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Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.31 05:34:00 - [61] Originally by: Aeaus s: cd .. cd .. cd .. xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H cache C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\cache2 I don't know what's wrong here, but this just doesn't work. I even modified the program to make a "cache2" folder, but nothing get's copied. S:\ is my drive, and that's the address of where the cache should be, but it doesn't work. Try doing it in the command line manually to see what's going wrong. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Aeaus Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.12.31 06:10:00 - [62] s: xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H cache C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\cache2 Invalid number of parameters Tanking Survivability Calculator
Shadow Lightbringer Nightghosts Inc	Posted - 2006.12.31 06:39:00 - [63] Well, I have set this up and I have to say great work DS, there is a noticeable performance improvement as my client is simply running more smoothly. Great work on this one DS, I love it.
Abbadon Caldari Pukin' Dogs Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2006.12.31 06:44:00 - [64] Originally by: Aeaus s: xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H cache C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\cache2 Invalid number of parameters I've had similiar problems in the past with a number of command line utilities and have found the cause to be the length of the path statement. (Xcopy wouldn't copy from C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\cache2) (mountvol wouldn't mount ramdrive to C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\cache) To fix this I've moved my whole Eve installation to C:\Eve and then gone through the whole Ramdrive configuration from scratch. . Dancers plz. o/ --Jorauk boogies-eris booty bounces - Corte
Shadow Lightbringer Nightghosts Inc	Posted - 2006.12.31 07:41:00 - [65] Originally by: Abbadon Originally by: Aeaus s: xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H cache C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\cache2 Invalid number of parameters I've had similiar problems in the past with a number of command line utilities and have found the cause to be the length of the path statement. (Xcopy wouldn't copy from C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\cache2) (mountvol wouldn't mount ramdrive to C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\cache) To fix this I've moved my whole Eve installation to C:\Eve and then gone through the whole Ramdrive configuration from scratch. In place of C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\cache2 you could also use C:\Progra~1\CCP\EVE\cache2 which is what I am doing and it works fine. It should resolve issues you might be having with length of the path statement.
Zana Kito	Posted - 2006.12.31 07:46:00 - [66] I've tried with both the qSoft ramdrive (which only limited me to 32mb not 64mb even though i set it for such, why??).. and the AR ramdrive software, but it doesn't work with junction links. Are there any better ramdrives, preferably ones that are free, similar to the qsoft but allow at least 128mb?
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.31 11:48:00 - [67] Hardware Ram drive for those of you who have old DDR modules sitting about. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Di Jiensai Gallente Myster0ns	Posted - 2006.12.31 12:07:00 - [68] Originally by: Aeaus s: xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H cache C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\cache2 Invalid number of parameters The problem is the directory "Program Files" which contains a " ". You need to put the argument which contains so called whitespace in "", like this: xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H cache "C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\cache2" --- The Story of the Big-Bad-Nos-Domi and the Brutix Selfproclaimed last instance on Rightousness Issues
Miranda Duvall Gallente OPM Holdings	Posted - 2006.12.31 12:53:00 - [69] I'll assume all this doesn't breach the EULA (you dont change eve, you change the hardware under it), but maybe a GM could confirm this is legal? I'll have a go at this myself later on when I have some time to spare. I "only" have 1GB of RAM tho... Isn't it great being a skill collector? Top 20 My Skills
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.31 13:50:00 - [70] Originally by: Miranda Duvall I'll assume all this doesn't breach the EULA (you dont change eve, you change the hardware under it), but maybe a GM could confirm this is legal? Its perfectly fine. All you're doing is symlinking the cache to a different folder. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Kaar Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.31 13:54:00 - [71] I read the other thread too and was going to try this, but then I questioned what, if any, benefit moving the cache to ram would give. Open up task manager during your normal eve play and see how much has been write/read to your hard drive, for me it was never more than a few hundred mb over hours of having the client running and I'll bet the majority of that was loaded during login. I decided it didnt warrant all this fussing around for such a minimal gain and risk of running out of cache space when you most need it. Has anyone even tested this during a fleet/pos fight? Before anyone tries this I suggest you defrag your cache folder and see if that solves any of your problems. --- ---
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.31 13:57:00 - [72] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 31/12/2006 13:56:57 Originally by: Kaar I read the other thread too and was going to try this, but then I questioned what, if any, benefit moving the cache to ram would give. Open up task manager during your normal eve play and see how much has been write/read to your hard drive, for me it was never more than a few hundred mb over hours of having the client running and I'll bet the majority of that was loaded during login. I decided it didnt warrant all this fussing around for such a minimal gain and risk of running out of cache space when you most need it. Has anyone even tested this during a fleet/pos fight? Before anyone tries this I suggest you defrag your cache folder and see if that solves any of your problems. 1. Hard disks are very slow at loading tons of small files. NTFS is particularly bad--if Windows ran on an optimized file system such as ReiserFS, this would not be as much of a problem. 2. Even if you defragment your cache, it'll be fragmented again within a day or two due to the data going in and out of it. I noticed a very marked difference with the cache in RAM. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Rakeris Legio VIII	Posted - 2006.12.31 14:00:00 - [73] Edited by: Rakeris on 31/12/2006 14:01:05 As did I, I was pleasantly surprised to say the least. Nice guide though. (even though I didn't use it :p) I used the idea though, and I thank you for it. ^^ ---------- I gave up on sigs. As all the beatings are starting to hurt and leave nasty bruises.
Tasha Starstrider	Posted - 2006.12.31 14:08:00 - [74] Where do you see the performance increase? In mid-battle, or at the beginning of battles/jumps/loading times after session changes?
Rakeris Legio VIII	Posted - 2006.12.31 14:17:00 - [75] Logging in, after warps and session changes was the biggest. I haven't really compared it to anything else, but it was quite noticeable, in those two at least. I like the one .bat file that Di Jiensai made as well, quite nifty. ---------- I gave up on sigs. As all the beatings are starting to hurt and leave nasty bruises.
Kaar Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.31 14:22:00 - [76] Originally by: FireFoxx80 Hardware Ram drive for those of you who have old DDR modules sitting about. Thanks for that link btw, there's a review here for anyone that's interested. I know I'll be getting one when I have to upgrade to DDR2 --- ---
Miranda Duvall Gallente OPM Holdings	Posted - 2006.12.31 14:26:00 - [77] I tried this now, and did indeed notice quite an improvement. I must admit I also cleared my cache first.. There is however a however :) I see "access denied" errors when running the batch file, and i when I quit eve, and unpaused the batchfile, both my cache folders were empty Good thing I didn't back up my cache folder, otherwise i'd still have my settings... I'll try to edit the batchfile some more... I'll be back! Isn't it great being a skill collector? Top 20 My Skills
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.31 14:28:00 - [78] Originally by: Miranda Duvall I tried this now, and did indeed notice quite an improvement. I must admit I also cleared my cache first.. There is however a however :) I see "access denied" errors when running the batch file, and i when I quit eve, and unpaused the batchfile, both my cache folders were empty Good thing I didn't back up my cache folder, otherwise i'd still have my settings... I'll try to edit the batchfile some more... I'll be back! Access denied probably means the batch file is trying to delete the cache while EVE is running. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Rakeris Legio VIII	Posted - 2006.12.31 14:36:00 - [79] I was wanting to try to put mu whole eve folder on it, but I'm around 100MB short. So I was wondering, what folders do you think would be most beneficial if I where to put them on the RAMDisk? ---------- I gave up on sigs. As all the beatings are starting to hurt and leave nasty bruises.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.31 14:40:00 - [80] Originally by: Rakeris I was wanting to try to put mu whole eve folder on it, but I'm around 100MB short. So I was wondering, what folders do you think would be most beneficial if I where to put them on the RAMDisk? Well you could put individual STUFF files on a RAMdisk by using the rightclick-drag-create hardlink feature of NTFS Link. I'd pick the ones that you access most during gameplay--i.e. not the tutorial one, not the COSMOS one, etc. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Rantor	Posted - 2006.12.31 14:40:00 - [81] Originally by: Dark Shikari The result seemed pretty damn effective and rather easy to setup. If we put cache to RAM drive and it makes game faster, well... hm... isn't that a flashing point to CCP devs that they really should have changed something in their cache architecture already?
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.31 14:47:00 - [82] Originally by: Rantor Originally by: Dark Shikari The result seemed pretty damn effective and rather easy to setup. If we put cache to RAM drive and it makes game faster, well... hm... isn't that a flashing point to CCP devs that they really should have changed something in their cache architecture already? Not really, I think. CCP could quite easily implement such a thing as a feature in EVE, but it would drastically raise RAM usage, which would hurt those who don't have tons of extra RAM. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Rakeris Legio VIII	Posted - 2006.12.31 14:53:00 - [83] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Rakeris I was wanting to try to put mu whole eve folder on it, but I'm around 100MB short. So I was wondering, what folders do you think would be most beneficial if I where to put them on the RAMDisk? Well you could put individual STUFF files on a RAMdisk by using the rightclick-drag-create hardlink feature of NTFS Link. I'd pick the ones that you access most during gameplay--i.e. not the tutorial one, not the COSMOS one, etc. Ok, I'll give that a try, thanks! Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Rantor Originally by: Dark Shikari The result seemed pretty damn effective and rather easy to setup. If we put cache to RAM drive and it makes game faster, well... hm... isn't that a flashing point to CCP devs that they really should have changed something in their cache architecture already? Not really, I think. CCP could quite easily implement such a thing as a feature in EVE, but it would drastically raise RAM usage, which would hurt those who don't have tons of extra RAM. Well, you could always have an option for it. On/Off/Custom. ---------- I gave up on sigs. As all the beatings are starting to hurt and leave nasty bruises.
Dr Isk	Posted - 2006.12.31 14:58:00 - [84] /me feels sorry for the gms getting petitions on how to setup their ramdrive lol.
Tasha Starstrider	Posted - 2006.12.31 15:07:00 - [85] Edited by: Tasha Starstrider on 31/12/2006 15:08:03 Double-postie ftl
Tasha Starstrider	Posted - 2006.12.31 15:08:00 - [86] I'm still interested in more specifically where you're going to see an increase? I don't notice a lot of problems at the moment, but I'm always trying to squeeze more out of my rig. Curious as to when you're going to notice a difference in-game, with what sort of actions/scenarios, etc., if anyone wouldn't mind commenting who's setup things already. :) Thanks
Tharrn Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.12.31 15:12:00 - [87] Originally by: FireFoxx80 Hardware Ram drive for those of you who have old DDR modules sitting about. Does that really require a Gigabyte board? I have some ol' spare RAM, so it sounds interesting. In fact I have no idea what board I have in this DELL abomination. Now recruiting!
Rakeris Legio VIII	Posted - 2006.12.31 15:13:00 - [88] Originally by: Tasha Starstrider I'm still interested in more specifically where you're going to see an increase? I don't notice a lot of problems at the moment, but I'm always trying to squeeze more out of my rig. Curious as to when you're going to notice a difference in-game, with what sort of actions/scenarios, etc., if anyone wouldn't mind commenting who's setup things already. :) Thanks Since you asked, I'll just quote me from an earlier post. Originally by: Rakeris Logging in, after warps and session changes was the biggest. I haven't really compared it to anything else, but it was quite noticeable, in those two at least. Just my experiences anyhow. ---------- I gave up on sigs. As all the beatings are starting to hurt and leave nasty bruises.
Miranda Duvall Gallente OPM Holdings	Posted - 2006.12.31 15:21:00 - [89] Im trying with 2 clients, each in its own folder on the D: drive, and each got its own folder on S: linked to the cache folder in the Eve folder, and each has its own batchfile. Both clients start up fine, and work pretty fast, however: if I try to start the second client when the first is alredy running, it gets stuck at "aqcquiring bulk data" this happens to both clients, no matter in which order i start: first to start runs fine, second gets stuck I use this batchfile: Quote: @echo off REM edit line below with your full eve path(no trailing \) set EVEPATH=D:\Games\EVE set BCKCACHEDIR=bckcache REM edit line below with your full ramdisk cache folder path (no trailing \) set RAMPATH=S:\cache1 @echo copying files, Please wait xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H "%EVEPATH%\%BCKCACHEDIR%" %RAMPATH% @echo files copied @echo removing machonet rmdir /s /q %RAMPATH%\machonet @echo machonet removed "%EVEPATH%\eve.exe" cls @echo (only press when you shutdown eve) pause rmdir /s /q "%EVEPATH%\%BCKCACHEDIR%" xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H %RAMPATH% "%EVEPATH%\%BCKCACHEDIR%\" rmdir /s /q %RAMPATH% mkdir %RAMPATH% exit The other batchfile is the same except for: Quote: @echo off REM edit line below with your full eve path(no trailing \) set EVEPATH=D:\Games\EVE-2 set BCKCACHEDIR=bckcache REM edit line below with your full ramdisk cache folder path (no trailing \) set RAMPATH=S:\cache2 Isn't it great being a skill collector? Top 20 My Skills
Rantor	Posted - 2006.12.31 15:25:00 - [90] Edited by: Rantor on 31/12/2006 15:26:25 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Rantor Originally by: Dark Shikari The result seemed pretty damn effective and rather easy to setup. If we put cache to RAM drive and it makes game faster, well... hm... isn't that a flashing point to CCP devs that they really should have changed something in their cache architecture already? Not really, I think. CCP could quite easily implement such a thing as a feature in EVE, but it would drastically raise RAM usage, which would hurt those who don't have tons of extra RAM. Actually I was not thinking of loading all of the cache into memory - that's not the best thing to do in this situation, but instead optimizing their file IO routines. Because it seems to me that file/file system IO is the real bottleneck here. Mapping files to memory, maybe? Minimizing the 'file open' operations. And deprecating/deleting some files they don't really need anymore (I'm sure there are a lot of them!).

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