you should ask your parents why they left plastic bags in your crib ;p

But what I have notied is that the incursion favor the Amarr space the most

You're missing the point of eve.

Earning isk for the sake of making more isk is just straight out dull.
Losing it in interesting ways is where the fun's at.

The high sec vs. null sec discussion does not make much sense.

It does make sense, because tons of people stopped running anoms in nullsec for isk, and went over to running incursions (and even L4's) instead when anoms were nerfed, robbing nullsec of people which is making nullsec look (and feel) even emptier than before.

It does make sense, because tons of people stopped running anoms in nullsec for isk, and went over to running incursions (and even L4's) instead when anoms were nerfed, robbing nullsec of people which is making nullsec look (and feel) even emptier than before.

It does make sense, because tons of people stopped running anoms in nullsec for isk, and went over to running incursions (and even L4's) instead when anoms were nerfed, robbing nullsec of people which is making nullsec look (and feel) even emptier than before.

Does this mean it would be safe to say, there's actually not that much to be living in nullsec, other then running anoms to keep people there?
And running anoms sounds like an repetitive task, almost mimicking what a carebear does.

You get carebears where ever you play the game but to pigeon hole high sec against null sec doesn't make any sense...It is after all where YOU have decided to play the game.

The reason why I play in high sec is becuase I know when I sign in I can have fun straight away (or at least try).... I am not BOXED into a region and the corp I am with can make isk and go loose it in null sec against the BLOB machine....

[quote=xxanjoahir]Actually, the "pidgeon hole hisec vs nullsec" does make sense, because right now, the game mechanics actively encourage me to keep just PVP chars in nullsec, and all my moneymakers in hisec. I'd rather see nullsec be more independent of hisec to the point where it would make me MORE money to stay in nullsec than in hisec (it being riskier is one reason, nullsec appearing more populous being another, and probably a more important reason).

How many times haven't you seen people whine about how much damn work it is these days to get even a single kill on a roam through 0.0? It isn't because we're ~so good~ at avoiding danger, or because it's ~so safe~ out there, it's because there's not a lot of people who are out doing belt ratting, anoms or mining, instead they mostly tend to stay docked while they play on their hisec alts. If they're logged in at all in their nullsec alts outside of FC-lead fleets, that is. .

all my moneymakers are in hisec

Surely thats an issue in null sec itself and nothing to do with high sec incursions. Poeple have come from null sec to make isk in high sec incursions...there is no doubt about that, will they now return to null sec with the anom buff?

Even when incursions occur in null sec or low sec no one goes.... NO ONE.... Not even the sov holding alliance goes to complete them...AND you complain about having no ways of making ISK depsite a site being on your door step?

I've highlighted this for a reason:



Whats wrong with that? - Null sec should be for elite PVP players - who know how to PVP AND DEFO not for people who end up leaving the game becuase they can not afford to keep loosing the ships they just spend so long saving for....

"Use what you can afford to loose" -

That is why to me Null sec versus high sec is not valid.... What is the ideal null sec that CCP is after? It certainly isnt what they have at the moment but it's not to fill it up with people whose only argument to move there in the first place is ISK/Hour...

I don't know if they've buffed them sufficiently, I don't do either because I find anoms just as exciting as shooting belt rats, and I don't do incursions because I **** pubbies in jita by doing market fuckery. I do PVP and PI in nullsec, outside of those activities I don't even undock. vOv


Last few times we've had incursions in our space, we have gone and dealt with it because it disrupts JBs. vOv


Where the **** do you get the idea that "nullsec should be for elite PVP players"? That's wrong on oh so many levels. Nullsec is where you make your own empire, and you can't have empires based on ~elite PVP~ only. You need carebears to make space feel like it's actually being lived in.

I don't see why this is such a hard concept to grasp, I want more people to be incentivized into living in nullsec instead of making money in hisec, despite the added danger, because that means that we have actually created ~a space empire~. Not just a place where we mainly do PI and moon mining, but actually a place where lots of people actually live.

And yes, that includes people whose only argument to move there in the first place is ISK/hour, who will whine like a ************ because he didn't keep an eye out on the intel channels and got caught by a roaming gang.

No one has ever explained why its less risk to run an incursion in low sec than it is in null sec. If anything those who own sov where they are running incursions have much less risk than low sec and npc null sec. .

There was a discussion of this in the mission and complexes forum.

Based on that discussion it appears you can make 170mil-250 mill per hour in high sec. (assuming a 2.5k return on lp)

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=486605#post486605


I don't think the division should be between empire and null sec but between high sec and everywhere else.

No one has ever explained why its less risk to run an incursion in low sec than it is in null sec. If anything those who own sov where they are running incursions have much less risk than low sec and npc null sec.

I think high sec payouts should be nerfed - maybe no lp payout. Low sec and null sec should be treated equally.

a great form of PVP,

An incursion fleet takes quite some effort, you have to find a fleet which can take a while some times, and if you're in one you have to hope youGÇÖre in a good one especially with a shiny ship.

Incursions are now fine after the expansion because CCP greatly increase the ISK sink of the game.

Too many people getting caught up with the whole argument of more isk in empire discussion...

Nerfing something isn't always the answer...buffing something is also good for the game.

So far its been an argument from null sec saying "its empty becuase most have moved to empire for more isk/hour...by removing/nerfing high sec incursions it will force more people back to null sec and more targets"...

High secers are replying saying "becuase we want to play the game in high sec we are condemned to not enjoying the game as much as null sec dwellers" - counter argument of "more isk for those incursion in null / low sec"...

And a suggestion that LP's are removed for High sec incursions....

Miss anything?