As much as I appreciate getting more hulls for existing resource harvesting types, can we PLEASE at least know if you're ever going to work on a ship tailored for gas harvesting?

I'm getting very irritated that being able to fit more than 2 gas cloud harvesters is completely useless, making the description of the skill completely redundant (except at stopping me from making the 8-vacuum ship I've always dreamed of).

All I've ever wanted is a ship with 6 highs, 5 turret hardpoints and an ore bay, CCP...

When the Discovery becomes available on Sisi - would be possible to have a fixed/permanent Shattered Wormhole which can be used to test this ship?

and naturally, when this will be available to put through some paces?

the venture mines gas faster than any other ship. and they made it cheap by only needing 2 harvesters. lv 5 of the skill gives t2 harvesters which is worth the train just for that.

so there is already a gas mining ship, then its t2 version is a ice mining ship (although not better than some barges) and the other t2 is just a better ninja than the t1.

When sis is updated to the December release it should be fully available to test. Before then there might be something there to test with, but it'll probably only be the pieces which needed to be submitted in order for art to do their part.

Is there any plan to remove Medium Ice Harvester Accelerator or add a small?

If my math is correct (big if :P) only Procurer and Retriever will be beaten for Ice harvesting at max skills with same number of ice rigs (0 or 1) with Covetor without rig is mine ice faster than Discovery would with rig.

With a rig the Discovery should beat Mackinaw/Skiff (without rig) by around 1.3sec per block


I see no harm in letting this ship get that extra 12% cycle bonus when its still on the same level as unrigged exhumers that either have massive EHP or cargo advantages

Expedition Frigates bonuses (per skill level):

5% reduction to Ice Harvesting duration
4% bonus to all shield resistances


Mining Frigate bonuses (per skill level):

5% reduction to Ice Harvesting duration
5% bonus to Mining yield

Expedition Frigates bonuses (per skill level):

5% reduction to Ice Harvesting duration
4% bonus to all shield resistances


Mining Frigate/MISC bonuses:

25% reduction to Ice Harvesting duration
25% bonus to Mining yield

This is something I really don't understand....

To fit your ass into a T2 ship you need the T1 ship prerequisites to lvl 5. (Minus the odd grandfather here and there.)

So why have (in this case) "Mining Frigate bonuses (per skill level)" Instead have "MISC Bonuses" or something similar.

15000 ore hold ON A FRIGATE ?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ?????? I look forward to the ore hold increase on every single barge and exhumer then, otherwise this makes no sense whatsoever.

15000 ore hold ON A FRIGATE ?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ?????? I look forward to the ore hold increase on every single barge and exhumer then, otherwise this makes no sense whatsoever.

I think it should mine + automatically compress the ore so you can mine for a long time before you have to haul it back.

I like this, however, it does put a bit of a skill wall up for younger players who wish to gather resources under hostile conditions.

I want echo the others in the cargo/ore bay size.

Repackaged frigates are 2500 m3
Unpacked they are what 20-30k m3

This ships ore bay is like half its size.

I feel CCP is doing a great job at giving as a new ship with a purpose ( as they failed to do so with the shattered wh even when those places have ore and ice), but the aspects of that new ship unbalance everything else.

Skiff = 100k m3 has an ore bay of 15k
Mac = 150k m3 has an ore bay of 35k
Hulk = 200k m2 has an ore bay of 8.5
(Check numbers - I remember you can fit 4 skiffs in an orca or two hulks.)

The ships M3 aka their area consumes while unpackaged and what they can have inside needs to have some logic - specially between purposes.
All theses ships have common build components by the lore - and thus should have near the same capacity

when you could lose sp there were edge cases where you could fly T2 ships with out lv5 of the t1

At this point there are no plans to remove the medium Ice Harvester Accelerator, nor will we be adding in a Small for the Discovery and Prospect to use.

The Discovery is, by design, the slowest ice mining ship (high individual block speed, slowest blocks/min). This is because it's not only cheaper to field one, but we want it to fulfill its own role instead of stepping on the toes of the mining barges and exhumers.

Are we going to see a Gas Expedition Frigate in the future as well? Kind of biased against the Gas People not developing one for them.

CCP Seagull used a different name than Discovery during the Vegas keynote. Did anyone catch it?

CCP Seagull used a different name than Discovery during the Vegas keynote. Did anyone catch it?

The Discovery has had it's name changed to the Endurance. This is to avoid confusion with Project Discovery, the citizen science initiative coming to EVE soon.

Or if you feel you need to be a little safer, the Prospect has the same gas harvesting bonuses.

Which edge cases were those? For as long as I've played using T2 ships required level V on the associated T1 ship skill (JFs aside) so if you lost the level V you wouldn't be able to fly the ship.

...also jump freighters don't require freighter at 5.

Endurance? Ew, I can't say I'm found of it and it doesn't fit the theme of mining frigates. Up till now we've had Venture and Prospect. Both these names call to mind images acquiring good (aka ores and gases) and have business feel to them. Endurance doesn't have either of these feels. Personally, I think Discovery is a much better name and fits the theme.

Couldn't agree more.

Unless they make it tank like a Skiff. In which case, ok.