I think you agree that there seems to be no reason to think low sec incursions are less risky than null sec incursions.

CCP always pretends that the risk gets worse gradually as the sec status of a system goes down. But in reality the risk basically just hits a cliff when you go from .5 to .4. The more they acknowledge this the more balanced the game will be.

Actually, it depends where in nullsec or lowsec the incursion is. If it's right outside of hisec, then at least travelling to the edge of the incursion can be done in relative safety, whereas if it's deep in nullsec, we're talking about lots of space where bad things can happen. So I'd say it depends.

But yes, just the act of going from 0.5 to 0.4 dramatically increases the risk you put your ship in.

But when its deep in your own sov null sec its relatively safe as compared to low sec where neutrals are constantly coming in and out and there is no way to control it.

0.0 guys have the chance to do them.

Also 0.0 pay is almost twice the high sec pay.

So why is 0.0 people complaining?

Yes, but it's not something that swings by your space whenever you need it, so it's not a reliable source of income, in fact chances are it'll be more annoying for the rest of the populace who don't feel like running incursions because whole systems are cynojammed etc.

It gets worse when that happens right in the middle of an invasion.

I think the risk in low sec is at least 2xs as it is in high sec. Yet i don't think they get the same rewards as null sec. Sov null sec I don't know if there is much risk there if you are deep in your own territory.

Its hard to argue that 166-247 mill per hour in high sec isn't a bit high.

I mean its either too high, too low, or just right. I suppose those who don't think the rewards should be nerfed are claiming its "just right." Or is anyone claiming that high sec incursions need to have the an increase in their pay??

What do you think?

low sec is risky because goons and test actually do those regularly to make isk. however for the most part low sec incursion running woudl be almost as safe as high sec.

1. Systems are cyno jammed so no hot drops cept from black ops, but you wouldnt want to gank an incursion site with recons and black ops.

2. you still have local.

3. if you run 1-2 heavy on logi and you will discourage most gankers.

Low sec payouts are the same as null due to the risk factor.

I think you'll find that the main reason the NC fell was because their leadership was absent, their fleet doctrines were ****, and a lot of their good FCs had left. Last I checked, they were the bigger blob. They were less organized and less willing to toss supers into the fire towards the end of that war, but they were bigger.

The only reason IT's invasion of the north failed was because the whole southern coalition was a disjointed rabblegang which tried to headshot h-w well before the NC's fighting spirit had been thoroughly broken. If they'd been more organized and kept their **** together better, the NC would've been killed off long before it finally was.

Factory mechanics?

Those mechanics are one of the major reasons the map is currently as stable as it is. It has nothing to do with why people aren't living there.

Everyone posting here against Incursion rewards are retards.

No risk? You crazy...

3 Logis are needed to keep a fleet alive meaning the amount of incoming DPS is huge. No risk pfft....grow up.

The better fleets are few and far between, Getting the better fleets together takes time and preparation. Why shouldn't people be allowed to make good isk in high sec? Is there some law against it?

Alot of Incursion runners are null sec alts making isk for the null sec operations. Building titans and super isn't cheap for any alliance and at least this way it's legit.

Unlike the RMT that goes down in the big alliances in null to fund operations

Oops did I say that?

That CCP know about and do nothing..

Oops did I say that too

Because of the above I don't think CCP will dull these down because it goes towards CCPs end game.

0.0 pew pew

Those mechanics are the reason why people are bored with stagnation... Every sanctum being occupied

The very reason why your 11 man incursion fleets would rather run High sec incursions than pay your eco systems a visit - who wants to have a 11 man fleet destoryed buy your 60 man blobs...

The real problem created by Incursions is inflation. This problem has a well known solution; more Isk sinks. More Isk sinks where Isk disappears into a black hole never to return. Incursions are a giant Isk fountain atm, nerfing them will make people mad, but creating an Isk sink with something people want (see Tier 3 Battlecruiser BPOs) is inevitably a better solution.

More Isk has it's advantages too, people have more money to get their Pew Pew on. Running Incurisons for an hour will let you buy a T2 fit Hurricane/Drake/whatever to go loose in a glorious fire in low/null sec, which in my eyes can only be a good thing.

Oh, really?

The very reason why your 11 man incursion fleets would rather run High sec incursions than pay your eco systems a visit - who wants to have a 11 man fleet destoryed buy your 60 man blobs...
...60 is a blob now?

the problem with the incursions i a hughe problem. and it just feels wrong when you keep in mind that a 5 month old player buys a mothership or titan character because he dont know what to do with the isk. and yes i do incursions myself. all the ******* day.

Did I say "overcrowded sanctums"?

No. I did not. I'll doublecheck with the jews in GSF just to make sure, but I'm sitting in one of the better jew centrals in deklein and I hardly ever see any drama over the anoms, so I think I'm on pretty solid ground when I say that I strongly doubt there's any overcrowding in sanctums. For some reason, belts cause more drama.

Get a job

Wouldnt the game be a better place if they all had truesec status like deklien..

.... that huge expanse of poorly defended space....