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Shayla Sh'inlux
Gallente The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2006.12.05 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Father Weebles 425mm IIs going for 22mil in jita
I bought 100 @ 8mil when the Rokh was announced...
Time to unload probably.
Originally by: "Cy4n1d3"
You can't PVP with 4 mids.
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Vanesa Garcia
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.12.05 10:40:00 -
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Eve is elite game which run by cartels. Always been and always will be. Don't like? Go play WoW and kiss the goblin a$$. Some of you complain that you don't have t2 BPO or can't afford T2 equipment, but nobody feel sorry for you, so STFU.
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Zirator
Times of Ancar THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2006.12.05 11:31:00 -
[183]
When can we expect Hammer to release his T2 blog?
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:18:00 -
[184]
Ooh good, I missed out on 3 bpo offers over the summer cause i was on holiday.
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Ramblin Man
Empyreum
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra Ooh good, I missed out on 3 bpo offers over the summer cause i was on holiday.
Ssh! This would be the point where Mr. Murphy takes notice and gives you no BPOs for Christmas.
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NIkis
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Posted - 2006.12.05 13:46:00 -
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The lottery is certainly screwed so it needs to be changed
I could've trained up some r&d agents but never bothered to, because chance to get a BPO nowadays (with current system) is slim to none
Also if you look from the other side of the problem .. a player wants to be a builder, why not have his chance to build T2 stuff too ? The freedom of choice is impaired here if he cannot get T2 BPOs at some point because lottery is empty / others have monopoly on production.
So ... first step would be a) to stop seeding isk-printing machines, and instead seed limited-run BPCs (not gimped by resource or time cost as the invention does at the moment) or b) seed them regularly (when an agent is depleted, reseed him). That in the end (given time) would be equivalent to seeding them to NPC market, but with a bit more involvement of players r&d-wise.
Think devs are scared to reply here ? :)
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.05 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: NIkis
Think devs are scared to reply here ? :)
I think the Devs have too much brains than to reply here. Wait for Hammers blogs to clarify the position. --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE |
Mysterious Stranger
Caldari Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.12.05 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: NIkis The lottery is certainly screwed so it needs to be changed
I could've trained up some r&d agents but never bothered to, because chance to get a BPO nowadays (with current system) is slim to none
Also if you look from the other side of the problem .. a player wants to be a builder, why not have his chance to build T2 stuff too ? The freedom of choice is impaired here if he cannot get T2 BPOs at some point because lottery is empty / others have monopoly on production.
So ... first step would be a) to stop seeding isk-printing machines, and instead seed limited-run BPCs (not gimped by resource or time cost as the invention does at the moment) or b) seed them regularly (when an agent is depleted, reseed him). That in the end (given time) would be equivalent to seeding them to NPC market, but with a bit more involvement of players r&d-wise.
Think devs are scared to reply here ? :)
Invention is basically what you have already described. And you use RP's from agents to buy the datacores to conduct the research.
It's probably the fairest system to be introduced at this time as it offers a chance for players to get involved in T2 development in a fair way based on the existing game mechanics and rules.
Originally by: Sharkbait please for the love of god read the dam stickies
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.05 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hammer I've been meaning to write a big blog about all of this stuff but with the patch coming out everything has been so hectic I haven't made the time. We are going to seed more tech 2 stuff to the lottery, heck maybe more of EVERYTHING that's been will be in there. Seeing as how the number of pilots researching and using that stuff has tripled since the lottery started it seems like we could use some more blueprint originals out there. Anyway, looks for a big blog from me Soon TM.
Any updates about the blog?
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2006.12.05 16:08:00 -
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I think they will post blogs here from now on.
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Fren Mallow
Gallente Bluestar Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.12.05 16:24:00 -
[191]
Edited by: Fren Mallow on 05/12/2006 16:45:57
Originally by: Vanesa Garcia Eve is elite game which run by cartels. Always been and always will be.
Erm.. What is good on that, if you're right?
Olygopolies, Cartells, Monopolies are in 99% of the cases a bad thing for the majority.. as the holders of those constructions earn way more for their "product" as it would be worth in a (real) competitor scenario.
However.. you brought no arguments, just the ususal "we're affraid of a change".. which implies you're a member of one of those constructions.
Originally by: Vanesa Garcia Don't like? Go play WoW and kiss the goblin a$$. Some of you complain that you don't have t2 BPO or can't afford T2 equipment, but nobody feel sorry for you, so STFU.
And this is even worse.. it's just plain stupid to post such comments, cause they make you look like a fool, who's only argument is a rant (and possibly some arguments told by a fist).
Cheers
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2006.12.05 16:40:00 -
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Well they haven't been seeded yet after this new patch
Explanation CCP ?
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Ina Cyno
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Posted - 2006.12.05 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra Well they haven't been seeded yet after this new patch
Explanation CCP ?
The explanation is they don't care. Every week the number of subscribers is going up, which can only mean everyone is happy. Why should they care if a few people are unhappy like us with the current t2 situation, most subscribers aren't even aware that there are any problems. Vocal minority and all that.
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Malena
Perpetual Dawn
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Posted - 2006.12.05 16:52:00 -
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my guess is that CCP is going to wait and see just how invention pans out. We all know that the theory behind something something is one thing, but the implementation is another entirely.
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Krysalis Sal
Betesta
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Posted - 2006.12.05 17:10:00 -
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Awww.. I also was looking "sooo" forward for this.. alas checked them all & nada.
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.05 17:12:00 -
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Edited by: Aramendel on 05/12/2006 17:12:08
Originally by: Malena my guess is that CCP is going to wait and see just how invention pans out. We all know that the theory behind something something is one thing, but the implementation is another entirely.
Very unlikey, considering pretty much everyone who has seen this thread & has RPs will stay the HELL away from invention till they have seeded the new t2 BPOs.
Most likely all the business with the post kali patch and issues has prolly delayed that for a week or two. Hammer hasn't posted his blog about it either yet.
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Splagada
Minmatar Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2006.12.05 17:14:00 -
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had a Cerb bpo this morning!!
Then i woke up and realized it was a dream
NADA! damn R&D agents, they are as inefficient as the R&D in my company :p
at least those are realistic ------
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Ramblin Man
Empyreum
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Posted - 2006.12.05 17:21:00 -
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*laughs* Oh, the irony of rabbling about a lack of instant gratification (i.e. prints seeded today) from the lottery system.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.05 17:25:00 -
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Quite frankly, I can't see the monopolies breaking with a re-seed. Average player will get a bpo, average player will rejoice, advertise a bid, and the folks who got blindingly rich off of their current tech II bpos will buy 'em up at a rediculous price.
And believe it or not, this is a good thing...because 'average player' ain't gonna have the means to efficiently produce and distribute tech II ships at a rate that can feed the current demand.
So the rich will remain rich...but the overall hope (in my case, anyway) is that with increased production capacity with the new blueprints, tech II ships will become more widely available and probably at a better price.
So, yeah, I suppose a re-seed will be good...but to all the haters of current tech II bpo holders, don't delude yourselves into thinking that a re-seed will change the current distribution of wealth one little bit.
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T'savong Lah
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.05 17:35:00 -
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Edited by: T''savong Lah on 05/12/2006 17:38:48 If the lottery does work as intended *lol* then re-seeding the T2 BPOs should help drive the price of T2 goods down. Assuming that the influx of all the new bpos will drive component prices up, the cost of manufacturing these goods will obviously increase, except in cases where a corporation has a network that provides them with all the components in-house [ie. they produce everything themselves from start to finish]. Although the cost of these goods is going to rise, with the release of all the new BPs, supply of T2 mods such as HACs will increase. Assuming that some portion of the HAC BPOs remain out of the hands of the current T2 kingpins, the extra supply should help ease some of the demand for the uber expensive HACs such as Vagabonds and Cerbs [economics 101 - supply goes up, demand goes down, price follows demand]. Since everybody will want to sell their product, price slashing should ensue, and thus we have cheaper T2 goods.
As Garrack said though, the current T2 BP holders will want to buy these new BPOs at ridiculously high prices in order to maintain dominance in the T2 market. So, in order to effectively break the monopoly, new players in the T2 market have to be introduced - the recipients of the new BPs have to produce them, and introduce competition to the current T2 holders.
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Ramblin Man
Empyreum
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Posted - 2006.12.05 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: T'savong Lah ... with the release of all the new BPs, supply of T2 mods such as HACs will increase. Assuming that some portion of the HAC BPOs remain out of the hands of the current T2 kingpins, the extra supply should help ease some of the demand for the uber expensive HACs such as Vagabonds and Cerbs [economics 101 - supply goes up, demand goes down, price follows demand].
I wouldn't expect HAC prices to budge too much. Imo, there's a *lot* of demand that's going to have to be soaked up before prices drop (inow, people who are now using Stabbers/Nanophoons/Whatever instead of Vagas, who will switch to purchasing Vagas long before the price begins to approach "cheap").
The real result will probably come of whether or not HAC BPO owners spend the war chests on a successful price-fixing campaign or focus on acquiring addition prints (either HAC or otherwise). There's arguments for either, but who knows - HAC prints might not even be reseeded.
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Genericforumalt
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2006.12.05 21:52:00 -
[202]
CCP, where are the T2 bpo seeds, Your breaking my heeaaarrrtTTtttt.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.12.05 22:19:00 -
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If I get a decent BPO Im not selling it for any price. I doubt Im alone. I think mot players with a few years under their belt will do the same.
Even if I just sell copies and produce very few actual ships Im keep the original. Of course its hard to imagine Ill actually win one, but Im hoping.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Gamer4liff
Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2006.12.05 23:05:00 -
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As the above poster I wouldn't part with my t2 bpo on principal. But anyway I am pretty disappointed by this, but I'm sure CCP has some reason for it. Even if it wasn't very nice of them to go back on their word without giving us the reasons.
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Risien Drogonne
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Posted - 2006.12.05 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Martinez
5. FOR THE PEOPLE THAT SAY T2 MAKERS GET FREE MONEY, YOU ARE IDIOTS IF YOU THINK THAT. i would say 75% of t2 bpos make little to no profit. yes there are some bpos out there that make huge profit, a few hacs and a few mods. i know that the Damnation, Propator, and Purifier make NO money. the time and effort it takes to make them just makes them not worth producing.
I'll take all those "unprofitable" T2 BPOs off your hands. I mean, why would you want them if they're so useless? Just escrow them to me, please.
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Edison Frisk
Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.06 01:15:00 -
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I would imagine the delay is because of the recent patch and server issues, I would rather them work on that than seed more BPO's tbh, I can wait a 'little' longer
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Edison Frisk
Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.06 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Risien Drogonne
Originally by: Martinez
5. FOR THE PEOPLE THAT SAY T2 MAKERS GET FREE MONEY, YOU ARE IDIOTS IF YOU THINK THAT. i would say 75% of t2 bpos make little to no profit. yes there are some bpos out there that make huge profit, a few hacs and a few mods. i know that the Damnation, Propator, and Purifier make NO money. the time and effort it takes to make them just makes them not worth producing.
I'll take all those "unprofitable" T2 BPOs off your hands. I mean, why would you want them if they're so useless? Just escrow them to me, please.
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Lil Belle
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Posted - 2006.12.06 01:58:00 -
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When are these new bpos gonna be seeded?
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Sessho Seki
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Posted - 2006.12.06 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Lil Belle When are these new bpos gonna be seeded?
Soon ™
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Gamer4liff
Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2006.12.06 02:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lil Belle When are these new bpos gonna be seeded?
Probably tomorrow, I recall something like this happening before actually.
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