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Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.08.27 12:20:51 -
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Webvan wrote:[quote=Jeremiah Saken][quote=Webvan ] People are going to have a hard time with it when PLEX hits say 1.3b this year, or more, likely more, even though they could easily just pay a sub/s but just refuse to out of some sort of entitlement.
+1
"But but but, it exists, and I exist, therefore I am entitled to it even though I don't want to work for it!!!" Sorry if my 'entitlement-ese' is rusty there, it's been a while (kindergarten) since I thought someone owed me something just because 
I had a discussion with a dude over comms a while back while flying in a NPSI fleet. He was talking about PLEX prices and how they are 'so unfair to casual players who don't have much time and was poor because they wer ein college or something.
I tried to explain to the...Wise Gentleperson... that PLEX was basically a trade: People who have time (and like doing PVE or market stuff or at least don't mind it) trade that time to people with less time (and/or less preference for pve stuff) but who have more money.
Why the flying flap-jacks does a poor busy college student fit into there? Well, I told himi that the place he personally fits is called "a 15 dollar subscription". 15 dollars over the course of a month is COUCH CHANGE. It's finding 2 quarters, or 50 pennies every day for a month and putting that towards a video game subscription. There are water fountains in parks you can do to and it you are willing to make a 'reverse-wish' (lol) you can play EVE. Hell, you could just move to Chicago, learn to play music and spend one hour per months making an EVE sub.
But somehow, people think plex should be somethign available damn near for free for everyone. The main culprit in plex prices in CCP, they made a game where it's easy as hell to make space money, THEN they kept stuffing it with even easier ways to amke space money. When i started, 2o-30 mil per hour was 'good isk' Now it I ain't making at least 130 mil per hour, I can't even be arsed to get out of virtual bed.
Y'll plex complainers want lower plex prices? Convince CCP to lower of get rid of some of these ridiculously easy PVE rewards. |
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
328
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Posted - 2015.08.27 12:47:19 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:I think the guy on 30PLEX/month might be talking about expendable income, or perhaps his student/social support budget.
If not, I hope he manages IRL to find a more profitable job, as that is indeed very low for western standards of living, and I hope he can nonetheless play EVE alongside that, as a beloved, fun and affordable hobby. So many nights EVE has saved me from going out and killing my budget in bars...
It's an average monthly salary in my country. Lucky I don't have kids, yet. It's abyss we are talking here (everything east from German border). It doesn't mean I live under the bridge . Think about Russians now, their currency is falling to dangerous levels.
Jenn aSide wrote:Y'll plex complainers want lower plex prices? Convince CCP to lower of get rid of some of these ridiculously easy PVE rewards.
CCP just increased them last patch (null pve changes). Anyway there are many ways to earn good money, few ways to spend it. I will propably change from PLEX to subscription in the future. Currently I have no items to spend on all that ISK I literally find.
"-What are you doing?"
"-Docking."(...)
-"It's not possible"
-"No, it's necessary."
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2015.08.27 12:52:26 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:It's an average monthly salary in my country. Lucky I don't have kids, yet. It's abyss we are talking here (everything east from German border). It doesn't mean I live under the bridge . Think about Russians now, their currency is falling to dangerous levels.
I see.
I hope you manage to find a way to fund your hobby.
Good luck and good fortune to you, Eastern EVE broski!
(Tip: Try your luck at some of the raffles by EVE Twitch streamers. I won a Kestral skin today worth about 200mil which will certainly help towards my next PLEX).
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
2136
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Posted - 2015.08.27 12:53:05 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
Y'all plex complainers want lower plex prices? Convince CCP to lower or get rid of some of these ridiculously easy PVE rewards.
Technically, they could also make the game worse to push plexers out of it. Then it should go down.  |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2015.08.27 13:12:26 -
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Yep, they just need tp listen to some of these daily GD threads on eve is dying and reset server naow and how to fix eve etc. Then in no time PLEXers will be dropping like flies and CCP can go back to making board games.
I'm in it for the money
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
328
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Posted - 2015.08.27 13:15:32 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:I see.
I hope you manage to find a way to fund your hobby.
Good luck and good fortune to you, Eastern EVE broski!
It's not that bad. 2,5 year of playing, toon with 45mil SP, and experience how to make ISK.
I don't have expenses, no alts, no pvp, so everything I earn-in game may be spend on PLEX. When not, paid time is not a big deal.
There's a huge inflation right, now caused by many factors. Still there are enough ISK to grab.
"-What are you doing?"
"-Docking."(...)
-"It's not possible"
-"No, it's necessary."
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
12240
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Posted - 2015.08.27 13:17:43 -
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Webvan wrote:Yep, they just need tp listen to some of these daily GD threads on eve is dying and reset server naow and how to fix eve etc. Then in no time PLEXers will be dropping like flies and CCP can go back to making board games.
The second most supreme irony I've ever seen in the game is the fact that most people's suggestions to save the game would actually end up killing it lol.
I say second because the 1st most supreme Irony is Dominion and now Aegis, systems that were supposed to 'open up' null to small groups of people that instead spawned 'blue donuts' and stagnation lol. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
2275
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Posted - 2015.08.27 15:38:04 -
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When I was paying a monthly subscription in South Africa, due to the exchange rate, it was the same expense as a week of groceries.
Now it is a bus ticket and a cider at the pub in the UK.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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ArmyOfMe
Hull Breach.
The Brew Crew.
437
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Posted - 2015.08.27 16:04:40 -
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Might have something to do with plex prices spiking at 1,1b.
I know that two of my subs are running out and wont be renewed anytime soon.
QUOTE CCP Dolan and the EVE Online development team:-áThe battle was relatively even for some time with CFC and Russian forces holding moderate lead at first and only have a slight lead in Titan kills. Then came a turning point in the battle. Manfred Sideous, the initial Fleet Commander for PL/N3, handed over command to the CEO of Northern Coalition., Vince Draken
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ArmyOfMe
Hull Breach.
The Brew Crew.
437
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Posted - 2015.08.27 16:10:24 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Astral Azizora wrote:Thanks to PLEX price this is one more account that won't be renewed in less than two weeks when my time is up. You can't make 40 mil per day? Really?
Isnt it more a question of having to do it every day, rather then doing the fun things in eve?
Plus ppl have more then one or two accounts often.
QUOTE CCP Dolan and the EVE Online development team:-áThe battle was relatively even for some time with CFC and Russian forces holding moderate lead at first and only have a slight lead in Titan kills. Then came a turning point in the battle. Manfred Sideous, the initial Fleet Commander for PL/N3, handed over command to the CEO of Northern Coalition., Vince Draken
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Bellatrix Invicta
The Conference Elite
CODE.
294
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Posted - 2015.08.27 16:12:04 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Astral Azizora wrote:Thanks to PLEX price this is one more account that won't be renewed in less than two weeks when my time is up. You can't make 40 mil per day? Really? Isnt it more a question of having to do it every day, rather then doing the fun things in eve? Plus ppl have more then one or two accounts often.
That's the thing.
You dont HAVE to do it every day. You don't HAVE to PLEX your account to play. Quit making it a grinder; it's only you doing it.
If you think you've won, think again.
The CODE always wins.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
515
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Posted - 2015.08.27 16:12:34 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Astral Azizora wrote:Thanks to PLEX price this is one more account that won't be renewed in less than two weeks when my time is up. You can't make 40 mil per day? Really? Isnt it more a question of having to do it every day, rather then doing the fun things in eve? Plus ppl have more then one or two accounts often.
And most people can't exactly log in every single day, and sit uninterrupted for an hour each day either.
Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
2143
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Posted - 2015.08.27 16:16:29 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Astral Azizora wrote:Thanks to PLEX price this is one more account that won't be renewed in less than two weeks when my time is up. You can't make 40 mil per day? Really? Isnt it more a question of having to do it every day, rather then doing the fun things in eve? Plus ppl have more then one or two accounts often.
Then do 80 every other day?
And multiple account should also multiply your income rate... |
Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
515
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Posted - 2015.08.27 16:31:01 -
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Bellatrix Invicta wrote:ArmyOfMe wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Astral Azizora wrote:Thanks to PLEX price this is one more account that won't be renewed in less than two weeks when my time is up. You can't make 40 mil per day? Really? Isnt it more a question of having to do it every day, rather then doing the fun things in eve? Plus ppl have more then one or two accounts often. That's the thing. You dont HAVE to do it every day. You don't HAVE to PLEX your account to play. Quit making it a grinder; it's only you doing it.
And that is the truth. You don't have to plex. If the game isn't worth spending the real life money to play, then don't play.
Plex is a crutch designed by CCP to keep you in the game even after you don't feel it is really worth the money to keep playing. Smart, but very much so a problem as well.
Plex is pay to win, or at least Pay to fail harder. Plex keeps people around who otherwise wouldn't be here, for better or worse. And Plex has led to instability in certain markets because of isk redistribution between classes of players.
Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
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Salvos Rhoska
1276
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Posted - 2015.08.27 16:41:40 -
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PLEX, if you can.
Sub, if you cant.
Reduce accounts, if necessary, accordingly.
Profit is not the end all of EVE.
Its just a means to an end (even if that is more profit).
Whats important, is you find a way for you to enjoy the experience the game offers.
Inversly, thats always been EVEs Achilles heel and at the same time, its greatest strength.
YOU decide.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
2306
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Posted - 2015.08.27 19:40:36 -
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The monthly sub model is as dated and useless as on the shelf game boxes.
CCP needs to appeal to players that can only spend $1 and a few hours a month and those that want to spend $1000's a month if they want subs to grow again.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
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Britney Fears
Gungnam Style
0
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Posted - 2015.08.27 19:55:20 -
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Hyperdunking made me quit eve.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
12254
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Posted - 2015.08.27 19:56:32 -
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Sentamon wrote:The monthly sub model is as dated and useless as on the shelf game boxes.
CCP needs to appeal to players that can only spend $1 and a few hours a month and those that want to spend $1000's a month if they want subs to grow again.
I would give my right....(checks body parts) ....Arm for "PLEX coins" ie 1 1day/1week pilot licenses. |
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
455
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Posted - 2015.08.27 19:59:44 -
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Coined alts? Once again, that would make it a plexed multibox game. Need to move caps, I will spend two dollars on my cyno alt/hauler whatever instead of having a multiplayer system. |
Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
4319
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Posted - 2015.08.27 20:00:57 -
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Britney Fears wrote:Hyperdunking made me quit eve.
Evidently not.
Because sometimes you die. And sometimes we are why. GSLLC is Recruiting.
Grrr I tell you. Grrr.
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
569
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Posted - 2015.08.27 20:01:58 -
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Markus Reese wrote:Coined alts? Once again, that would make it a plexed multibox game. Need to move caps, I will spend two dollars on my cyno alt/hauler whatever instead of having a multiplayer system.
Those alts would create content though. |
Britney Fears
Gungnam Style
0
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Posted - 2015.08.27 20:06:00 -
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Azda Ja wrote:Britney Fears wrote:Hyperdunking made me quit eve.
Evidently not.
Just lurking the forums 'till my subscription runs out.
If by any miracle I get reimbursed. most likelly not, I will stick around. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1567
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Posted - 2015.08.27 20:10:18 -
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Sentamon wrote:The monthly sub model is as dated and useless as on the shelf game boxes.
CCP needs to appeal to players that can only spend $1 and a few hours a month and those that want to spend $1000's a month if they want subs to grow again.
The monthly sub model, combined with expansions coming from that same expense, actually keeps me here in a way. I know that whatever functions the game has to offer are available for me to use in their entirety and further that there aren't restrictions imposed or experiences degraded for the simple point of attaching a price point to removing them (notwithstanding advantages of multi-account ownership/dual training).
There is no certainty that eve can strike an appealing $1/month experience with the game functioning as it does while leaving room for $1000/month opportunities. |
Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
569
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Posted - 2015.08.27 20:12:52 -
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Britney Fears wrote:Azda Ja wrote:Britney Fears wrote:Hyperdunking made me quit eve.
Evidently not. Just lurking the forums 'till my subscription runs out. If by any miracle I get reimbursed. most likelly not, I will stick around.
The killboards show nothing. So I have to agree with Azda Ja: evidently not.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1567
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Posted - 2015.08.27 20:14:54 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:The killboards show nothing. So I have to agree with Azda Ja: evidently not.
In a forum rife with posting alts I'm surprised at the thought a posting characters KB means much of anything. |
Sonya Corvinus
Chickenhawk.
139
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Posted - 2015.08.27 20:28:38 -
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I never understood someone grinding to PLEX accounts. I pay $36/mo for three accounts ATM, I can 'grid' $36 IRL in an hour. How long would it take me to grind 3 bil ISK in game? A hell of a lot longer.
If I have enough ISK to buy a PLEX then I will save myself the $ IRL, but grinding in game specifically to buy PLEX? No thanks. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
1492
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Posted - 2015.08.27 20:37:42 -
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Britney Fears wrote:Hyperdunking made me quit eve.
Well, if you are quitting Eve over the loss of a few imaginary items that only exist in a database somewhere then clearly you did not enjoy the game.
Best of luck in finding a game or pass-time you do enjoy. |
Odie McCracken
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2015.08.27 20:40:19 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:I never understood someone grinding to PLEX accounts. I pay $36/mo for three accounts ATM, I can 'grid' $36 IRL in an hour. How long would it take me to grind 3 bil ISK in game? A hell of a lot longer.
If I have enough ISK to buy a PLEX then I will save myself the $ IRL, but grinding in game specifically to buy PLEX? No thanks.
Quiet, they think they're playing for free :) :) |
Koebmand
Silverflames
46
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Posted - 2015.08.27 20:43:34 -
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Subs makes good games.
P2W does not - yes PLEX sucks, wish they would remove it from game. |
Avvy
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
119
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Posted - 2015.08.27 20:47:02 -
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Koebmand wrote:Subs makes good games.
P2W does not - yes PLEX sucks, wish they would remove it from game.
PLEX is here to stay, too much of a money spinner.
But anyway more games are starting to do similar.
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