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Sha'Uri Dark
Freelancing Corp
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.12.31 16:10:00 -
[91]
Edited by: Sha''Uri Dark on 31/12/2006 16:16:27
I've installed both the RAMDisk and the NTFS Link programs but when I right-click the Cache folder on the ram drive and try to create a link to the Eve install I get:
Failed to create junction. Most likely the target file system does not support this function.
It's already NTFS, so I'm kinda at a lose as to what to try/do next.
EDIT: The RAM drive that was created is FAT file system. Should this be NTFS and if so how do I change it to NTFS?
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As a Freelancer...scratch that  Originally by: Shar Tegral
Stop projecting your out of game beliefs of what society should be upon the rest of us.
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Elliot Reid
Digital Fury Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.31 16:15:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Belautis
This sounds like Eve ReadyBoost :). Anyone tried to run eve off a 2 or 4 Gb USB pendrive ? Is it a lot faster ? They've dropped down in price a lot, might be interesting to give that a go ;).
I just stuck EVE on my newly acquired USB2 pen drive and it was smooth. I didn't use my main or alt as they're .0 based and I didn't want to risk it. I had a mess around with an 800k sp alt in low sec and it was good. If I grow the stones I'll try it in a PvP op in .0 
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Zerker
Caldari
The Buccaneers
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Posted - 2006.12.31 16:29:00 -
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Hi, Thanks for the time you spent doing this. I really want to get this to work since my game runs terrible atm, any chance of giving some directions with the batch file, i got upto this point but i don't know where it is. I should be fine once i find it, thanks.
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Kaar
Art of War
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.31 16:38:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Elliot Reid
Originally by: Belautis
This sounds like Eve ReadyBoost :). Anyone tried to run eve off a 2 or 4 Gb USB pendrive ? Is it a lot faster ? They've dropped down in price a lot, might be interesting to give that a go ;).
I just stuck EVE on my newly acquired USB2 pen drive and it was smooth. I didn't use my main or alt as they're .0 based and I didn't want to risk it. I had a mess around with an 800k sp alt in low sec and it was good. If I grow the stones I'll try it in a PvP op in .0
Hmm I think USB2.0 operates around 40mb/s which is slightly slower (i think) than an average SATA drive will get, and definately lower than a 2 disk RAID-0 config.
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Mike Yagon
Minmatar
The Nest
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 16:54:00 -
[95]
Mostly out of curiousity, but since my laptop only has 512mb ram, is that even sufficient to try this on? I think it might choke windows a little causing it to start swapping like an idiot which will achieve the exact opposite what I'd want to get. ;)
I just need to actually do a little HDD maintenance on my laptop, windows hasn't been formatted for 2 years, the drive is over 50% fragmented and it's still running on FAT32, all because I couldn't be bothered defragging and formatting. 
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Tharrn
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.12.31 17:38:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Sha'Uri Dark
I've installed AR Soft Ramdisk...
The AR RAMdisk is no longer under development (stopped in like 1998?) and was written for Windows NT and 2000. I couldn't get it to give me an actual driveletter either and am now using the one DS provided - which works like a charm.
Now recruiting!
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Zerker
Caldari
The Buccaneers
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Posted - 2006.12.31 17:48:00 -
[97]
Where is the batch file located?
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Sha'Uri Dark
Freelancing Corp
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.12.31 18:15:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Zerker
Where is the batch file located?
Where ever you created it.
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As a Freelancer...scratch that Originally by: Shar Tegral
Stop projecting your out of game beliefs of what society should be upon the rest of us.
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Rakeris
Legio VIII
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Posted - 2006.12.31 18:21:00 -
[99]
The batch file isn't anywhere, you have to make it.
Here is the one Di made, you only need one for it, just open notepad and put that in it, edit the lines that say so, than save it as EVE.bat or something .bat it will then save it as a batch file. Mine is E:\Program Files\CCP\EVE so remove that line and put your path name there. Same with the S:\cache line. Can't get much simpler than that. Enjoy.
@echo off
REM edit line below with your full eve path(no trailing \)
set EVEPATH=E:\Program Files\CCP\EVE
REM edit line below with your full ramdisk cache folder path (no trailing \)
set RAMPATH=S:\cache
@echo copying files, Please wait
xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H "%EVEPATH%\cache2" %RAMPATH%
@echo files copied
"%EVEPATH%\eve.exe"
cls
@echo (only press when you shutdown eve)
pause
rmdir /s /q "%EVEPATH%\cache2"
xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H %RAMPATH% "%EVEPATH%\cache2\"
rmdir /s /q %RAMPATH%
mkdir %RAMPATH%
exit
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Sha'Uri Dark
Freelancing Corp
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.12.31 18:25:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Tharrn
The AR RAMdisk is no longer under development (stopped in like 1998?) and was written for Windows NT and 2000. I couldn't get it to give me an actual driveletter either and am now using the one DS provided - which works like a charm.
Yeah I saw that they stopped support and development announcement in 05', tried DS's link but when I try to use the .inf file it says something about it not having anything about my computer in it and stops there. Guess I'll get it sorted out next year as I've got things to do for the rest of this one.
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As a Freelancer...scratch that Originally by: Shar Tegral
Stop projecting your out of game beliefs of what society should be upon the rest of us.
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Zerker
Caldari
The Buccaneers
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Posted - 2006.12.31 18:29:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Rakeris
The batch file isn't anywhere, you have to make it.
Here is the one Di made, you only need one for it, just open notepad and put that in it, edit the lines that say so, than save it as EVE.bat or something .bat it will then save it as a batch file. Mine is E:\Program Files\CCP\EVE so remove that line and put your path name there. Same with the S:\cache line. Can't get much simpler than that. Enjoy.
@echo off
REM edit line below with your full eve path(no trailing \)
set EVEPATH=E:\Program Files\CCP\EVE
REM edit line below with your full ramdisk cache folder path (no trailing \)
set RAMPATH=S:\cache
@echo copying files, Please wait
xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H "%EVEPATH%\cache2" %RAMPATH%
@echo files copied
"%EVEPATH%\eve.exe"
cls
@echo (only press when you shutdown eve)
pause
rmdir /s /q "%EVEPATH%\cache2"
xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H %RAMPATH% "%EVEPATH%\cache2\"
rmdir /s /q %RAMPATH%
mkdir %RAMPATH%
exit
perfect thanks :)
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Smada
Templar Republic
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Posted - 2006.12.31 18:45:00 -
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Quote:
Does that really require a Gigabyte board? I have some ol' spare RAM, so it sounds interesting. In fact I have no idea what board I have in this DELL abomination.
Edit: Intel board with a 945G chipset that features the ICH7 thingy - so it should work, right?
Tharrn - doesn't need to be a Gigabyte mobo, mines plugged into an Asus. As long as you've got a PCI slot free your laughing.
Very easy to set up, you're supposed to only use the recommended RAM modules but I have a feeling any reasonable quality ones would work.
Actually I think mine has 2 x 1 Gb sticks from OCUK - so not exactly cutting edge, break the bank stuff.
hth
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Idara
Caldari
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 19:43:00 -
[103]
Don't know if it's been asked, but would there be a way to run EVE from a USB thumbdrive? Would that not just involve putting the EVE folder on the thumbdrive (1-2GB in size) and running it to get the same performance?
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Karmic
Caldari
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 20:04:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Idara
Don't know if it's been asked, but would there be a way to run EVE from a USB thumbdrive? Would that not just involve putting the EVE folder on the thumbdrive (1-2GB in size) and running it to get the same performance?
I think it is more than likely possible but you would more than likely not see any great performance boost due to the issue of the bandwidth of usb2.
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Zerker
Caldari
The Buccaneers
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Posted - 2006.12.31 20:43:00 -
[105]
Fantastic, got it working loads so much faster now, better performance all round, cheers!!
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Hajarki
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Posted - 2006.12.31 20:46:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Hajarki on 31/12/2006 20:46:54
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=427438
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defiler
Caldari
Mad Hermit
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Posted - 2006.12.31 21:12:00 -
[107]
Edited by: defiler on 31/12/2006 21:13:16
Great work Dark Shikari!
Since my eyes had gone missing so I couldn't find this thread myself and eve-search timed out over and over I started preparing my own guide. ICBA to sift through all the replies here, but unless my eyes are missing again there's no mention of logon/logoff scripts here. So, here's my contribution to this little thread...
I went for a different program than DS did, namely a lovely Sysinternals tool called Junction. Download and extract it, if you extract it to C:\Windows or C:\Windows\System32 you can run it from anywhere without modifying your Path variable. After doing that, simply follow the steps below. For the rest of this guide I'm going to assume that Eve is installed in C:\Games and the drive letter for your RAMdisk is X:.
Running the batch files DS described certainly makes things easier, but what if you forget it? then everything in your cache from the last reboot is lost forever. So, wouldn't it be nice if we could automate this process?
Enter logon/logoff scripts, which as their name implies are run automatically whenever you log on or log off. Unfortunately, in Windows XP Home these nifty little things are crippled to the point that I highly doubt it's legal to hack them into shape. So, this stuff only works for XP Pro and 2000.
Get on with it!
Alright, first we need to designate a folder on your harddrive where your cache files will be stored when not loaded in your RAMdisk. Let's say you go for C:\evecache, then your logon script would look something like this:
junction -s C:\Games\EVE\cache X:\
xcopy C:\evecache X:\ /Q /Y /D /I /C /K /H /E /R
Just copy those two lines, paste it into an empty notepad, modify the paths as necessary and save it as ramlogon.bat (or any name you choose) in C:\WINDOWS\System32\GroupPolicy\User\Scripts\Logon. Just remember to set "Save as type:" to "All files" otherwise the file will be saved as ramlogon.bat.txt and that just won't work.
As for the logoff script...
junction -d C:\Games\EVE\cache
xcopy X:\ C:\evecache /Q /Y /D /I /C /K /H /E /R
Just repeat the process for the two lines above and save as ramlogoff.bat in C:\WINDOWS\System32\GroupPolicy\User\Scripts\Logoff. Notice the amusing choice of flags for xcopy? /Q speeds it up a bit, /Y is absolutely necessary for use in scripts and the remaining flags basically do everything you'll ever need from xcopy and while some of them may be a bit redundant they are really easy to remember when written like that... ;)
Now, open up Start - Run and type in "gpedit.msc". Under User Configuration - Windows Settings - Scripts (Logon/Logoff) double-click Logon, click Add, Browse and select ramlogon.bat. Ok it twice, and repeat for Logoff.
Finally, we are done!
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defiler
Caldari
Mad Hermit
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Posted - 2006.12.31 21:21:00 -
[108]
Oh, one more thing... Be careful, alright? My computer would lock up whenever I restarted after adding the logoff script. After a bit of testing I discovered the cause: I had forgotten the /Y flag on xcopy, the computer wait for me to decide if I wanted to overwrite a modified file in the cache. I never saw this since the scripts run without a console window open.
My point? It's easy to make mistakes, and mistakes can cost you dearly. Don't "install" the scripts without running them manually a couple of times to verify that they work. If in doubt, test again. I take no responsibility for whatever might happen to your computer if you try this.
That said, I'm almost completely sure this will work, please let me know if it doesn't. Good luck, and thank you for your time, you've been a lovely audience.
Mad Hermit - Minding our own business since 2004. |
Gor Kraon
Minmatar
Shadowclan
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Posted - 2006.12.31 22:56:00 -
[109]
Those batch files do work, assuming you get used to using them. (And don't lose power randomly.) What about a solution without having to use them at all?
Like this. It is free, restores the drive at power up, saves at intervals and/or shutdown, all kinds of settings... Seems really handy.
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Rakeris
Legio VIII
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Posted - 2006.12.31 23:06:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Rakeris on 31/12/2006 23:07:43
Hate to seem like I am going on about this, but just use the one batch file made by Di. Rename it EVE put in on your desktop, delete your old short cut and you are done. You only need one file it even auto starts EVE and when you close EVE all you do is select the window and press a key, and it saves the files. Works great...you can even change the icon if you don't like the .bat file look.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.31 23:12:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Gor Kraon
Those batch files do work, assuming you get used to using them. (And don't lose power randomly.) What about a solution without having to use them at all?
Like this. It is free, restores the drive at power up, saves at intervals and/or shutdown, all kinds of settings... Seems really handy.
That's actually really cool. I like that.
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Gor Kraon
Minmatar
Shadowclan
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Posted - 2006.12.31 23:20:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Rakeris
Edited by: Rakeris on 31/12/2006 23:07:43
Hate to seem like I am going on about this, but just use the one batch file made by Di. Rename it EVE put in on your desktop, delete your old short cut and you are done. You only need one file it even auto starts EVE and when you close EVE all you do is select the window and press a key, and it saves the files. Works great...you can even change the icon if you don't like the .bat file look.
It works, but if you are like me, and start/shutdown EVE constantly it will be slower than just saving/writing the contents of the RAMdrive it at system startup and shutdown, which that program lets you do without thinking. You could make batch files and run them at startup (even automatically) and probably could write one to do so do the shutdown procedures and then turn off your computer, but the program does that too... Heck, you might be able to schedule a batch file to save the RAMdrive contents at whatever interval you want to the hard drive with the windows scheduler thing, but again, the program does that. Which is better? Eh... I'll use the program. It seems more convenient.
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Caligulus
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Posted - 2006.12.31 23:23:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Kaar
Originally by: Elliot Reid
Originally by: Belautis
This sounds like Eve ReadyBoost :). Anyone tried to run eve off a 2 or 4 Gb USB pendrive ? Is it a lot faster ? They've dropped down in price a lot, might be interesting to give that a go ;).
I just stuck EVE on my newly acquired USB2 pen drive and it was smooth. I didn't use my main or alt as they're .0 based and I didn't want to risk it. I had a mess around with an 800k sp alt in low sec and it was good. If I grow the stones I'll try it in a PvP op in .0
Hmm I think USB2.0 operates around 40mb/s which is slightly slower (i think) than an average SATA drive will get, and definately lower than a 2 disk RAID-0 config.
USB 2.0 operates at a rate of 480 Mbit/s (60 MB/s).
SATA does run faster at a rate of 1.2 Gbit/s, or 150 megabytes per second (MB/s)
However, you need to understand the operations of an HDD vs. an SSD(FLASH) device. Hard drives are horrible at loading a multiple small files. They excell in moving large single file volumes of data. This primarily lies in the mechanical architecture of today's HDD. Every time the HD loads a file it has to stop and "seek" to the location of the next file.
What's worse is that cache folder is "dynamic" meaning it's written and rewritten to very frequently when you play eve. This induces something called "fragmentation". Essentially the computer writes stuff to your HDD at random locations and updates the file table to reflect that. So while in the beginning everything is written to the disk in sequential form (meaning the HDD doesn't have to seek all over the drive to find data) after a short period of time that data disperses all over the drive increases seek times. Seeing as the EVE cache is a variable nightmare of small files it means you lose a lot of precious time loading to your HDD seeking files.
Solid state FLASH and RAM do not run on that same principle. The do not suffer the limitations of a mechanical device and while still slower then actual RAM are a couple hundred times faster. (SSD on WIKI)
- "SSDs based on volatile memory such as SDRAM and are categorized by fast data access, less than 0.01 milliseconds (over 250 times faster than the fastest hard drives in 2004) and are used primarily to accelerate applications that would otherwise be held back by the latency of disk drives."
Since the type of data (EVE cache data) beign dealt with is in small files and in a small volume (it's not all loaded at the same time). Sticking the CACHE if not the entire contents of the EVE client on a USB flash drive is going to make it run faster then any Hard Drive solution out there (including SCSI and other high performance devices). This is why CCP moved to a DRAM-based SSD solution for EVE's database.
So here's the real catch with running programs off of a thumb drive. SSD FLASH drives
(also reffered to as NAND and NOR memories) have a finite number of write cycles. Medium grade devices are limited typically to several thousand cycles before they fail (USB Flash on WIKI).
So in short, throwing EVE on a thumb drive will make it "fly" for a month or so before it dies. Furthermore it's currently impossible to tell how many more cycles a flash drive has before it fails.
The best solution is still carving out a chunk of ones RAM for this as it's even faster and more reliable. For ease of use, i'd go with it on a flash drive....just keep a backup.
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Ernest Graefenberg
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:04:00 -
[114]
Bumping to confirm awesomeness. However :
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This is my shutdown.bat
c:
cd ..
cd ..
cd ..
cd ..
cd ..
cd program files\CCP\EVE
rmdir /s /q cache2
s:
cd \
xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H s:\cache c:\program files\CCP\EVE\cache2
rmdir /s /q cache
c:
This does not copy the contents of my RAMDisk to the cache2 folder after deleting it.
That, and with 0 portraits my cache folder is approximately 40mb, mostly in the Pictures/Gids folder. Are these all necessary ?
And if yes, an easy way or at least idiot proof instructions on how to create a 128mb RAMDisk would be golden :)
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MysticNZ
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:08:00 -
[115]
I don't think you guys should be telling people to convert their disks to NTFS. It doesn't always work, trust me.
Unless you guys really want to try this I don't suggest you do it unless you really know what you're doing.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:20:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg
Bumping to confirm awesomeness. However :
Quote:
This is my shutdown.bat
c:
cd ..
cd ..
cd ..
cd ..
cd ..
cd program files\CCP\EVE
rmdir /s /q cache2
s:
cd \
xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H s:\cache c:\program files\CCP\EVE\cache2
rmdir /s /q cache
c:
This does not copy the contents of my RAMDisk to the cache2 folder after deleting it.
The problem was that you need to put quotes around the directory address, AFAIK.
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Kaar
Art of War
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:26:00 -
[117]
I found another ramdisk program that lets you set much larger drives and seems to be free
Linkeh
It's really basic but still works with DS's instructions. Size and drive letter can be set in device manager (it's listed as a "RAM Disk").
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.01 03:08:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Kaar
Edited by: Kaar on 01/01/2007 01:37:46
I found another ramdisk program that lets you set much larger drives and seems to be free
Linkeh
It's really basic but still works with DS's instructions. Size and drive letter can be set in device manager (it's listed as a "RAM Disk").
edit: actually i think its already been posted... they all have the same bloody name 
Shareware = not free, unfortunately.
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Tunajuice
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.01 06:18:00 -
[119]
A moden flash drive spreads out data across the memory evenly, and has backup memory cells. It would last for 5-10 years doing this in eve all day long.
The problem is, flash isn't that fast. Ramdrive is really fast. Since eve only takes say 500mg of ram.. if you have 2 gigs of ram, you could gain a lot of speed giving say 500 mb of ram to cache stuff, and 1.5 gb to the rest of the system.
Still, I wouldn't mess with this, eve isn't that slow. Maybe when I upgrade to 4gb of ram, I will make a 2gb flash drive for a day, and put eve totally in there.. see what that does.
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defiler
Caldari
Mad Hermit
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Posted - 2007.01.01 06:26:00 -
[120]
Unfortunately, 2GB isn't quite enough... .5GB for the eve files, another .5 for actually running eve, another .2-.5 for the system (assuming you don't run many apps in the background...). That's a grand total of 1.2-1.5 GB, or 60-75% load. Seeing as windows will quite happily start swapping well before the ram load gets to 50%... well...
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