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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2015.10.16 13:18:53 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
I said that new Level 4s would call back former highseccers.
You've been told multiple times that new level 4's will be figured out, documented in a matter of days, and the results published on the internet for everybody to peruse and follow the script that beats them; just as the current ones are.
Quote:That would buy some time to CCP so they could finish their current roadmap and develop a new one to adress highsec. Generating new missions is a development intensive process that has little or no returns because by their very nature they're predictable and it's easy to game them, leading to yet more calls for CCP to develop yet more missions because the new ones rapidly become stale, ad infinitum.
Going by recent devblogs CCP appear to have mislaid the map and are relying on throwing stuff at a wall to see what sticks and then going with that. I've defended their roadmap in the past, I won't be doing it again after the selling SP bullshit they just came up with.
Quote:And certainly adding more missions should be like 100x more preferable than selling skillpoints. TBH sticking a white hot poker up my rectum and then using it as an axis to rotate upon would be 100x more preferable than CCP's idea of selling SP, so for the first time in history you and I are somewhat in agreement.
Good god that's a scary thought.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
405
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Posted - 2015.10.16 14:16:58 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
I said that new Level 4s would call back former highseccers.
You've been told multiple times that new level 4's will be figured out, documented in a matter of days, and the results published on the internet for everybody to peruse and follow the script that beats them; just as the current ones are.
Jonah you're not getting the mindset of people who love running L4 missions.
From time to time I just want to relax by doing repetitive and yet fun, low risk activities involving 'splosions. That's when I get my trusty Raven, docked at my L4 agent's station. That station has all I need to do missions:
- several thousand cruise missiles
- appropriate T2 shield hardeners to swap out as needed
- T2 drones to replace the ones I manage to lose
- ...
I would actually love to be able to specifically select the mission I fly instead of getting a random one. Yes, I know that's paying a monthly fee to play a single player game ... but sometimes that's exactly what I want to do.
... I'm also exceptionally good at following instructions when putting together IKEA furniture. I had work colleagues who failed at building a simple chair. True story ...
Also, can someone explain what this thread is about?-á (Relax ! I'm just quoting Holgrak Blacksmith here.)
When life gives you lemons, swap letters and poof: melons, solemn melons.
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Arec Bardwin
1891
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Posted - 2015.10.16 14:22:02 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:If anyone needed any confirmation that Eve really is dying this time, and that CCP is starting to get very concerned and desperate... Look no further I'm waiting until CCP introduces life-time subscriptions before I close shop myself
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25346
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Posted - 2015.10.16 14:23:22 -
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Jill Xelitras wrote:Jonah you're not getting the mindset of people who love running L4 missions. From time to time I just want to relax by doing repetitive and yet fun, low risk activities involving 'splosions. That's when I get my trusty Raven, docked at my L4 agent's station. That station has all I need to do missions:
- several thousand cruise missiles
- appropriate T2 shield hardeners to swap out as needed
- T2 drones to replace the ones I manage to lose
- ...
I would actually love to be able to specifically select the mission I fly instead of getting a random one. Yes, I know that's paying a monthly fee to play a single player game ... but sometimes that's exactly what I want to do. ... I'm also exceptionally good at following instructions when putting together IKEA furniture. I had work colleagues who failed at building a simple chair. True story ... I get the mindset, I'm one of the people that almost exclusively does PvE, mostly level 3 and 4 mission blitzing for LP. It's easy isk unless I decide to challenge myself and do them in undersized ships.
As for the IKEA instructions.. damn you're better than I am.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Rykuss
In Praise Of Bacchus
146
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Posted - 2015.10.16 17:26:34 -
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Arthur Hannigen wrote:Things aren't looking good.
For the love of bread, CCP, revitalize high sec, PVE, and solo content. Plug the leak.
There are 99 reasons for why I no longer log in and the state of high-sec ain't one of em'.
Selling SP, CCP? Really?
You, too, can be a Solid Gold dancer.
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Arthur Hannigen
23
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Posted - 2015.10.17 00:49:03 -
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Kanye West wrote:CCP doesn't care about high sec people! |
Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
662
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Posted - 2015.10.17 02:36:37 -
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Arthur Hannigen wrote:Kanye West wrote:CCP doesn't care about high sec people!
When asked about Null Sec Sov changes:
George W Bush wrote:Mission Accomplished!
Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
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Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
240
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Posted - 2015.10.17 03:40:01 -
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Mir Jana wrote:I was wondering about something...
January 2014 - average was 41k online
June 2014 - average was 32k online
December 2014 - average was 27k online
May 2015 - average was 21k online
August 2015 - average is 16k online
today I logged in at 14793 online.....
What can CCP do to re-build its populace cause obviously something is rotten in the state of Iceland...?
Socket Closed.
This issue alone is enough to make me quit.
On speedtest.net I ping at 20ms I download at 39 Mbps and upload at 17 Mbps.
...and yet I constantly get socket closed.
It's annoying. ******* annoying. I wouldn't be surprised if this is a hidden issue that's making players quit.
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Thinking inside Schrodinger's sandbox.
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Shaidana
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.10.17 04:17:27 -
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When I'm the last one to quit eve who will I give my stuff too?? |
Zihao
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
181
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Posted - 2015.10.17 04:23:34 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:If anyone needed any confirmation that Eve really is dying this time, and that CCP is starting to get very concerned and desperate... Look no further
Dis gun be gud. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
4041
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Posted - 2015.10.17 07:17:01 -
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Zihao wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:If anyone needed any confirmation that Eve really is dying this time, and that CCP is starting to get very concerned and desperate... Look no further Dis gun be gud.
Yes, I know, there's 118 pages of threadnaught filled with about 2,000 ways of saying "no hell no" and zero dev messages past the first ones in pages 1 and 7, but that doesn't matters, it's just a "knee-jerk" reaction.
What matters is that it's officially endorsed and supported by Grrredit and Mittens.com, so BOHICA. 
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Thonys Visser
Green Visstick High
10
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Posted - 2015.10.17 12:29:09 -
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Well if you ask me
they have killed the birth grounds of EVE also called high sec
people want to have fun and opportunities (even in HS)
but people do not want to be FORCED into low or any other dangerous place
*only when they are ready to ...
and thats just the fundamental mistake they have made
*the reason for them was money.
also the difficulty level has increased significant (learning curce) what scares people away)they have tried to do some beginner tuts but thats just a small part of the entire game)
high sec players miss a lot of content that is currently available in low and wh
for example there is no arkonor in HS (you might ask yourself how the hell does a rock knows he should not be in HS )
it doesn't make sense at all
also the game has become more expensive
and that also reduces game population
there are a lot of SF games on the horizon
Eve has become:.. Elite EVE Sitizens (just a joke with words and games :) )
BUT..there is a solution :
Stop the learning curve
bring back the opportunities to HS for the birth population( young players)in hs
(low profit in hs but much more in low )
Advertise more and Make the game cheaper > (volume of net money will not drop if more people are in the game)
Remember: players are not clones, just slaves.... :)
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Thierry Orlenard
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2015.10.17 13:23:41 -
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I took a break of nearly exactly two years and I have been stunned at the precipitous drop in activity in the time I've been gone. Although I'd like to think that my absence from the game made the difference and that now I am back, it'll all be better, deep down I know it's a coincidence. (That's a joke, for all you sperglords out there.) Seriously though, I have little to offer the discussion that hasn't been said aside from a few observations that are perhaps unique to one who left at the height of the game and is now returning.
The suggestions that highsec has been "killed" and "nerfed" and that this is the reason for the mass exodus -- that's ridiculous. Compared to two years ago, highsec is a paradise for carebearing. Highsec wars now appear to mostly consist of big merc groups hanging out on the docs of the trade hubs; whole expanses of .06 and .05 systems are full of unmined belts, waiting to be harvested; and CODE. and maybe some folks who go after the big blingy mission ships are the only people trying to inject a little excitement into the whole scene.
IMO, the fact that highsec is too boring might be driving people away, see my comments below. But that wouldn't be the only reason; that's too easy. A too boring highsec ties into to what I've been mulling over since returning and starting a new character to ease back in.
This game makes an incredible first impression but also a potentially frustrating one. As of now, there's no real tutorial. "Opportunities" can be very confusing to a brand new player and that system does nothing to inform him of the actual opportunities that the game has in store. The rookie channel scrolls by fast but if he's lucky he may get the advice to hit F12 and find the career agents. How many don't get that instruction? And of the ones that do, they get tutorial missions that, while still useful in that they are leagues better than Opportunities, still need updating. There's far too much emphasis on mining as a career path, as an example. I've seen time and again, new players in the rookie channel commenting that the game is boring because mining is boring. Well, duh.
Kudos to groups like Pandemic Horde for actively reaching out and trying to connect with newbros to let them know that the game isn't about mining because the game itself isn't doing that!
Coffee thoughts, lots of coffee thoughts. |
Portmanteau
oooh ponies
95
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Posted - 2015.10.17 14:21:32 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:What's more important to the populace?
A populated game with people who haven't played as long as the bitter vets flying around in ships those veterans feel the noobs shouldn't have a right to pilot?
Or an unpopulated game with the few remaining actives station spinning in their titans and carriers with nothing to shoot at because they refuse to change the game to allow new people to access available content faster?
Like I'm really sorry the world has reached this point where we're not as patient as you wish we would be. But are you willing to punish yourselves by driving new players from the game by holding them back from all the neat things you show them you can do thanks to the simple choice of starting the game earlier?
Nice false dichotomy you have there. How about dealing with the NPE and perceived/real barrier of entry in a way that all players can access not just rich in game vets and rich in real life new guys ? |
k Rose
Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2015.10.17 14:22:29 -
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Incursions, Worm Holes and Anomaly's made EVE ONLINE **** |
Colonel Midnight
Copper Serpents
1
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Posted - 2015.10.17 14:43:14 -
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Problem with EVE now is that there's too much content.
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
706
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Posted - 2015.10.17 15:00:41 -
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Colonel Midnight wrote:Problem with EVE now is that there's too much content.
And content is never really interconnected. Wormholes was one of the better content adders since it was fitted well into known space. The fact you never have control of the way in and need to work through other systems eliminated any full play disconnect.
Rest of it is just a carnival minigame. Most of the existing content could be dramatically improved just by adding small tweaks to integrage playstyles. Any new content should tie these together, not be stand alone.
Drifter incursions potentially have this, at least the pve vs pvp community. If they spread over time, pies might not have the tools to counter them. Will need to give pass to pvers to eliminate, if the pies cared about pve peeps becoming pvp, then would use that to entice em to join up in low and null?
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Artemis Ellery Sazas
Shock and Awe Inc.
60
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Posted - 2015.10.17 16:13:06 -
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Sorry guys, but the problem with EVE subs right now is PLEX prices. I don't PLEX myself, but know plenty of guys that do and they have either left completely or dropped extra accounts because of high prices. It seems the "breaking" point was somewhere around 750 mill for PLEX and as PLEX rises, subs have gone down.
Jump fatigue and the new sov system have also contributed to the decline in numbers, but I would say overall, especially in high sec, PLEX prices are the main issue for declining numbers. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
4042
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Posted - 2015.10.17 16:26:43 -
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Artemis Ellery Sazas wrote:Sorry guys, but the problem with EVE subs right now is PLEX prices. I don't PLEX myself, but know plenty of guys that do and they have either left completely or dropped extra accounts because of high prices. It seems the "breaking" point was somewhere around 750 mill for PLEX and as PLEX rises, subs have gone down.
Jump fatigue and the new sov system have also contributed to the decline in numbers, but I would say overall, especially in high sec, PLEX prices are the main issue for declining numbers.
If PLEX went back to 750 mil, I bet EVE subs rise 25%.
Except that CCP has stated openly that they do track PLEX prices and subscriptions, and they intervene to regulate PLEX prices whenever it threatenss subscriptions.
They also have acknowledged that the people leaving the game are highsec players.
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Singur Augurao
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.10.17 17:47:28 -
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CCP should sell PLEX at a steady price of ~900 mil in just a few stations located in high sec. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I
Ineluctable.
1680
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Posted - 2015.10.17 17:55:46 -
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Singur Augurao wrote:CCP should sell PLEX at a steady price of ~900 mil in just a few stations located in high sec.
why does it have to be highsec, why not low or nullsec? silly idea anyway
Recruiting V I R I I Small Gang Nullsec PVP
Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic | Angel Cartel | Serpentis |
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Singur Augurao
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.10.17 18:13:37 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Singur Augurao wrote:CCP should sell PLEX at a steady price of ~900 mil in just a few stations located in high sec. why does it have to be highsec, why not low or nullsec? silly idea anyway
Because of the suicide gankers focusing on the antrepreneurs that will eventualy try to move some PLEX to low/null. This way newb just like miself won"t be so dissapointed because losing ships so often to a 5 yo char while minibg or doing missions.This is just one of the good things that can happen for this game subs numbers. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I
Ineluctable.
1680
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Posted - 2015.10.17 18:21:43 -
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Singur Augurao wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Singur Augurao wrote:CCP should sell PLEX at a steady price of ~900 mil in just a few stations located in high sec. why does it have to be highsec, why not low or nullsec? silly idea anyway Because of the suicide gankers focusing on the antrepreneurs that will eventualy try to move some PLEX to low/null. This way newb just like miself won"t be so dissapointed because losing ships so often to a 5 yo char while minibg or doing missions.This is just one of the good things that can happen for this game subs numbers.
dont know why people need to move plex they can be activated anywhere
Recruiting V I R I I Small Gang Nullsec PVP
Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic | Angel Cartel | Serpentis |
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Singur Augurao
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.10.17 18:26:31 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Singur Augurao wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Singur Augurao wrote:CCP should sell PLEX at a steady price of ~900 mil in just a few stations located in high sec. why does it have to be highsec, why not low or nullsec? silly idea anyway Because of the suicide gankers focusing on the antrepreneurs that will eventualy try to move some PLEX to low/null. This way newb just like miself won"t be so dissapointed because losing ships so often to a 5 yo char while minibg or doing missions.This is just one of the good things that can happen for this game subs numbers. dont know why people need to move plex they can be activated anywhere
I understand that many players can*t go to highsec ? |
Divine Entervention
Rational Chaos Inc.
Phoebe Freeport Republic
698
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Posted - 2015.10.17 18:27:25 -
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heh, 12 thrashers and 2 catalysts tried ganking my tengu in inaya last night.
didn't work because they're bad and I'm better than them at EvE.
There are very very few times you'll die in this game where it was unavoidable. |
Zappity
Black Aces
I N F A M O U S
2500
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Posted - 2015.10.17 20:20:45 -
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Singur Augurao wrote:CCP should sell PLEX at a steady price of ~900 mil in just a few stations located in high sec.
You are making the mistake of thinking that plex exists so you can play the game for free. It does not. It's primary purpose is to combat RMT. For this purpose, the case could be argued that a higher price is better.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Mira Stargazer
Epic Warfare
64
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Posted - 2015.10.18 01:00:11 -
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I think the reason is a bit more complex than just looking at the PLEX prices.
Personally I lost a bit of interest lately with all the fixes of non-broken things without adding to the gameplay. For example the new map, colorless GUI, the overview icon madness. And at the same time broken things, like the launcher, seemed to never get attention.
Of course these things didn't make me angry enough to quit playing, but I'm sure such things can contribute if you are not very dedicated to the game.
I have feelings, I can smile - and murder while!
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Divine Entervention
Rational Chaos Inc.
Phoebe Freeport Republic
702
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Posted - 2015.10.18 03:58:37 -
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I like EvE because it's like Elite:dangerous except alot easier. |
Colonel Midnight
Copper Serpents
2
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Posted - 2015.10.18 04:55:05 -
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moved into a wh, was either that or leaving the game... :(
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Artemis Ellery Sazas
Shock and Awe Inc.
61
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Posted - 2015.10.18 11:58:20 -
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I don't know what CCP's policies are about PLEX, but with all due respect, I think they may be in a bit of denial. I am just going by what I hear in chat and on comms, players like idea of "playing for free". When PLEX becomes too much of a grind for these players to afford, they feel like their time is wasted and are leaving the game. My old alliance have pretty much left the game, mostly due to the rising cost of "playing for free". Some of these guys were long time players and ran several accounts each, but ended up spending most of their time playing to PLEX.
Let's face it, who hasn't gone into a store and seen a sign buy 1 get 1 free? I bet some of you buy this item, not because you need it, but because you are getting an extra one for free. C'mon admit it, I work in retail, I know this is true! All I am saying is that players like the idea of "free", even though that PLEX was actually bought by someone else.
I am not sure a fixed price for PLEX is the solution, but it would take away the price uncertainty of "playing for free", even if it was 1 billion and maybe start to stabilize the dropping numbers.
I also agree the existing game needs some love, before adding major new stuff. I actually wouldn't mind a rewind of about 3 years and wipe out some of blunders that have been added as "content". The ongoing issue with sov would be one of these. It's sad that so much work was put into something this large, but the new sov system needs to go to the scrap heap.
Fix the in game glitches, add a few small items, do some ship rebalancing and let players create the content. I do believe the launch of Citadels are a step in the right direction for large content and am very excited and a bit scared about how it will be introduced to the game.
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