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Jessica Keyes Phoenix Rising Fleet Dirt Nap Squad. 38	Posted - 2015.10.02 19:32:08 - [31] - Quote I may be dumb but 50% reduction to ice duration role bonus, 5% per level in ice duration for mining frigate and 5% reduction in ice duration for expedition frigate... So if expedition frigate is level 5 then 50% + 5%(5) + 5%(5) = 100% reduction to ice harvest duration. Im sure there is stacking of some sort?
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1980	Posted - 2015.10.02 19:34:45 - [32] - Quote Jessica Keyes wrote: I may be dumb but 50% reduction to ice duration role bonus, 5% per level in ice duration for mining frigate and 5% reduction in ice duration for expedition frigate... So if expedition frigate is level 5 then 50% + 5%(5) + 5%(5) = 100% reduction to ice harvest duration. Im sure there is stacking of some sort? Reductions to ice mining speed stack multiplicatively, not additively. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
KuroVolt The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 2252	Posted - 2015.10.02 19:35:06 - [33] - Quote What colours will it have?! I demand to know the colours! BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
Bob Shaftoes TURN LEFT The Camel Empire 53	Posted - 2015.10.02 19:36:49 - [34] - Quote Any particular reason why this and the prospect dont get tech II resists? :p
Jessica Keyes Phoenix Rising Fleet Dirt Nap Squad. 38	Posted - 2015.10.02 19:39:36 - [35] - Quote Querns wrote: Jessica Keyes wrote: I may be dumb but 50% reduction to ice duration role bonus, 5% per level in ice duration for mining frigate and 5% reduction in ice duration for expedition frigate... So if expedition frigate is level 5 then 50% + 5%(5) + 5%(5) = 100% reduction to ice harvest duration. Im sure there is stacking of some sort? Reductions to ice mining speed stack multiplicatively, not additively. Ahh thanks
Kibitt Kallinikov Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate 12	Posted - 2015.10.02 19:40:23 - [36] - Quote CCP Terminus wrote: So without further ado, here are the stats: Base shield resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 0 / 50 / 40 / 20 Base armor resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 60 / 10 / 25 / 35 Interesting resist profile you have there. Did you swap Therm and Exp on accident? Also, t2 ORE resists when? (said the PvP pilot)
Ix Method Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 467	Posted - 2015.10.02 19:52:38 - [37] - Quote Querns wrote: The two utility highs on the Discovery are very interesting. +1, it's something the Prospect could use too too tbh. Travelling at the speed of love.
Harvey James The Sengoku Legacy 1200	Posted - 2015.10.02 19:55:25 - [38] - Quote so is there any difference between covert cloaks and when a normal cloaking device is put on this ship? T3's need to be versatile not have T2 resists, OP dps and tank obsoleting T2 ships entirely. ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name, remove drone assist, nerf sentries, -3 highslots for droneboats Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Winter Archipelago Autumn Industrial Enterprises 411	Posted - 2015.10.02 19:55:58 - [39] - Quote Schelyra Elyte wrote: CCP Terminus wrote: Bienator II wrote: the actual question is: what color is it? Laetitia Nzero wrote: What colour will it be? lol, art has the final say but I'm hoping for something icy How about an ice cream truck? with sounds? Ding-a-ling-a ring-a-ding, ring-a-ling-ding-dong, ring-a-ling-a-ling-a-ding dong-a-ling-a-ring-a-dong (bing-gong)! Planning a trip to Thera? Check out http://eve-scout.com/ for a list of the current connections. Once you've made your choice, join the *EvE-Scout* channel and request a scout to make sure your connection is clear!
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 14565	Posted - 2015.10.02 19:57:36 - [40] - Quote Quick question. Will the frigate ice lasers be able to be instantly de-activated without any cooldown on their use? Specifically, will this frigate be able to drop it's lasers and instantly activate a cov ops cloak? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.

SpaceSaft Capts Deranged Cavaliers Gentlemen's.Club 160	Posted - 2015.10.02 20:16:51 - [41] - Quote New hulls are always appreciated. Sorry math clarification question: procurer has 300 * 0.4 ( 1-skill0.02) = 108s / block ? and 12k ore hold + 2 low slots discovery has 360 * 0.5 (1-skill0.05)(1-skill0.05) = 101.25s / block ? and 15k ore hold + 3 low slots At max skills the discovery will mine faster than a procurer? Makes sense since one of the main reason to use the proc is the tank, but at least the cargohold seems rather large to me. Quote: The Discovery and Prospect will be the only ship capable of mining ice from the frigate only Shattered Wormholes. That doesn't really make sense to me. Everything can mine or harvest gas, nobody will harvest gas in something else than a venture or a prospect though, Why do you want to deny people the ability to mine ice (in ventures, with say half the boni), when you're not restricting gas? From a technical point of view I assume you're doing the expedition frigate restriction because you want to restrict the module to a ship class and the venture isn't it's own class, it's just a frigate, because :legacy code:? Doesn't explain why you want to restrict it in the first place... The one real complaint I have is that the 'discovery' is not a very fitting name for an industrial ship. Especially one that is as themed as this one. Can't really think of a... cool... name either. Reading up on southpole expeditions "Endurance" seems better, but not optimal either. Idk, maybe someone else in the thread has a better one? Anyway you should really keep "discovery" for an exploration themed ship.
Max Kolonko WATAHA. Unseen Wolves 558	Posted - 2015.10.02 20:28:27 - [42] - Quote Strata Maslav wrote: Ransu Asanari wrote: I agree- I don't see why the Venture shouldn't be able to fit these small ice harvesting lasers. It doesn't have any bonuses to ice harvesting, and only a 5000m3 cargobay, so it will be extremely inefficient compared to the Prospect/Discovery, but for a very new player at least it would let them participate during group ice mining operations without requiring a Mining Barge. The main thing here is to make sure they are not excluded from participating because of their low SP. I agree, even though from my perspective barges have a low SP ceiling there doesn't seem to be enough justification to stop the venture from using the new Ice mining lasers. We should stay clear of artificially limited modules, otherwise we will miss out on players finding interesting interactions. in wh there would be tons of people using them instead of training for t2 variant. Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff?
Selaria Unbertable POS Mortem Renegades Of Silence 101	Posted - 2015.10.02 20:34:54 - [43] - Quote Querns wrote: Jessica Keyes wrote: I may be dumb but 50% reduction to ice duration role bonus, 5% per level in ice duration for mining frigate and 5% reduction in ice duration for expedition frigate... So if expedition frigate is level 5 then 50% + 5%(5) + 5%(5) = 100% reduction to ice harvest duration. Im sure there is stacking of some sort? Reductions to ice mining speed stack multiplicatively, not additively. And if I did the math correctly, you end up with a reduction from 330s to 123,75s for the T2 ice lasers... Which means that the base harvesting time of the Discovery will be almost en par with a Skiff with a T2 Ice Harvester, since it will mine 2 blocks per cycle. Pretty amazing.
Selaria Unbertable POS Mortem Renegades Of Silence 101	Posted - 2015.10.02 20:44:20 - [44] - Quote CCP Terminus wrote: Discovery ... Role Bonuses: 200% bonus to Mining yield Are you sure it's not 100%? 200% would mean it can harvest 3 blocks per cycle. With all those duration reductions, that seems pretty strong. I mean, that would theoretically even surpass a Hulk. Not that I'm not fond of a pure ice harvesting ship, but that seems a lot... Looks like I have to train another alt into Expedition frigates sooner than later.
Harvey James The Sengoku Legacy 1200	Posted - 2015.10.02 20:45:10 - [45] - Quote SpaceSaft wrote: New hulls are always appreciated. Sorry math clarification question: procurer has 300 * 0.4 ( 1-skill0.02) = 108s / block ? and 12k ore hold + 2 low slots discovery has 360 * 0.5 (1-skill0.05)(1-skill0.05) = 101.25s / block ? and 15k ore hold + 3 low slots At max skills the discovery will mine faster than a procurer? Makes sense since one of the main reason to use the proc is the tank, but at least the cargohold seems rather large to me. Quote: The Discovery and Prospect will be the only ship capable of mining ice from the frigate only Shattered Wormholes. That doesn't really make sense to me. Everything can mine or harvest gas, nobody will harvest gas in something else than a venture or a prospect though, Why do you want to deny people the ability to mine ice (in ventures, with say half the boni), when you're not restricting gas? From a technical point of view I assume you're doing the expedition frigate restriction because you want to restrict the module to a ship class and the venture isn't it's own class, it's just a frigate, because :legacy code:? Doesn't explain why you want to restrict it in the first place... The one real complaint I have is that the 'discovery' is not a very fitting name for an industrial ship. Especially one that is as themed as this one. Can't really think of a... cool... name either. Reading up on southpole expeditions "Endurance" seems better, but not optimal either. Idk, maybe someone else in the thread has a better one? Anyway you should really keep "discovery" for an exploration themed ship. maybe the extractor T3's need to be versatile not have T2 resists, OP dps and tank obsoleting T2 ships entirely. ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name, remove drone assist, nerf sentries, -3 highslots for droneboats Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1831	Posted - 2015.10.02 21:46:46 - [46] - Quote Selaria Unbertable wrote: CCP Terminus wrote: Discovery ... Role Bonuses: 200% bonus to Mining yield Are you sure it's not 100%? 200% would mean it can harvest 3 blocks per cycle. With all those duration reductions, that seems pretty strong. I mean, that would theoretically even surpass a Hulk. Not that I'm not fond of a pure ice harvesting ship, but that seems a lot... Looks like I have to train another alt into Expedition frigates sooner than later. it says mining yield, so I was assuming that doesn't count vs ice. otherwise I think it would be insane for mining ice @ChainsawPlankto
elitatwo Eve Minions The-Company 865	Posted - 2015.10.02 21:55:17 - [47] - Quote CCP Terminus wrote: Discovery Expedition Frigates bonuses (per skill level): 5% reduction to Ice Harvesting duration 4% bonus to all shield resistances Mining Frigate bonuses (per skill level): 5% reduction to Ice Harvesting duration 5% bonus to Mining yield Thank you for listening! Now I have one concern. The Discovery will be the first tech 2 ship in EVE that has a tech 2 ship as requirement. Is that intended? It has never been the case that a tech2 ships comes from a tech2 ship. It would make much more sense if the Discovery would be a second tech2 iteration of the Venture like assault frigates do. Tired of low and nullsec? Join Eve Minions and experience the beauty of wormholes!
Alundil Isogen 5 1031	Posted - 2015.10.02 21:58:02 - [48] - Quote FT Diomedes wrote: I like the idea. I'm sure it will have some use for WH folks, but I have yet to ever see someone ninja mining ores in null sec - gas, yes - but not ores. Not sure ninja ice mining will ever be a thing. Shattered Wormholes have shattered ice belts. This ship will be the only ice miner capable of getting to those and harvesting ice. So there will be people using them for that in the interest of self-sufficiency. That would be my guess. I'm right behind you
Petrified Old and Petrified Syndication TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance 293	Posted - 2015.10.02 22:00:33 - [49] - Quote I am a bit curious how many people actually use the Prospect for mining? I would assume enough to generate the development of this new ship?
DarkAsh Andrard KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2015.10.02 22:02:42 - [50] - Quote Quote: CCP Terminus wrote: Discovery Expedition Frigates bonuses (per skill level): 5% reduction to Ice Harvesting duration 4% bonus to all shield resistances Mining Frigate bonuses (per skill level): 5% reduction to Ice Harvesting duration 5% bonus to Mining yield What I always wonder is why put that 2nd (per skill level) bonuses there, like if you had the option to train for it less. From what I've seen, all T2's require you to have that secondary skill (destroyer, frigate, cruiser, etc) to V before you can even start to train in the primary T2 skill, in this case Expedition Frigate. Why don't they just put that secondary skill set at x5 into the Role bonus or part of the stats. It would make things a lot clearer, since you have to train it anyway to V. e.g. Discovery Expedition Frigates bonuses (per skill level): 5% reduction to Ice Harvesting duration 4% bonus to all shield resistances Role Bonuses: 200% bonus to Mining yield 75% reduction to Ice Harvesting duration 50% reduction in Cloaking Devices CPU requirement 25% bonus to Mining yield Cloak reactivation delay and targeting delay reduced to 5 seconds No penalty to ship max velocity when using Cloaking Devices

Centurax Unsettled Unsettled. 67	Posted - 2015.10.02 22:03:45 - [51] - Quote Firstly this is very cool, cant wait to have these available. Not sure if 15,000 (15 ice blocks) is enough cargo space, how about giving it the ability to compress the ice blocks? Kinda a side note, but related: Ok we have the Venture, Prospect and now the Discovery, is there any chance of having a destroyer sized or a covert ops variation of the Noctis as a mining boost ship to go along with these ships?
DarkAsh Andrard KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2015.10.02 22:03:56 - [52] - Quote Petrified wrote: I am a bit curious how many people actually use the Prospect for mining? I would assume enough to generate the development of this new ship? I use it for gas mining (or did) all the time when I was in WH space. The bonus + covert cloak is awesome for ninja gas mining :)
Durakili Mindstar Technology Get Off My Lawn 1	Posted - 2015.10.02 22:49:16 - [53] - Quote Centurax wrote: Firstly this is very cool, cant wait to have these available. Not sure if 15,000 (15 ice blocks) is enough cargo space, how about giving it the ability to compress the ice blocks? Thats a Skiff hold..... so it should be ok.... Plus, its designed as the Ninja ice miner- so filling up fast and GFTO should be its M.O..... Although- if those yields stay, I'm going to ditch my Hulk miners and just run these puppies. The yield puts it in Hulk territory, with a faster align potential (and sig tanking rats as well)...
Tseehn Marhn Rat Duck 1	Posted - 2015.10.02 22:54:09 - [54] - Quote Harvey James wrote: so is there any difference between covert cloaks and when a normal cloaking device is put on this ship? You can't use a standard cloak while in warp.
Ersahi Kir Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 425	Posted - 2015.10.02 23:22:21 - [55] - Quote SpaceSaft wrote: New hulls are always appreciated. Sorry math clarification question: procurer has 300 * 0.4 ( 1-skill0.02) = 108s / block ? and 12k ore hold + 2 low slots discovery has 360 * 0.5 (1-skill0.05)(1-skill0.05) = 101.25s / block ? and 15k ore hold + 3 low slots At max skills the discovery will mine faster than a procurer? You're math is off. The procurer has 2x 2% bonuses (one for mining barge, one for exhumer). That will knock off another 10.8 seconds. elitatwo wrote: CCP Terminus wrote: Discovery Expedition Frigates bonuses (per skill level): 5% reduction to Ice Harvesting duration 4% bonus to all shield resistances Mining Frigate bonuses (per skill level): 5% reduction to Ice Harvesting duration 5% bonus to Mining yield Thank you for listening! Now I have one concern. The Discovery will be the first tech 2 ship in EVE that has a tech 2 ship as requirement. Is that intended? It has never been the case that a tech2 ships comes from a tech2 ship. It would make much more sense if the Discovery would be a second tech2 iteration of the Venture like assault frigates do. This ship uses the same skill as the prospect. They're not adding a new skill for it, they're adding another ship that is available to people who already have expedition frigates.
Harvey James The Sengoku Legacy 1200	Posted - 2015.10.02 23:24:18 - [56] - Quote Tseehn Marhn wrote: Harvey James wrote: so is there any difference between covert cloaks and when a normal cloaking device is put on this ship? You can't use a standard cloak while in warp. Ah, true, good point T3's need to be versatile not have T2 resists, OP dps and tank obsoleting T2 ships entirely. ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name, remove drone assist, nerf sentries, -3 highslots for droneboats Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Captain Davison Malachi Keep Detachments 30	Posted - 2015.10.02 23:27:40 - [57] - Quote Petrified wrote: I am a bit curious how many people actually use the Prospect for mining? I would assume enough to generate the development of this new ship? I do. Vastly safer than a conventional mining barge or ship for lowsec and nullsec mining. Well, maybe not friendly nullsec, but hostile? I know literally just yesterday I used one to evade a battlecruiser ambush squad. Cloaked when they dropped on the grid, angled myself nearly straight down off the ecliptic and burned to safety under cloak at 500 m/s. Poor guy couldn't catch me and sat around trying to figure out which way I might have gone while I orbited him at 75 km.
Galphii Oberon Incorporated Get Off My Lawn 346	Posted - 2015.10.02 23:39:05 - [58] - Quote Seems like a reasonable frigate with a very niche purpose (as t2 ships generally are). I do question the value of the ORE mining lasers and strips. Slightly better range is basically useless, especially for the prices these things tend to go for. How about a slightly better cycle time instead? More incentive to use them and of course more to lose when the ships explodes "Wow, that internet argument completely changed my fundamental belief system," said no one, ever.
Mr Grape Drink Sugar - Water - Purple Winmatar Republic 42	Posted - 2015.10.02 23:48:02 - [59] - Quote Can we discuss the faction variant? A range bonus isn't going to cut it on a frig sized module for ice. Look at the ORE Miner. It gets a bonus to M3 AND range. Making it kinda worth the value. Can you think about matching this to the Ice Miner as well? Thank you, A concerned resident of Outer Ring :D
Mr Grape Drink Sugar - Water - Purple Winmatar Republic 42	Posted - 2015.10.02 23:48:49 - [60] - Quote Galphii wrote: Seems like a reasonable frigate with a very niche purpose (as t2 ships generally are). I do question the value of the ORE mining lasers and strips. Slightly better range is basically useless, especially for the prices these things tend to go for. How about a slightly better cycle time instead? More incentive to use them and of course more to lose when the ships explodes Another who agrees with me :D



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