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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
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Posted - 2015.09.23 04:28:46 -
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Velarra wrote:Hmm. Srsly. TLDR.
Anyone suggested a server merge yet? -.^
(yes, yes..yes i know :) ... but surely one of these 'the end is nigh' posts might have? )
^_^
Yeah, let's go to a single shard.....oh wait.
What server merge are you looking for?
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Velarra
441
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Posted - 2015.09.23 04:56:03 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Velarra wrote:Hmm. Srsly. TLDR.
Anyone suggested a server merge yet? -.^
(yes, yes..yes i know :) ... but surely one of these 'the end is nigh' posts might have? )
^_^
Yeah, let's go to a single shard.....oh wait. What server merge are you looking for?
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
3975
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Posted - 2015.09.23 06:36:01 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
My suggestion is to allow PvE earn means to PvP (like, hiring friendly NPCs) so everyone can play the same game in their own way.
Your suggestion is a heinous, anti sandbox mechanic that would pretty much destroy the game. What you want is to never have to leave your little bubble, where you can effect others by just farming red crosses all day with zero effort. You want to remove any semblance of a burden of effort towards yourself, in one of the single most selfish things I have ever seen proposed on a video game forum. Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe it.
Your little mind probably can't come up with the idea that I've said a few hundred times that PvE should be a mean of PvP instead of a mindless grind.
In order to affect players a PvEr should compete against, and defeat, other players who also PvE in a type of gameplay ressembling collectible cards, with NPCs instead of cards and influnce on players as powers. I've sketched the concept a few times and won't repeat it again.
There are many ways to fight other people in a game. Sometimes we fight with our fists and sometimes with a set of chess pieces. Both are PvP, just one is full of macho bragging and the other is a bit more open to subtlety and cunning.
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6816
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Posted - 2015.09.23 06:46:15 -
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Tippia wrote:Quote:In all honesty, I just don't see the player imposed consequences for ganking being in line with other player imposed consequences. There's just nothing for a disposable alt to really lose. GǪexcept the most valuable thing in the game: time.  OK, then everyone else loses more time plus in game resources. Whatever way you swing it, consequences for gankers are significantly less than for anyone else. Of course you'll deny this to the end of time because that's what you do.
Tippia wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:You are going to dismiss it anyways even if he came here with a signed letter from the CEO himself of CCP. Nope. I'm only going to dismiss it if he can't prove it, and so far, he can't. My guess is that he never will be, because it's just some nonsense he made up. *cough* bullshit *cough*
I mean I question the legitimacy of his claims. It's reasonably true that more characters live in highsec and that more updates are done for non-highsec crowd that highsec of late, but many of those characters are alts of people who actually live elsewhere. But I don't believe that any evidence he presented you would be accepted, since I don't think I've ever seen you admit fault even when you have been obviously wrong. You'd still be screaming that water's not wet if you'd backed yourself into that corner.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6816
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Posted - 2015.09.23 06:47:56 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Velarra wrote:Hmm. Srsly. TLDR.
Anyone suggested a server merge yet? -.^
(yes, yes..yes i know :) ... but surely one of these 'the end is nigh' posts might have? )
^_^ Yeah, let's go to a single shard.....oh wait. What server merge are you looking for? Just FYI, EVE is currently dual shard.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
40309
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Posted - 2015.09.23 06:49:37 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Velarra wrote:Hmm. Srsly. TLDR.
Anyone suggested a server merge yet? -.^
(yes, yes..yes i know :) ... but surely one of these 'the end is nigh' posts might have? )
^_^ Yeah, let's go to a single shard.....oh wait. What server merge are you looking for? Just FYI, EVE is currently dual shard.
If you think Serenity can just be combined with TQ, then you clearly don't understand the reason for Serenity exisiting in the first place.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6816
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Posted - 2015.09.23 07:03:09 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Velarra wrote:Hmm. Srsly. TLDR.
Anyone suggested a server merge yet? -.^
(yes, yes..yes i know :) ... but surely one of these 'the end is nigh' posts might have? )
^_^ Yeah, let's go to a single shard.....oh wait. What server merge are you looking for? Just FYI, EVE is currently dual shard. If you think Serenity can just be combined with TQ, then you clearly don't understand the reason for Serenity exisiting in the first place. I didn't say it could be done easily, nor did I suggest it'd be a good idea if it could, but that doesn't change the fact that EVE has 2 shards.
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
1285
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Posted - 2015.09.23 07:11:16 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:Tippia wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:The far far majority of players never leave hi sec.
The far far majority of updates are only for nullsec. Do you have any data to actually prove this? I have played several MMO's through the years and this one has the worst **** poor progression of any of them.
Its not CCPs fault you refuse to progress. Your first comment is like whining on the WoW forums "The majority of players never get to max level, yet you keep adding content at max level, you haven't added anything to Goldshire for years  ". Its not the fault of the players in whatever-zone-is-whatever-max-level that you are still doing circles in the starter zone, staring at the same boars every day. Get out, experience the rest of the game. As long as you choose to limit yourself, you will find yourself limited.
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Angel Summoner
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2015.09.23 07:48:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Tippia wrote:Tippia wrote:[quote=Market McSelling Alt]You are going to dismiss it anyways even if he came here with a signed letter from the CEO himself of CCP. Nope. I'm only going to dismiss it if he can't prove it, and so far, he can't. My guess is that he never will be, because it's just some nonsense he made up. *cough* bullshit *cough* I mean I question the legitimacy of his claims. It's reasonably true that more characters live in highsec and that more updates are done for non-highsec crowd that highsec of late, but many of those characters are alts of people who actually live elsewhere. But I don't believe that any evidence he presented you would be accepted, since I don't think I've ever seen you admit fault even when you have been obviously wrong. You'd still be screaming that water's not wet if you'd backed yourself into that corner.
Prove it.
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Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage
RAZOR Alliance
654
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Posted - 2015.09.23 09:30:31 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:Tippia wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:The far far majority of players never leave hi sec.
The far far majority of updates are only for nullsec. Do you have any data to actually prove this? I have played several MMO's through the years and this one has the worst **** poor progression of any of them. Its not CCPs fault you refuse to progress. Your first comment is like whining on the WoW forums "The majority of players never get to max level, yet you keep adding content at max level, you haven't added anything to Goldshire for years ". Its not the fault of the players in whatever-zone-is-whatever-max-level that you are still doing circles in the starter zone, staring at the same boars every day. Get out, experience the rest of the game. As long as you choose to limit yourself, you will find yourself limited.
QFT.
Highsec is like a massive graveyard of accounts because it offers just enough to keep people playing but not enough to maintain their interest long term. If ganking didn't exist would we have a higher retention rate? Or a lower retention rate?
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
40311
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Posted - 2015.09.23 10:42:54 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Velarra wrote:Hmm. Srsly. TLDR.
Anyone suggested a server merge yet? -.^
(yes, yes..yes i know :) ... but surely one of these 'the end is nigh' posts might have? )
^_^ Yeah, let's go to a single shard.....oh wait. What server merge are you looking for? Just FYI, EVE is currently dual shard. If you think Serenity can just be combined with TQ, then you clearly don't understand the reason for Serenity exisiting in the first place. I didn't say it could be done easily, nor did I suggest it'd be a good idea if it could, but that doesn't change the fact that EVE has 2 shards.
Just typical dishonest argument style you use.
Show me where I said it was single shard, as in, the exact words where I said that, because I didn't.
The whole response in context, what exact server are you going to combine with TQ?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26265
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Posted - 2015.09.23 10:59:40 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: OK, then everyone else loses more time plus in game resources. Whatever way you swing it, consequences for gankers are significantly less than for anyone else. Defenders defending on their way to wherever they're going don't lose much in the way of time GÇö the handful of seconds it takes to blow a gank ship up at most. Gankers losing out on the gank of the hour so they have to wait another hour. I understand that this may come as a shock to you, but -+min < 60min.
Quote:Of course you'll deny this to the end of time because that's what you do. Your'e confusing me with you.
Quote:*cough* bullshit *cough*
I mean I question the legitimacy of his claims. It's reasonably true that more characters live in highsec and that more updates are done for non-highsec crowd that highsec of late, but many of those characters are alts of people who actually live elsewhere. But I don't believe that any evidence he presented you would be accepted, since I don't think I've ever seen you admit fault even when you have been obviously wrong. That's because you're prejudiced and bigoted and believe that your prejudice and bigotry applies to everyone else. I keep telling you: I am not you. You should stop confusing me with you.
I accept evidence when presented. This is no secret or huge revelation. Just the other day, I was using old numbers for how large (and in what order) the faucets and sinks are until someone presented new data to show that I was wrong, at which point I collected it and adjusted my view. The problem is that the vast majority of people who wish to prove me wrong have no, or refuse to provide, anything even remotely resembling proof of their claims.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6817
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Posted - 2015.09.23 11:00:59 -
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Angel Summoner wrote:Prove it.
:) Support the game you play and attend fanfest, or just watch the stream if you're poor.
Scipio Artelius wrote:Just the typical dishonest argument style you use.
Show me where I said it was single shard, as in, the exact words where I said that, because I didn't. Nor was it what I was implying.
The whole response in context, what exact server are you going to combine with TQ? LOL of course it was what you were implying, that's what the "... oh wait" was about.
It'd be a bumpy ride, but it wouldn't be impossible to merge the two shards if they wanted to.
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Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
82
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Posted - 2015.09.23 11:15:07 -
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Tippia wrote:Lucas Kell wrote: OK, then everyone else loses more time plus in game resources. Whatever way you swing it, consequences for gankers are significantly less than for anyone else. Defenders defending on their way to wherever they're going don't lose much in the way of time GÇö the handful of seconds it takes to blow a gank ship up at most. Gankers losing out on the gank of the hour so they have to wait another hour. I understand that this may come as a shock to you, but -+min < 60min. Why would they wait another hour? Just reship and blow someone else up as the criminal timer is clearly not 60 minutes. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25121
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Posted - 2015.09.23 11:47:34 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:It'd be a bumpy ride, but it wouldn't be impossible to merge the two shards if they wanted to. To do so would require massive changes to something that CCP have no control over, namely the Chinese government and their requirement that foreign MMO's offered in the Chinese market must be hosted and maintained by a Chinese company.
Under current conditions, which are unlikely to change in the foreseeable future, it would be impossible for CCP to merge Tranquility and Serenity, regardless of what they wish for.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26265
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Posted - 2015.09.23 11:48:49 -
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Kinete Jenius wrote:Why would they wait another hour? Because viable ganking targets do not appear at the press of a button.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
40312
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Posted - 2015.09.23 11:57:39 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:LOL of course it was what you were implying, that's what the "... oh wait" was about.
No it wasn't. That's what you added yourself.
My intent was, it can't be combined - as in "oh wait, that's not possible" - hence the next sentence which you ignored.
Typical Lucas BS and pointless to discuss anything with because of your constant dishonesty.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6818
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Posted - 2015.09.23 12:31:54 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:LOL of course it was what you were implying, that's what the "... oh wait" was about. No it wasn't. That's what you added yourself. My intent was, it can't be combined - as in "oh wait, that's not possible" - hence the next sentence which you ignored. Typical Lucas BS and pointless to discuss anything with because of your constant dishonesty. Lol, you can lie to yourself if you want, doesn't change a thing.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
613
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Posted - 2015.09.23 14:09:46 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:LOL of course it was what you were implying, that's what the "... oh wait" was about. No it wasn't. That's what you added yourself. My intent was, it can't be combined - as in "oh wait, that's not possible" - hence the next sentence which you ignored. Typical Lucas BS and pointless to discuss anything with because of your constant dishonesty.
No its not Lucas BS. you clearly were trying to make a smug eve-like comment to make the guy look bad. You suggested there was one shard. The Oh Wait is the classic eve way of doing that.
Don't wiggle now, it happens. People forget all the time that there is a second and arguably a third and fourth server. But digging deeper isn't a good idea.
Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25121
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Posted - 2015.09.23 14:26:49 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:LOL of course it was what you were implying, that's what the "... oh wait" was about. No it wasn't. That's what you added yourself. My intent was, it can't be combined - as in "oh wait, that's not possible" - hence the next sentence which you ignored. Typical Lucas BS and pointless to discuss anything with because of your constant dishonesty. No its not Lucas BS. you clearly were trying to make a smug eve-like comment to make the guy look bad. You suggested there was one shard. The Oh Wait is the classic eve way of doing that. Don't wiggle now, it happens. People forget all the time that there is a second and arguably a third and fourth server. But digging deeper isn't a good idea. His "oh wait" is what is known as sarcasm, it is generally used to indicate that the preceding statement is untrue or unlikely.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
613
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Posted - 2015.09.23 15:04:03 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:It'd be a bumpy ride, but it wouldn't be impossible to merge the two shards if they wanted to. To do so would require massive changes to something that CCP have no control over, namely the Chinese government and their requirement that foreign MMO's offered in the Chinese market must be hosted and maintained by a Chinese company. Under current conditions, which are unlikely to change in the foreseeable future, it would be impossible for CCP to merge Tranquility and Serenity, regardless of what they wish for. Any attempt to do so would result in them being locked out of the Chinese market.
Is why the debate going on right. Now has no value. Both sides just defending themselves. Not wanting to look at or understand the greater scope of things or other opinions. Last few pages, absolutely nothing even related to a discussion about current problems or solution was discussed or reiterated. Good points are lost because the children are arguing
"ARE NOT!"
"ARE TOO!"
Come on guys. Actually read what you have been writing. The one good point always degrade to poo flinging.
"No concequences"
Good point but only replies are worthless. Should be politicans, lots to say about other guy while not standing on foundation of your own.
I agree with that statement. All things should build up to earn, as should concequenses. Do ganking lots that character should be burned from access to highsec without a large amount of time and work to reform. Time is not of value in eve. It is playing. It is why in eve. If doing something you enjoy means doing something you do not, that is a problem with the system or it is frivolous. I mean that is MOBA play, not eve is harsh and real and all that BS.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6848
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Posted - 2015.09.23 15:18:54 -
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So, how RAPID!!! is the Decline in numbers... starting to turn into
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall.
We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6818
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Posted - 2015.09.23 15:24:10 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:His "oh wait" is what is known as sarcasm, it is generally used to indicate that the preceding statement is untrue or unlikely. We know how sarcasm works.
As in "Yeah, let's go to a single shard.....oh wait... it is!". That's how the "oh wait" works.
It's not "Yeah, let's go to a single shard.....oh wait... That's not technically possible because of legal differences between China and the rest of the world requiring the merged shard to be operated from China under a Chinese company resulting in a substandard gameplay experience for the rest of us".
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Divine Entervention
Legion's Knights Of The Round
Intrepid Crossing
618
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Posted - 2015.09.23 15:25:42 -
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Problem's detailed kill mails.
Punishes people for playing.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6818
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Posted - 2015.09.23 15:26:30 -
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Markus Reese wrote:Is why the debate going on right. Now has no value. Both sides just defending themselves. Not wanting to look at or understand the greater scope of things or other opinions. Last few pages, absolutely nothing even related to a discussion about current problems or solution was discussed or reiterated. Good points are lost because the children are arguing It's because we're all bored and noone has anything important to add. It's obvious that the playerbase is dropping and it's obvious that CCP know this (with their latest dev blog basically begging for players) and there's not much to say on it. There's no one single reason it's just ongoing bad decision making. Not much we can do but ride the wave or get out of the water.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
12457
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Posted - 2015.09.23 15:33:15 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Problem's detailed kill mails.
Punishes people for playing.
Killmails going away would hrut more than help. They are just a record of something happening, and a way to remember that something.
While it's not a lot for my 8 years of playing compared to Real PVPrs, I have about 6000 + kill and death mails across 4 of my characters, and those kill mails are something I can go back to and look at sometimes and say "I was there, flying with those guys I don't see much of any more, living in that space I don't live in any more...even if I don't remember the exact details". That has value, even if some people go overboard with them.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8621
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Posted - 2015.09.23 15:33:18 -
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/me readjusts his foldout chair and grabs another beer to gaze from the peanut gallery.
*psst*
"Look at them suckers go running about in circles, hun!"
[b]----
CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
2236
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Posted - 2015.09.23 16:56:35 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Problem's detailed kill mails.
Punishes people for playing.
Killmails going away would hurt more than help. They are just a record of something happening, and a way to remember that something. Many people (myself included) like having them. While it's not a lot for my 8 years of playing compared to Real PVPrs, I have about 6000 + kill and death mails across 4 of my characters, and those kill mails are something I can go back to and look at sometimes and say "I was there, flying with those guys I don't see much of any more, living in that space I don't live in any more...even if I don't remember the exact details". That has value, even if some people go overboard with them.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
9788
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Posted - 2015.09.23 17:27:42 -
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Quote:Punishes people for playing
There is a few lines you could see in character bios here in EVE. It goes like that:
"WoW holds your hand from 1-85, and makes sure you get a cookie regardless if you win or lose. Eve not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place."
Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
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Zihao
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
130
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Posted - 2015.09.23 17:44:50 -
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Bumblefck wrote:/me readjusts his foldout chair and grabs another beer to gaze from the peanut gallery.
*psst*
"Look at them suckers go running about in circles, hun!"
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