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kieron
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Posted - 2006.12.01 16:09:00 -
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As mentioned in this Announcement, Tranquility will undergo an extended downtime on Tuesday, 5 December from 1100 to 1500 GMT. During this time, a patch will be applied to Revelations including a number of fixes and improvements necessary after its initial deployment.
A new version of Patch Notes will be available later this evening. Some updates will be made to the notes over the weekend as more fixes and improvements check through the QA process, these updates will be highlighted in green text. Notification of updates will be made in this post and in the Announcement.
You are encouraged to read the Revelations Patch Notes for the list of changes and improvements already in place.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online |
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Roshan longshot
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
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Posted - 2006.12.01 17:23:00 -
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Yeah I know I am a pest, but I cant help but think of the 8 hours I spent downloading a faulty patch.
I rather have every Tuesday patch day with small 5-10mb patches, then have 65mb+ patch that has bugs.
How hard would it be to work in one aspect of the expansion at a time?
Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter pirate or mixture of them all.
[i]As read from the original box.
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Dal Riata
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2006.12.01 17:27:00 -
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Holy cow, it took you 8 hours to get the patch? That's almost criminal. Someone should pod your ISP :)
When the servers came up, it took me maybe 15 minutes to download, install and get in the game.
"Getting podded is educational" - Pandaron, from eve-pirate.com |
Jelosavich
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Posted - 2006.12.01 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: Jelosavich on 01/12/2006 17:37:36
 Originally by: Roshan longshot
Yeah I know I am a pest, but I cant help but think of the 8 hours I spent downloading a faulty patch.
I rather have every Tuesday patch day with small 5-10mb patches, then have 65mb+ patch that has bugs.
How hard would it be to work in one aspect of the expansion at a time?
Every patch has bugs, most of the other patches are to fix bugs that haven't been found yet. With a large expansion like this, it's just easier to find a lot of bugs quickly.
Also, is there any plan to fix the jump clone bug about your clone disappearing when you jump to the same station? I had heard that it was fixed but I can't find anything that says that.
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Dumus
Silver Service
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Posted - 2006.12.01 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Dal Riata
Holy cow, it took you 8 hours to get the patch? That's almost criminal. Someone should pod your ISP :)
When the servers came up, it took me maybe 15 minutes to download, install and get in the game.
LOL someone should go round a nos your ISP :P
-Dumus-
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Vancali
Minmatar
Alpha Technologies LTD
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Posted - 2006.12.01 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Roshan longshot
Yeah I know I am a pest, but I cant help but think of the 8 hours I spent downloading a faulty patch.
I rather have every Tuesday patch day with small 5-10mb patches, then have 65mb+ patch that has bugs.
How hard would it be to work in one aspect of the expansion at a time?
Psst...it's supposed to be like getting an expansion in other games. Get all this new stuff at once. Makes you feel like you purchased a new game. I'm sorry your connection is from the stone age, but this is the 21st century...
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DragonSquid
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Posted - 2006.12.01 18:12:00 -
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Is this patch going to fix the problem with users with alot of bookmarks unable to delete them?
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Kurdain
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Posted - 2006.12.01 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: Kurdain on 01/12/2006 18:46:09
Hopefully this will take care of the insanely high number of empty wrecks.
In a mission last night I got loot out of 4 wrecks, out of around 25 ships destroyed. I guess I might not care as much when I am able to fit a salvage module, but for those that can't, for whatever reason, it's very annoying to tractor in empty wreck after empty wreck. Not to mention a huge waste of time.
Color them different, or something, or make ship that will drop an empty wreck not drop anything, I dunno.
Also on the Hyperion, the armor repair bonus does NOT state it is cumulative per level. I know it most likely is, but I think the wording should be redone to be clear and consistent with the other ships descriptions.
Thanks!
Oh, I had a bunch of bookmarks, probably not near what some people have but I was easily able to delete them 1 folder at a time, have you tried deleting them in small bunches?
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Alaris
Caldari
Murder of Crows
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.12.01 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kurdain
Oh, I had a bunch of bookmarks, probably not near what some people have but I was easily able to delete them 1 folder at a time, have you tried deleting them in small bunches?
Not the same issue. Those of us with A LOT of bookmarks are unable to open any tab of People and Places at all. No amount of waiting till cause it to open. Side effect of this is it also takes us about 10-20 minutes to login.
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JFxSummoner
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Posted - 2006.12.01 19:00:00 -
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cant edit corp description can only delete text but not add any.
scanner doesnt detect asteroids and or npc ships ( this cant be right can it )
anyway overall smoothe deployment for revelations nice job CCP
JFxSummoner
P.S. *reminds* Tux about a 6th turret and grid for the ferox  
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Dixch Roblos
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Posted - 2006.12.01 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Roshan longshot
Yeah I know I am a pest, but I cant help but think of the 8 hours I spent downloading a faulty patch.
I rather have every Tuesday patch day with small 5-10mb patches, then have 65mb+ patch that has bugs.
How hard would it be to work in one aspect of the expansion at a time?
Dang man thats a long download time. u should get that fixed before u get mad at ingame bugs. Also these patches arnt just for glitches and errors. they will also be changing game mechanics, like reducing required skills for salvaging (if the rumors are true). and hopefully unerfing drop cans and unnerfing heavy assault missiles range at least. 
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Aron Palatine
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Posted - 2006.12.01 19:19:00 -
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I hope they don't reduce the reqs on Salvaging.
I've spent almost 2 days on the lvl 5 req for it and I don't think that's quite fair...
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Jelosavich
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Posted - 2006.12.01 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Aron Palatine
I hope they don't reduce the reqs on Salvaging.
I've spent almost 2 days on the lvl 5 req for it and I don't think that's quite fair...
I've spent a lot more time than that getting all the basic learning skills to level 5 so i could get the advanced, but they still changed the reqs to level 4. I'm not complaining.
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Sindrin
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Posted - 2006.12.01 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Alaris
Originally by: Kurdain
Oh, I had a bunch of bookmarks, probably not near what some people have but I was easily able to delete them 1 folder at a time, have you tried deleting them in small bunches?
Not the same issue. Those of us with A LOT of bookmarks are unable to open any tab of People and Places at all. No amount of waiting till cause it to open. Side effect of this is it also takes us about 10-20 minutes to login.
Did you not read the info before the patch - it did say delete bookmarks and log in time will improve. Your own fault.
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Laendra
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Posted - 2006.12.01 19:52:00 -
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One thing I noticed, while testing POSes on the test server, was with Gallente POSes, the silos are kind of fubar (shock).
For instance...although you can put 40k m¦ into the silo, it still shows as 20k capacity. When you try to drag and drop additional materials of from a stack of materials that is greater than capacity, it just doesn't allow you to do so...it tells you there is not enough room, and doesn't allow you to split the stack.
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Fark
Gallente
Soul Collectors
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2006.12.01 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Roshan longshot
Yeah I know I am a pest, but I cant help but think of the 8 hours I spent downloading a faulty patch.
Took me a Minute literally.
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Nelix Trist
Caldari
Nostromo Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.01 20:07:00 -
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I dont mean to ask, but? IS this the patch that will also include the Voice Com's system? Or will that be in another patch?
Thanks.
Emm?"Cant touch this" den der der dum, der dum der dum KILLING THE BUG'S, BEFORE THEY KILL YOU
Un-nerfing you sig is bad mmmmkay - Xorus
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DHU InMe
Gallente
JUSTICE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.01 20:16:00 -
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Edited by: DHU InMe on 01/12/2006 20:20:27
Originally by: Roshan longshot
Yeah I know I am a pest, but I cant help but think of the 8 hours I spent downloading a faulty patch.
I rather have every Tuesday patch day with small 5-10mb patches, then have 65mb+ patch that has bugs.
How hard would it be to work in one aspect of the expansion at a time?
Make a complexe program for 500 users with 20-30 TI people. After that, maybe you'll have an hint of comparaison with the complexity of eve-online and having a team of 100-150 people with 300-400 ISD under it.
Originally by: Nelix Trist
I dont mean to ask, but? IS this the patch that will also include the Voice Com's system? Or will that be in another patch?
Thanks.
Hey body, you think they could do it in one week ? 
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Raquel Smith
Caldari
Ferengi Commerce Authority
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Posted - 2006.12.01 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
As mentioned in this Announcement, Tranquility will undergo an extended downtime on Tuesday, 5 December from 1100 to 1500 GMT. During this time, a patch will be applied to Revelations including a number of fixes and improvements necessary after its initial deployment.
A new version of Patch Notes will be available later this evening. Some updates will be made to the notes over the weekend as more fixes and improvements check through the QA process, these updates will be highlighted in green text. Notification of updates will be made in this post and in the Announcement.
You are encouraged to read the Revelations Patch Notes for the list of changes and improvements already in place.
Any chance to use a different colour text for changes?
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Draconia Blackheart
Disciples of the Underverse
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Posted - 2006.12.01 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Draconia Blackheart on 01/12/2006 21:10:08
Originally by: Roshan longshot
Yeah I know I am a pest, but I cant help but think of the 8 hours I spent downloading a faulty patch.
Spadonkles! It only took me 27 minutes and I thought my connection sucks,and the patch loaded up first time with no worries. I feel for ya...
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Kiley Skywalker
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Posted - 2006.12.01 21:11:00 -
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I would like to voice my opinion as well about the empty wrecks. I think it would work well that when a ship is destroyed it leaves behind a wreck, but if there is loot, then have it drop a cargo can just like it used to. That way, you can simply remove the wrecks from your overview and it will be just like it was before.
It's a huge waste of time and a big source of frustration to sit there for 20 minutes hauling in all the wrecks on your lvl 4 mission to check them for loot only to find out that half of them are empty.
Also, concerning contracts... I think that there should be some kind of sorting feature. I can't find a single BPC without scrolling through everything and stumbling across it with luck.
Thanks for all that you do CCP! YOU ROCK and can't even be compared to other producers of online games. You easily top them all.
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Chruker
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Posted - 2006.12.01 21:44:00 -
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kieron, you should have set this thread to be readonly.
People, this thread is the wrong one to add your issues to. The official feedback thread is this one: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=432589
Now USE IT!
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DragonSquid
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Posted - 2006.12.01 21:44:00 -
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Edited by: DragonSquid on 01/12/2006 22:23:49
Quote "Did you not read the info before the patch - it did say delete bookmarks and log in time will improve. Your own fault."
Congrats on a totally useless post.
Do you feel like a man now?
The blank people and places window, on all tabs, is not our fault as we did not make the patch or game.
Next time you feel like flaming, think before posting.
DragonSquid
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Berand
AWE Corporation
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.01 21:56:00 -
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Re: Wrecks
I think the wreck problem would be solved if you just made "wrecks with loot" and "wrecks that are empty" a different object on the overview. Then we could just remove "empty wrecks" using the filter, unless you intentionally wanted to see them for salvage purposes.
That way the wrecks would just disappear off the overview as they were cleaned out. No more clutter :)
"There are no atheists in shuttles" isn't an argument against atheism, it's an argument against shuttles. |
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.12.01 22:48:00 -
[25]
Please note: The patch notes are not complete. Additions will be made to the notes throughout the weekend as more fixes, changes and improvements are added to the patch.
Vivox integration into the client is not slated for this patch. That should occur later in December.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online |
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Diana Foster
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Posted - 2006.12.01 23:18:00 -
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pls resolve killmail bug o/
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Hex'Caliber
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.01 23:40:00 -
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Please tell me that the Lachesis not getting a bonus to heavy assault missile's was an over sight that it is getting corrected. Otherwise, it's current missile bonuses are a little messed up, Heavy missile and light assault missile rof bonus, when other ships that had a heavy bonus also now get a bonus for heavy assault. I would rather see the light assault bonus dropped and replaced with the heavy assault and would imagine many other would too as it is a cruiser sized weapon.
SISI testing ôDonÆt forget to start the log server before the client; the logs are needed for bug reports when something goes wrong.ö
Regards HexCaliber
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Victor Valka
Caldari
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.01 23:47:00 -
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You better headshot the damn newbie who's flashbanging everyone! >_<
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SentryRaven
Chaos Faction
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Posted - 2006.12.01 23:49:00 -
[29]
Add corp 2 alliance standings :)
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DragonSquid
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Posted - 2006.12.01 23:51:00 -
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Drones will not kill wrecks from ships that you kill.
they appear to be randomly able to kill other players wrecks.
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TorTorden
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.01 23:53:00 -
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Edited by: TorTorden on 01/12/2006 23:54:27
Could we get a small heads up as to the status of a possible fix for the dual core crashes or the possibly audio related crash on undock, system change, since these are two issues that pretty much can render the game unplayable for a lot of subscribers.
Hoping you can fix EVE, since in it's current state on TQ there realy isnt much point in logging in. 
In advance, Thank you.
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Chronus26
Gallente
Dark Blood Contracts
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Posted - 2006.12.01 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: DragonSquid
Drones will not kill wrecks from ships that you kill.
they appear to be randomly able to kill other players wrecks.
This is actually an intended feature, Wrecks that you killed are considered as your property, and the patch notes for Revalations state a fix that prevents drones from attacking their owners property. Intended, but not exactly helpful.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2006.12.01 23:54:00 -
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Thanks for this part especially:
Quote:
# The scan strength of drones has been increased to 7.5 for ligth drones, 12.5 for medium and 22.5 for heavy. This only affects for probe scanning as they can not be target jammed.
# Backup arrays now give a bonus to the sensor type listed in their description. Tech 2 versions now give a 48% bonus.
I'm guessing ECCM and backup arrays are going to become really common on lowsec mission setups. :)
Good move, and puts the ball in the mission runner's court. Whether it achieves the right balance I don't know. But I guess we'll see.
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Fren Mallow
Gallente
Bluestar Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.12.01 23:57:00 -
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Edited by: Fren Mallow on 01/12/2006 23:59:44
unadressed by this hotfix by now:
- map flattended doesn't keep it flattended when map gets closed and reopened, although the flatten/unflatten button stays flattened
- allready waiting times for research-slots aren't listet in decreasing/increasing order when one-digit/two-digit day numbers are in play
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ZaKma
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.12.02 00:02:00 -
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Quote:
* All player owned and item bookmarks within a 25km radius of a station or stargate will be deleted, including itemized Instajump bookmarks. Loading time for players with a large number of bookmarks should decrease drastically.
I thought this was supposed to take a month of downtime? What changed?
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Fergus Runkle
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Posted - 2006.12.02 00:05:00 -
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Please please re-enable the corp standing adjustment at downtime.
Its now four days with frozen standings, people had plans in place.
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Das Hoff
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Posted - 2006.12.02 00:19:00 -
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Please ensure that we can differentiate between wrecks that have been looted and those that haven't yet been looted. |
Hoshi
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.02 00:30:00 -
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What about the Recon Probe Launcher I, is that comming in this patch?
The drone changes looks good btw, having drones with 3 times the signal size of a BS was a bit unbalanced.
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Natasha Starlight
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Posted - 2006.12.02 00:34:00 -
[39]
Kieron, there are still a group of people who cannot even log into the game. The client dies before we get a chance to. Any news on a possible fix/workaround?
Thanks for your patience.
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ChevChellios
Gallente
The Renegade Order
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Posted - 2006.12.02 01:38:00 -
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It would be nice to jump through a gate and not have the camera always reset to close up. For those of us who like to play with a little zoom out view.
That and the white flash at jump makes my eyes hurt. Maybe I just need shades
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Buck Starchaser
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Posted - 2006.12.02 02:00:00 -
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most of the missions don't have any salvage in the wreck ... salvaged selveral missions and no parts in any of them... waited for a buddy to get in system for mission and salvaged a coupple parts out of an astroid belt but again the mission wrecks were dry... here's a list of mission salvage results that I don't know how I got:
2006.12.01 02:35
1. Zazzmattaz lvl 4 - no salvage
2. Mordus Headhunters lvl 4 - no salvage
3. Duo of death (guristas) - no salvage
4. Militairy Presence (Bloodraiders) - some salvage \o/
5. Guristas Extravaganza lvl 3 - some salvage
6. Stop the Thief lvl 4 - no salvage
7. Pirate Invasion (Angels) - decent amount of salvage
8. Duo of Death (Angels) - Salvage from the battleships
9. The Assault - some salvage
10.The Blockade lvl 3 - 20-25 parts
11.The Score lvl 4 - around 40 parts
12.Massive Attack lvl 3 - 16 parts
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violator2k5
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.02 02:21:00 -
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people and places is my main concern as ive not deleted my bms yet and would like to do so.
in adition i would like to see some changes made to the current contract system......
1) the ability to scan the whole of eve as once before
2) the ability to scan for a written item inputted by a player
3) the ability to actually buy a item off contracts without having to go to the region that they are in.
couldnt really care less about the other issues tbh, those are my main concerns at the moment
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Securus
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.02 02:21:00 -
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I have no desire to make you repeat yourself, but...
I'm one of those that didn't delete his BMs.
Why?
Because I'm a horrible, paranoid, unhelpful person who has no desire to get rid of something just because there's a new feature.
Now, if you are going to delete all insta bookmarks, including any inside cargo containers, and I have no way whatsoever to avoid it, then I will delete them, simply to save myself, and apparently CCP's, time. What I would really appreciate is a flat response saying yes/no they will be deleted, rather than just what I infer from various threads and patch notes.
Originally by: Tuxford
Hi I'm the friendly content developer Tuxford.
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Pellaeon DuGalle
Caldari
Deep Black Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.02 02:43:00 -
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To be honest, I'm a little dissappointed that my insta-dock BMs will be deleted. Not that I need them to insta-dock anymore, but they were a great navigational tool.
Before I didn't need to think which station to dock at because my BMs would automatically get me to my home station. Now I'll have to sort through and memorise a whole bunch of stations throughout empire. That, and its mildly annoying to sort through 10 stations on my overview trying to find my one.
Oh well, I'm just lazy. My first whine ever! =)
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Frug
Caldari
Tim Hortons Donuts
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Posted - 2006.12.02 02:52:00 -
[45]
Pallaeon, I think you can still bookmark the station itself. You just can't bookmark a can right next to it.
Quote:
Some VERY diligent griefers were able to exercise considerable effort with no gain to spoil the new player experience for new players. This has been resolved.
What's this all about?
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Fredou
Gallente
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2006.12.02 03:00:00 -
[46]
nice
Corporations and Alliances
* Corporations can now set their Tax rate anywhere between 0.0% and 100.0%
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Don't forget to check my current Escrow!
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Gen M
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Posted - 2006.12.02 03:14:00 -
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Only one major complaint. The old escrow worked great. I could glance it in 5 minutes and buy stuff from it. This new contract system is ok but way too cumbersome to use. I do not want to search stuff in escrow. I wanna see what is in it in all regions and buy rare stuff. Most of the time I do not know what do I want - I just browse for opportunities. The contract one is horrible. If you wanna browse you need hours to go thropugh various regions. This will make all sellers converge to Jita again and we all know how fun is being there on a Sunday.
Gen Eve
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ccasdfse
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Posted - 2006.12.02 03:15:00 -
[48]
<---would love to even log into the game and try it out.
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spyrule
Hammer And Fist
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Posted - 2006.12.02 03:21:00 -
[49]
How about the corporate logo colors get fixed. If you choose the top two colors(left), or the bottom last two colors(right), the chosen shape on the left is erased, and all you get is a color hue. This has screwed up A LOT of corporate logo's that exist out there.
if you go to www.hammerandfist.com you'll see my actual coporate logo BEFORE revelations. however if you look me up in eve "spyrule" and look at my corporate logo, you'll see how it has changed. Despite me not having made any changes to the logo myself (revelations bug). could this get fixed? stupid bug, but our corporate logo's do actually help to identify friend/foe when looking at other players.
thanks.
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Matrix Aran
Legio Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.12.02 04:04:00 -
[50]
Under known issues I was wondering what this line refers to: "The wormhole graphic isn't particularly great"
Also there is no mention in the patch notes of the anticipated color change to wreks if they have been looted or not.
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SonOTassadar
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.02 06:54:00 -
[51]
Quote:
Some VERY diligent griefers were able to exercise considerable effort with no gain to spoil the new player experience for new players. This has been resolved.
What were/are griefers doing?
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Merrick Solipsus
Flashman Services
Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.02 07:34:00 -
[52]
Since the problem hasnt been fixed yet they wont say.
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CF ProctoR
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Posted - 2006.12.02 07:40:00 -
[53]
Thanks for making me waste about 6 days time training to survey lvl5 guys. thats really sweet  I suggest you pay me a rokh as compensation 
And I hope you do something about the fps drop that alot of people got. else it can hardly be called "improving" the game experience
Thats was my 5 cents worth of whine
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Nahia Senne
Fortunis Novum
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Posted - 2006.12.02 08:38:00 -
[54]
can we get the old minimap as a part of the directional scanning tab?
Make ECCM viable! Give it 25% to scanning resolution! |
Whoe
Gallente
Dark Nebula Gallente Division
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Posted - 2006.12.02 08:49:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Gen M
Only one major complaint. The old escrow worked great. I could glance it in 5 minutes and buy stuff from it. This new contract system is ok but way too cumbersome to use. I do not want to search stuff in escrow. I wanna see what is in it in all regions and buy rare stuff. Most of the time I do not know what do I want - I just browse for opportunities. The contract one is horrible. If you wanna browse you need hours to go thropugh various regions. This will make all sellers converge to Jita again and we all know how fun is being there on a Sunday.
Gen Eve
exactly...
I can see the idea behind it but in practice well there are things I can't figure out with private contracts yet, like how to find them to claim them..
and you can remote search which is all well and good but if you have to fly to the region to get a good deal it'll be gone before you get there.
as well It takes away the impulse buy. I have billions in things I've bought but will probably never use. the skill is an easy train, would have been better to have it available before the patch :(
love the warp to 0 but on stations it's not always on the mark and in 0.0 it can be off enough that it could cause problems
but it saves so much time in bm management I can well live with that:)
it's at times like these I am glad I have mature chr's sp wise to be able to jump right on to the new skills, I'd hate to be starting over with a new chr just starting the game...I see so many new peeps trying to get into ships they're not ready for.
Been playing since week one and still going like the patch but the escrow --> contract system is in need of work...I hope on the Dec. 5th patch
Whoe
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TorTorden
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.02 08:49:00 -
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Edited by: TorTorden on 02/12/2006 08:53:40
Originally by: Pellaeon DuGalle
To be honest, I'm a little dissappointed that my insta-dock BMs will be deleted. Not that I need them to insta-dock anymore, but they were a great navigational tool.
Before I didn't need to think which station to dock at because my BMs would automatically get me to my home station. Now I'll have to sort through and memorise a whole bunch of stations throughout empire. That, and its mildly annoying to sort through 10 stations on my overview trying to find my one.
Oh well, I'm just lazy. My first whine ever! =)
Being one of the guys who has deleted a lot of his BM's (I waited until seeing and using the 0km warp on TQ though), as for stations I just bookmark the actuall station instead of making an instadock.
Still hoping they can make the game playable for me and quite a few others....
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Posted - 2006.12.02 09:20:00 -
[57]
Thank you for these added fixes. I have one thing to add:
Is it possible to do something about the big white flash on the screen that many players get at most of their gate-jumps? It leads to a headache over time when you chain courier missions, and it is just flat out annoying.
If it is something in our graphics setup we need to change, please advice on it. I use a Nvidia GeForce 6600 GT.
Thank you in advance.
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Miklas Laces
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
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Posted - 2006.12.02 09:24:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Nahia Senne
can we get the old minimap as a part of the directional scanning tab?
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blacknight9
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.02 09:31:00 -
[59]
I want to suggest changing for the description on assault missiles skill. At the moment it has the same description of heavy missiles skill.
Heavy Assault Missiles -> Skill with heavy missiles. Special: 5% bonus to heavy missile damage per skill level.
Heavy Missiles -> Skill with heavy missiles. Special: 5% bonus to heavy missile damage per skill level.
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Azrael Maxim
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.02 11:17:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Azrael Maxim on 02/12/2006 11:17:26
No easy sorting of contracts yet ?
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D3us ExMachina
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Posted - 2006.12.02 11:24:00 -
[61]
Need I stress that colour coding wrecks after one has checked them will NOT be enough?
*Previously about ~20% of the rats dropped cans, all of the cans had loot, after the cans where looted the can blew up, the window with the cans content closed when the can blew up.
*Now all rats drop "cans" known as wrecks, all wrecks a have ~20% chance of loot, wrecks don't blow up after they have been looted, the window with the wrecks content does not close on its own.
1. We should have a colour coding system for the wrecks. One colour for the empty ones and another for the wrecks with loot. The wrecks should be colour coded AS SOON AS THEY SPAWN! And NOT after one has INDIVIDUALLY CHECKED THEM!
2. There should be an option in the overview to remove the empty wrecks.
3. The wrecks loot window should close on its own after the content has been removed.
It's painful to collect the loot now, annoying ... but also removing the fun factor out of mission running...
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Roshan longshot
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
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Posted - 2006.12.02 11:28:00 -
[62]
Ok I know I am a pest, but still I rather have seen several patches at 5-10mb then one huge patch with all these bugs.
I wasted 8 hours downloading, and now here comes another one. Oh well...such is life I guess.
Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter pirate or mixture of them all.
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MMXMMX
Caldari
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.12.02 11:38:00 -
[63]
Lots off ship modules ar not working in the system SAILA .
Its only in that System .
It makes doing a simple mission 2 hours .
Relogging is not helping and gets u in a log in queue of 68 .
That takes 30 min .
Most of the time the system have someting like 120 people in local .
Thats not to bad ?
Even Jita with 700+ in local is working beter .
Please fix it .
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Nemon v3
Dark and Light inc.
D-L
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Posted - 2006.12.02 11:51:00 -
[64]
Thank you ccp for next very important feature.
"Corporations can now set their Tax rate anywhere between 0.0% and 100.0%"
This will help alot to our operations, and stop wasting time on payments.
THanks alot.
N.
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lpha centurion
Confrerie des ombres
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Posted - 2006.12.02 12:12:00 -
[65]
Quote:
1. We should have a colour coding system for the wrecks. One colour for the empty ones and another for the wrecks with loot. The wrecks should be colour coded AS SOON AS THEY SPAWN! And NOT after one has INDIVIDUALLY CHECKED THEM!
2. There should be an option in the overview to remove the empty wrecks.
/signed
That will be a gain of time for simple mission runners 
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Shemar
Gallente
Photesthetics
Glamour Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.02 12:17:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Roshan longshot
Ok I know I am a pest, but still I rather have seen several patches at 5-10mb then one huge patch with all these bugs.
I wasted 8 hours downloading, and now here comes another one. Oh well...such is life I guess.
And deny CCP their publicity stunts? Yeah right
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.12.02 12:27:00 -
[67]
Simply making wrecks with loot and empty wrecks seperate overview items will solve the problem best. Then add an autoclose to the loot window, e voila, everything is almost like it used to be.
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Komado
Gallente
Free Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.02 12:31:00 -
[68]
It seems that CEO can't view assets in corp hangar remotely, only 2 first items in hangar are shown.
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Qelen Seastrider
DarkSide Q Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.02 12:41:00 -
[69]
There are some 'issues' I'd like to see addressed in a future patch:
1) The Combat View no longer works. Oh, you can get a magnified image of the target and it's surroundings, but you no longer get a crosshair and the ability to target-lock the intended target.
2) I totally agree with ChevChellios about having to rezoom after every jump. It's a pain!
3) Why o WHY won't autopilot jump to 0km at gates??? All it's doing is FORCING people to do long runs manually. If you leave it to autopilot, you're exposed to rats for no reason at all.
4) I can understand why the tractor beam won't move ships. I can understand why it won't move roids. What completely baffles me is why it won't move unanchored secure cans that BELONG TO ME. This is just dumb.
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Shemar
Gallente
Photesthetics
Glamour Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.02 12:52:00 -
[70]
Does CCP plan to make drone commands ever working properly? It's bad enough that the drones ignore the ships at 5 km firing at me and opt to aggro the inactive ones 60 km away, but now I have to keep constantly repeating my orders, as apparently drones are 3 year old children that need to be told several times before obeying.
How hard is it to make the drones:
a. NEVER override a given command
b. NEVER fire on an inactive ship
Even a way to tell them to never auto-target anything under any circumstances and only attack assigned targets would be welcome at this point.
And of cource as a mission runner I would like to know if CCP plans to do anything about the multitude of ways missions can be ruined by hostiles/griefers due to their complete dumbing down of the scanning process and the uselessness of trying to loot if you don't want to salvage.
Frankly, I am disgusted by this latest implementation on EVE.
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BOKK Sticky
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Posted - 2006.12.02 13:32:00 -
[71]
What oh what don't people understand about timesinks?
Of course warp to 0 does not work with autopilot. The two working together would mean one could safely travel for long periods of time afk. If you wish to travel safely, then you should have to spend the time and effort to do such.
While we might not like or agree on all the timesinks put into Eve, I think we can all thank them on their unique skill system. It might be nice to see a similar skill system in any new game that CCP might come out with in the future (Hint, Hint ).
As to the new contract gui, it has killed escrow. No sorting by item, title, or price with it being spread out over multiple lines on multiple screens has made it into the biggest timesink in the game for anyone wishing to browse it. To be honest, the region by region would not be too bad if we still had a single-line user-controled sorted display we could view. I am no longer interested in purchasing over-priced toys since it now takes at least 10 times longer to do any browsing and I cannot be sure if I am getting the best deal without sorting.
Now the question I have that will never get answered is this. Was this change done by people that knew nothing about high-volume order processing screen design or was it done intentionally to use up more time? I believe the answer is a little of both.
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Freaky Bare
Minmatar
Blueprint Haus
Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.12.02 13:45:00 -
[72]
Please make empty wrecks and looted wrecks share the same color-code. There is essentially no difference between the 2. (This may already be the plan.)
Please make empty/looted wrecks something we can switch off in the overview.
I believe this would solve the annoyance/time wasting issues in a simple and efective manner.
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Tolomea
Gallente
5th Front enterprises
New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.12.02 13:56:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Whoe
I can see the idea behind it but in practice well there are things I can't figure out with private contracts yet, like how to find them to claim them..
It's in available contracts, view=me
You haven't issued it or accepted it so it's not in my contracts. It's private so it doesn't show under the station/system/region views.
And yes it's a lil non intuitive which is why theres a mail in our alliance mailbox explaining how to find it.
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Alassra Eventide
Veldspar Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.02 14:13:00 -
[74]
Quote:
In the character creation, the Caldari race could appear to be a better racial selection. Skill distributions have been adjusted for racial parity.
Ah! So it was the skills that made caldari appear to be a better racial selection.
It's all so clear now!
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D3us ExMachina
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Posted - 2006.12.02 14:27:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Freaky Bare
Please make empty wrecks and looted wrecks share the same color-code. There is essentially no difference between the 2. (This may already be the plan.)
Please make empty/looted wrecks something we can switch off in the overview.
I believe this would solve the annoyance/time wasting issues in a simple and efective manner.
Obviously, that's what I was suggesting a bit earlier, it's a huge time sink to loot wrecks, compared to the previous system. Yes, empty wrecks should have a different colour then the ones with loot and we should be able to switch them off in the ov. And yes, once looted, a wreck should become empty... colour coded as such and automatically removed from the ov. if the option is checked.
Or, bring back the cans for the loot, letting us ignore the wrecks altogether...
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vanBuskirk
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.02 14:52:00 -
[76]
This may sound like a minor issue/moan, but when is the out-of-game item and skill database going to be updated? Not only does the lack of an update mean that such tools as evemon and quickfit no longer work properly, but it makes it very difficult to find some items. My experience is with the heavy assault missile and heavy assault missile specialisation skills - no way, except guessing, of knowing where they might be found.
Also, why isn't the HAM skill available at all schools? All the other tech 1 missile skills are; why not this one?
The same applies to the HAM launcher and missile BPOs. I'm sure there are plenty of other examples, however. I just haven't looked for them yet.
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2006.12.02 16:32:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Qelen Seastrider
3) Why o WHY won't autopilot jump to 0km at gates??? All it's doing is FORCING people to do long runs manually. If you leave it to autopilot, you're exposed to rats for no reason at all.
Warp to zero replaces insta bookmarks in functionality. The auto-pilot couldn't use instas, so the auto-pilot will not use warp to zero either.
On another note, maybe CCP want people to PLAY the game, not autopilot it....
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2006.12.02 16:33:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Nahia Senne
can we get the old minimap as a part of the directional scanning tab?
Press F11
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Whiskey Girl
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:14:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Alassra Eventide
Quote:
In the character creation, the Caldari race could appear to be a better racial selection. Skill distributions have been adjusted for racial parity.
Ah! So it was the skills that made caldari appear to be a better racial selection.
It's all so clear now!
What do you mean appear ??
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SillyWaif
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:20:00 -
[80]
CCP, please take note of the previous posts related to wrecks. I got the message that 'something is going to be done about it' but previous suggestions will make my gameplay experience (as mission runner mostly) sooooooooo much better.
/me is getting frustrated with big time loss on checking for loot...
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sledg hammer
Caldari
Tripocalyptic Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:25:00 -
[81]
what is this with lowering of skills needed for a "mini profession" can we count on this for say everything that "requires" a level 5 skill to be lowered to leve 4 or 3 so that in a day you can be as good as a player a year older ? Professions take tiem to learn and with out taking time to learn it is no longer a profession
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Saurook Deveraux
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:47:00 -
[82]
In my overview, I have every type of ship/NPC/entity/drone,etc. selected.....yet NONE of the NPC ships will show on my overview. I filed a Petition on Wednesday - still no response. I tried going to the help channel - WHAT A COLOSSAL WASTE OF TIME! I was advised on the help channel to file a Bug Report - so I did that yesterday (still waiting for a respone to that).
This pretty much renders me unable to target ships for combat missions, etc.
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DreadPirate Ryu
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Posted - 2006.12.02 18:13:00 -
[83]
The stars in systems like to shine through planets. They also seem to "blink" when shining through the planet.
Shading is messed up on planets. Can't really describe it, and don't have a picture, just look at any planet that is being illuminated by a star and you'll see what I mean.
I'd also like to re-iterate the need for a fix to the white flash after a jump through a stargate.
And another iteration, the need to add seperate icons/colors to looted/unlooted wrecks, as well as applying looted wreck icon/color to wrecks that spawned with no loot, or a seperate icon/name altogether.
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Erotic Irony
RONA Deepspace
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.12.02 18:44:00 -
[84]
To reiterate vanBuskirk: the eve-o item db needs updating as well--I'd love to browse the new rigs and so on in tabbed Firefox view. We'd be obliged if our Alliance logo were sorted as well.
Whoe: Your sig is 4x too large.
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Internet Knight
Caldari
The Knighthawks
Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.02 20:49:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Internet Knight on 02/12/2006 20:52:41
Lovely stuff with the new fleet system.
However, there are a few improvements that need to be made:
1) The leadership bonus effect indicators are nice... but when red, it doesn't tell you why you're not receiving bonuses
1a) Pilot is out of range (eg, not in system)
1b) Pilot is docked
1c) Pilot is in a pod
1d) Pilot doesn't have sufficient Fleet Command / Wing Command / Leadership skill to command a fleet / wing / squad of this size
1e) Pilot doesn't have higher leadership bonuses than someone above him (is this a possible reason for it to go red?)
2) When the leadership bonus effect indicator is green, it should display what effects (or perhaps, what skills) are being modified by that commander
3) Need a way to name the fleet, wings, and squads... just "fleet", "wing 1", "wing 2", "squad 1", "squad 2", etc is unacceptable. I've currently got a fleet with one wing dedicated to a mining op... two squads for miners and one squad for haulers, and could easily set up a fourth squad for escorts..., a separate wing for carrier jumps, a third wing looking for war targets, and a fourth wing running a roaving gang in 0.0... sure, i don't have enough skills to give bonuses to everyone, but it is highly nice to have everyone in a single fleet and still have specific operations be separate
4) No wing chat? bleh...
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coolzero
Gallente
Horizon.Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.02 21:27:00 -
[86]
question:
Quote:
The Salvaging skill requirements have been lowered to Mechanic level 3 and Survey level 3.
will the req for using the salvager I scanner also be lowered??.
seems kinda useless to lower the skill req while keeping the scanner req at survey 5 and mechanic 5?
Jack of all trades, master of none...
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Epoch
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Posted - 2006.12.02 21:34:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Epoch on 02/12/2006 21:34:28
Originally by: Freaky Bare
Please make empty wrecks and looted wrecks share the same color-code. There is essentially no difference between the 2. (This may already be the plan.)
Please make empty/looted wrecks something we can switch off in the overview.
I believe this would solve the annoyance/time wasting issues in a simple and efective manner.
CCP, for the love of Odin, please address this. there is over one thousand posts about this from different ppl. a color coding system for epmty/full wrecks or an ability to remove empty wrecks from the overview. its obnoxious that it takes longer to loot wrecks then it does to complete a lvl 4.
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Mister Zero
Synergy Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.02 22:10:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Mister Zero on 02/12/2006 22:14:51
So lemme get this straight...
Salvage is rank 3, hmm, that's just swell. Not. Finding piles of garbage has become a nobel-laureate profession now?
And the reqs for Salvage go down to Survey 3 and Mech 3? Gee, just in time for the rest of to finish Survey 5. What a rip, just because piles of noobs and macro-miners complained. Hmph. Grow a pair, CCP, and stick to your guns. Either that, or refund me the 5 days it took to skill up survey - which is otherwise useless to me.
While I'm at it, how about a refund on this useless biology skill.
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Koti Resci
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Posted - 2006.12.02 22:24:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Internet Knight
Edited by: Internet Knight on 02/12/2006 20:52:41
Lovely stuff with the new fleet system.
However, there are a few improvements that need to be made:
1) The leadership bonus effect indicators are nice... but when red, it doesn't tell you why you're not receiving bonuses
1a) Pilot is out of range (eg, not in system)
1b) Pilot is docked
1c) Pilot is in a pod
1d) Pilot doesn't have sufficient Fleet Command / Wing Command / Leadership skill to command a fleet / wing / squad of this size
1e) Pilot doesn't have higher leadership bonuses than someone above him (is this a possible reason for it to go red?)
2) When the leadership bonus effect indicator is green, it should display what effects (or perhaps, what skills) are being modified by that commander
3) Need a way to name the fleet, wings, and squads... just "fleet", "wing 1", "wing 2", "squad 1", "squad 2", etc is unacceptable. I've currently got a fleet with one wing dedicated to a mining op... two squads for miners and one squad for haulers, and could easily set up a fourth squad for escorts..., a separate wing for carrier jumps, a third wing looking for war targets, and a fourth wing running a roaving gang in 0.0... sure, i don't have enough skills to give bonuses to everyone, but it is highly nice to have everyone in a single fleet and still have specific operations be separate
4) No wing chat? bleh...
also,
5) a warning should be displayed if you try to invite someone to your gang which will go over the limit of pilots that your bonuses will allow for your squadron, or if you try to create too many wings or squadrons
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Bellum Eternus
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Posted - 2006.12.02 23:24:00 -
[90]
SEED RECON PROBE LAUNCHERS/BPOS/PROBES FFS!!!
That is all. Carry on.
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R0ME0
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Posted - 2006.12.02 23:57:00 -
[91]
STANDING ISSUE
They seems an issue get again after a major patch update, this time since kali was released. After DownTime Player Corp standings are updated, however this is not happening AGAIN!!
Is someone forgotting to re-apply the configuration, as it seems to happen only after patches, which normally follow with unschedualed DownTime which effect corp standings.
PLEASE ADDRESS.
R0ME0, Spelt with number 0, not letter o
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Max Tesla
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Posted - 2006.12.03 00:56:00 -
[92]
Fix the drones unlocking assigned npc target bug
Drones will unlock an assigned npc target after some time and relock a new npc target if one is present
This bug has been in eve for about a year but has not been fixed. And I just did a mission and it happened to me so I know that it has not been fixed
The bug is very simple; drones will after some time unlock an assigned npc target and relock something else
NO the target did not move out of range and NO I did not tell the drones to attack something new
The most simple way to see the bug is to place your self between 2 npc structures both of them beeing around 40km from you and 80km from each other
If the drones dont unlock on their way towards target 1 then they will unlock towards target 2
This can also be seen when fighting npc targets with a nice tank, after some time the drones will unlock the targe tthey are attacking and relock something else if there is another target within range
This bug applies to all drones and you can use any drone to see it but if you cant find the all or any drones then use ogres
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Duke Kessler
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Posted - 2006.12.03 01:47:00 -
[93]
Originally by: R0ME0
STANDING ISSUE
They seems an issue get again after a major patch update, this time since kali was released. After DownTime Player Corp standings are updated, however this is not happening AGAIN!!
Is someone forgotting to re-apply the configuration, as it seems to happen only after patches, which normally follow with unschedualed DownTime which effect corp standings.
PLEASE ADDRESS.
I have to second that. Even after petitions, bug reporting, and general *****ing the dev and ISD I chatted with have no idea this is happening. Is this some evil plot by CCP to prevent more research slots...jk.
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Fren Mallow
Gallente
Bluestar Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.12.03 02:52:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Fren Mallow on 03/12/2006 02:53:33
Originally by: BOKK Sticky
...
As to the new contract gui, it has killed escrow. No sorting by item, title, or price with it being spread out over multiple lines on multiple screens has made it into the biggest timesink in the game for anyone wishing to browse it. To be honest, the region by region would not be too bad if we still had a single-line user-controled sorted display we could view. I am no longer interested in purchasing over-priced toys since it now takes at least 10 times longer to do any browsing and I cannot be sure if I am getting the best deal without sorting.
Now the question I have that will never get answered is this. Was this change done by people that knew nothing about high-volume order processing screen design or was it done intentionally to use up more time? I believe the answer is a little of both.
/signed¦
Even Ebay is better to browse now!!!
*Maybe CCP shouldn't hire more prgrammers, but instead a guy who knows at least something about UI-design, usability and men-machine-connectivity?!
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Keshi Linegod
Amarr
Pod Squad
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.03 03:17:00 -
[95]
Will the probes used for exploration have their skill requirments changed to match SiSi's? I'm wondering if I'll have to spend the 16 days to train astrometrics to 5 or not.
-K
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Nymos
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.03 04:12:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Diana Foster
pls resolve killmail bug o/
any chance we can get killmails fixed? in this hotfix please, not in kali2.
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Flarfian
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Posted - 2006.12.03 05:33:00 -
[97]
Before I trained 2 level 5 skills for salvage I checked the forums after the patch. And guess what? THE NEXT DAY it was stated in this thread http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=433090 that salvage prereqs would be lowered "- Decrease the pre-req which is a tad high atm (This will be in the Tuesday patch)." YOU wasted your time by not staying informed. It was stated repeatedly on the help channel from 30 NOV on that the prereq would be lowered.
Now, why do you suppose they lowered the prereqs? Because ppl complained? I think they lowered it because they realized oops we don't have enough people salvaging all of these wrecks being created. Personally, I assumed the prereqs were going to 4's so I trained an additional 36 hours from 3's to 4's that I didn't specifically need to. Oh well I have those skills for something else later. But I didn't waste my time going to 5's just for salvage because I knew 1 day after the patch that the prereqs would change within a week.
You snooze you lose... Attention to detail FTW!
Originally by: Mister Zero
Edited by: Mister Zero on 02/12/2006 22:14:51
So lemme get this straight...
Salvage is rank 3, hmm, that's just swell. Not. Finding piles of garbage has become a nobel-laureate profession now?
And the reqs for Salvage go down to Survey 3 and Mech 3? Gee, just in time for the rest of to finish Survey 5. What a rip, just because piles of noobs and macro-miners complained. Hmph. Grow a pair, CCP, and stick to your guns. Either that, or refund me the 5 days it took to skill up survey - which is otherwise useless to me.
While I'm at it, how about a refund on this useless biology skill.
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.12.03 07:18:00 -
[98]
Salvage simply takes too long.
In order for it to be economically viable for a ratter to hang around a belt after looting to salvage - and please don't insult my intelligence by pretending the possibility of a dedicated salvaging profession of people going around doing nothing but - each component needs to remain at its current market cost of 250k isk each, or it makes less isk/hr than moving onto the next belt.
This puts the cost of a rig - with the updated build requirements currently on SISI - at over 250m isk per T1 rig.
Lets not add how soul-crushingly BORING hanging around a wreck for minutes at a time waiting for the dice to roll a 20 is. I'd have though if there was anything to learn from ECM, its that chance sucks.
If this isn't bad game design, I don't know what is.
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Merrick Solipsus
Flashman Services
Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.03 07:29:00 -
[99]
Still no fix for fighters MWDing back after being recalled? THey take several, yes SEVERAL minutes to come back from a target thats 50 - 60k away. As far as Im aware this bug has been in since carriers/fighters were put into the game. Its getting rediculous.
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Emma Green
Caldari
Hammerfall Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.03 07:38:00 -
[100]
please fix FPS problems first
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Nymos
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.03 07:41:00 -
[101]
Originally by: keepiru
If this isn't bad game design, I don't know what is.
hehe. why in the first place do i have to look for melted circuits and other junk to build something from it? why cant i just set a bantam on fire and get that junk out of it for rigs? or why can't i just build the functional circuits and make rigs from them? i can hardly believe a rig works with damaged components (and if i want those i can purposely damage working components :P). the whole idea of the source for rig components is silly, but oh well, this is OT here.
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Karo Kezo
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Posted - 2006.12.03 07:55:00 -
[102]
Can someone point me to the topic of error I receive on fitting cyno generator with cloak field, even if one of them is turned off on a ship?
will it be repaired with this patch??
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Tolomea
Gallente
5th Front enterprises
New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.12.03 08:16:00 -
[103]
Originally by: keepiru
and please don't insult my intelligence by pretending the possibility of a dedicated salvaging profession of people going around doing nothing but
I couldn't really comment on your intelligence but we have dedicated salvage piolts in this neighbourhood, they clean up all the belt rats produced by mining ops and follow the mission runners around. Destroyer seems to be a popular ship as components are small and a destroyer can fit 4 tractors and 4 salvagers. Also if you ask nice they'll throw all your loot into a can for you so looting is much easier. Perhaps you just live in a bad neighbourhood.
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Tolomea
Gallente
5th Front enterprises
New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.12.03 08:18:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Tolomea
Originally by: keepiru
and please don't insult my intelligence by pretending the possibility of a dedicated salvaging profession of people going around doing nothing but
I couldn't really comment on your intelligence but we have dedicated salvage piolts in this neighbourhood, they clean up all the belt rats produced by mining ops and follow the mission runners around. Destroyer seems to be a popular ship as components are small and a destroyer can fit 4 tractors and 4 salvagers. Also if you ask nice they'll throw all your loot into a can for you so looting is much easier. Perhaps you just live in a bad neighbourhood.
Futher to this the salvage piolts we have swear that it's an awesome profession and seem to be much happier salvaging that mission running or mining.
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Phoenix Lonestar
Litanies of Hate
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Posted - 2006.12.03 09:08:00 -
[105]
1. Fix the lag. Somehow, every single "patch" that introduces "optimizations" to the client and the server since DRAGON has destroyed lag-free or lag-lite gameplay. It progressively gets worse and worse. CCP has a horrible record of saying "Oh, this is what's causing the lag" and then they change it, and the lag stays the same. Supposedly they increase the server capacity by 40%, but somehow the game is still EXTREMELY laggy during peak and eve non-peak (2 hours before DT) times. Kali1 takes effect and then you get the dreaded weapon slot won't deactivate/weapons fail to fire while waiting for synch/it takes 87 seconds to dock at a station. There were 12,000 people on the server last night, and it took 10 minutes to jump from Isen to Saila, while being told I was number 65 in the queue. The warp to zero was supposed to help get rid of instas, which supposedly were the harbingers of lag... but I know people like me diligently deleted all their instas, and have seen a DECREASE in performance.
I hate to be one of those people... but if this patch on Tuesday doesn't make things remarkably better, I'm going to cancel my sub with my friends until these forums reflect better gameplay experience. And I plan on coming back if it gets better, so no you can't have my stuff. If it doesn't get better, then maybe if you're lucky. (Gist X-Type XLarge SB, anyone?)
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Phoenix Lonestar
Litanies of Hate
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Posted - 2006.12.03 09:10:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Tolomea
Originally by: Tolomea
Originally by: keepiru
and please don't insult my intelligence by pretending the possibility of a dedicated salvaging profession of people going around doing nothing but
I couldn't really comment on your intelligence but we have dedicated salvage piolts in this neighbourhood, they clean up all the belt rats produced by mining ops and follow the mission runners around. Destroyer seems to be a popular ship as components are small and a destroyer can fit 4 tractors and 4 salvagers. Also if you ask nice they'll throw all your loot into a can for you so looting is much easier. Perhaps you just live in a bad neighbourhood.
Futher to this the salvage piolts we have swear that it's an awesome profession and seem to be much happier salvaging that mission running or mining.
At a projected 250m per rig, yeah. I'd be happy too!
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ALlihante
Clerics
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Posted - 2006.12.03 09:57:00 -
[107]
Hi
Firstly (and reason why i post) Plz fix so drones can attack wrecks, If you are doing some of the big missions, its very confusing to have 40-50 wrecks lying.
Secondly (this is probably off topic)
As a dedicated drone figther im a bit dissapointed with revalations. I was hoping for some kinda faction stuff for dronefigthers. What i mena is: There are faction guns, faction ships with plusses to guns, faction ammo. But for us dronefigthers theres well nothing. Would have been really cool to see a faction version of the domi or some faction drones introduced (re-introduced, since the hellhounds were taken out)
I love eve, and fighting with drones, is my career of choice, but since im close to maxed out on the drones/domi combo, theres really not much more to train for :-/
just a thought
Allihante out.
ALlihante
Clerics
- an eve corporation
Its better fight AND live to fight another day! |
Tusal Odan
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Posted - 2006.12.03 11:06:00 -
[108]
Hi
Is it just me or is there now a bug with the armour repair drones. Since Revelations every time i try to use my rep drones on friendlies i get the message that this is BAD and Concord will come and get me for doing such a thing. 
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Mantees
Gallente
Freelancing Corp
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.12.03 11:18:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Das Hoff
Please ensure that we can differentiate between wrecks that have been looted and those that haven't yet been looted.
What he said
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DukeJoost1
The Last Solution Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.03 11:58:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Graduran Anguirill
before the patch i was running missions for around 3-4 hours every day, because I thought it was fun and I actually liked it and the payment overall was decent for a new player. I like loot (even if its craploot!), I like looting if there is loot, I like killing rats and I like missionobjectives and well, I liked missioning as a new player (about a month now).
Now, I dont even bother logging in at all, I helped a friend yesterday with a mission that ended with 50+ wrecks, I went around to 10 of them for starters and none of them had loot so I just warped home to HQ and logged after I wasted around 20 minutes on nothing.
Can someone with experience give me suggestions as of what to do now, I dont like missioning anymore since the lootpart is 100% ruined. I cba to drive around for ages from empty wreck to empty wreck finding nothing, thats just a waste of time for _my_ part, we are all different and while some people perhaps enjoy flying around for nothing, I dont.
I need goals to drive somewhere, I want purpose, without purpose its dull to do something in a game. While I can agree with that EVEdude to a certain extent that it is realistic that every ship drops a wreck, I can also say that realism should never, ever exceed funfactor in importance, that goes for every single game out there on the market as of today including EVE or the game looses its mainpurpose, to be fun to spend time on.
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Perfectly stated.
Jiekon / Kieron / CCP read this again:
>realism should never, ever exceed funfactor in importance
>realism should never, ever exceed funfactor in importance
>realism should never, ever exceed funfactor in importance
>realism should never, ever exceed funfactor in importance
>realism should never, ever exceed funfactor in importance
Realism would be lots of Scrap Metal of 10m3 each in wrecks.
Realism would be Salvager modules showing salvagable items in wreck contents, not magically moving it into cargohold.
Fun would be cans for loot and wreck for salvagers.
Fun would be loot automatically moved into cargohold if can within 5km, just like salvage does.
Fun would be Salvage not being chance based anymore.
Bring back the cans Tuesday.
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Shieldbreaker
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Posted - 2006.12.03 12:12:00 -
[111]
How about making the salvage items a wee bit easier to come by??? At least one guy in my corp has been salvageing since day 1 and has a total of about 36 different components. after searching well over 300 wrecks, that's almost a 1 in 100 chance of getting something... rigs are never going to take off unless this is changed...
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Rede
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Posted - 2006.12.03 18:14:00 -
[112]
Originally by: keepiru
Salvage simply takes too long.
In order for it to be economically viable for a ratter to hang around a belt after looting to salvage - and please don't insult my intelligence by pretending the possibility of a dedicated salvaging profession of people going around doing nothing but - each component needs to remain at its current market cost of 250k isk each, or it makes less isk/hr than moving onto the next belt.
This puts the cost of a rig - with the updated build requirements currently on SISI - at over 250m isk per T1 rig.
Lets not add how soul-crushingly BORING hanging around a wreck for minutes at a time waiting for the dice to roll a 20 is. I'd have though if there was anything to learn from ECM, its that chance sucks.
If this isn't bad game design, I don't know what is.
Maybe idea was to make it a bit more dangerous so that you have to spend time near wreck before you get the loot... More or less you should get more items over time... and this can be either done two ways: either remove time it takes or more items per salvage.
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Taram Caldar
Caldari
Acheron Vanguard Armada
The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.12.03 18:35:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Alassra Eventide
Quote:
In the character creation, the Caldari race could appear to be a better racial selection. Skill distributions have been adjusted for racial parity.
Ah! So it was the skills that made caldari appear to be a better racial selection.
It's all so clear now!
Yup... and here I thought it was the fact that an achura could make a
int 9
cha 3
per 9
wil 9
mem 9
Stat Character.
Silly me.
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Treher
Minmatar
Locust Syndicate
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.03 19:14:00 -
[114]
Dont' bother salvaging anything smaller than a battleship. Use a destroyer with 4 salvager 1s. You'll have the wreck opened in 10 seconds
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ALlihante
Clerics
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Posted - 2006.12.03 20:59:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Treher
Dont' bother salvaging anything smaller than a battleship. Use a destroyer with 4 salvager 1s. You'll have the wreck opened in 10 seconds
10 seconds !!!!
/Me is aborting Survey lvl 5, salvaging seems to be e Noob way of making isk, i cant imagine any with decent SP that wanna look at the wreck for 10+ seconds, and have to go through 100¦s and 100¦s to get enough for a rig.
ALlihante
Clerics
- an eve corporation
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Cyclops43
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Posted - 2006.12.03 21:12:00 -
[116]
I've got a few comments on contracts, specifically auctions.
First, to get it out of the way, I think the region restrictions on the new contract system will kill it. Make AT LEAST the search span the entirety of EVE (preferably it all). Having everything regionalised will simply mean that even more people will go to Jita :-/
Ok, that out of the way, comments on auctions. I think they have great potential, but there are some things that needs to be changed.
1. We need to know the exact time when the auction ends. At the moment it doesn't even show a reliable time (sometimes saying 1 day, and then later saying 2 before going back to 1). It is so utterly fustrating to either accept being beaten, or have to monitor it for 24 hours :-/
2. When the exact time is known, there'll be a need for a sniper rule (i.e. bids are accepted for 1/2 hour or so after last bid).
3. It would be VERY nice with a feature like on Ebay where you can put in the maximum you want to bid, and you then autobid if someone outbids you, but it's still below your maximum.
And some comments on contracts in general.
1. There need to be an option with item groups NOT to include when displaying search results. Currently, a LOT of the auctions are for BPC's, which are nice, but very annoying if that's not what your're looking for.
2. Searching on groups have to be implemented. For example I'm looking a lot at faction/officer items, but with the current system I'll have to look at ALL contracts available, or search on every single faction item type one-by-one. Not acceptable.
In general though, a good beginning, and a system I think hold a great deal of promise, but in it's current state it is not a good replacement for the old escrow system (even with all its faults).
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Treher
Minmatar
Locust Syndicate
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.03 21:28:00 -
[117]
Originally by: ALlihante
Originally by: Treher
Dont' bother salvaging anything smaller than a battleship. Use a destroyer with 4 salvager 1s. You'll have the wreck opened in 10 seconds
10 seconds !!!!
/Me is aborting Survey lvl 5, salvaging seems to be e Noob way of making isk, i cant imagine any with decent SP that wanna look at the wreck for 10+ seconds, and have to go through 100¦s and 100¦s to get enough for a rig.
It is definitely time consuming, but if you work in a gang and had higher salvage skills, you could probably salvage 5 wrecks within 30 seconds and then move onto the next batch. However, that requires the other memebers to kill battle ships that quickly, which is unlikely. Based on market average sell price (again, don't know if anyone actually is purchasing)
I jsut ran around the belts cleaning up wrecks. I couldn't use a tractor beam cause of the ownership thing (lame), but I liked the idea of it being a mini-profession. Problem is that it is too messy for those that don't want to bother with it and rigs are way too crucial unlike cosmos hacky/arch stuff which was just for special blueprints.
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Agrias Hellion
Diligentia Sodalitas
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Posted - 2006.12.03 22:02:00 -
[118]
I am not seeing anything in the notes about the rather annoying traffic advisory issues. for example this is currently going on:
Warped from Luminaire into Mies, go through Mies gate then sit with the same stargate for 5 minutes with no warnings.
Enter Mies warped in at 100,000km away from the Luminare gate. Think ok thats weird warp to gate to Oursulaert and get this message:
"**** left Mies *secs ago"
Stuck, can't do anything. Relog then I'm queued to enter the game.
Bloody annoying. How about the white flash between jumps?
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Frug
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.03 22:09:00 -
[119]
The traffic advisory issues are a general problem that they certainly know about and probably have to do more with general 'optimizations' and server load than a specific bug that can be easily fixed. So they don't say anything about it. They also surely know about the white flash, cause everyone mentions it. Autopilot Jumping... GAH MY EYES!
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Scorpyn
Caldari
The Patriot Pact
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Posted - 2006.12.03 23:24:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Patch Notes
All player owned and item bookmarks within a 25km radius of a station or stargate will be deleted, including itemized Instajump bookmarks. Loading time for players with a large number of bookmarks should decrease drastically.
May I suggest increasing this to 40km? Because I think I still have some very old 30km bookies in a can somewhere.
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thoradh
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.12.04 00:53:00 -
[121]
Edited by: thoradh on 04/12/2006 01:01:17
When jumping thru a gate the camera gets reset to close-up zoom on ship, can you re-set the behaviour to the way it was please i.e. the zoom level stays the same after jumping thru a gate as before? Cheers!
Edit: BTW DEVs you got a LOT of new things in that work reeeeealy good! Like watching local is now much less tedious, a boon for 0.0 dwellers. The new map is really good too, although the lag between view changes is not exactly what we'd like, its overall much easier to use once you get used to it. Lotsa changes will of course upset some peeps, usually its the high differences peeps who will love the changes, persevere people and soon all will be well
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Tolomea
Gallente
5th Front enterprises
New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.12.04 04:25:00 -
[122]
Originally by: thoradh
although the lag between view changes is not exactly what we'd like
you can turn that off somewhere in the map control window
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.12.04 06:40:00 -
[123]
I hope you'll be adding more to this patch tomorrow, because right now its a joke.
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Arben Decota
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Posted - 2006.12.04 07:50:00 -
[124]
wasnt a tech2 lottery to take place? :(
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Akhtar Leon
Murientor Tribe
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.12.04 08:04:00 -
[125]
Armor Plates (rig component) main drop fron Amarr / Sansha not used on any Rig BPO's it should be used on Armor Rig BPO's
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.12.04 10:20:00 -
[126]
Originally by: kieron
Patch Notes are now available. Some updates will be made to the notes over the weekend as more fixes and improvements check through the QA process, these updates will be highlighted in green text. Notification of updates will be made in this post and in the Announcement.
Great job.
I guess the PvP tourney killed any work on further patch content during the weekend and we will be served the half assed abomination it currently is? 
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ZOMG my sig was concordokkened!
Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Sharcy
Vanguard Frontiers
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.04 10:44:00 -
[127]
Any chance you can have a look at the color schemes of corp logo's? As reported after deployment, our logo has changed into 2 different shades of yellow, that used to be the same.
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Jock Feegle
Amarr
Games And Theory
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Posted - 2006.12.04 10:46:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Erotic Irony
To reiterate vanBuskirk: the eve-o item db needs updating as well--I'd love to browse the new rigs and so on in tabbed Firefox view. We'd be obliged if our Alliance logo were sorted as well.
Yes please... I'm using the ItemDB a lot to plan ahead while at work... Could we at least push for a date when it will be updated? :D
Other than that, GREAT RELEASE!!! Can't wait to see what will be revealed (pun intended) in the upcoming patches.
And to all you whiners: Read the patch notes.
I did, updated my directX, set it to use only one core on my dualcore cpu and have had NO problems whatsoever!!
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Jock Feegle
CEO Games And Theory
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Kedrich
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Posted - 2006.12.04 11:50:00 -
[129]
Edited by: Kedrich on 04/12/2006 11:54:19
Please fix white splash on jumps and make zoom level (normal view) preserved on jumps, pretty please....
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D3us ExMachina
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Posted - 2006.12.04 11:52:00 -
[130]
Originally by: keepiru
I hope you'll be adding more to this patch tomorrow, because right now its a joke.
Fix the wrecks ; help us loot ; take time and think : mission time = 5 minutes , looting time = 20 minutes , loot value 20k , mission value 40 k ; help us loot ; don't destroy the EVE economy ...
I guess you receaved the message now eh ?
Keep up the good work for the patch...
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R0ME0
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Posted - 2006.12.04 12:05:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Duke Kessler
Originally by: R0ME0
STANDING ISSUE
They seems an issue get again after a major patch update, this time since kali was released. After DownTime Player Corp standings are updated, however this is not happening AGAIN!!
Is someone forgotting to re-apply the configuration, as it seems to happen only after patches, which normally follow with unschedualed DownTime which effect corp standings.
PLEASE ADDRESS.
I have to second that. Even after petitions, bug reporting, and general *****ing the dev and ISD I chatted with have no idea this is happening. Is this some evil plot by CCP to prevent more research slots...jk.
I'm begining to think there is something all to sinister also about this, seems odd it always breaks after extended DT for patches, which led me to thing it was an actual setting for the DEV's, so the natural progression doesnt get disturbed with the excess DownTime's.
However i got a GM reply back saying they are aware of this, yet the issue is still there..
R0ME0, Spelt with number 0, not letter o
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key mistress
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Posted - 2006.12.04 12:32:00 -
[132]
Can we split tagging so indervidual squads can tag there own group with wing commanders tagging for every squad under them
And fleet commanders tagging for the whole fleet?
current the problem is if 3 people wish to tag durning a level 4 missions 1 person has to sit in the fleet commad and gets no bonuses as not all in the one squad, this is assumming you dont have the Fleet command skill of course.
Yours
Tradari
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BaneMaker
JuBa Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.04 12:38:00 -
[133]
Edited by: BaneMaker on 04/12/2006 12:38:03
Originally by: SentryRaven
Add corp 2 alliance standings :)
That's QFT!
It is sooo cumbersome that a corp has to set standings to every single corp in a friendly alliance. So much in fact, that it easy to run out of free slots (250? smt like that)
What is the point of not adding it to the game tbh?
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Zalim
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Posted - 2006.12.04 12:40:00 -
[134]
Can you pls solve the killmail bug pls,as long as its a known issue ,we just cant get killmails with missiles ,it s really annoying to ask your opponent for his/her lossmail after you blew him/her ship up...
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Baleorg
Gallente
Guys of Sarcasm
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Posted - 2006.12.04 13:15:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Qelen Seastrider
There are some 'issues' I'd like to see addressed in a future patch:
3) Why o WHY won't autopilot jump to 0km at gates??? All it's doing is FORCING people to do long runs manually. If you leave it to autopilot, you're exposed to rats for no reason at all.
aeh.. ROFL ?
you know thats intented the 15km with autopilot?
no easy Cruisecontrol when traveling trough 0.0 or somewhere else on autopilot :-P
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.12.04 16:32:00 -
[136]
Patch Notes and the original post have been updated with the new additions. Additions include:
Update: 4 December 2 1630 GMT
*The eight new regions now have moon materials available.
*The EVE client will run on Linux using Cedega from Transgaming.
*A Starbase in reinforced mode contributes to Sovereignty.
*New programming has been added to drones. They will no longer attempt to become self-aware and will not pick random targets on their own.
*Valkyrie and Hammerhead drones no longer share the same icon.
*Scan Probes cannot be launched while within the scan range of other scan probes belonging to the same pilot.
*Selecting 'All Groups' for scan results no longer results in an exception error.
*New landmarks are no longer clustered together on the map.
*Slight visualization changes have been made to the Character Creation process.
*Empty wrecks no longer share the same icon with wrecks containing items.
*Remotely viewing corporation hangars via the Corporations tab in the Neocom will display the entire list.
*Blueprints are displayed in the corporation Science & Industry Interface.
*A number of missions, including some COSMOS missions, have been added to the game.
*Mission information windows will warn players if their route to the mission location travels through low security space.
*Some NPCs in hidden complexes have been made more aggressive.
*You can now leave your ship while docked, resulting in you appearing in the station in a pod and your ship in your shipbay.
*You may now right click in space and select active Expeditions from the 'Warp To' list.
*The Title Management window size has been increased and the layout improved.
*The 'Deliver to' option in the right click menu has been removed.
*The Map now remembers whether to flatten or remain 3D between uses.
*Overview settings are retained between client restarts.
*When a gang loses its leader, notification will be given in the gang window header.
*The client no longer crashes to the desktop when warping to a stargate.
*Contracts involving a ship now use the repackaged volume of the ship, not the assembled volume.
*Expanded Cargohold I, Shield Boost Amplifier I and Recon Probe Launcher I blueprints have been added to the market.
*Booster Reactions now have market entries.
*Gallente and Amarr Encryption method skills have been added to the market.
*Data Cores and Data Interfaces are now correctly listed under æManufacture & Research -> MaterialsÆ on the market.
*Killmails are sent to the killer and the victim.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online |
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keiichi chan
Caldari
BORG Kollektiv
BORG Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.04 16:45:00 -
[137]
Edited by: keiichi chan on 04/12/2006 16:46:22
Edited by: keiichi chan on 04/12/2006 16:44:47
Woohooo! I can finally play on linux again \o/
thx CCP :)
btw.. When do we get some how to's on the new things, like exploration, or drugs and so on?
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hade wade dude da~
If you have something against, my English Skills, then Slap my Teacher! |
Dellepse
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Posted - 2006.12.04 17:06:00 -
[138]
kieron, any news on the graphics issues, most specifically framerates?
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Kindler
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Posted - 2006.12.04 17:23:00 -
[139]
You guys really need to do something about the new map system. Right now it¦s just clumsy, and it feels a little ad-hoc.
- Lag/load time makes the zooming far from "seamless".
- The text labels just pop in. Not very pretty.
- When entering the system map while warping, the worm hole grapics stays on the screen during the transition.
- It would be nice to be able to zoom out to the system map for instance using ctrl+mouse wheel.
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Soulie
principle of motion
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.12.04 17:27:00 -
[140]
It seems that the moblie laboratory (pos labs) are broken. I've onlined one (after patch) at pos within 4 jumps from a npc station. It's impossible to install bpo's for research or anything else from corp hangars in npc station. Installation gets stuck at the: "Calculating Quote" Getting quote from installation" window. With that, I will need to relog as it's stuck.
That was a waste of 90 millions :( Can it be looked into pls.
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Sunshine Sally
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Posted - 2006.12.04 17:33:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Soulie
It seems that the moblie laboratory (pos labs) are broken. I've onlined one (after patch) at pos within 4 jumps from a npc station. It's impossible to install bpo's for research or anything else from corp hangars in npc station. Installation gets stuck at the: "Calculating Quote" Getting quote from installation" window. With that, I will need to relog as it's stuck.
That was a waste of 90 millions :( Can it be looked into pls.
Surely the BPO has to be in the same system as the POS? Last time I checked you can't research things in a slot 4 jumps away from where your BPO is located... As far as I know the only exception is that you can do it from NPC stations in the same system as a POS.
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Soulie
principle of motion
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.12.04 17:39:00 -
[142]
Well...is it? My first remote lab tbh. Someone said this could be done but I wont sell it for more than I bought that :)
Scientific networking allows for starting remote researching up to regional. I assumed that this could be done with pos labs as well.
S.
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:00:00 -
[143]
The following addition was just made to the Patch Notes:
*An option has been added to the Wreck right click menu to toggle whether the wreck has been inspected or not.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online |
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Shemar
Gallente
Photesthetics
Glamour Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:17:00 -
[144]
So, let me get this straight...
A. Not only will the wrecks not be identified by has/does not have loot, they won't even be automatically set to 'inspected' if someone actually inspects them? Do we have to manually do that too? And how is that any different from having to tag them?
Or...
B. Is that in addition to an automatic "set as inspected" when we open them, so that we can relinquish criminal flag rights even without being in range to actually inspect them?
If it's A, thanks for nothing, if it's B well nice but not really of much use.
Is there any intention to mark wrecks based on content of loot or lack thereof, or are we looking at a permanent looting nerf?
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Victor Valka
Caldari
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:28:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Shemar
So, let me get this straight...
A. Not only will the wrecks not be identified by has/does not have loot, they won't even be automatically set to 'inspected' if someone actually inspects them? Do we have to manually do that too? And how is that any different from having to tag them?
Or...
B. Is that in addition to an automatic "set as inspected" when we open them, so that we can relinquish criminal flag rights even without being in range to actually inspect them?
If it's A, thanks for nothing, if it's B well nice but not really of much use.
Is there any intention to mark wrecks based on content of loot or lack thereof, or are we looking at a permanent looting nerf?
These patch notes really made my face sink.
FU2 CCP! 
*goes into LP farming mode*
Screw looting!
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Pizi
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:29:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Soulie
Well...is it? My first remote lab tbh. Someone said this could be done but I wont sell it for more than I bought that :)
Scientific networking allows for starting remote researching up to regional. I assumed that this could be done with pos labs as well.
S.
it works just like with station research
you cant start an research job in another system
be it a mobile lab or a NPC lab
the BPO must be in the same system for mobile labs and in the same station for NPC labs
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:29:00 -
[147]
Edited by: Kerfira on 04/12/2006 18:32:28
Originally by: kieron
The following addition was just made to the Patch Notes:
*An option has been added to the Wreck right click menu to toggle whether the wreck has been inspected or not.
If this means what I think it does, then thanks for nothing (as an above poster said).
I did a lvl 4 mission yesterday, killed around 50 ships, and around 5 of them yielded (crappy) loot. Before, I had only to go to the 5 cans and see what was in there, but now I have to visit all 50.
You gave us tractor beams so we could loot faster, and now you take that ability away again. Real nice you're consistent... NOT!
You may not realise this, but the excitement of sometimes finding good loot in missions is a LOT of what keep people doing them. The missions themselves are the same over and over and over and over again, with the only variable part being that just sometimes you find that good item. Now, you're replacing that with a long row of disappointments.
Not your best idea this one I think.....
Mark the bloody wreck according to whether there is loot inside it or not. The 'toggle' thing can be done with tags anyway, so you're not adding anything new anyway.
Edit: Alternately, make every wreck contain SOMETHING. Reduce the bounties and put items in instead or something. Just make it worth people while to go to them.
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Victor Valka
Caldari
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:37:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Kerfira
Alternately, make every wreck contain SOMETHING. Reduce the bounties and put items in instead or something. Just make it worth people while to go to them.
I'd rather have decent bounty certainly then crappy loot maybe.
That's me, however.
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Eewec Ourbyni
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:43:00 -
[149]
Edited by: Eewec Ourbyni on 04/12/2006 18:43:12
oops, wrong thread....
This is a sig...
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Cyclops43
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:43:00 -
[150]
Edited by: Cyclops43 on 04/12/2006 18:47:30
Fix Saila, PLEASE!
Ever since the Revelations upgrade there has been jump-queues from hell there.
Edit: I've just been looking at 'You're number #20 in queue' for 5+ minutes. I've just advanced to #19...
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:52:00 -
[151]
I'm checking into the concerns about the wreck icons and passing along them on to the Devs. As soon as I have a response, I'll post an update.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online |
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Matrix Aran
Legio Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:53:00 -
[152]
Good to see alot of these changes, but damnit, where is my chimera model fix! 
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Originally by: Wrangler
It's a neuralizer.
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Victor Valka
Caldari
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:03:00 -
[153]
Originally by: kieron
I'm checking into the concerns about the wreck icons and passing along them on to the Devs. As soon as I have a response, I'll post an update.
Thank you.
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Tipz NexAstrum
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:10:00 -
[154]
I don't understand the resistance to combining the functionality of the old cans into the current wrecks. The act of looting needs to be addressed, and adding an option to tag an inspected wreck does not resolve the issue at hand.
My suggestion for resolving the looting problem is to gi ve us a solid icon for wrecks containing loot, and keep the current icon for empty wrecks.
Any issues with salvagers and their issues with that profession are a seperate issue that should be considered seperatly. The looting problem was thrust upon the majority of players whereas any salvaging issues arise from players volunteering for the profession.
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SmokeTheFly
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:13:00 -
[155]
Astrometrics V for all probes got me ranting, when I tried with the test server and noticed the stepped requirements as one moved from probe to probe for fine tuning and better locating I kinda bit the bullet thinking it was reasonable. I am prepared to sit it out though and 'waste' skilltime if one can actually benefit from astrometrics V within frontier(0.5)regions. I think a better description of what one may find within the different security status systems is needed. I fear that I will have learned Astrometrics V only to have had my hopes dashed about making frontier exploration something like a viable asset for members of our corp who operate in Empire.
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ALlihante
Clerics
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:14:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Tipz NexAstrum
I don't understand the resistance to combining the functionality of the old cans into the current wrecks. The act of looting needs to be addressed, and adding an option to tag an inspected wreck does not resolve the issue at hand.
My suggestion for resolving the looting problem is to gi ve us a solid icon for wrecks containing loot, and keep the current icon for empty wrecks.
Any issues with salvagers and their issues with that profession are a seperate issue that should be considered seperatly. The looting problem was thrust upon the majority of players whereas any salvaging issues arise from players volunteering for the profession.
Signed
And repeating plee on previous post, Give us dronefigthers soem kinda action gear/ship/drones too
ALlihante
Clerics
- an eve corporation
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Sunshine Sally
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:26:00 -
[157]
Edited by: Sunshine Sally on 04/12/2006 19:29:04
Originally by: Tipz NexAstrum
My suggestion for resolving the looting problem is to gi ve us a solid icon for wrecks containing loot, and keep the current icon for empty wrecks.
This is really all thats needed, why all the messing around with inspected/not-inspected? Noone, I repeat noone wants to be checking every single wreck just on the off chance it has loot in it. It's so incredibly boring its untrue!
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Oftherocks
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:28:00 -
[158]
You know I'm glad you guys are making these mostly cosmetic fixes for people, but I hope to God that most of the dev team is working on the real issues, you know, the ones that are making this game unplayable for so many people. Please tell me that you are spending the majority of your resources trying to fix things like the multi-core/hyper threading problem. Because if you guys are actually spending most of you resources on these cosmetic changes (more freakin' COSMOS missions ?!?!?!), I will be seriosly upset!
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EvilMetal
Warped Mining
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:32:00 -
[159]
we really need 2 icons, one said wrecks is empty, and one with loot in !
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Agrias Hellion
Diligentia Sodalitas
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:53:00 -
[160]
Take one dev, or group of Dev's and slap them silly. Better yet pay my flight to CCP offices and I'll do it for a small fee, approximately 8 UK pounds a month.
Will anything be done to fix the current borked system of mission running?
Main problems are:
Your "new and improved" system for wrecks still sucks. The main issues with the wrecks are:
All enemy ships drop them
Most don't have loot
You can't tag the wreck or know it was checked.
The above negatively impacts mission runners enjoyment of the game.
The new griefing tactics recently added by the new "yes I have 3 braincells but can still use a scanner" update are probably worse.
So the combined looting/wreck issue was one problem, increasing the time per mission and the chances of some muppet finding you in 10 seconds. This has driven people out of low sec which is the complete opposite you were trying to do.
Now in high sec we have reduced reward, plus the chance of being griefed by anyone with a couple of days training. This equals, failed missions, lowered standings, lowered income and frustration.
You guys must work by this checklist:
-Reduce mission rewards even though mission difficulty is the same in high sec - Check
-Nerf bat loyalty point system - Check
Rev 1 patch:
-Add lots of wrecks without thinking of consequences to further reduce rewards and annoy players - Check
-Add simplified, yet Uber scanning system - Check
-Allow people to go out of their way to grief player, destroying their enjoyment of the game - Check
Rev 2 Patch:
-Remove agent missions
Give us a break.
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Schwaxpl
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:11:00 -
[161]
Can't CCP realize that that loot system is an enormous error ? They should think about one question : what would be the worse ? Having 1/2 mission runners on eve leaving the game or just set back the good ol' cans ( wich were , imho perfect or near perfects )
Why not set wrecks life time on 20 min and spawn cans in addition of wrecks when there is loot ? it should not harm that much the server , at least , less than wrecks wich stays while the runner check them all ( >1h sometimes )
( Sorry for my poor english , you know , i'm a Gallente )
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Krasnij Okjabre
Caldari
Caldari Luftwaffe
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:31:00 -
[162]
Any chance of a login fix? I been looking at 'Entering game as...' now for 20 minutes or so... Perhaps this should be renamed EVE Foreverlations given the amount of time it takes to get in... gets worse every time there is an 'improvement'.
Fed up.
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:41:00 -
[163]
We are discussing a system to show whether a wreck contains a lootable item/can be salvaged, does not contain a lootable item/can be salvaged and does not contain a lootable item/cannot be salvaged (the wreck disappears). Unfortunately, we cannot include such a change in tomorrow's patch and ask for the community's patience until we can add such a system in the very near future.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online |
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Braaage
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:44:00 -
[164]
What about the agent bug I bug reported so many are experiencing??????
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Sunshine Sally
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Posted - 2006.12.04 21:09:00 -
[165]
Originally by: kieron
We are discussing a system to show whether a wreck contains a lootable item/can be salvaged, does not contain a lootable item/can be salvaged and does not contain a lootable item/cannot be salvaged (the wreck disappears). Unfortunately, we cannot include such a change in tomorrow's patch and ask for the community's patience until we can add such a system in the very near future.
Hurrah!
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Kylania
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.04 21:33:00 -
[166]
Originally by: kieron
The following addition was just made to the Patch Notes:
*An option has been added to the Wreck right click menu to toggle whether the wreck has been inspected or not.
What does that mean??
The patch notes already have this line: *Wrecks that have been inspected no longer have the same icon as wrecks that have not been inspected.
So is the icon change a manual process like your add-on note seems to indicate or automatic as the penultimate patch note version seems to indicate?
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Grack Sturmkarb
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Posted - 2006.12.04 21:37:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Tipz NexAstrum
I don't understand the resistance to combining the functionality of the old cans into the current wrecks. The act of looting needs to be addressed, and adding an option to tag an inspected wreck does not resolve the issue at hand.
My suggestion for resolving the looting problem is to gi ve us a solid icon for wrecks containing loot, and keep the current icon for empty wrecks.
Any issues with salvagers and their issues with that profession are a seperate issue that should be considered seperatly. The looting problem was thrust upon the majority of players whereas any salvaging issues arise from players volunteering for the profession.
This seems to be the most logical solution to me. Solid icon with loot, outline without loot.
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.12.04 21:59:00 -
[168]
The most logical solution is not only to make them different ICONS, but to make them different ITEMS on the overview. So I could just switch the 'empty wreck' item to not show on the overview anymore, e voila, looting almost back to normal. I don't see what the big fuzz is, surely if the differenciation between inspected and uninspected wrecks is already in it can't be such a big deal to make full and empty wrecks different items.
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D3us ExMachina
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Posted - 2006.12.04 22:01:00 -
[169]
Originally by: kieron
The following addition was just made to the Patch Notes:
*An option has been added to the Wreck right click menu to toggle whether the wreck has been inspected or not.
Bah, we still don't know what wrecks have loot.
I don't get it , what would be different in me blowing the wreck up? What about an option to remove the empty wrecks from the overview?
This game is slowly loosing it's fun factor.
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ccasdfse
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Posted - 2006.12.04 22:06:00 -
[170]
Edited by: ccasdfse on 04/12/2006 22:15:05
What does it take, to get the point across that there are STILL several people who can't even log into the game. I've posted this several times and still not one single mention of it in patch notes or otherwise. Please don't sweep this under the rug. I guess I'll have to reiterate until someone notices it.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN PLAYING THIS GAME IN THE PAST AND SINCE REV. CAN NOT EVEN LOGIN TO THE GAME. WE GET A CCP BLUE FRAMEWORK ERROR MESSAGE AS SOON AS WE HIT CONNECT.
Is it to the point that to get your attention that I need to upload monkey on chicken **** or something crazy like that???
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Andala Ivi
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Posted - 2006.12.04 22:23:00 -
[171]
Edited by: Andala Ivi on 04/12/2006 22:26:31
Edited by: Andala Ivi on 04/12/2006 22:23:23
Originally by: kieron
We are discussing a system to show whether a wreck contains a lootable item/can be salvaged, does not contain a lootable item/can be salvaged and does not contain a lootable item/cannot be salvaged (the wreck disappears). Unfortunately, we cannot include such a change in tomorrow's patch and ask for the community's patience until we can add such a system in the very near future.
That's easy:
- If the ship has loot => drop a can with a loot, otherwise don't
- If the ship can be salvaged => drop a wreck that can be salvaged, otherwise don't
Even though this might create 2 objects in some instances, I reckon the total number of objects created for the mission will be less then it currently is.
Also that would automagically solve the following problems:
- The loot window would auto-close when the loot is removed.
- The salvager wouldn't have to loot the wreck before salvaging.
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Kedrich
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Posted - 2006.12.04 22:23:00 -
[172]
It was a great thing to make us able to remove neutrals from overview, really great...
But, it seems to be bugged: when ôuncheckö neutrals, ôhorribleö and ôbadö do also disappear. Please fix that, please..
Regards
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Xorena Blastaphart
Caldari
Signum Malus
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Posted - 2006.12.04 22:35:00 -
[173]
Edited by: Xorena Blastaphart on 04/12/2006 22:35:51
Heck ...
Just make it so ..
Destroyed ship/whatever contains nothing .. no can/no wreck
Destroyed ship/whatever cantains goodies but no salvage .. drop can
Destroyed ship/whatever contains salvage and goodies .. drop wreck
Destroyed ship/whatever contains salvage only .. drop wreck
Simple .. and consistent with the previous can only drops.
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Maxx Force
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Posted - 2006.12.04 22:54:00 -
[174]
umm wow all i see is people complaining about the same thing....even though they already mention that they are FIXING IT IN THE NEXT SCHEDUALED PATCH... and you people claim ccp is braindead.... and as for why they put the wrecks in....i meanit makes it much more realistic in the science fiction sort of way... I mean didn't i read a thread somewhere here that said they wanted to see ships become wrecks when destroyed as apposed to the unrealistic j-can...
any ways overall i see that these will make the revelations patch they way the devs originaly wanted if not close to it. until then i'll sit tight...it's only a day away...
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PMolkenthin
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.04 23:16:00 -
[175]
Just wondering why we are losing the "deliver to" on the right click menu.? I really like it.
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Eveanne
Gallente
Sperm Trumpet Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.04 23:35:00 -
[176]
I don't see anything in the Patch notes about Salvaging Skill pre-reqs reducing to 3/3
x
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.12.04 23:45:00 -
[177]
Edited by: keepiru on 04/12/2006 23:45:05
Quote:
*The 'Deliver to' option in the right click menu has been removed.
WHY???
Quote:
The Salvaging skill requirements have been lowered to Mechanic level 3 and Survey level 3.
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.12.04 23:59:00 -
[178]
Regarding wrecks and loot/no loot icons, the information that I have been given says the system is more complex than a simple database call on whether the wreck has loot or not and applying the appropriate icon, although it may seem to be that easy on the surface. This is similar to the request to change the color of a BPo and BPc, the code does not lend itself to a change of this sort easily.
The issue has been discussed and something closer to the old loot can/no loot can will be added after tomorrow's patch.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online |
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.12.05 00:02:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Eveanne
I don't see anything in the Patch notes about Salvaging Skill pre-reqs reducing to 3/3
x
E
In the text under the Skills heading in the Patch Notes:
The Salvaging skill requirements have been lowered to Mechanic level 3 and Survey level 3.
That was in the Notes published on Friday.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online |
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Little Fistter
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Posted - 2006.12.05 00:28:00 -
[180]
Salvage a wreck, recover minerals!
Screw this busted crap. What about the minerals?
Loot is good, and if you want to make up some BS to rationalize rigs, fine, but don't call it salvage!
When a ship blows up in real life, salvage means recover the iron, brass, aluminum, etc.
In Eve we are supposed to believe that salvage means collecting busted crap? Come on, suspend my disbelief a little.
OK, make it a skill you have to learn, I am OK with that, but make a salvager's reward minerals that can be sold.
Who is deciding this stuff? Maybe spend a little less trying to sell a card game and fix the game you almost have finished!
And sober up the GM's while you're at it. Bad enough the Dev's are drinking from sun-up to, uh, sun-up.
Furious that these lunkheads JUST DON'T GET IT!
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.12.05 00:42:00 -
[181]
The following update has just been added to the patch and patch notes:
*In the tutorial missions, NPCs set to guard or orbit an object will now return to guard their focus object after being destroyed and respawning.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online |
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.12.05 00:44:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Little Fistter
Salvage a wreck, recover minerals!
Screw this busted crap. What about the minerals?
Loot is good, and if you want to make up some BS to rationalize rigs, fine, but don't call it salvage!
When a ship blows up in real life, salvage means recover the iron, brass, aluminum, etc.
In Eve we are supposed to believe that salvage means collecting busted crap? Come on, suspend my disbelief a little.
OK, make it a skill you have to learn, I am OK with that, but make a salvager's reward minerals that can be sold.
Who is deciding this stuff? Maybe spend a little less trying to sell a card game and fix the game you almost have finished!
And sober up the GM's while you're at it. Bad enough the Dev's are drinking from sun-up to, uh, sun-up.
Furious that these lunkheads JUST DON'T GET IT!
lol?
In case you had not noticed, you can sell the items you salvage for VERY high prices in all the major trade hubs.
They are an essential ingredient in the manufacturing of rigs.
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Sinnbad Mayhem
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Posted - 2006.12.05 00:53:00 -
[183]
Noticed the following in the patch notes:
You can now leave your ship while docked, resulting in you appearing in the station in a pod and your ship in your shipbay.
I predict the first patch post to be:
I undoced in my pod by mistaken and lost my +5s, I QUIT EVE
anyway, CCP. good luck with the patch. but plz for the love of us PVPers, FIX THE LAG NOW!11111 |
Ankanos
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.05 00:58:00 -
[184]
Originally by: kieron
Regarding wrecks and loot/no loot icons, the information that I have been given says the system is more complex than a simple database call on whether the wreck has loot or not and applying the appropriate icon, although it may seem to be that easy on the surface. This is similar to the request to change the color of a BPo and BPc, the code does not lend itself to a change of this sort easily.
The issue has been discussed and something closer to the old loot can/no loot can will be added after tomorrow's patch.
Kieron,
i know some of this has been mentioned already,
however..
-please, as a 3yr old player in January.. the current
wreck fiasco is a huge game breaker for alot of casual
mission runners, as well as the community at large. many players with limted playing time simply do not wish
to spend half of their game time opening empty loot
drops, let alone keep track of them no matter if they are flagged or not. (we need vanishing loot cans -and
return the ability to scan the loot with a cargo
scanner.
I've almost completely stopped looting because of this. all i do now is drop a bm to my loot field at my station and post in local "anyone w/the patience to loot, there is a BM at station xxx.
-saddening
as has been posted.. alot of us, (esp my g/f) love the surprise of opening a loot can to see whats inside more than anything.. -on top of that, many mission runners are coming back to loot the other levels only to find some plebeian has probed his way to our loot field and is cherry picking what is usually a half empty loot field to begin with. -this can be excepted to a *small degree* in low sec, but now in high sec too?
you can't imagine the frustration this has produced.
i know much of this has been posted already. but
you can see how the current wreck situation has really damped alot of the fun many of us derive from Eve-Online.
-esp the mission crowd.
closing out: i applaud your listening to the community
concerns on this matter. it truly is a huge game breaker
for many of us.
as you said, if you can patch in something closer to the old system, or a hybrid system, in a timely manner, while still allowing the salvage content to thrive, you'll have maintained the faith many of us have in CCP's outstanding dev/community relationship and as a company on the whole.
you've never let us down in the past in this regard.
no need to let this tarnish your great record now.
(not to mention fouling up your Carma wheel to
no end). ;p
of course, it would bode well to let us try your new system before it goes live. we all would hate for this to go on one day longer than needed due to a newly fixed
system that turns out not to still not fix the problems at hand.
i would gladly volunteer any amount of time my health permits to help find amicable solution.
many thanks for your timely responses to this matter
and an otherwise outstanding patch and deployment.
-ank
(ps, my g/f asks that you return the loot drops to
their former 100% level on those npc's that always
dropped loot in the past. -she would be ever
greatfull. -duffy)
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Ankanos
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.05 01:15:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Little Fistter
Salvage a wreck, recover minerals!
Screw this busted crap. What about the minerals?
Loot is good, and if you want to make up some BS to rationalize rigs, fine, but don't call it salvage!
When a ship blows up in real life, salvage means recover the iron, brass, aluminum, etc.
In Eve we are supposed to believe that salvage means collecting busted crap? Come on, suspend my disbelief a little.
OK, make it a skill you have to learn, I am OK with that, but make a salvager's reward minerals that can be sold.
A clue for the clu... given the time and
effort required to salvage enough of that
"busted crap" to make just one rig, you can
rest assured 1 comp will sell as much
if not 5x-10x more as one unit of morphite
once the rig industry takes off.
be patient young grasshopper.
-ank
(ps, i suppose you've never once found perfectly
good transmissions/lights/gearboxes/transaxles/
quarter panels and the like on an abandoned
"wrecked" car on the side of the road..?
-now think about what you would find in spaceship.)
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Pang Grohl
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.05 01:24:00 -
[186]
Originally by: kieron
Regarding wrecks and loot/no loot icons, the information that I have been given says the system is more complex than a simple database call on whether the wreck has loot or not and applying the appropriate icon, although it may seem to be that easy on the surface. This is similar to the request to change the color of a BPo and BPc, the code does not lend itself to a change of this sort easily.
The issue has been discussed and something closer to the old loot can/no loot can will be added after tomorrow's patch.
Bah! Apparently I'm the only person who thinks the current wrecks system is a-ok. EVE should reward interactive multi-person plays, not solo plays.
At least the wrecks in their current state made up a little for the dumbed down travel & scanning. Hopefully escalating content will add some excitement back into EVE.
Si non adjuvas, noces
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Stainless Rat
Gallente
Privateers
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Posted - 2006.12.05 02:19:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Andala Ivi
Edited by: Andala Ivi on 04/12/2006 22:26:31
- If the ship has loot => drop a can with a loot, otherwise don't
- If the ship can be salvaged => drop a wreck that can be salvaged, otherwise don't
Even though this might create 2 objects in some instances, I reckon the total number of objects created for the mission will be less then it currently is.
Also that would automagically solve the following problems:
- The loot window would auto-close when the loot is removed.
- The salvager wouldn't have to loot the wreck before salvaging.
This sounds like a fine idea to me, it seems to solve all problems. When looting, you can turn off wrecks in the overview to avoid clutter and pure-looting goes back to pre-Revelations. Salvagers can turn on wrecks in the overview and go nuts with them.
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Posted - 2006.12.05 02:30:00 -
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Not to mention the fact that the CCP Framework Crash at login is being swept underneath the rug for some mysterious reason. I've said it many times before and I guess I'll say it again Kieron. There are many people that can't login to the game, not even to the character select area.
Maybe it's because the fact that I'm posting with a Trial account (even though I use to be a paying customer) that you're not seeing this problem. But I assure you, trial accounts with paying accounts, are having the same problem. I still see no mention of a possible fix, or even an explicit statement saying that you guys know there's an issue.
I love this game, I want to play this game. I have friends playing it right now. And I can't even login to my trial account to check out the new updates before I resubbed. Thank god I was smart and didn't instantly Resub.
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MiLojko
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Posted - 2006.12.05 03:22:00 -
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I want to tank to kieron to actualy listening to us and replying to us and working with us. Thank you.
I want to add 2 things on list of improvments needed:
-Please make it possible to salvage wreck that has not been looted. People cant pick up all Cap booster 800. This results in jetisoning the **** in space. And because you can jettison only once per 3 minutes it slows down the salvaging a lot. And also makes the 5km range useless because you need to get to 1500m anyway.
-Please add some useful bonus on Survey skill because many people trained useless Survey 5 for Salvaging. It could be 5% faster salvaging cycle per level or even further increase chance of successfull salvaging by 5% per level.
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Stavlokar Cerebus
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Posted - 2006.12.05 04:43:00 -
[190]
All of this talk about the mess with Wrecks is great and I totally agree with y'all.
BUT - I'm still waiting for word from somebody about the BUG REPORT and PETITION I filed on Wednesday, Nov. 29th, reporting that I can't see any NPC's on my overview. I have my overview settings set to display EVERYTHING....but I can't see any NPC ships - not Concord, not Pirates, not rogue drones...nothing. I can't run combat missions because I can't target shi*t.
Is it really too much to ask for the overview to work? Is it really too much to expect that a petition get answered in a reaonable period of time?
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Caerleus
Salvage Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.05 05:08:00 -
[191]
Originally by: keepiru
Quote:
*The 'Deliver to' option in the right click menu has been removed.
WHY???
Why indeed...
One of the useful things that was introduced now gets taken away....could a Dev please explain the thinking behind its removal please.
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SentryRaven
Chaos Faction
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Posted - 2006.12.05 05:29:00 -
[192]
Corp 2 Alliance Standings... I just want to hint at that again, ... you may now continue to talk about Wrecks, thank you :)
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Victor Valka
Caldari
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.05 06:33:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Pang Grohl
EVE should reward interactive multi-person plays, not solo plays.
True. It should reward "interactive multi-person plays".
Currently it is punishing "solo plays" and it is easy (for me) to understand why people dislike that.
In my opinion that is wrong as EVE has always been a game where everything is optional, not mandatory.
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Foxy PurpleHaze
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Posted - 2006.12.05 07:10:00 -
[194]
FFS people, stop complaining about wrecks !!
They heared you, it's being changed.
Please let them fix the real problems now, like the extreme lag that was introduced with the last patch. And the fact that some people can't even log into the game at all...
I really hope the deleting of all itemized BM's will solve the lag issues 
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Himani Yeshua
Caldari
PezCo - Ice Services
United Connection's
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Posted - 2006.12.05 07:29:00 -
[195]
Good luck on the deploymemt!
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Foxy PurpleHaze
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Posted - 2006.12.05 07:35:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Foxy PurpleHaze
FFS people, stop complaining about wrecks !!
They heared you, it's being changed.
Please let them fix the real problems now, like the extreme lag that was introduced with the last patch. And the fact that some people can't even log into the game at all...
I really hope the deleting of all itemized BM's will solve the lag issues
Quoting myself here
It seems the devs are trying to resolve the login problems (that i don't have myselfe btw), have a look at this thread if you have problems.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=436735&page=3
There are some comments about the lag as well.
I wish they would post that stuff in the 'EvE Information Portal' where it belongs, it's very hard to find info if they don't.
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DukeJoost1
The Last Solution Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.05 08:43:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Andala Ivi
Originally by: kieron
We are discussing a system to show whether a wreck contains a lootable item/can be salvaged, does not contain a lootable item/can be salvaged and does not contain a lootable item/cannot be salvaged (the wreck disappears). Unfortunately, we cannot include such a change in tomorrow's patch and ask for the community's patience until we can add such a system in the very near future.
That's easy:
- If the ship has loot => drop a can with a loot, otherwise don't
- If the ship can be salvaged => drop a wreck that can be salvaged, otherwise don't
Even though this might create 2 objects in some instances, I reckon the total number of objects created for the mission will be less then it currently is.
Also that would automagically solve the following problems:
- The loot window would auto-close when the loot is removed.
- The salvager wouldn't have to loot the wreck before salvaging.
Agreed !
Like I wrote earier :
Fun would be cans for loot and wreck for salvagers.
Fun would be loot automatically moved into cargohold if can within 5km, just like salvage does.
Fun would be Salvage not being chance based anymore.
Bring back the cans (and missioning fun) Tuesday.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.05 08:59:00 -
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in relation to the lag problem I want to give a little informationt hat I hope can be useful:
I often play with 2 character, currentrly one is in Gallente space, the other in Minmatar.
In the last 2 days the lag was very noticeable in Minmatar space (the number or peoples present in the system seem almost indifferent) wile lower or absent in Gallente space.
That was at the same time, with both accounts active, so it is not dependant from the timeframe of play.
Even this morning, between 6.30-7.30 EVE time, with only 15.000 or so people playng, there was a noticeable lag in Minmatar space.
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Queen Hades
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Posted - 2006.12.05 09:01:00 -
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As I see it the whole salvaging and rigs idea is a death birth, because the material requirements for rigs are, well, insanely high. It is pointless to salvage.
1. Lower the material requirements or remove that entirely from the game. 300 items for (for example) 30% passive hardener is absurd. Given a salvaging time of 10 sec per item (25% chance @ 4 salvagers) - which seems very low to me - this is still 3000 seconds (50 minutes!) of salvaging. Lower the requirements to a third of what they are now or salvaging will be a source of frustration for most of the population only.
2. Increase the npc spawn rate HEAVILY. Even in sparsely populated low sec systems you need hours atm to get a few spawns.
3. Give us back loot containers in addition to wrecks. Immersion 4tw but not at the price of usability.
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Cyclops43
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Posted - 2006.12.05 09:10:00 -
[200]
Hi Kieron
Thanks for listening and acting fast on the wreck situation.
However, that is only one of the issues that is plagueing mission runners. The other is (IMHO) far more serious, and is the ease with which a mission runner can be scanned down. This will be much worse after todays patch when the recon probe launchers are seeded.
The ease of doing this opens itself to a huge amount of grief play, all with no real possibility of getting back at the griefer. These are ALREADY happening, and will get far worse when recon launchers are introduced.
A. Griefer steals best kills (gets ownership of best loot)
B. Griefer steals mission critical kills (gets ownership of mission critical loot)
C. Griefer pops all wrecks (don't know if this flags him, but even if it does, when you attack him his corp mates swoop in and kills your mission ship).
D. Griefer steals best loot. This flags him as a thief, but if you attack him his corp mates swoop in and kills your mission ship.
E. Griefer aggro's whole spawn, and if you don't warp out in time (optimal time is to do it when you have scrambling frigs around you), you die. Griefer picks up your stuff.
Please note that this is ALREADY happening. Personally I've though about switching from mission running to this since it'll probably pay WAY better (faction/officer loot drop from mission runners is WAY better than for any NPC).
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Queen Hades
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Posted - 2006.12.05 09:16:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Cyclops43
Edited by: Cyclops43 on 05/12/2006 09:12:38
Hi Kieron
Thanks for listening and acting fast on the wreck situation.
However, that is only one of the issues that is plagueing mission runners. The other is (IMHO) far more serious, and is the ease with which a mission runner can be scanned down. This will be much worse after todays patch when the recon probe launchers are seeded.
The ease of doing this opens itself to a huge amount of grief play, all with no real possibility of getting back at the griefer. These are ALREADY happening, and will get far worse when recon launchers are introduced.
A. Griefer steals best kills (gets ownership of best loot)
B. Griefer steals mission critical kills (gets ownership of mission critical loot)
C. Griefer pops all wrecks (don't know if this flags him, but even if it does, when you attack him his corp mates swoop in and kills your mission ship).
D. Griefer steals best loot. This flags him as a thief, but if you attack him his corp mates swoop in and kills your mission ship.
E. Griefer aggro's whole spawn, and if you don't warp out in time (optimal time is to do it when you have scrambling frigs around you), you die. Griefer picks up your stuff.
Please note that this is ALREADY happening. Personally I've though about switching from mission running to this since it'll probably pay WAY better (faction/officer loot drop from mission runners is WAY better than for any NPC).
On a completely different subject, PLEASE FIX THE SAILA SYSTEM. Jump queues into the system are insane. Sometimes you wait at #22 (or whatever) for 15+ minutes before getting in.
/signed
Make mission runners unscannable please.
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Cyclops43
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Posted - 2006.12.05 09:28:00 -
[202]
Originally by: Queen Hades
Originally by: Cyclops43
My Stuff..
/signed
Make mission runners unscannable please.
I wouldn't go quite that far, but I would make only war targets scannable in empire (or something like that).
In addition, deadspace accel gates and items within deadspace/mission pockets in empire should not be scannable.
There is also a problem for low-sec mission runners, but since they're suicidal anyway, it's not my problem
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Queen Hades
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Posted - 2006.12.05 09:30:00 -
[203]
Edited by: Queen Hades on 05/12/2006 09:30:48
Originally by: Cyclops43
Originally by: Queen Hades
Originally by: Cyclops43
My Stuff..
/signed
Make mission runners unscannable please.
I wouldn't go quite that far, but I would make only war targets scannable in empire (or something like that).
In addition, deadspace accel gates and items within deadspace/mission pockets in empire should not be scannable.
There is also a problem for low-sec mission runners, but since they're suicidal anyway, it's not my problem
I agree.
@Devs
Can we have a word on that please? At the moment I will NOT (!) run missions because losing faction standings to high sec griefers is not to my liking. If this is not fixed I guess a lot of dedicated mission runners will have to reconsider playing this game.
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brakespear
Minmatar
oc3M
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Posted - 2006.12.05 09:34:00 -
[204]
Any update on the issue with player corp standings not increasing after DT? Thanks
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.05 09:35:00 -
[205]
Again wrecks and salvage:
Please give us a straight answer, as it can save a lot of time to a lot of people:
so far the only wrecks giving salvage have been the pirate factions ones and, of those, only the ships it is possible to find in belts (and PC ships wrecks, of course).
So no navy ship, no named NPC, no mercenary, no mordu, no structure, ecc. have given salvage.
It is a deliberate choice, a bug, or it is required a specific level (4+) of the salvage skill?
As some of us are returnig to the battle sites to salvage, it will be usueful to know if it is worth it.
By a role playng point of view I find hard to justify getting salvage only for a restricted % of the ships, even if I can accept that it is probably done to control the drop rate and avoid making the salvaged parts too common.
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Cyclops43
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Posted - 2006.12.05 10:46:00 -
[206]
Edited by: Cyclops43 on 05/12/2006 10:47:38
Originally by: Queen Hades
Revert to red moon rising please, the game was much more fun.
Again, I wouldn't go that far
Certainly there are some issues with Revelations atm, but I'm fairly certain that CCP are working flat out to solve them. It's always been this way with new expansions, and it takes a bit of time to solve them.
Apart from the oft-mentioned problems with some wrecks not being salvagable and the looting issue, I LIKE the rigs and wrecks concept. The materials requirements for the rigs are ridiculous though, but I sincerely hope that they are as they are because CCP has pre-nerfed them. Rigs should not be reserved for rich players.
The scanning also needed to be changed for 0.0/low-sec battles, but it has serious (probably unintended) consequences for high-sec/low-sec mission runners.
The new contracts system needs some serious work, but I think it has great potential. The region limit needs to be scrapped (unless CCP really WANTS more people in Jita), and more search limiting options added, but apart from that it looks fine.
The new map is also fine, but FFS (pardon my french) make it possible to COMPLETELY turn the zooming effect OFF. It looks fine the first and MAYBE the second time you do it, but after that it is annoying as (4-letter word).
Invention looks like it is too difficult and expensive for too little gain. Hope this is because it is pre-nerfed too.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
Ferrum Pugnus
New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.12.05 11:14:00 -
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scan probing is fine as is - ive been able to help reduce lag by picking up no fewer than 400 drones today in high traffic system its amazing the amount of drones ( t2 ones even just sitting out there waiting to be claimed)
that said also dropped in and annoyed - helped - looted and PVP some mission runners to in high sec - when i got wtf i said this game is semi PVP get used to it
These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views
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Internet Knight
Caldari
The Knighthawks
Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.05 11:22:00 -
[208]
Originally by: kieron
Patch Notes and the original post have been updated with the new additions. Additions include:
*The 'Deliver to' option in the right click menu has been removed.
LKGOQU#T(*U@#J(*TJW#FJ(*Q#UTJ)@!U#@$TY
WHAT?!
WHY??!?!?!
"Deliver To" option was awesome! Didn't have to wait for my corpmate to dock at the station for me to be able to give an item to him... it was extremely helpful if your corp is strewn across 40 jumps!
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Skippy McBuff
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Posted - 2006.12.05 11:22:00 -
[209]
Quote:
The new contracts system needs some serious work, but I think it has great potential. The region limit needs to be scrapped (unless CCP really WANTS more people in Jita), and more search limiting options added, but apart from that it looks fine.
It might look pretty, but it's hardly fine. With the window stretched to take up my whole screen I can fit maybe 16 or so entries at once, so I wind up with a scrollbar AND multiple pages. No sorting, no indication of how many total pages there are or which one I'm currently viewing.
And what good is the multiple-region search everybody wants if you have to fly there just to make a bid/purchase? I'm not going to make 20 jumps to place a bid at the start of a 7 day auction, nor even near the end if all I have to go on is "Less than a day!" Reasonable buyouts could make up for this a little, but a brief look at the actual contracts up on offer shows that most people don't seem to have a firm enough grasp of economics or auction mechanics to make it happen, and the same has held true in other games with auction systems. Given that, even the "everybody move to Jita to buy/sell!" option is out. |
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Posted - 2006.12.05 11:32:00 -
[210]
Originally by: Miss Overlord
scan probing is fine as is - ive been able to help reduce lag by picking up no fewer than 400 drones today in high traffic system its amazing the amount of drones ( t2 ones even just sitting out there waiting to be claimed)
No problem here. They'd be outside deadspace/mission pockets so not annoying anyone really.
Originally by: Miss Overlord
that said also dropped in and annoyed - helped - looted and PVP some mission runners to in high sec - when i got wtf i said this game is semi PVP get used to it
"Thus spoke the griefer".
What you're NOT considering is that not all players CONSIDER EVE to be a PVP game. There are a lot of empire dwellers who have no interest in the PVP side, but simply want to have a little fun on their own or with a group of friends.
These players provide just as valuable income to CCP as the PVP'ers do, but are constantly picked upon by the PVP'ers. There are probably more of them than there are PVP'ers though, so it'd bee foolish for CCP to disregard their playstyle. Chase them away, and there'll be so much less money to pay wages, develop new stuff, add new servers etc.
Even if their play-style is not yours, theirs is just as valid as yours!!!!! They should not be forced to play EVE 'your way', since that'll only make them find another game.
EVE has up until now had a good balance in that people could be (mostly) safe from attack and harrassment in safe empire, while the ones who wanted PVP had 0.4 and below as their playground. This catered well for both player groups, but that balance has now been destroyed.
In reality, missions are the thing 90% of empire dwellers do. Some do research, mining and/or manufacturing, but most do missions. Missions in safe empire has now been blown wide open to grief play, which is really in nobody's interest (least of all CCP) except the griefers.
NOTE: I have both empire and 0.0 characters. The 0.0 ones gets used most, since I LIKE PVP. However, I firmly believe that more players in EVE of ANY kind, makes it a better game. Thus I don't join the usual PVP'er moans about 'chasing all carebears out in 0.0 so we can pewpew them'!
Forcing players to play a game in a way they don't like will not make them do it. It'll just make them quit.
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Cyclops43
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Posted - 2006.12.05 11:39:00 -
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Edited by: Cyclops43 on 05/12/2006 11:39:56
Originally by: Skippy McBuff
Stuff about contracts..
You will note that I said it needed some serious work.
All the points you're making are correct, but that the system has some issues NOW doesn't change the fact that it does have the potential to be very good. It isn't really useful at the moment, but if CCP listen to the comments made about it and implement changes, it can end up way above the old escrow system in usability.
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Lucre
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.05 11:40:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Skippy McBuff
Quote:
The new contracts system needs some serious work, but I think it has great potential. The region limit needs to be scrapped (unless CCP really WANTS more people in Jita), and more search limiting options added, but apart from that it looks fine.
It might look pretty, but it's hardly fine. With the window stretched to take up my whole screen I can fit maybe 16 or so entries at once, so I wind up with a scrollbar AND multiple pages. No sorting, no indication of how many total pages there are or which one I'm currently viewing.
QFT. My first thought on seeing the contracts system was "very pretty but totally unfit for purpose". Escrow had its faults but at least you could look at and easily scroll through a high-density list of what's out there. All the pretty bits just waste screen space and make using it a total PITA.
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schurem
Silver Snake Enterprise
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:22:00 -
[213]
so ah, what about the white flash on jumping? patch notes dont say anything about it, or maybe i skimmed over that..
However, I still think EvE needs more and better tactical warning sounds.
<<<< No Boundaries, No Fences, Fly Free Or Die Trying >>>>
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:39:00 -
[214]
Edited by: Dr Brains on 05/12/2006 12:40:15
Will you release Scan Probe BPOs?
(snoop, fathom, spook, ferret, observator)
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Contralto
Usagi Research
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:52:00 -
[215]
Originally by: brakespear
Any update on the issue with player corp standings not increasing after DT? Thanks
A few of us have recieved replies from our petitions
Quote:
Hi, We are sorry for the inconvenience this may have caused. The problem/error that was causing this has been found and a fix has been deployed on the TQ servers. If not sooner, corporation standings should work and display correctly after the extended downtime tomorrow. Thank you for your patience. Best regards, Senior GM
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Yoshi Takeda
Caldari
YoshiEmoo
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:57:00 -
[216]
Originally by: Cyclops43
Forcing players to play a game in a way they don't like will not make them do it. It'll just make them quit.
Whole post well spoken.
I fully agree to it.
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Jock Feegle
Amarr
Games And Theory
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Posted - 2006.12.05 13:01:00 -
[217]
Originally by: Pang Grohl
Bah! Apparently I'm the only person who thinks the current wrecks system is a-ok. EVE should reward interactive multi-person plays, not solo plays.
At least the wrecks in their current state made up a little for the dumbed down travel & scanning. Hopefully escalating content will add some excitement back into EVE.
Hear ye, hear ye...
At first I didn't like it, but the more I think about it, the more I like it.
The new system rewards multiplayer interactive play, and it rewards the patient.
Seems to me that people whine because now they have to work for the reward...
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CEO Games And Theory
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Pottsey
Gallente
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2006.12.05 13:06:00 -
[218]
Why have the Yan Jung skill books still not been added to the market?
Passive shield tanking guide click here |
Cyclops43
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Posted - 2006.12.05 13:13:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Pottsey
Why have the Yan Jung skill books still not been added to the market?
Because you have to go our and find them in COSMOS areas.
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Jock Feegle
Amarr
Games And Theory
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Posted - 2006.12.05 13:16:00 -
[220]
Originally by: Cyclops43
Forcing players to play a game in a way they don't like will not make them do it. It'll just make them quit.
Well said Cyclops...
EVE Needs all kinds, including high-sec griefers. At the very least, killing a rat in a mission belonging to another player should at the very least give the missionowner aggro, so that they could blow the griefer out of space...
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Jock Feegle
CEO Games And Theory
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Yoshi Takeda
Caldari
YoshiEmoo
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Posted - 2006.12.05 13:41:00 -
[221]
Edited by: Yoshi Takeda on 05/12/2006 13:48:26
Originally by: Cyclops43
Edited by: Cyclops43 on 05/12/2006 09:12:38
Hi Kieron
Thanks for listening and acting fast on the wreck situation.
However, that is only one of the issues that is plagueing mission runners. The other is (IMHO) far more serious, and is the ease with which a mission runner can be scanned down. This will be much worse after todays patch when the recon probe launchers are seeded.
The ease of doing this opens itself to a huge amount of grief play, all with no real possibility of getting back at the griefer. These are ALREADY happening, and will get far worse when recon launchers are introduced.
A. Griefer steals best kills (gets ownership of best loot)
B. Griefer steals mission critical kills (gets ownership of mission critical loot)
C. Griefer pops all wrecks (don't know if this flags him, but even if it does, when you attack him his corp mates swoop in and kills your mission ship).
D. Griefer steals best loot. This flags him as a thief, but if you attack him his corp mates swoop in and kills your mission ship.
E. Griefer aggro's whole spawn, and if you don't warp out in time (optimal time is to do it when you have scrambling frigs around you), you die. Griefer picks up your stuff.
Please note that this is ALREADY happening. Personally I've though about switching from mission running to this since it'll probably pay WAY better (faction/officer loot drop from mission runners is WAY better than for any NPC).
On a completely different subject, PLEASE FIX THE SAILA SYSTEM. Jump queues into the system are insane. Sometimes you wait at #22 (or whatever) for 15+ minutes before getting in.
Or even consider this ....
Griefer got skill to fly Capships (Dread, Carrier or Titan) and got gang with support skill CyroField
Griefer scans for parked cap ships
Griefer takes over CapShip
Griefer Steals Capship or even worse blows up assets of other corp/alliance with stolen ship
Hope those guys owning them are capable to live without sleep - specially when they be the only ones being able to fly them.
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Jock Feegle
Amarr
Games And Theory
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Posted - 2006.12.05 13:57:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Yoshi Takeda
Or even consider this ....
Griefer got skill to fly Capships (Dread, Carrier or Titan) and got gang with support skill CyroField
Griefer scans for parked cap ships
Griefer takes over CapShip
Griefer Steals Capship or even worse blows up assets of other corp/alliance with stolen ship
Hope those guys owning them are capable to live without sleep - specially when they be the only ones being able to fly them.
Sounds like this is a 0.0 specific issue, in which case I'd have to say it's a calculated risk... in 0.0 there's no such thing as a safe spot...
But I can see how the affected corp would be VERY agitated about this yes ;)
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Jock Feegle
CEO Games And Theory
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Teis
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.05 14:03:00 -
[223]
Quote:
New programming has been added to drones. They will no longer attempt to become self-aware and will not pick random targets on their own.
They will no longer counterattack everything that attacks me first ...
or how is this to be understod ?
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Cyclops43
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Posted - 2006.12.05 14:09:00 -
[224]
Originally by: Yoshi Takeda
Or even consider this ....
Griefer got skill to fly Capships (Dread, Carrier or Titan) and got gang with support skill CyroField
Griefer scans for parked cap ships
Griefer takes over CapShip
Griefer Steals Capship or even worse blows up assets of other corp/alliance with stolen ship
Hope those guys owning them are capable to live without sleep - specially when they be the only ones being able to fly them.
If someone is stupid enough to eject from his ship ANYWHERE in space (park it as you say), they bloody well deserve to get it stolen!!!
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Cyclops43
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Posted - 2006.12.05 14:30:00 -
[225]
Edited by: Cyclops43 on 05/12/2006 14:31:40
Originally by: Jock Feegle
Originally by: Cyclops43
Forcing players to play a game in a way they don't like will not make them do it. It'll just make them quit.
Well said Cyclops...
EVE Needs all kinds, including high-sec griefers. At the very least, killing a rat in a mission belonging to another player should at the very least give the missionowner aggro, so that they could blow the griefer out of space...
Hmmm, first of all, the aggro thing will not work. If implemented this way, the number of mission griefers will grow by a factor of 10. It's the same as with can stealing really. You only steal from a miners can if you know you can get away with it, in most cases when you're sure you can kill the miner. I'm fairly sure the same would happen here. Not to mention that as soon as you attack the thief, his corp mates can attack YOU.
Secondly, I don't really agree that EVE needs griefers. A grief player by my definition is someone who is not out to win against another player, but is out to ruin another players gaming experience.
The mission runner is playing EVE in PvE mode. That is what he expects, has been used to until now, and is what he is paying for. The griefer is out to ruin this, thus possibly chasing the PvE'er away from the game.
The PvE'er has just as much right to not be forced to do PvP, as the PvP'er has the right not to be forced to do PvE.
No PvE'ers are arguing that PvP'ers should be forced to mine 50% or their time. Why can't the PvP'ers shut up about forcing the PvE'ers to do PvP.
As before said:
Originally by: Cyclops43
Forcing players to play a game in a way they don't like will not make them do it. It'll just make them quit.
Note: I do both PvE and (a lot of) PvP, and enjoy both.
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SteveIrwin69
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Posted - 2006.12.05 14:30:00 -
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Hey guys,
Just want to see a few things fixed ASAP.
1). The drone bug! This has been going on for ages now, and is bloody annoying. IS it really that difficult to stop NPC rats targetting drones for no good reason?!
2). I'm not going to bang on about the wrecks. I think we all know the genral mood on that one.
3) When are we gonna get cap booster 2s? They've been floating around on Singularity for ages now, and I'm getting sick of my well worn T1 one.
That's all, nothing too complex.
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Shemar
Gallente
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Glamour Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.05 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Teis
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New programming has been added to drones. They will no longer attempt to become self-aware and will not pick random targets on their own.
They will no longer counterattack everything that attacks me first ...
or how is this to be understod ?
I don't think that's what they are saying (hopefully).
After the last patch drones tend to:
a. ignore specific orders to attack and pick their own targets
b. while still attacking the designated target, decide to leave it and attack something else
Hopefully these are the things being changed/fixed
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.12.05 14:44:00 -
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Locking this thread in lieu of a post-patch deployment thread that will be open momentarily.
kieron
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Shemar
Gallente
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Glamour Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.05 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: SteveIrwin69
1). The drone bug! This has been going on for ages now, and is bloody annoying. IS it really that difficult to stop NPC rats targetting drones for no good reason?!
If you are referring to the fact that when you use drones, inactive NPC groups close to them will aggro them, then it's not a bug, it's a feature.
And as a heavy drone user, level 4 mission runner I say leave it there. Missions are non-challenging enough as it is.
The solutiuon is to just be careful of what your drones do and how close inactive NPCs are. Hopefully they will sort the drone bugs about drones randomly attacking so that will not be so difficult to do. Just don't use the drones if they will end up operating within 30 km or so of inactive NPC.
If that's not whan you are talking about, please elaborate.
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R0ze
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Posted - 2006.12.05 14:47:00 -
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Can somebody give me a clear answer to this (okay could test after the patch but still):
"New programming has been added to drones. They will no longer attempt to become self-aware and will not pick random targets on their own."
Does this mean drones wont attack anything on their own and in case primary (issued) target destroyed will they idle?
Does this mean if I'm attacked and loose a lock (jammed) they won't fire back?
In my opinion the preffered way (I hope it will be like this) would be that drones dont switch target untill its destroyed but afterwards if no new target is given they choose themselves..
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