Dear CCP

I have been hearing amongst the channels that you may be "Down" grading Incursions or even doing away with them all together.

I just wanted to spill this on the forums to see if anyone can come out tell us the situation with Incursions and there plans.

Personally: They are a fantastic addition to the game, a great form of PVP, and an element of the game that is incredibly enjoyable.

My feeling (and I bet amongst a lot of other people) is: Leave them alone..

well they nerf'd 0.0 grunt income one the whim of some idiot(yes you ccp greyscale), and effectivly made a lot of 0.0 worthless, its only fair they nerf empire incursions to the same level as empire mission running.

the isk/h for Vanguards is wrong and i dont mean a little wrong i mean ******* stupidly wrong. ill pointout at this point that i have actually run soem incursions and making 80-100mil an hour is nice and all, but that much in empire is plain wrong

Point taken and in reply:

People whose "end game" is not to play the game in null sec loose a massive chunk of income. Do they not have the right to make ISK and a reasonable fast pace? By that I mean these type of people may only play the game for a few hours..

People talk about risk versus reward - from a experience null sec pilot, you get yourself a quiet system and there is no risk.

The VG sites although are completed easily - they are still a lot harded than the rats you kill in null sec.

edit: and to complete them you require running a fleet with people you do not know. Isn't that the fundamentals of what eve is built on, the "sandbox"?

there shouldnt be that much isk avalible in high sec as easily as it is. thats the fundimental point, its not about end game its all about risk reward. there is no risk in running vanguards. if you want to fleet up with people you dont know, that is a seprate issue tbh. the inflation in the price of almost everything currently is caused by to much isk being pumpped out from incursions. its trillions of isk daily.
in 0.0 you get 1 guy in a system running anoms, he will make 20mil every 20mins. you get 10 people in that 1 system they will make less than 10mil every 20mins. in incursions you can have 60 people in the same system earning 10mil every 6-10mins. that is wrong. they should reduce the vg pay out by around 60% to bring it into line, lp can stay the same for all that matters.

There is more risk running incursions than there is running rats / anom sites in null sec if you want to achieve the 100m p/hour you speak of. It is only capable if you have invested already in a shiny ship and you are able to go from one site to the next as you complete them. That is not the case.. with most VG systems hitting more than 100 people, each site is attracting 3 fleets, every VG fleet is looking for the 2bil Mach, Bhaag, Vindi - i do not see people investing more than 200m in a ratting boat.... RISK versus REWARD right there.

a great form of PVP,

Stop saying it needs removal. It doesn't need removal, it's probably the closest tons of hisec people would ever get to running in a small and competently (...I hope...) led fleet. If anything, all that needs to be done is reduction in payouts and possibly a modification to reduce the farmability of the incursion itself.

But never, ever, say that it needs to be removed, until there's a better replacement somewhere that is as good at enticing people in hisec to form together into fleets and learn how to survive in them. If we're lucky, they'll go "You know, I like playing in fleets, but I want to make people cry, too. I'm going to low/nullsec."

Also, for those who are talking about 2 bil mach, bhaag, vindi etc, these boats are overkill for the job and does not need to be there. The last time I did a mothership incursion in lowsec, I did it in a maelstrom, and I had absolutely no problems whatsoever. You have just the same amount of risk as you would doing missions or just travelling back and forth in empire in the same ship.

Also, for ratting/running anoms, I don't suppose you've heard of the concept of awoxers.

High Sec Incursions are OP IMO due to the low risk and high reward.

So far I have heard:

1) I have to have a shiny ship to get in a HS incursion fleet thats my risk

Umm no, you need that ship to be chosen not to actually run them. Ships under 800m are completely capable of doing incursions.

2) Im fleeting with people I dont know is risk

And you can do them with people you know, which more often then none is what happens. You find a good group of people and you run the sites with them over and over

3) I have to compete for the sites before I can get money

Um yea duh, just like everything else in eve, moons, exploration, anoms, etc

4)0.0 is less risky if you find a quiet pocket.

Maybe if you are in a big alliance, try going to NPC space and saying that. I dont care if the system is empty Im always on high alert running an anom. The fact that all they need to do is be a half decent dscanner they can locate an anom runner easily.

5) But people want to gank me in incursions!

Yes, also in jita too!



TLDR: Put incursions in low sec and null only

Nerf high sec Incursions rewards

There is more risk running incursions than there is running rats / anom sites in null sec if you want to achieve the 100m p/hour you speak of. It is only capable if you have invested already in a shiny ship and you are able to go from one site to the next as you complete them. That is not the case.. with most VG systems hitting more than 100 people, each site is attracting 3 fleets, every VG fleet is looking for the 2bil Mach, Bhaag, Vindi - i do not see people investing more than 200m in a ratting boat.... RISK versus REWARD right there.

Here we go .... again

Nullbears...
Stay away from highsec afairs..

And.... nerf sanctums... Nullbears are earning to mutch

Here we go .... again

Nullbears...
Stay away from highsec afairs..

And.... nerf sanctums... Nullbears are earning to mutch

Got a figure to go with that allegation?

Nothing else than hearing nullbears say :
Weeee....
Look at all those ratts now... and theyr bonties... sweeeet....
And all that loot.... weee....
They sounds happy.... we cant have that

Nothing else than hearing nullbears say :
Weeee....
Look at all those ratts now... and theyr bonties... sweeeet....
And all that loot.... weee....
They sounds happy.... we cant have that