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Boozbaz Brutor Clan 19	Posted - 2015.10.17 06:08:57 - [121] - Quote I just hope this isn't another push forward in power creep in EVE Online
Iam Widdershins Stop Breaking My Kayak 894	Posted - 2015.10.17 06:49:27 - [122] - Quote Iam Widdershins wrote: I was taken aback to see you were giving these new navy ships a full 400 calibration. Is this a typo, or an intentional move? It is normal for navy ships to have 400 calibration.[/quote] Ah... so it is. My mistake. Lobbying for your right to delete your signature
Danmal Proioxis Assault Force Exodus. 30	Posted - 2015.10.17 07:30:24 - [123] - Quote Midori Tsu wrote: The Navy Maulus makes me wonder why the Ishkur even exists. Don't worry. You are not alone. Everybody wonders why Assault Frigates currently exist.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 16825	Posted - 2015.10.17 07:39:15 - [124] - Quote Well these already need a nerf. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Greygal Redemption Road Affirmative. 488	Posted - 2015.10.17 09:48:37 - [125] - Quote Oh ya, oh ya, oh ya... I'm in lust already ... these are going to not only be a total blast in facwar space, can you imagine the fun I'll have running a public roam of 50-80 of these sweet pretty little brawling ewar beasts? Not sure I'm going to be able to sleep tonight, dreaming of them already!! GÖÑ What you do for yourself dies with you, what you do for others is immortal. Free weekly public roams & monthly NewBro new player roams! Visit Redemption Road or join mailing list REDEMPTION ROAMS for information
Jacob Holland Weyland-Vulcan Industries 437	Posted - 2015.10.17 09:56:36 - [126] - Quote Because bonus wording is sometimes... odd... The Amarr and Caldari Range bonuses are drastically reducing the EWar range to encourage the disruption ship into ranges where it can contribute through its weapons as well; rather than kiting around jamming at near max range with highslots which might as well be empty? TrouserDeagle wrote: and why do I want +1 scram strength? Stab'd De'plexing ships in FW? Enough scram to hold a Venture with a single module?
Moac Tor Cy-Core Industries Stain Confederation 193	Posted - 2015.10.17 10:15:58 - [127] - Quote Initial impressions are these ships look good but need some tweaking. Crucifier looks like it might need improvements. I guess the weapon disruptors could actually turn out to be very powerful when your playing with a small frigate like this, but I still think it should have more drones than the vigil for balance and flavour purposes. perhaps 15/30 or 20/40 would be enough. Griffin looks good, obviously ECM needs a rebalance anyway so this ship is by default going to be OP (see my proposal in my signature below). Maulus, I like how you haven't given it a drone damage bonus, and even with the scram range bonus its scram won't reach that far so I think although it will be powerful it is actually going to be ok. I don't think that +1 scram bonus fits though or is necessary. Why would this ship get it and not other more specialised ships such as the Arazu. Vigil, I haven't done the maths but it looks like it could be quite powerful in terms of dps, will have to look later. It can't project that far though much like the maulus so it should be easy enough to take care of. All in all I like the fact you are forcing these to operate at a fairly close range, it is a good concept and will mean it is pretty easy to counter all of them. ECM needs a rebalance though. Suggestion for a rebalance of ECM - Modulated ECM Effects
Phoenix Jones Small-Arms Fire 1569	Posted - 2015.10.17 11:32:25 - [128] - Quote .... Here is the deal. They could have bled off a bulk of the bonuses to the existing t2 ewar frigs, vs releasing these. Heck I think they still should. Dunno I think these need a little more thought and/or conceptualizing. These concern me a bit. Yaay!!!!
Max Reborn Drunken astronauts Space Marines. 4	Posted - 2015.10.17 12:12:25 - [129] - Quote Maulus Navy - doom for stabbed lowsec explorers
Rivr Luzade Kenshin. DARKNESS. 2031	Posted - 2015.10.17 12:20:53 - [130] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Well these already need a nerf. In a month or two. In the beginning, you are supposed to have fun with them and derp around. That's CCP's development guideline nowadays. UI Improvement Collective My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.

Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore 2670	Posted - 2015.10.17 12:31:18 - [131] - Quote Ares Desideratus wrote: Maulus already gets two of the best ewar bonuses, sensor damps, which work on practically everything, + warp scram range, and the crucifier is stuck with tracking disruptors which while good are only good against turrets, why not give it a bonus to neutralizer range or power? Still cool ships tho Navy Maulus doesn't get a sensor damp bonus, Navy Crucifier gets a bonus to both types of weapon disruptors. Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm The Succubus looks meaner But the Revenant cleaner Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm
Divine Entervention Rational Chaos Inc. Phoebe Freeport Republic 697	Posted - 2015.10.17 13:29:58 - [132] - Quote The only one I really paid attention to was the griffin because it's the only one I have experience with. The short targeting range looks like it's trying to nudge the griffin out of sitting back and jamming at max 80ish km ranges with racial jammers and instead getting into close range brawling. As a solo ship, I never really felt as though the griffin had a decent chance. The rainbow config was nice but that was more for small fleet support and completely removed the option of having the ability to hold someone down with a point and web. Multi-spectrals were too weak which resulted in missing most jam attempts, and the griffin's DPS wasn't high enough to afford multiple missed jam cycles. So while you could have like, 2 multi-specs, a point, a web, and a prop mod, the lower jam strength with still zero tank meant you were always on the disadvantageous side of the gamble of attempting anything by yourself. These changes seem like they'll result in their having a fighting chance, which considering they'll most definitely cost about 20x-30x more than your standard griffin, I think it's justified. The small turret bonus looks good. You couldn't really get respectable DPS with the 2 rocket launchers before. It was a contributing factor that coupled with it's zero actual tank and the other ships most likely having one while the griffin's only chance was pure luck from a low-strength jam resulted in griffins more than not rolling snake eyes and blowing up. I like that 1 missile turret hard point btw. It means I can fit a light missile launcher on it and have it spit out defender missiles negating anywhere from 25-33% incoming dps from other frigates while still having the hybrids rain hell. But whatever ends up happening, unless it's completely worthless, people are going to complain about it. People seem to have this selfish idea that they're never suppose to be on the receiving end of bad luck, only the other guy. Only the griffin pilot is suppose to have bad luck. But I dunno, I like the idea of chance. For me, the idea of circumstances out of my control is enticing. But I guess others just can't seem to shake the notion that they're infallible, God's gift, King of the World, whatever it is that makes them so angry whenever they die and enjoy the experience for the experience and not only focus on the end result. But whatever, immature noobs will be immature noobs. +1 for GNI
Ben Ishikela 64	Posted - 2015.10.17 14:03:54 - [133] - Quote Finaly. I waited for this soooo Fing long. And the stats are beautiful. - DroneBay of Maulus is a big one. But look below why that is needed. It will be so much fun, to see the MNI vs. GNI: M:sits far outside range. G: comes closer. deploys ecm-hornet. waits for hornet to hit while killing M's drones. M: kites happily at 15. playing the "in-out"-game. G: His drone finaly hit the Jackpot. Not scrammed(/webbed) by M anymore. Able to come close with heated MWD fast. M: Still doing DPS with drones. G: is at 1000m now wrecking with blasters. ... G: "oh sh*. failed Jam. M: "Yess!". able to burn range again, bc sameSpeed, but more web. .... Repeat! (until maulus drones are dead or Griffin gets lucky in a row (M's 16SS).) But seriously ... RAILS! --- Also Griffin>Worm. (....shhhhh) --- Hey! What is their CargoSize? This is important for G/C/M/V to be able to refit with mobile depot prior to fight. --- RailGriffinOP.... MaulusOP.....VigilOP.... Crucifierwait a minuteOP, because killing everything larger than a frigate (that has no utility-neuts etc ---> stealth buffing the stabber ). But where is that tank w00t l0l* Therefor they are in a very good shape. Ty. Remove JumpFreighters/CloakHauler/CloakTrick and make a new T2Freighter(mjd&LotsOfCargo&moreTank, but no JumpDrive). Because we need more opportunities for piracy, escorts and decentralised economy! ...also Convoys.
Desiderya Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 1062	Posted - 2015.10.17 14:12:03 - [134] - Quote After a nights sleep some summed up thoughts: Incentivizing EWAR into brawling range is a neat idea and the ships could be able to complement this with additional staying power and damage to validate using them over the standard EWAR frigates. As they are proposed now they kill any incentive to use any other frigate outside of some very special cases (Worm, Garmur) because they are extremely strong in small fights and offer outright the same (ehp, dmg) in scaled up situations or get a bonus that lend itself to tackling/kiting. The worst offender is the Griffin as there is literally everything wrong with it. If you want to brawl in a frigate there is nothing better, even if you don't include a racial ECM module. It's also designed that it lives long enough in case you're lucky with your ECCM. But even if it only did 100 dps it would still be a pretty unfun ship to fight. Why ECM ever made it into that list lies beyond me. If it has to be ECM I'd suggest reducing the range further, because the only way to fight this is to never get within 10km for a second, depending how on the ball the pilot is. ( Good thing it can also fit railguns. ). 2.5km+2.5km looks managable as you literally only need to jam once to win. Alternatives could be trying weaker fast cycling ECM (interrupting, not completely locking you for 20s) Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Count Szadek The Looney Bin 12	Posted - 2015.10.17 14:19:01 - [135] - Quote Would really like to see the navy crucifier have a tracking bonus over damage personally. either that or more damage. it is going to be a great sig tanking scram kiter imo, and could use the tracking to help apply damage
Xavier Azabu Tarantism 27	Posted - 2015.10.17 14:21:03 - [136] - Quote I like them. They add variety to small roaming gangs as stated. One of the major questions is their market price. If it is too low, expect some groups to use these en masse with newbros. (especially the Griffin Navy and Crucifier Navy) I think that the Maulus Navy and Vigil Fleet will be gatecamp darlings. They both have similar scan resolution to the Keres and Hyena. Imagine that +3 scram strength combined with a 15km+ web. And on top of that they will apply decent damage given their size. Obviously pro solo pilots will enjoy these two as well due to the range dictation. Reading through all of the comments I think that people are underestimating the Griffin Navy's potential. It will be a really great ship to get a low skill friend or two into for fleet support. Crucifier Navy will be a nice ship in the hangar to completely nerf some missile boats with the new disruptors. Powergrid seems about right as well. The CPU and bonuses definitely make these ships very niche. Not something to bring against a T3 destroyer gang but in the right hands could do some work.
Ares Desideratus Minmatar Brotherhood Ushra'Khan 280	Posted - 2015.10.17 14:41:26 - [137] - Quote Reaver Glitterstim wrote: Ares Desideratus wrote: Maulus already gets two of the best ewar bonuses, sensor damps, which work on practically everything, + warp scram range, and the crucifier is stuck with tracking disruptors which while good are only good against turrets, why not give it a bonus to neutralizer range or power? Still cool ships tho Navy Maulus doesn't get a sensor damp bonus, Navy Crucifier gets a bonus to both types of weapon disruptors. Yup, thanks. I really misunderstood what I was reading here.
Thanatos Marathon Black Fox Marauders 529	Posted - 2015.10.17 15:00:06 - [138] - Quote Navy Maulus is going to be too strong.
Portmanteau oooh ponies 96	Posted - 2015.10.17 15:16:15 - [139] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Griffin Navy Issue Caldari Frigate bonuses (per skill level): 20% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage 20% bonus to ECM strength Misc Bonus: -85% penalty to ECM optimal range and falloff -50% reduction to ECM Jammer activation cost Slot layout: 3 H, 5 M, 2 L, 2 Turret, 1 Launcher 3 Rig Slots, 400 Calibration Fittings: 40 PWG, 200 CPU Defense (shields / armour / hull): 650 / 400 / 400 Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 425 / 212.5s / 2 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / warp speed / align time): 325 / 3.45 / 1,056,000 / 5 / 5.05s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 5 / 5 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 65km / 600 / 5 Sensor strength: 17 Gravimetric Signature radius: 40 ! yay... another ship for tryhards to roll around in and anyone with any sense to just avoid engaging entirely. We really need less plex cancer not more fozzie
Fourteen Maken Omega Industry Inc. The Ditanian Alliance 213	Posted - 2015.10.17 15:49:51 - [140] - Quote Portmanteau wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: Griffin Navy Issue Caldari Frigate bonuses (per skill level): 20% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage 20% bonus to ECM strength Misc Bonus: -85% penalty to ECM optimal range and falloff -50% reduction to ECM Jammer activation cost Slot layout: 3 H, 5 M, 2 L, 2 Turret, 1 Launcher 3 Rig Slots, 400 Calibration Fittings: 40 PWG, 200 CPU Defense (shields / armour / hull): 650 / 400 / 400 Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 425 / 212.5s / 2 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / warp speed / align time): 325 / 3.45 / 1,056,000 / 5 / 5.05s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 5 / 5 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 65km / 600 / 5 Sensor strength: 17 Gravimetric Signature radius: 40 ! yay... another ship for tryhards to roll around in and anyone with any sense to just avoid engaging entirely. We really need less plex cancer not more fozzie -85% ecm range... ecm with a range of 4km, would you really waste a mid on that? 325 m/s... about the same speed as a merlin the only bonus on it that anyone can use is 20% dmg bonus. This is a piece of ****, if you want to do ecm get a griffin, or basically any ship that isn't this one. If you want to brawl get a merlin. The Griffin and the Crucifier are garbage, the vigil and the Maulus are pure cancer. wow balance Support a fairer loyalty point market for faction war: The sinews of war; infinite money.

Altrue Exploration Frontier inc 1973	Posted - 2015.10.17 15:55:18 - [141] - Quote The idea sounds good, but the range penalty is just too damn high, give this e-war the optimal range of a scrambler. I understand that you want them to e-war at close range but come on, 4km range is ridiculously short. As for the Maulus and Vigil, I feel like range bonuses kind of defeat the whole point. I'd have loved to see bonuses encouraging close combat for these two too, e-war wise. Signature Tanking Best Tanking Retired Exploration Frontier Inc [Ex-F] CEO - Ex-BRAVE - Eve-guides.fr
Portmanteau oooh ponies 96	Posted - 2015.10.17 15:57:52 - [142] - Quote Fourteen Maken wrote: Portmanteau wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: Griffin Navy Issue Caldari Frigate bonuses (per skill level): 20% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage 20% bonus to ECM strength Misc Bonus: -85% penalty to ECM optimal range and falloff -50% reduction to ECM Jammer activation cost Slot layout: 3 H, 5 M, 2 L, 2 Turret, 1 Launcher 3 Rig Slots, 400 Calibration Fittings: 40 PWG, 200 CPU Defense (shields / armour / hull): 650 / 400 / 400 Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 425 / 212.5s / 2 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / warp speed / align time): 325 / 3.45 / 1,056,000 / 5 / 5.05s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 5 / 5 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 65km / 600 / 5 Sensor strength: 17 Gravimetric Signature radius: 40 ! yay... another ship for tryhards to roll around in and anyone with any sense to just avoid engaging entirely. We really need less plex cancer not more fozzie -85% ecm range... ecm with a range of 4km, would you really waste a mid on that? 325 m/s... about the same speed as a merlin the only bonus on it that anyone can use is 20% dmg bonus. This is a piece of ****, if you want to do ecm get a griffin, or basically any ship that isn't this one. If you want to brawl get a merlin. The Griffin and the Crucifier are garbage, the vigil and the Maulus are pure cancer. wow balance When you are jammed you lose range control as well as damage, I get where you are coming from but it's not hard to jam a frigate. But I guess I'll reserve judgment on this until we get some reports from sisi, I am just hoping they don't all say "permajammed by navy griffin". It's not unusual for 2 low slot frigs to fit armor tank and fill mids with Ewar, if the ECM is effective enough then a dual web/point/ECM/prop fit will be quite nasty and certainly zero fun at all for anyone on the other end of it. I guess it depends alot on how long the opponent spends unable to lock.
Divine Entervention Rational Chaos Inc. Phoebe Freeport Republic 697	Posted - 2015.10.17 16:35:37 - [143] - Quote How fun is it for the griffin when he has no web/point to hold a guy down and he just warps away? Or when he's fit with 2 multi spectrals, a prop mod, a point, and web but misses every jam cycle and loses because he has zero tank? EWAR is like the ultimate game of chance. Not only do you have to fly properly, but you're giving up control of your fate to chance. That's balls. Balls should be rewarded.
Ray P State Protectorate Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.10.17 16:42:00 - [144] - Quote Portmanteau wrote: Fourteen Maken wrote: Portmanteau wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: Griffin Navy Issue Caldari Frigate bonuses (per skill level): 20% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage 20% bonus to ECM strength Misc Bonus: -85% penalty to ECM optimal range and falloff -50% reduction to ECM Jammer activation cost Slot layout: 3 H, 5 M, 2 L, 2 Turret, 1 Launcher 3 Rig Slots, 400 Calibration Fittings: 40 PWG, 200 CPU Defense (shields / armour / hull): 650 / 400 / 400 Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 425 / 212.5s / 2 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / warp speed / align time): 325 / 3.45 / 1,056,000 / 5 / 5.05s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 5 / 5 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 65km / 600 / 5 Sensor strength: 17 Gravimetric Signature radius: 40 ! yay... another ship for tryhards to roll around in and anyone with any sense to just avoid engaging entirely. We really need less plex cancer not more fozzie -85% ecm range... ecm with a range of 4km, would you really waste a mid on that? 325 m/s... about the same speed as a merlin the only bonus on it that anyone can use is 20% dmg bonus. This is a piece of ****, if you want to do ecm get a griffin, or basically any ship that isn't this one. If you want to brawl get a merlin. The Griffin and the Crucifier are garbage, the vigil and the Maulus are pure cancer. wow balance When you are jammed you lose range control as well as damage, I get where you are coming from but it's not hard to jam a frigate. But I guess I'll reserve judgment on this until we get some reports from sisi, I am just hoping they don't all say "permajammed by navy griffin". It's not unusual for 2 low slot frigs to fit armor tank and fill mids with Ewar, if the ECM is effective enough then a dual web/point/ECM/prop fit will be quite nasty and certainly zero fun at all for anyone on the other end of it. I guess it depends alot on how long the opponent spends unable to lock. i didn't notice the -85% range penalty on first reading this will be no use to anyone. I don't use ecm on unbonused hulls, everyone goes with damps or tracking disruptors instead, but this is worse than an unbonused, it's penalised.
Ray P State Protectorate Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.10.17 16:43:34 - [145] - Quote Divine Entervention wrote: How fun is it for the griffin when he has no web/point to hold a guy down and he just warps away? Or when he's fit with 2 multi spectrals, a prop mod, a point, and web but misses every jam cycle and loses because he has zero tank? EWAR is like the ultimate game of chance. Not only do you have to fly properly, but you're giving up control of your fate to chance. That's balls. Balls should be rewarded. but nobody will want to risk a faction frig on a coin toss. this is a terrible ship, they are all either horribly OP or utterly useless.
Ray P State Protectorate Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.10.17 17:01:51 - [146] - Quote Quote: Vigil Fleet Issue Minmatar Frigate bonuses (per skill level): 5% bonus to Rocket and Light Missile explosion velocity 25% bonus to explosive missile damage, 20% bonus to em, thermal and kinetic missile damage Misc Bonus: +50% Stasis Webifier range Slot layout: 3 H, 4 M, 3 L, 1 Turret, 2 Launchers 3 Rig Slots, 400 Calibration Fittings: 38 PWG, 190 CPU Defense (shields / armour / hull): 525 / 525 / 425 Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 300 / 150s / 2 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / warp speed / align time): 400 / 3.2 / 1,080,000 / 5 / 4.79s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 15 / 15 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 65km / 660 / 5 Sensor strength: 13 Ladar Signature radius: 34 Can you confirm if the 'Missile' Damage bonus only applies to light missiles and not rockets?
Ylein Kashuken SQUIDS. 0	Posted - 2015.10.17 17:03:00 - [147] - Quote Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't navy ships meant as improved t1 versions? Vigil/Crucifier follow this example, but Griffin/Maulus are terrible. Maulus should have improved bonus to damps and drones, not to scram.. this will be very OP ship making it very demanded in LP store. Griffin is terrible. I guess you wanted to make some special and funny frigate, but why would someone risk flying this as solo ship when you have way better options, usage in fleet and small gang is almost none. Most ppl will prefer normal griffin. Not to speak that it won't be used and Caldari LP store will have another useless item in it. Solution for griffin is easy, place it between griffin and kitsune. For example: (per skill level) 17.5% Bonus to targeted ECM strenght 10% cap reduction for activation 5% optimal range bonus That way navy griffin will be between those two and caldari LP store will have good item that ppl might buy.
Portmanteau oooh ponies 97	Posted - 2015.10.17 17:06:20 - [148] - Quote Ray P wrote: i didn't notice the -85% range penalty on first reading this will be no use to anyone. I don't use ecm on unbonused hulls, everyone goes with damps or tracking disruptors instead, but this is worse than an unbonused, it's penalised. It gets 20% per level to ecm strength ....
Ray P State Protectorate Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.10.17 17:13:56 - [149] - Quote Portmanteau wrote: Ray P wrote: i didn't notice the -85% range penalty on first reading this will be no use to anyone. I don't use ecm on unbonused hulls, everyone goes with damps or tracking disruptors instead, but this is worse than an unbonused, it's penalised. It gets 20% per level to ecm strength .... woopie double strength ecm with 4km range then. so useful im sure
Portmanteau oooh ponies 97	Posted - 2015.10.17 17:18:45 - [150] - Quote Ray P wrote: Portmanteau wrote: Ray P wrote: i didn't notice the -85% range penalty on first reading this will be no use to anyone. I don't use ecm on unbonused hulls, everyone goes with damps or tracking disruptors instead, but this is worse than an unbonused, it's penalised. It gets 20% per level to ecm strength .... woopie double strength ecm with 4km range then. so useful im sure Dual web fit will keep target permanently in jam range. It will also keep target permanently in 20% per lvl blaster range. It will also slow target enough to use void. If you cant make use of that you should probably biomass.



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