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Vic Jefferson
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.26 07:15:12 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Vic Jefferson wrote:
The other half of the problem right now is the ship meta. There are no fun fights left, or very few, since everything is so fast and kitey. Getting a good fight when all the best comps now can easily disengage or chose not to fight makes the game even more of a chore, on top of having to buy the ships in the first place.
The meta issue with EVE has always been the cycle of balance everything so its a boring clone of everything else with different flashy lights then bring out new stuff that's OP, wait till everyone starts using it then balance everything so its a boring clone of everything else with different flashy lights again. Rinse and repeat.
Yes, perhaps, but it is still more fun in a brawling meta. In the golden age of the battlecrusier, stagnant as that may have been, it at least created more opportunities for good fights than the current age of kiting and non-committing, where people just take easy kills and run. Obviously people should play smart, but it has to be absolutely miserable as a new player when everything cruiser sized has such rapid lights or super strong drones, and can go incredibly fast compared to their tackle frigs. Battlecruisers at least gave new players something easy to learn to tackle on, as opposed to what people field today.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7066
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Posted - 2015.08.26 07:34:28 -
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Vic Jefferson wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Vic Jefferson wrote:
The other half of the problem right now is the ship meta. There are no fun fights left, or very few, since everything is so fast and kitey. Getting a good fight when all the best comps now can easily disengage or chose not to fight makes the game even more of a chore, on top of having to buy the ships in the first place.
The meta issue with EVE has always been the cycle of balance everything so its a boring clone of everything else with different flashy lights then bring out new stuff that's OP, wait till everyone starts using it then balance everything so its a boring clone of everything else with different flashy lights again. Rinse and repeat. Yes, perhaps, but it is still more fun in a brawling meta. In the golden age of the battlecrusier, stagnant as that may have been, it at least created more opportunities for good fights than the current age of kiting and non-committing, where people just take easy kills and run. Obviously people should play smart, but it has to be absolutely miserable as a new player when everything cruiser sized has such rapid lights or super strong drones, and can go incredibly fast compared to their tackle frigs. Battlecruisers at least gave new players something easy to learn to tackle on, as opposed to what people field today.
But... it was all drakes.
Sorry. Couldn't help it. 
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Aivo Dresden
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
466
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Posted - 2015.08.26 07:36:57 -
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The crazy inflation of PLEX prices could be related to this. It would be interesting to see the amount of purchased PLEX (for isk ingame), as a percentage of total paid subs and see their evolution.
I reckon less people PLEX now because it's getting more and more expensive. I also reckon some people just stopped paying for their alt accounts, because a 1bill a pop, it's just not feasible anymore. |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
13120
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Posted - 2015.08.26 09:38:00 -
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wait til it gets to 2bil a pop 
I'm sure there is some factor in there. I spent as much on dinner tonight as it would cost for a month of EVE. But you know, some people are just too above paying for a cheap game sub, not when it can be just handed to them elsewhere and taste like instant noodles.
I'm in it for the money
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
32238
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Posted - 2015.08.26 09:59:37 -
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Patch hype. It's as if the normal bumps in price due to patch interest don't have quite enough time to reset in six weeks
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
24897
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Posted - 2015.08.26 11:39:26 -
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Swaatybaatch Yesplease wrote:- 1 member from me
reason :
poped back to eve all exited to play again since 2 real life friends wanted to try , so got myself active again about 1 - 2 weeks ago to check things out sold a toon and bought this one back since it was the one I started playing eve with , problem was the way I was greated back into the game , helped a random other player got myself blown up he shares kill right with everyone else and now after a few plex selling I am broke again that along with the awesome harassment to boot , this is just sad makes me remember why I stopped playing in the first place It appears that you forgot, or never learned, one of the prime tenets of Eve, "trust nobody when it comes to your stuff, isk or corpse"
Quote:worked my but off for about 10 bil and lost it all to scammers Bearing in mind that all scams rely on the victims ignorance and or avarice, how is it the scammers' fault that you fell for their spiel and gave them all your isk?
You're likely to get little sympathy from other players until you take responsibility for your own actions.
Quote:my eve experience , would not recommend to my friends who are lucky since they have not subbed yet , the game is fun the players though they seem to want to keep there game to themselves then I say by all means keep your game to yourself , all my toon are marked for deletion and unsubbed if anyone wants this one you can take it for 1 isk or what ever the min amount of isk is these days . Don't be so bitter and let your friends try Eve and make their own choices, they may enjoy the cut throat world of Eve, they may not.
Eve is not for everybody, and CCP accept that.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution
The Initiative.
472
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Posted - 2015.08.26 11:49:34 -
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I think CCP left it much too long before trying to fix nullsec. A lot of players patience finally ran out and they gave up on null 2012-14 and they ain't coming back.
Aegis sov has done nothing to address the glaring issues facing sov null, most of which are not due to mechanics but player behaviour, which CCP can do nothing about.
Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.
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Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
66
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Posted - 2015.08.26 11:51:19 -
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Aivo Dresden wrote:The crazy inflation of PLEX prices could be related to this. It would be interesting to see the amount of purchased PLEX (for isk ingame), as a percentage of total paid subs and see their evolution.
I reckon less people PLEX now because it's getting more and more expensive. I also reckon some people just stopped paying for their alt accounts, because a 1bill a pop, it's just not feasible anymore.
Well if fewer people are playing in general that means fewer people injecting plex into the economy. Combine that with the plex manipulators and you get upward pressure on the prices. Which of course causes people to stop paying for alt accounts.
I expect 2b plex next year easily.
What I'd really like to see is how much plex is being privately held. |
Hairtrigger
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2015.08.26 12:04:05 -
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personally not played for about 4yrs now, buti still pay my -ú10 a mth and keep my skills goin
why you may ask.
well, my fave time in eve was when the record was around 11k max online, so i just keep my account active in the hope eve dies and it go's back to small numbers.
used to feel massive, now it just feels small and crowded.
so keep up the good work guys, looks like my dream is coming true(slowley but surely) |
Djiana Lenar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2015.08.26 12:12:26 -
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Make it easier for new players to stay interested in the game.
Would it be to much to ask for more SP for new players so they can actually be useful?
Maybe give 5mill SP to players who subscribe out of trial accounts |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25762
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Posted - 2015.08.26 12:15:40 -
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Djiana Lenar wrote:Make it easier for new players to stay interested in the game.
Would it be to much to ask for more SP for new players so they can actually be useful?
It's been tried; it doesn't work. It also doesn't address the problem you describe.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1448
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Posted - 2015.08.26 12:21:59 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Patch hype. It's as if the normal bumps in price due to patch interest don't have quite enough time to reset in six weeks
I actually had wondered if the 6 week cycle has been part of it. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
12213
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Posted - 2015.08.26 12:33:25 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Content isn't created by doing PVE in the area in which you live.
The above thing is stupid. About 2 weeks ago, I was ratting in Wicked Creek on one toon while holding my second character back to sit in a defense fleet (in a Caracal). A guy in a ceptor was flying around and some of my fleet mates had chased him. He landed in the Haven I was in and next thing I knew a cyno was up and several BLOPS came in.
I disconnected from my heavy drones, launched ECM drones, overheated my tank, starting neuting a blops all while calling for help on comms. My buddies (and my Caracal alt landed and popped the ceptor, and a blops that was pointing me caught jam from my ECM burst, and I warped that Mach out in 10% shields. The blops escaped after a short fight but no 'good guys' died.
How in the flying **** is that not content? Had it not been for the fact that I was terribly bored of incursions, I wouldn't have even been in null with that mach, that mach would have been making more isk in high sec, where cyno ceptors can't even get to me. By actually risking the ship with which I was making money with, I created a situation where other actual players could enjoy the game too.
You high sec apologists are way too selfish to understand why the above is proper and necessary in a game. This is why people like me win; If things stay the same, we still have safe high sec (and wormholes, and FW) to draw back to to make our isk to keep ourselves going. If things change (and people actually have to take risks to gain the kinds of gains they get now), it means that EVERYONE benifits.
The irony here is (as usual) high sec people are too dumb to understand that a proper balance helps them too (if null people can make a proper living in null , high sec people don't have to wait in line for incursion spots behind us because we aren't there, wormhole and FW guys would have to stare at all of our alts either, and renting lessen because we'd actually need ALL of our space). |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6819
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Posted - 2015.08.26 12:51:58 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Had it not been for the fact that I was terribly bored of incursions, I wouldn't have even been in null with that mach, I would have been on my alt in my other Mach making more isk in high sec, where cyno ceptors can't even get to me. By actually risking the ship with which I was making money with, I created a situation where other actual players could enjoy the game too.
I see, so you're saying incursions need to be made terribly boring in order to create ~content~
Maybe more sections requiring mining
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall.
We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25762
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Posted - 2015.08.26 12:59:18 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Patch hype. It's as if the normal bumps in price due to patch interest don't have quite enough time to reset in six weeks I actually had wondered if the 6 week cycle has been part of it.
If nothing else, it seems to have had the effect of smoothing out the odd fluctuations that started to happen after Crucible. For quite some time, we had these (fairly consistent) 4GÇô5 week periods where the daily PCUs would go from a minimum, up to a brief peak maybe 2,000 logins higher, and then go back down.
Nowadays, they tend to be more consistently going up or down over at least an entire patch cycle, often more, with only the regular and expected post-patch bumps breaking up that larger trend.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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AtramLolipop
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2015.08.26 13:07:30 -
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It's also a good time to point out how screwed up the mechanics of null sec are.
I completely detest how easy it is for blocks to cap a high end moon in part of a region where they live no where near.
This, flying for a small close knit corp/alliance makes me want to quit the game at times, if in null sec and your alliance, block, occupies moons they should be forced to pay a little something towards the system. This is how blocks have managed to get so big. Little guy spends all day reffing structures, block brings a huge fleet and defends it and we don't seem them again until the next time we ref it or when its time to refuel and empty.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
2135
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Posted - 2015.08.26 13:13:42 -
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AtramLolipop wrote:It's also a good time to point out how screwed up the mechanics of null sec are.
I completely detest how easy it is for blocks to cap a high end moon in part of a region where they live no where near.
This, flying for a small close knit corp/alliance makes me want to quit the game at times, if in null sec and your alliance, block, occupies moons they should be forced to pay a little something towards the system. This is how blocks have managed to get so big. Little guy spends all day reffing structures, block brings a huge fleet and defends it and we don't seem them again until the next time we ref it or when its time to refuel and empty.
Who the hell made you believe a small group would be able to face a larger more organised one? |
AtramLolipop
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2015.08.26 13:15:09 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:AtramLolipop wrote:It's also a good time to point out how screwed up the mechanics of null sec are.
I completely detest how easy it is for blocks to cap a high end moon in part of a region where they live no where near.
This, flying for a small close knit corp/alliance makes me want to quit the game at times, if in null sec and your alliance, block, occupies moons they should be forced to pay a little something towards the system. This is how blocks have managed to get so big. Little guy spends all day reffing structures, block brings a huge fleet and defends it and we don't seem them again until the next time we ref it or when its time to refuel and empty.
Who the hell made you believe a small group would be able to face a larger more organised one?
And that is why the game is dying.... |
MonkeyBusiness Thiesant
randomly named no tax corp v2
48
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Posted - 2015.08.26 13:17:09 -
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Population has fallen hard since B-R, after being basically static for five years (essentially bouncing around 50k on the eveoffline graph). That was almost the endgame of years of battles though, so perhaps understandable a lot quit after it.
ISboxer changes, skill Q changes, and less need for cyno alts with current state of caps probably exaggerated things.
At least they've recognised stagnation though, and are planning ahead to shake things up. Too many people just want things to stay the same forever. |
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
186
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Posted - 2015.08.26 13:20:55 -
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Speedkermit Damo wrote:I think CCP left it much too long before trying to fix nullsec. A lot of players patience finally ran out and they gave up on null 2012-14 and they ain't coming back.
Aegis sov has done nothing to address the glaring issues facing sov null, most of which are not due to mechanics but player behaviour, which CCP can do nothing about.
People gave up on null because they got tired of being farmed.
Just look at all the fun BNI had recently.
So much fun that they couldn't take it anymore and left.
I guess its for the best, watching the new players get farmed isn't a good way to sell the game.
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Harrison Tato
Immortalis Fratres Vacui
Legio immortales CXCI
477
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Posted - 2015.08.26 13:24:42 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:
Who the hell made you believe a small group would be able to face a larger more organised one?
Star Wars
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
13154
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Posted - 2015.08.26 13:36:35 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:
Who the hell made you believe a small group would be able to face a larger more organised one?
Star Wars
Or Firefly?
Oh wait, they lost the war. But still superior, sorta like dukes of hazard in space 
You cant stop the signal.
I'm in it for the money
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
2135
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Posted - 2015.08.26 13:39:59 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:
Who the hell made you believe a small group would be able to face a larger more organised one?
Star Wars
I'm sorry the game does not follow a pre-determined script in hollywood fashion where the "good" side wins against all odds. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1448
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Posted - 2015.08.26 13:44:22 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Harrison Tato wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:
Who the hell made you believe a small group would be able to face a larger more organised one?
Star Wars I'm sorry the game does not follow a pre-determined script in hollywood fashion where the "good" side wins against all odds.
Well no if it is Hollywood teh good side is saved single handedly by a single hero who takes on the evil hordes and comes out victorious without a scratch. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
12216
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Posted - 2015.08.26 13:57:19 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:
Who the hell made you believe a small group would be able to face a larger more organised one?
Star Wars
Relevant |
Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
514
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Posted - 2015.08.26 13:59:20 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:
Who the hell made you believe a small group would be able to face a larger more organised one?
Star Wars
Pretty much every revolution in history against an oppressive group.
Just to name some more famous ones:
Lucretian Revolution of 504BC
Boudica and the Celtic Revolution
The 30 some Revolutions of Muslims against Arab Kingdoms of the 8th century
The Scottish War of Independence, first and second (you know the one Mel Gibson led)
Ming Dynasty
The Battle of the Golden Spurs (love my Flandersian Brothers)
The 80 Years War
The Portuguese War of Independence
The French Revolution
The American Revolution
The Iberian Guerilla War 1807-1812
Most of the Battles of the American Civil War where the Confederation States won
Pretty much any battle the Allies won against Germany or Japan in the early years of World War II
Keep going?
But you know what is awesome... none of that matters at all because that is RL and this is a game.
Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
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Harrison Tato
Immortalis Fratres Vacui
Legio immortales CXCI
477
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Posted - 2015.08.26 14:22:40 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Harrison Tato wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:
Who the hell made you believe a small group would be able to face a larger more organised one?
Star Wars I'm sorry the game does not follow a pre-determined script in hollywood fashion where the "good" side wins against all odds. Well no if it is Hollywood teh good side is saved single handedly by a single hero who takes on the evil hordes and comes out victorious without a scratch hand.
FIFY
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sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2015.08.26 14:25:13 -
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Mir Jana wrote:I was wondering about something...
January 2014 - average was 41k online
June 2014 - average was 32k online
December 2014 - average was 27k online
May 2015 - average was 21k online
August 2015 - average is 16k online
today I logged in at 14793 online.....
What can CCP do to re-build its populace cause obviously something is rotten in the state of Iceland...?
was 14793 online before or after a lot of people were locked out of EVE due to the Patch?
Galatea
The online number for a given day doesn't mean much. Trends on the other hand can be interpreted.
If you plot the data from the link Chribba linked, it doesn't look that bad actually. From around 2008 till christmas 2014 it looks pretty stable. After christmas you see an drop. Probably due to the multiboxing changes, and the new sov.
what can they do about it:
The accounts lost due to the multiboxing changes can probably only be fillled by getting new blood to join. As the people who had the old multiboxing alts, have no incentive to re-subscribe them. I think they are already working on getting more new players to join.
With the new Sov system, I would like to wait and see how the new structures and planned iterations affect the gameplay, before too big changes are done.
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Vol Arm'OOO
Bagel and Lox
730
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Posted - 2015.08.26 14:45:57 -
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IMO the most alarming thing about Eve's health is that historically after an expansion there is a spike in player numbers as folk come back to the game to see what's new. After FozzieSov there has been no spike. FozzieSov has proven not to be EveJesus. Instead, the best FozzieSov can claim is that it has not accelerated the decline.
Really, CCP needs to come to grips with the fact that the decline in numbers coincides directly with their efforts to make the game easier, more casual, and new player friendly. Most of their recent changes such as the safety, awok nerfs, and jump fat have not brought in new players while angering and driving away older folk. Much of the complexity of the game has been stripped away. And now instead of relying on the sandbox to create content, CCP as gone a full blizzard and is asking players to form up to battle npc (drifters) for their content. Well I dont want to shoot npc; I want to shoot players and I want the players to be making the content not ccp.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
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Vol Arm'OOO
Bagel and Lox
730
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Posted - 2015.08.26 14:49:29 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Harrison Tato wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:
Who the hell made you believe a small group would be able to face a larger more organised one?
Star Wars Pretty much every revolution in history against an oppressive group. Just to name some more famous ones: Lucretian Revolution of 504BC Boudica and the Celtic Revolution The 30 some Revolutions of Muslims against Arab Kingdoms of the 8th century The Scottish War of Independence, first and second (you know the one Mel Gibson led) Ming Dynasty The Battle of the Golden Spurs (love my Flandersian Brothers) The 80 Years War The Portuguese War of Independence The French Revolution The American Revolution The Iberian Guerilla War 1807-1812 Most of the Battles of the American Civil War where the Confederation States won Pretty much any battle the Allies won against Germany or Japan in the early years of World War II Keep going? But you know what is awesome... none of that matters at all because that is RL and this is a game.
In all those historical references the small group had force multipliers or other advantages that allowed them to engage in asymmetrical warfare to overcome the numbers of the other side. Of course, in eve anything that allows a smaller group to take on a larger group, e.g. off grid boosters, ecm, etc..., is derided and nerfed.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
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