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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.09.22 21:34:41 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:We're talking about consequences though, right? So the consequence of ganking is that you might lose a ship you aim to lose No, the consequence is that you fail to do what you came there to do. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mission_kill
Quote:Except it never happens, and never could happen. It rarely happens because players choose to not make it happen. There is absolutely nothing that keeps it from happening, and mechanics make it entirely possible to stop a ganker. You see, if they don't have a ship, they can't kill anything. Job done.
It can happen; it does happen; it prevents kills. Suggesting otherwise is nothing but sheer pigheaded ignorance of reality.
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2015.09.22 21:43:16 -
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The far far majority of players never leave hi sec.
The far far majority of updates are only for nullsec.
These 2 facts show whoever makes decisions here is real dumb.
Is it really a surprise people are leaving when the majority is ignored for the minority?
This HAS to be Iceland thinking because this nonsense wouldn't make sense anywhere else. Congrats guys you just dev'd yourself out of jobs, oh yea, that's your future. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26240
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Posted - 2015.09.22 21:44:44 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:The far far majority of players never leave hi sec.
The far far majority of updates are only for nullsec. Do you have any data to actually prove this?
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Cancel Align NOW
Maas Industries
592
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Posted - 2015.09.22 21:47:50 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Except it never happens, and never could happen. Mechanics are weighted so that it's impossible to actually stop a ganker. Sure, you might get the odd white knight volley one off the field in a blob, but even a half awake ganker is guaranteed to reach their target.
It is not the weight of the mechanics which limit white knighting. It is the play style choice of those involved. The ideal gank target is a solo player with no interest in shooting others. Such a player will probably not have the inclination to learn how to track -10s locations and make them targets. There is much misinformation about how one can hurt gankers in anti ganking channels.
Please note I am not saying that when one is ganked they should fight back nor implying it is their own fault, I am just saying anyone can use the game mechanics to their own end and my observation is that some use the mechanics more than others. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
3975
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Posted - 2015.09.22 22:16:11 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Except it never happens, and never could happen. Mechanics are weighted so that it's impossible to actually stop a ganker. Sure, you might get the odd white knight volley one off the field in a blob, but even a half awake ganker is guaranteed to reach their target. It is not the weight of the mechanics which limit white knighting. It is the play style choice of those involved. The ideal gank target is a solo player with no interest in shooting others. Such a player will probably not have the inclination to learn how to track -10s locations and make them targets. There is much misinformation about how one can hurt gankers in anti ganking channels. Please note I am not saying that when one is ganked they should fight back nor implying it is their own fault, I am just saying anyone can use the game mechanics to their own end and my observation is that some use the mechanics more than others.
The net result of the existing mechanics is that a PvPr can avoid playing as PvErs do, but a PvEr can not avoid playing as PvPrs do. Why?
My suggestion is to allow PvE earn means to PvP (like, hiring friendly NPCs) so everyone can play the same game in their own way.
It should be:
"Have you been PvP'ed? OK, now PvE in X way that will force the agressor to either PvE or suffer meaningful consequences."
Not:
"Have you been PvP'ed? Well now quit PvE'ing you punk and start PvP'ing or suffer the damned consequences"
CCP calls that "the sandbox", but I'd rather call it "used cat litter".
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6814
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Posted - 2015.09.22 22:40:10 -
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It just makes them reship. I've ganked a lot and even with knights guarding the gates I've never thought "Well this is slowing me down".
In all honesty, I just don't see the player imposed consequences for ganking being in line with other player imposed consequences. There's just nothing for a disposable alt to really lose.
Cancel Align NOW wrote:It is not the weight of the mechanics which limit white knighting. It is the play style choice of those involved. The ideal gank target is a solo player with no interest in shooting others. Such a player will probably not have the inclination to learn how to track -10s locations and make them targets. There is much misinformation about how one can hurt gankers in anti ganking channels.
Please note I am not saying that when one is ganked they should fight back nor implying it is their own fault, I am just saying anyone can use the game mechanics to their own end and my observation is that some use the mechanics more than others. Even with full white knight intel and assistance, it still doesn't really change the landscape at all. Gankers just shoot someone else if the target is likely to be saved or just gank it anyway since the difference nights makes is minimal. I've been on both sides of it and firmly believe that defending a gank target is ridiculously more challenging than ganking one. Just getting on grid within the window is more challenging than ganking.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26246
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Posted - 2015.09.22 22:55:01 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:It just makes them reship. Mission successful; consequence imposed.
Quote:In all honesty, I just don't see the player imposed consequences for ganking being in line with other player imposed consequences. There's just nothing for a disposable alt to really lose. GǪexcept the most valuable thing in the game: time.
Quote:Even with full white knight intel and assistance, it still doesn't really change the landscape at all. Gankers just shoot someone else if the target is likely to be saved or just gank it anyway since the difference nights makes is minimal. So their sitting around and not getting a gank because no viable target presents itself is not a change in the landscape? Trying anyway and failing because the entirely viable and effective defences proved viable and effective does not change the landscape?
At this point, I would suggest that you scrape a nail against your window because I have a sneaking suspicion that what you think is the landscape is just some highly impressionistic painting of an unrelated scene that someone's taped down on the glass for a larkGǪ
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
14451
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Posted - 2015.09.22 23:05:54 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: My suggestion is to allow PvE earn means to PvP (like, hiring friendly NPCs) so everyone can play the same game in their own way.
Your suggestion is a heinous, anti sandbox mechanic that would pretty much destroy the game. What you want is to never have to leave your little bubble, where you can effect others by just farming red crosses all day with zero effort. You want to remove any semblance of a burden of effort towards yourself, in one of the single most selfish things I have ever seen proposed on a video game forum.
Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe it.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Arthur Hannigen
13
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Posted - 2015.09.22 23:44:29 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
The "play my way" thing is stupid and you should know that. I've never told anyone to play like me. Go a head and link the post where I have told someone "you should do nothing but run anomalies, sometimes taking a break with incursions and lvl 5 missions and a little bit of pvp with your buddies".
What is the difference between telling people how to play and telling people how not to play? These forums are littered with your posts of how people are "playing Eve Wrong" If that isn't trying to shape their behavior to the way YOU want, I don't know what is. That you don't understand is not hard to believe. So you think telling someone "hey dude, you should tank your ship or maybe mine in a defensive group because CODE exists, and if you don't take precautions, you only have your self to blame, this is EVE" is somehow wrong? The people I tell that too think they are entitled to safety. I'm not telling people to play my way, i'm say " recognize the reality of your own situation and choices". It seems that for both you and Kell, the mere ideas of self awareness and personal responsibly are foreign concepts. That makes your way of thinking utterly foriegn (and stupid) to me. That isn't what I am talking about and you know it. You have consistently told people that playing solo in highsec is wrong and that their playstyle should be abolished. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. You are a liar. Link a single post where I said that. Actually, on many occasions you have expressed dislike for high sec solo play, how stupid it is, and how it's wrong. |
Cancel Align NOW
Maas Industries
593
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Posted - 2015.09.22 23:50:57 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Except it never happens, and never could happen. Mechanics are weighted so that it's impossible to actually stop a ganker. Sure, you might get the odd white knight volley one off the field in a blob, but even a half awake ganker is guaranteed to reach their target. It is not the weight of the mechanics which limit white knighting. It is the play style choice of those involved. The ideal gank target is a solo player with no interest in shooting others. Such a player will probably not have the inclination to learn how to track -10s locations and make them targets. There is much misinformation about how one can hurt gankers in anti ganking channels. Please note I am not saying that when one is ganked they should fight back nor implying it is their own fault, I am just saying anyone can use the game mechanics to their own end and my observation is that some use the mechanics more than others. The net result of the existing mechanics is that a PvPr can avoid playing as PvErs do, but a PvEr can not avoid playing as PvPrs do. Why? My suggestion is to allow PvE earn means to PvP (like, hiring friendly NPCs) so everyone can play the same game in their own way. It should be: "Have you been PvP'ed? OK, now PvE in X way that will force the agressor to either PvE or suffer meaningful consequences." Not: "Have you been PvP'ed? Well now quit PvE'ing you punk and start PvP'ing or suffer the damned consequences" CCP calls that "the sandbox", but I'd rather call it "used cat litter".
Sounds like a great idea that would work hand in hand with the removal of concord. |
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1524
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Posted - 2015.09.22 23:55:13 -
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Player A: PvP is sociopathic and PvE is relaxing and and a way to wind down. Player B: PvP is competive and challenging whilst PvE is a mindless grind.
The argument is pointless the two player types have totally different personality traits and perspectives and will never agree.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12452
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Posted - 2015.09.23 00:22:35 -
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Arthur Hannigen wrote: Actually, on many occasions you have expressed dislike for high sec solo play, how stupid it is, and how it's wrong.
Go ahead and link a post then, where I used the word "WRONG" about something someone was doing in high sec. I know lots of good players in high sec, I play in high sec (incursions) from time to time. I dislike a subset of the high sec population that whines, but they aren't unique, in fact they are just like people in null who whine about AFK cloaking.
Stupid and Wrong are 2 different things, and a player doesn't have t be in high sec to do something stupid of hold a stupid opinion. If you can't understand what I'm saying, ask for clarification.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
14452
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Posted - 2015.09.23 00:24:49 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Player A: PvP is sociopathic and PvE is relaxing and and a way to wind down. Player B: PvP is competive and challenging whilst PvE is a mindless grind.
The argument is pointless the two player types have totally different personality traits and perspectives and will never agree.
Except that the two ideas are not equivalent. Most especially, not when you're playing an explicitly PvP game.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Arthur Hannigen
13
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Posted - 2015.09.23 00:29:11 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Arthur Hannigen wrote: Actually, on many occasions you have expressed dislike for high sec solo play, how stupid it is, and how it's wrong.
Go ahead and link a post then, where I used the word "WRONG" about something someone was doing in high sec. I know lots of good players in high sec, I play in high sec (incursions) from time to time. I dislike a subset of the high sec population that whines, but they aren't unique, in fact they are just like people in null who whine about AFK cloaking. Stupid and Wrong are 2 different things, and a player doesn't have t be in high sec to do something stupid of hold a stupid opinion. If you can't understand what I'm saying, ask for clarification. Sure, just a quick search with the right keywords yields this right here:
Jenn aSide wrote:That really is for me the source of my dislike. Do things as you please, but don't complain when you find yourself suffering the consequences of playing the game wrong lol.
You also went ahead and pretty much implied it's stupid here:
Quote:yea, you can play "solo" in EVE, you bet. I can walk across the moon without a space suit, ding so wouldn't be the smartest thing to do lol.
All from here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2120213#post2120213
But here's the thing. You'll probably claim it's been taken out of context or that isn't really what you meant, or [insert whatever excuse here]. Bottom line is you did say it, and you do mean it. Really there is nothing new here. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
14452
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Posted - 2015.09.23 00:32:09 -
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Arthur Hannigen wrote:You'll probably claim it's been taken out of context
Hell I'll do that right now. I read through the whole thread, and I'll be the first to say that you have your head up your ass.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Arthur Hannigen
13
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Posted - 2015.09.23 00:34:40 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Arthur Hannigen wrote:You'll probably claim it's been taken out of context Hell I'll do that right now. I read through the whole thread, and I'll be the first to say that you have your head up your ass. Of course it's been taken out of context. At this point it's the only option you have to save face ;) |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
14453
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Posted - 2015.09.23 00:41:33 -
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Arthur Hannigen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Arthur Hannigen wrote:You'll probably claim it's been taken out of context Hell I'll do that right now. I read through the whole thread, and I'll be the first to say that you have your head up your ass. Of course it's been taken out of context. At this point it's the only defense you have to save face ;)
"you"? I assure you, I'm not the middle aged black policeman(Jenn).
But I did read through that thread, in fact when it was first open, and you do in fact have your head up your ass. Of all the people here, I ought to recognize cherrypicking when I see it, although you definitely need some practice.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Arthur Hannigen
13
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Posted - 2015.09.23 00:49:33 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Arthur Hannigen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Arthur Hannigen wrote:You'll probably claim it's been taken out of context Hell I'll do that right now. I read through the whole thread, and I'll be the first to say that you have your head up your ass. Of course it's been taken out of context. At this point it's the only defense you have to save face ;) "you"? I assure you, I'm not the middle aged black policeman(Jenn). But I did read through that thread, in fact when it was first open, and you do in fact have your head up your ass. Of all the people here, I ought to recognize cherrypicking when I see it, although you definitely need some practice.
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Ioci
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
598
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Posted - 2015.09.23 00:53:19 -
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I didn't read 100 pages of this but the decline in EVE numbers really comes to back to the real world. EVE is as much a Soviet game as it is a Western game and last I checked, the Russian ruble buys half the Euro's if bought a year ago. Depending on the day of the week, they pay twice as much or more to play this game.
R.I.P. Vile Rat
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2015.09.23 01:36:14 -
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Tippia wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:The far far majority of players never leave hi sec.
The far far majority of updates are only for nullsec. Do you have any data to actually prove this?
This isn't even denied by CCP they have posted it many times, and no I am not digging for information so they can ignore it some more.
This company has spent a majority of its time ignoring the majority of its playerbase while trying to appease the null sec blue donut for who knows what reasoning.
At least in other games players are enticed to stick around to be food for the others. Eve has no real reward system to being food to stick around to be in a donut of power.
I have played several MMO's through the years and this one has the worst **** poor progression of any of them.
It really isn't worth explaining anymore, most people I know that played wont return, I ask myself why I did, I know I wont again. This game is a horrible experience and it isn't the players fault at the least, its the people running it.
Taking advice from people who will directly benefit from that advice and then acting like its more important than others is stupid. Almost as stupid as putting a shooter exclusively on a console that isn't the one that your star product runs on (this one).
Sure EVE lets you play with people around the world, but honestly, when they cant even let you play without artificial lag (time dilation) after how many years? They create their own problems of the blue donut then act like its the players fault.
It seems that's the legacy of this game to try to blame the players of its legacy, the only smart dev I have seen from this group was the one who went to work for League of Legends. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26255
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Posted - 2015.09.23 01:43:44 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:This isn't even denied by CCP they have posted it many times Then it should be very easy for you to find. I can't say I've ever seen them suggest or present data on either of those two, so if you have some, it would be nice.
If you don't, you should probably not make such baseless claims.
Quote:no I am not digging for information That means we can immediately dismiss it as fictitious nonsense. Is this what you want?
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
612
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Posted - 2015.09.23 01:50:39 -
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Tippia wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:This isn't even denied by CCP they have posted it many times Then it should be very easy for you to find. I can't say I've ever seen them suggest or present data on either of those two, so if you have some, it would be nice. If you don't, you should probably not make such baseless claims. Quote:no I am not digging for information That means we can immediately dismiss it as fictitious nonsense. Is this what you want?
You are going to dismiss it anyways even if he came here with a signed letter from the CEO himself of CCP.
And its not like you have never made a claim which was not backed by data... sometimes you even post data and you misinterpret or spin it to your advantage.
Oh well, so it goes with GD.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
40308
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Posted - 2015.09.23 02:01:36 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Tippia wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:This isn't even denied by CCP they have posted it many times Then it should be very easy for you to find. I can't say I've ever seen them suggest or present data on either of those two, so if you have some, it would be nice. If you don't, you should probably not make such baseless claims. Quote:no I am not digging for information That means we can immediately dismiss it as fictitious nonsense. Is this what you want? You are going to dismiss it anyways even if he came here with a signed letter from the CEO himself of CCP. And its not like you have never made a claim which was not backed by data... sometimes you even post data and you misinterpret or spin it to your advantage. Oh well, so it goes with GD. The only bit I would like some evidence for is the claim that the "far far majority of updates are only for nullsec".
My initial impression is, what?
Happy to look at the data that supports that claim, but seems like a bit of BS on the surface.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
612
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Posted - 2015.09.23 02:07:34 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Tippia wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:This isn't even denied by CCP they have posted it many times Then it should be very easy for you to find. I can't say I've ever seen them suggest or present data on either of those two, so if you have some, it would be nice. If you don't, you should probably not make such baseless claims. Quote:no I am not digging for information That means we can immediately dismiss it as fictitious nonsense. Is this what you want? You are going to dismiss it anyways even if he came here with a signed letter from the CEO himself of CCP. And its not like you have never made a claim which was not backed by data... sometimes you even post data and you misinterpret or spin it to your advantage. Oh well, so it goes with GD. The only bit I would like some evidence for is the claim that the "far far majority of updates are for nullsec". My initial impression is, what? Happy to look at the data that supports that claim, but seems like a bit of BS on the surface.
It would be very difficult to argue that since Incursions the expansions of Eve for the last 5 years have been anything but updates to Null.
Highsec, Industry and Wormholes have been slowly left to die in the last couple years. You can go to the wormhole forum and say "CCP loves Wormholes and has added content to them" and watch as you get laughed out of the forum.
Same thing for the industry and mission forums, go there and tell them updates were all for them...
Bottom line is, its not a real quantifiable thing to put hard values on what expansions helped and hurt per se... we can however quantify the number of revisions to capital ships, Sov, Anoms, system upgrades and such, which are exclusive to null/low sec space.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26257
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Posted - 2015.09.23 02:17:09 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:You are going to dismiss it anyways even if he came here with a signed letter from the CEO himself of CCP. Nope. I'm only going to dismiss it if he can't prove it, and so far, he can't. My guess is that he never will be, because it's just some nonsense he made up.
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Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
234
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Posted - 2015.09.23 02:45:03 -
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Ioci wrote:I didn't read 100 pages of this but the decline in EVE numbers really comes to back to the real world. EVE is as much a Soviet game as it is a Western game and last I checked, the Russian ruble buys half the Euro's if bought a year ago. Depending on the day of the week, they pay twice as much or more to play this game.
"Soviet"/Russian, but yes, a large number of players are Russian (don't believe me, believe my poor semi-blinged Battleship that got Russian-ganked in a Sisters' mission system). So the problems Russians are having is likely to have an impact on EVE's numbers.
That means it's time to set up more effective advertising and get more folks from everywhere into EVE. Anyone speak Japanese? |
Luckytania
Bullets of Justice
38
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Posted - 2015.09.23 02:56:18 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: The net result of the existing mechanics is that a PvPr can avoid playing as PvErs do, but a PvEr can not avoid playing as PvPrs do. Why?
As of Spring 2009.
IIRC, that is when PLEX began.
Allowing the game to be played as if in Monopoly one landed on a property, did not have sufficient in game money to pay, but just pulls a $20 out of one's pocket and tells the Bank "Fuggedaboudit, I'll buy Boardwalk anyway." |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
40308
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Posted - 2015.09.23 03:08:35 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:It would be very difficult to argue that since Incursions the expansions of Eve for the last 5 years have been anything but updates to Null.
Highsec, Industry and Wormholes have been slowly left to die in the last couple years. You can go to the wormhole forum and say "CCP loves Wormholes and has added content to them" and watch as you get laughed out of the forum.
Same thing for the industry and mission forums, go there and tell them updates were all for them...
Bottom line is, its not a real quantifiable thing to put hard values on what expansions helped and hurt per se... we can however quantify the number of revisions to capital ships, Sov, Anoms, system upgrades and such, which are exclusive to null/low sec space. Since I don't get off work for a few hours I can't do it yet, but I'll go back through the expansions and put them into some sort of 'null', 'low', 'high' grouping where that makes sense (eg. Burner missions = high because that makes sense, Industry = no classification since it applies equally, Removsl of standing for POS = High, sov changes = null, shattered wormholes = J-space, etc.)
And we'll see whether the "far far majority of updates are only for nullsec" holds true.
On the surface, no way it will, but the data will give a definitive answer. My guess is that the far, far majority of updates apply equally in all security status areas (eg. New ships, ship rebalance, SKINS, graphics and sound updates, module tierecide, industry changes, etc.)
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Lieu Thiesant
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.09.23 03:33:50 -
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Too many changes too fast cannot be all that good. It causes more instability which can lead to more system entropy (or system paralysis) where the system turns in on itself and the efficiency keeps declining.
If CCP tries to get more users and the reverse occurs then something is wrong. If they don't need more users for whatever reasons or cause, then it may not be wrong.
Either way, I don't know, and there are more facts related to too many changes too fast which is out of the scope of this forum. More like for the boardroom or something else. |
Velarra
441
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Posted - 2015.09.23 04:09:47 -
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Hmm. Srsly. TLDR.
Anyone suggested a server merge yet? -.^
(yes, yes..yes i know :) ... but surely one of these 'the end is nigh' posts might have? )
^_^
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