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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 30/12/2006 20:35:49
Defiler suggested this a bit back in this thread, so I figured I'd work with him to see if I could get this to work. The result seemed pretty damn effective and rather easy to setup compared to how hard I thought it would be.
Why?
The cache folder gets filled with tons of small files such as portraits which easily get fragmented all over the place. This can drastically slow down EVE's performance, not in terms of FPS, but in terms of stuttering and loading times. In addition, hard drives are naturally slow at loading tons of small files, so there is an automatic speed increase regardless of fragmentation issues.
Why would it be hard?
There are almost no free RAMdrives, and even the pay ones can be hard to set up. In addition, Windows doesn't support symlinks, a critical component of most other operating systems, which would be used to link the "cache" folder in EVE's folder to the RAMdrive. Both of these problems were solved... so read on.
System Requirements:
- 64MB of extra RAM that you are not using (I do not recommend this RAMdrive on systems with less than 512MB of memory).
- Windows XP, 2000, or Server 2003. If you have Linux, this is probably a lot easier, sadly, but the guide doesn't cover it. This guide also won't work for Windows 98, but neither does EVE.
- EVE on a drive formatted with NTFS. This is the default with Windows XP, but if you're using FAT32 this will not work. There are workarounds but you have to find them yourself.
Disadvantages:
- If your cache goes above 64MB, it will no longer work. This is not a problem, as in 64MB you can fit a good few thousand portraits. If it really does get too large, feel free to delete some pictures.
- You must run a batch file before starting EVE (to load the data into the RAMdisk), and another after (to save the data to disk).
Steps:
Note: This will take you roughly ten to fifteen minutes, so set some time aside to do it. If you want to "undo" what you do here, simply disable the RAMdrive in the device manager and remove the link created in the EVE folder. You can also, of course, uninstall the NTFS Link utility.
- Download this free RAMdrive driver and run it, extracting the data files to a temporary folder.
- Go to Control Panel/Add Hardware.
- Choose "Yes, I have already connected the hardware."
- Scroll down the list and choose "add a new hardware device."
- Choose "Install the hardware that I manually select from a list."
- Choose "Show all devices."
- Click "Have Disk" and choose the Inf file in the temporary folder from step 1.
- Right click on My Computer, go to Hardware, go to Device Manager, and find the RAMdrive you just installed. Click the plus to see the driver itself in the category, and right click on it and select properties.
- Select the disk size as "67108864" from the list and select S: as the drive letter (as that is what is used in the batch files).
- Apply the settings.
- Install the NTFS Link program.
- Reboot.
- Rename your cache folder in the EVE folder "cache2".
- Create a "cache" folder in the newly created S: RAMdrive. Right-click drag it to the inside of the EVE folder, and select "create junction here."
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 30/12/2006 20:28:43
To run EVE, simply run the startup batch file, then run EVE. Once you're done, run the shutdown batch file to save the cache on the hard disk. Note that if your computer crashes or the like, your old cache from the last time you ran the shutdown script is still saved.
The startup batch file (save as startup.bat). Note how it nicely removed Machonet for you so that you don't have to:
Quote:
i: (DRIVE LETTER GOES HERE) cd .. cd .. cd .. cd .. cd .. cd ccp (CD TO THE CORRECT PATH) cd eve rmdir /s /q s:\cache xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H cache2 s:\cache s: cd .. cd .. cd .. cd cache rmdir /s /q machonet c:
Note that you MUST replace the first part of the script with an appropriate drive letter and commands to CD to the path where your EVE folder is. My EVE folder is in I:/CCP/EVE.
The shutdown batch file (save as shutdown.bat):
Quote:
i: (DRIVE LETTER GOES HERE) cd .. cd .. cd .. cd .. cd .. cd ccp (PATH GOES HERE!) cd eve rmdir /s /q cache2 s: cd .. cd .. cd .. xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H cache i:\ccp\eve\cache2 (PATH GOES HERE AGAIN!) rmdir /s /q cache c:
Same catch as above.
It might not be easy, but at least it works: I'm running EVE on it now.
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Verus Potestas
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:24:00 -
[3]
Originally by: Dark Shikari EVE on a drive formatted with NTFS. This is the default with Windows XP, but if you're using FAT32 this will not work. There are workarounds but you have to find them yourself.
If you are on FAT32, running XP and are happy to move to NTFS, it's not hard.
Go to the run box and type
cmd /k convert C: /FS:NTFS
Obviously replace C with your drive letter if you aren't on C:
As for the plan, might be a fun thing to try.
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy |

j0sephine
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:44:00 -
[4]
Edited by: j0sephine on 30/12/2006 20:45:41
"In addition, Windows doesn't support symlinks, a critical component of most other operating systems, which would be used to link the "cache" folder in EVE's folder to the RAMdrive."
Windows' NTFS supports "junction points" which for this particular purpose are the same thing -- a hard link which makes program trying to write in such linked directory to write in target folder, instead.
linkD.exe included with Windows Server Resource Kit can be used to form these links... as can be number of utilities listed on the bottom of wikipedia page dealing with this subject.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:48:00 -
[5]
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 30/12/2006 20:48:25
Originally by: j0sephine Edited by: j0sephine on 30/12/2006 20:45:41
"In addition, Windows doesn't support symlinks, a critical component of most other operating systems, which would be used to link the "cache" folder in EVE's folder to the RAMdrive."
Windows' NTFS supports "junction points" which for this particular purpose are the same thing -- a hard link which makes program trying to write in such linked directory to write in target folder, instead.
linkD.exe included with Windows Server Resource Kit can be used to form these links... as can be number of utilities listed on the bottom of wikipedia page dealing with this subject.
Well if you read the post, what I meant is that it didn't come with support for them by default, which is why I linked to a program that added such support 
Fixed for clarity.
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:51:00 -
[6]
sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
*bookmarks to do this to my client later*
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j0sephine
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:58:00 -
[7]
"Well if you read the post, what I meant is that it didn't come with support for them by default, which is why I linked to a program that added such support "
Well if you want to get technical then the support is there by default, there's just no easy-to-use tool provided in regular installation that'd allow the user take advantage of it -.^
anyway, this is alternative free ram disk. It's based on the same sample source code from microsoft, but doesn't have the artificial 64 mb limitation and doesn't try to make people shell out money for "full" version ;s
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:04:00 -
[8]
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 30/12/2006 21:05:37
Originally by: j0sephine
anyway, this is alternative free ram disk. It's based on the same sample source code from microsoft, but doesn't have the artificial 64 mb limitation and doesn't try to make people shell out money for "full" version ;s
Uh no, that's the exact same RAMdisk.
The INF file even lists the exact same developer as the one I linked to, and the .SYS file lists the exact same author.
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FireFoxx80
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:28:00 -
[9]
Worthwhile mentioning:
Keep a backup of your cache folder! I just foolishly deleted my /settings folder when doing this, and lost all my overview settings.
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Turix
Silver Star Federation Kurai Komichi
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:55:00 -
[10]
Originally by: FireFoxx80 Worthwhile mentioning:
Keep a backup of your cache folder! I just foolishly deleted my /settings folder when doing this, and lost all my overview settings.
I just did that too, and lost my widescreen resolution - it wont give it back 
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Shiner BockBeer
Go Go Gadget ForumPostingAlt
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:57:00 -
[11]
How well does this work with multiple clients?
Or is there even any way of making it work with multple clients?
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Majutsu
Caldari S.Y.N.D
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:58:00 -
[12]
Interesting, I have 2GB DDR 2 in this PC, possible to put the whole game on a RAMdrive?
Caldari Gunboat Pilot
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j0sephine
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:58:00 -
[13]
"That's the exact same RAMdisk.
The INF file even lists the exact same developer as the one I linked to, and the .SYS file lists the exact same author.
Update: I installed the RAMdisk you linked to and it also has a 64MB limit."
It's earlier version by the same author ^^ difference comes in included source code -- available drive sizes are defined in
DWORD dwaDriveSizes[] = { 0x10000 * 10, 0x10000 * 20, 0x10000 * 50, 0x10000 * 100, 0x10000 * 200, 0x10000 * 500, 0x10000 * 1000 } ;
... line, so changing these values and recompiling allows to pick different drive size. Figure someone with too much time on their hands could do that, or better yet alter the property page so it allows easier way to specify disk size ^^;
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Fredou
Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:04:00 -
[14]
if you have too much $$$ look at that one...
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Rakeris
Legio VIII
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:43:00 -
[15]
As most of them are kinda expensive. You could probably fine a torrent or something, to try out the program/s to see if you think it would be worth buying...
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Niaski Zalani
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:49:00 -
[16]
You might also want to replace that wad of "cd .." with a single "cd \". yarr. |

Cryten Jones
Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:49:00 -
[17]
Another thing you can do is place both batch scrips into the same file with the call to run eve.exe in between the two sections.
This will copy to RAM, run EvE and then when you quite eve (including CTD) copy the cache back.
Just an idea
Also, do you guys thing that using a spare USB thum drive for this would be worth the effort or not ?
-CJ
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Internet Knight
Caldari The Knighthawks Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 22:50:00 -
[18]
Good info! Now I just need to install those 1GB sticks of memory I got for Christmas...
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Siro
Eye of God
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Posted - 2006.12.30 23:09:00 -
[19]
Originally by: j0sephine "That's the exact same RAMdisk.
The INF file even lists the exact same developer as the one I linked to, and the .SYS file lists the exact same author.
Update: I installed the RAMdisk you linked to and it also has a 64MB limit."
It's earlier version by the same author ^^ difference comes in included source code -- available drive sizes are defined in
DWORD dwaDriveSizes[] = { 0x10000 * 10, 0x10000 * 20, 0x10000 * 50, 0x10000 * 100, 0x10000 * 200, 0x10000 * 500, 0x10000 * 1000 } ;
... line, so changing these values and recompiling allows to pick different drive size. Figure someone with too much time on their hands could do that, or better yet alter the property page so it allows easier way to specify disk size ^^;
It'd be nice if someone changed that one line to allow 128mb, 256mb, and 512mb... And threw all those instructions in the guide into an automated installer :)
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DaMiGe
Amarr Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2006.12.30 23:13:00 -
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Quote:
@echo off d: cd\ccp\eve @echo copying files, Please wait xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H cache2 s:\cache @echo files copied s: cd\cache @echo removing machonet rmdir /s /q machonet @echo machonet removed D:\CCP\EVE\eve.exe cls @echo (only press when you shutdown eve) pause d: cd\ccp\eve rmdir /s /q cache2 s: cd\ xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H cache d:\ccp\eve\cache2 rmdir /s /q cache exit
no expert, but still  all in one batchfile, works for me 
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Belautis
Rakeriku
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Posted - 2006.12.30 23:25:00 -
[21]
This sounds like Eve ReadyBoost :). Anyone tried to run eve off a 2 or 4 Gb USB pendrive ? Is it a lot faster ? They've dropped down in price a lot, might be interesting to give that a go ;).
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Smada
Templar Republic
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Posted - 2006.12.30 23:43:00 -
[22]
If you've got a fair bit of spare cash buy a Gigabyte iRAM, chuck 2 Gb plain vanilla RAM at it (minimum for an EVE install), copy your EVE install folder to it - jobs a good 'un! 
Load times are noticably shorter for me.
Defrags in about 15 sec.
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TimtheTerror
Caldari Crazy 88's O X I D E
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Posted - 2006.12.30 23:57:00 -
[23]
Can someone help me please? I've done everything except create the startup and shutdown batch files.
I've copied the quotes into notepad, but what exactly do I need to change? the path to my EVE is C:\CCP\EVE
What do I need to change to make the batch files work? And please keep the answer simple.
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Di Jiensai
Gallente Myster0ns
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:17:00 -
[24]
Edited by: Di Jiensai on 31/12/2006 00:18:50
Quote:
Can someone help me please? I've done everything except create the startup and shutdown batch files.
I've copied the quotes into notepad, but what exactly do I need to change? the path to my EVE is C:\CCP\EVE
What do I need to change to make the batch files work? And please keep the answer simple.
Quote:
c: cd \CCP\EVE rmdir /s /q s:\cache xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H cache2 s:\cache s: cd \cache rmdir /s /q machonet c:
The shutdown batch file (save as shutdown.bat):
Quote:
c: cd \CCP\EVE rmdir /s /q cache2 s: cd \ xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H cache c:\CCP\EVE\cache2 rmdir /s /q cache c:
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TimtheTerror
Caldari Crazy 88's O X I D E
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:20:00 -
[25]
Thanks alot mate! :D
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j0sephine
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:21:00 -
[26]
"I've got too many things in my cache folder lol, insufficient diskspace on the Ram disk "
You can delete everything but the "settings" sub-folder and the prefs.ini from the cache folder, it'll be rebuilt over time as you fly around and look at things ^^
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Di Jiensai
Gallente Myster0ns
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Posted - 2006.12.31 00:23:00 -
[27]
Originally by: Shiner BockBeer How well does this work with multiple clients?
Or is there even any way of making it work with multple clients?
I am just at the moment running 2 clients from ramdisk on my pc. It seems to help a bit with performance especialy the rightclick menues are quicker. but i have only a 1.2 gHz Duron 
you just need to make a folder cache2 and link that as cache to your eve dir of the second client.
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Awox
I Fought Piranhas
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:15:00 -
[28]
Since my new PC will have 2GB of RAM I will definately give this a shot. Never thought of using a ramdisk in windows to make games faster.. nice one.  -- *snip* Discussing moderation/ linking to flamebait is a no-no. Read the forum rules before reposting. If you have any questions, email us at [email protected] Tirg |

DocJB
Gallente Decadence. Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:50:00 -
[29]
Edited by: DocJB on 31/12/2006 01:55:47 AR Soft Ramdisk
has no Limit and is free  Can not test the effect at the moment as i will have no access to my main computer until next week.
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MysticNZ
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:54:00 -
[30]
Under win2k3 you can create symlinks or use dfs, not that I imagine alot of people are. Pretty sure you can do the same thing under Windows XP Pro.
If you are really keen on a ram drive, then take a look here -=====-
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Aeaus
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.12.31 01:58:00 -
[31]
How much of an improvement does this actually give?
Tanking Survivability Calculator
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souihfsdosdfsdfsdfsdfsdf
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Posted - 2006.12.31 02:00:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Aeaus How much of an improvement does this actually give?
Well, here are some benchmark figures for the Gigabyte I-Ram, which is the same thing really. http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=iram&page=5
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MysticNZ
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2006.12.31 02:01:00 -
[33]
Damm alt. -=====-
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Kirex
Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.31 02:09:00 -
[34]
Edited by: Kirex on 31/12/2006 02:09:19 Do we run shutdown.bat before we're about to close eve or after eve is already shut down?
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Di Jiensai
Gallente Myster0ns
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Posted - 2006.12.31 02:12:00 -
[35]
Ok, I took the all-in-one batchfile from someone else here, and made it a bit more beautiful.
Just fill in the correct path in line 3 and line 6. (Hint: Under the line where it says "edit line below...")
Quote:
@echo off REM edit line below with your full eve path(no trailing \) set EVEPATH=C:\Program Files\ccp\eve
REM edit line below with your full ramdisk cache folder path (no trailing \) set RAMPATH=S:\cache
@echo copying files, Please wait xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H "%EVEPATH%\cache2" %RAMPATH% @echo files copied @echo removing machonet rmdir /s /q %RAMPATH%\machonet @echo machonet removed "%EVEPATH%\eve.exe" cls @echo (only press when you shutdown eve) pause rmdir /s /q "%EVEPATH%\cache2" xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H %RAMPATH% "%EVEPATH%\cache2\" rmdir /s /q %RAMPATH% mkdir %RAMPATH% exit
EDIT LINE 3 AND 6, Save as EVE.BAT anywhere and start it.
note, that when using this Ramdisk setup (including this batch file), you wont be able to start eve without it anymore, unless you remove the link to S:\cache from your eve folder and replace it with a normal cache directory. or move your eve\cache dir to s:\cache manualy.
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Gor Kraon
Minmatar Shadowclan
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Posted - 2006.12.31 02:18:00 -
[36]
If we do use this, specifically the last all purpose 'cleaned' batch file, do we use that for each client we want to run? Anything else i would have to do to run multiple clients?
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Aeaus
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.12.31 02:20:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Aeaus on 31/12/2006 02:20:55 Just installed and tried to do this with the last BAT file suggested.
It takes quite a while for it to copy all the Machonet and all the other files, any way to speed this up?
Thought : Copy the folders induvidually and exclude MachoNet instead of copying MachoNet and then deleting it?
Tanking Survivability Calculator
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Gor Kraon
Minmatar Shadowclan
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Posted - 2006.12.31 02:38:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Gor Kraon on 31/12/2006 02:44:13 Edited by: Gor Kraon on 31/12/2006 02:41:47 Heh, was going to try... went to check how big the ramdisk would need to be for my Cache folder... its 367MB, and 349 of that is in pictures. I like portraits, probably borders on OCD when i try to load portraits for every pilot in whatever system I'm in (234MB in portraits). But Gids is also quite large at 104MB.
So... would there still be benefits to using a RAMdrive for the other folders? And keep the portraits/gids in my HD?
I'll have to research this a bunch more... i was just dreaming of instant loading programs yesterday.
Another Edit: Are junction points similar enough to symlink so that using the batch file is not necessary? It seems Vista will support symlink... if this comes in handy for other stuff i may have to look at upgrading (at some point!)
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Dominie Dirtch
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Posted - 2006.12.31 02:40:00 -
[39]
What about multiple accounts? :\
Running two accounts on one PC for instance.
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Di Jiensai
Gallente Myster0ns
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Posted - 2006.12.31 02:43:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Gor Kraon If we do use this, specifically the last all purpose 'cleaned' batch file, do we use that for each client we want to run? Anything else i would have to do to run multiple clients?
You can use that for several clients, just save a copy for each client you want to run, under a diffrent name, and edit the specific directorys eg. c:\ccp\eve2 and s:\cache2
you then have to start them seperately.
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Ritchler
Gallente Bacardi Lonestars Incorportated
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Posted - 2006.12.31 02:47:00 -
[41]
I have a headache
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Di Jiensai
Gallente Myster0ns
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Posted - 2006.12.31 02:48:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Aeaus Edited by: Aeaus on 31/12/2006 02:20:55 Just installed and tried to do this with the last BAT file suggested.
It takes quite a while for it to copy all the Machonet and all the other files, any way to speed this up?
Thought : Copy the folders induvidually and exclude MachoNet instead of copying MachoNet and then deleting it?
Yes, a lot of copying, i think it would be better to run one Make_cache script before you start eve, and one Save_cache before you shutdown the pc. then atleast you dont have to copy stuff when you just restart eve.
and about the useless machonet copy: yes, its just lazyness. less commands neccessary to just copy the whole cache folder :)
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.31 02:49:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Kirex
Do we run shutdown.bat before we're about to close eve or after eve is already shut down?
After EVE is shut down, before you shut down your computer.
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Tharrn
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.12.31 02:50:00 -
[44]
Guess who nuked his prefs.ini and settings folder.
Now recruiting!
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Grez
Minmatar The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.12.31 02:56:00 -
[45]
I was going to do this, until I realised I needed to reboot.
BLASPHEMY! THOU SHALL NOT REBOOT!
My 8 raid drives will do just nicely <3 ---
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.31 02:58:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Tharrn Guess who nuked his prefs.ini and settings folder.
BACK IT UP FIRST!!! 
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Dominie Dirtch
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Posted - 2006.12.31 03:00:00 -
[47]
Create a "cache" folder in the newly created S: RAMdrive. Right-click drag it to the inside of the EVE folder, and select "create junction here."
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Inside of the eve folder, by this you mean the cache folder or the actual eve folder?
also, there is no option to create junction for me :(
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Tharrn
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.12.31 03:03:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Tharrn Guess who nuked his prefs.ini and settings folder.
BACK IT UP FIRST!!! 
Yeah, would have been a good idea :P I am sure I can't remember half of the channel passwords :P
Now recruiting!
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Dominie Dirtch
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Posted - 2006.12.31 03:08:00 -
[49]
Was just me being stupid, done it now.
One question tho, i usually run 3 accounts on one PC, does this mean that all 3 cache's combined must be under 62mb? or is there a way to change this?
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Dominie Dirtch
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Posted - 2006.12.31 03:16:00 -
[50]
And after some fiddling
For those with multiple accounts, you will find it difficult to make more than one 'Cache' folder on your s:\ ramdrive, so what i did was create a cache2/3/4/5 etc... and then linked it to a cache file in your eve-directory (after re-naming the origional cache to cache2)
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Ifni
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2006.12.31 03:22:00 -
[51]
One thing that wasn't covered, unless I'm blind, you have to rename the linked folder to cache, since it defaults to "link to cache".
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Dominie Dirtch
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Posted - 2006.12.31 03:25:00 -
[52]
Is it possible to have two ram drives?
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Tharrn
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.12.31 03:28:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Tharrn
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Tharrn Guess who nuked his prefs.ini and settings folder.
BACK IT UP FIRST!!! 
Yeah, would have been a good idea :P I am sure I can't remember half of the channel passwords :P
Found a pre-Revelations cache backup - so just my overview settings are gone. I can live with that :) Lesson learned.
Now recruiting!
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Ifni
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2006.12.31 03:31:00 -
[54]
I have to acquire bulk data for ages everytime i boot EVE now, so if anythign I'm seeing worse performance, at least trying to log in.
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j0sephine
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.31 03:51:00 -
[55]
"Guess who nuked his prefs.ini and settings folder."
YOUR GODS HAVE DESERTED YOU, AMARR :o
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Abbadon
Caldari Pukin' Dogs Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.12.31 03:56:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Ifni I have to acquire bulk data for ages everytime i boot EVE now, so if anythign I'm seeing worse performance, at least trying to log in.
iirc that is the contents of the machonet folder being downloaded, just make sure you back it up and copy it onto ramdrive before you log in. .
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Gor Kraon
Minmatar Shadowclan
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Posted - 2006.12.31 03:57:00 -
[57]
Also, wouldn't doing the same for the Logs folder be a good idea? That thing gets hit often...
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Dominie Dirtch
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Posted - 2006.12.31 03:58:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Gor Kraon Also, wouldn't doing the same for the Logs folder be a good idea? That thing gets hit often...
Disable logging ingame?
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.31 04:01:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Ifni I have to acquire bulk data for ages everytime i boot EVE now, so if anythign I'm seeing worse performance, at least trying to log in.
Meh, you're right. I've removed that from the batch file.
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Aeaus
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.12.31 05:16:00 -
[60]
s: cd .. cd .. cd .. xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H cache C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\cache2
I don't know what's wrong here, but this just doesn't work.
I even modified the program to make a "cache2" folder, but nothing get's copied. S:\ is my drive, and that's the address of where the cache should be, but it doesn't work.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.31 05:34:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Aeaus s: cd .. cd .. cd .. xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H cache C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\cache2
I don't know what's wrong here, but this just doesn't work.
I even modified the program to make a "cache2" folder, but nothing get's copied. S:\ is my drive, and that's the address of where the cache should be, but it doesn't work.
Try doing it in the command line manually to see what's going wrong.
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Aeaus
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.12.31 06:10:00 -
[62]
s: xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H cache C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\cache2 Invalid number of parameters
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Shadow Lightbringer
Nightghosts Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.31 06:39:00 -
[63]
Well, I have set this up and I have to say great work DS, there is a noticeable performance improvement as my client is simply running more smoothly.
Great work on this one DS, I love it. 
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Abbadon
Caldari Pukin' Dogs Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.12.31 06:44:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Aeaus s: xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H cache C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\cache2 Invalid number of parameters
I've had similiar problems in the past with a number of command line utilities and have found the cause to be the length of the path statement.
(Xcopy wouldn't copy from C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\cache2) (mountvol wouldn't mount ramdrive to C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\cache)
To fix this I've moved my whole Eve installation to C:\Eve and then gone through the whole Ramdrive configuration from scratch. .
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Shadow Lightbringer
Nightghosts Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.31 07:41:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Abbadon
Originally by: Aeaus s: xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H cache C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\cache2 Invalid number of parameters
I've had similiar problems in the past with a number of command line utilities and have found the cause to be the length of the path statement.
(Xcopy wouldn't copy from C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\cache2) (mountvol wouldn't mount ramdrive to C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\cache)
To fix this I've moved my whole Eve installation to C:\Eve and then gone through the whole Ramdrive configuration from scratch.
In place of C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\cache2 you could also use C:\Progra~1\CCP\EVE\cache2 which is what I am doing and it works fine. It should resolve issues you might be having with length of the path statement.
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Zana Kito
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Posted - 2006.12.31 07:46:00 -
[66]
I've tried with both the qSoft ramdrive (which only limited me to 32mb not 64mb even though i set it for such, why??).. and the AR ramdrive software, but it doesn't work with junction links.
Are there any better ramdrives, preferably ones that are free, similar to the qsoft but allow at least 128mb?
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FireFoxx80
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.12.31 11:48:00 -
[67]
Hardware Ram drive for those of you who have old DDR modules sitting about.
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Di Jiensai
Gallente Myster0ns
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Posted - 2006.12.31 12:07:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Aeaus s: xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H cache C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\cache2 Invalid number of parameters
The problem is the directory "Program Files" which contains a " ". You need to put the argument which contains so called whitespace in "", like this: xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H cache "C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\cache2"
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Miranda Duvall
Gallente OPM Holdings
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Posted - 2006.12.31 12:53:00 -
[69]
I'll assume all this doesn't breach the EULA (you dont change eve, you change the hardware under it), but maybe a GM could confirm this is legal?
I'll have a go at this myself later on when I have some time to spare. I "only" have 1GB of RAM tho...
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.31 13:50:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Miranda Duvall I'll assume all this doesn't breach the EULA (you dont change eve, you change the hardware under it), but maybe a GM could confirm this is legal?
Its perfectly fine.
All you're doing is symlinking the cache to a different folder.
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Kaar
Art of War Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.31 13:54:00 -
[71]
I read the other thread too and was going to try this, but then I questioned what, if any, benefit moving the cache to ram would give.
Open up task manager during your normal eve play and see how much has been write/read to your hard drive, for me it was never more than a few hundred mb over hours of having the client running and I'll bet the majority of that was loaded during login.
I decided it didnt warrant all this fussing around for such a minimal gain and risk of running out of cache space when you most need it. Has anyone even tested this during a fleet/pos fight?
Before anyone tries this I suggest you defrag your cache folder and see if that solves any of your problems.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.31 13:57:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 31/12/2006 13:56:57
Originally by: Kaar I read the other thread too and was going to try this, but then I questioned what, if any, benefit moving the cache to ram would give.
Open up task manager during your normal eve play and see how much has been write/read to your hard drive, for me it was never more than a few hundred mb over hours of having the client running and I'll bet the majority of that was loaded during login.
I decided it didnt warrant all this fussing around for such a minimal gain and risk of running out of cache space when you most need it. Has anyone even tested this during a fleet/pos fight?
Before anyone tries this I suggest you defrag your cache folder and see if that solves any of your problems.
1. Hard disks are very slow at loading tons of small files. NTFS is particularly bad--if Windows ran on an optimized file system such as ReiserFS, this would not be as much of a problem.
2. Even if you defragment your cache, it'll be fragmented again within a day or two due to the data going in and out of it.
I noticed a very marked difference with the cache in RAM.
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Rakeris
Legio VIII
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Posted - 2006.12.31 14:00:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Rakeris on 31/12/2006 14:01:05 As did I, I was pleasantly surprised to say the least.
Nice guide though. (even though I didn't use it :p) I used the idea though, and I thank you for it. ^^
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Tasha Starstrider
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Posted - 2006.12.31 14:08:00 -
[74]
Where do you see the performance increase? In mid-battle, or at the beginning of battles/jumps/loading times after session changes?
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Rakeris
Legio VIII
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Posted - 2006.12.31 14:17:00 -
[75]
Logging in, after warps and session changes was the biggest. I haven't really compared it to anything else, but it was quite noticeable, in those two at least.
I like the one .bat file that Di Jiensai made as well, quite nifty.
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Kaar
Art of War Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.31 14:22:00 -
[76]
Originally by: FireFoxx80 Hardware Ram drive for those of you who have old DDR modules sitting about.
Thanks for that link btw, there's a review here for anyone that's interested.
I know I'll be getting one when I have to upgrade to DDR2 
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Miranda Duvall
Gallente OPM Holdings
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Posted - 2006.12.31 14:26:00 -
[77]
I tried this now, and did indeed notice quite an improvement. I must admit I also cleared my cache first..
There is however a however :)
I see "access denied" errors when running the batch file, and i when I quit eve, and unpaused the batchfile, both my cache folders were empty 
Good thing I didn't back up my cache folder, otherwise i'd still have my settings...
I'll try to edit the batchfile some more...
I'll be back!
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.31 14:28:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Miranda Duvall I tried this now, and did indeed notice quite an improvement. I must admit I also cleared my cache first..
There is however a however :)
I see "access denied" errors when running the batch file, and i when I quit eve, and unpaused the batchfile, both my cache folders were empty 
Good thing I didn't back up my cache folder, otherwise i'd still have my settings...
I'll try to edit the batchfile some more...
I'll be back!
Access denied probably means the batch file is trying to delete the cache while EVE is running.
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Rakeris
Legio VIII
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Posted - 2006.12.31 14:36:00 -
[79]
I was wanting to try to put mu whole eve folder on it, but I'm around 100MB short. So I was wondering, what folders do you think would be most beneficial if I where to put them on the RAMDisk?
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.31 14:40:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Rakeris I was wanting to try to put mu whole eve folder on it, but I'm around 100MB short. So I was wondering, what folders do you think would be most beneficial if I where to put them on the RAMDisk?
Well you could put individual STUFF files on a RAMdisk by using the rightclick-drag-create hardlink feature of NTFS Link. I'd pick the ones that you access most during gameplay--i.e. not the tutorial one, not the COSMOS one, etc.
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Rantor
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Posted - 2006.12.31 14:40:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The result seemed pretty damn effective and rather easy to setup.
If we put cache to RAM drive and it makes game faster, well... hm... isn't that a flashing point to CCP devs that they really should have changed something in their cache architecture already?
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.31 14:47:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Rantor
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The result seemed pretty damn effective and rather easy to setup.
If we put cache to RAM drive and it makes game faster, well... hm... isn't that a flashing point to CCP devs that they really should have changed something in their cache architecture already?
Not really, I think.
CCP could quite easily implement such a thing as a feature in EVE, but it would drastically raise RAM usage, which would hurt those who don't have tons of extra RAM.
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Rakeris
Legio VIII
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Posted - 2006.12.31 14:53:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Rakeris I was wanting to try to put mu whole eve folder on it, but I'm around 100MB short. So I was wondering, what folders do you think would be most beneficial if I where to put them on the RAMDisk?
Well you could put individual STUFF files on a RAMdisk by using the rightclick-drag-create hardlink feature of NTFS Link. I'd pick the ones that you access most during gameplay--i.e. not the tutorial one, not the COSMOS one, etc.
Ok, I'll give that a try, thanks!
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Rantor
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The result seemed pretty damn effective and rather easy to setup.
If we put cache to RAM drive and it makes game faster, well... hm... isn't that a flashing point to CCP devs that they really should have changed something in their cache architecture already?
Not really, I think.
CCP could quite easily implement such a thing as a feature in EVE, but it would drastically raise RAM usage, which would hurt those who don't have tons of extra RAM.
Well, you could always have an option for it. On/Off/Custom.
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Dr Isk
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Posted - 2006.12.31 14:58:00 -
[84]
/me feels sorry for the gms getting petitions on how to setup their ramdrive lol.
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Tasha Starstrider
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Posted - 2006.12.31 15:07:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Tasha Starstrider on 31/12/2006 15:08:03 Double-postie ftl
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Tasha Starstrider
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Posted - 2006.12.31 15:08:00 -
[86]
I'm still interested in more specifically where you're going to see an increase? I don't notice a lot of problems at the moment, but I'm always trying to squeeze more out of my rig.
Curious as to when you're going to notice a difference in-game, with what sort of actions/scenarios, etc., if anyone wouldn't mind commenting who's setup things already. :)
Thanks
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Tharrn
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.12.31 15:12:00 -
[87]
Originally by: FireFoxx80 Hardware Ram drive for those of you who have old DDR modules sitting about.
Does that really require a Gigabyte board? I have some ol' spare RAM, so it sounds interesting. In fact I have no idea what board I have in this DELL abomination.
Now recruiting!
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Rakeris
Legio VIII
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Posted - 2006.12.31 15:13:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Tasha Starstrider I'm still interested in more specifically where you're going to see an increase? I don't notice a lot of problems at the moment, but I'm always trying to squeeze more out of my rig.
Curious as to when you're going to notice a difference in-game, with what sort of actions/scenarios, etc., if anyone wouldn't mind commenting who's setup things already. :)
Thanks
Since you asked, I'll just quote me from an earlier post.
Originally by: Rakeris Logging in, after warps and session changes was the biggest. I haven't really compared it to anything else, but it was quite noticeable, in those two at least.
Just my experiences anyhow.
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Miranda Duvall
Gallente OPM Holdings
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Posted - 2006.12.31 15:21:00 -
[89]
Im trying with 2 clients, each in its own folder on the D: drive, and each got its own folder on S: linked to the cache folder in the Eve folder, and each has its own batchfile.
Both clients start up fine, and work pretty fast, however: if I try to start the second client when the first is alredy running, it gets stuck at "aqcquiring bulk data"
this happens to both clients, no matter in which order i start: first to start runs fine, second gets stuck
I use this batchfile:
Quote:
@echo off REM edit line below with your full eve path(no trailing \) set EVEPATH=D:\Games\EVE set BCKCACHEDIR=bckcache
REM edit line below with your full ramdisk cache folder path (no trailing \) set RAMPATH=S:\cache1
@echo copying files, Please wait xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H "%EVEPATH%\%BCKCACHEDIR%" %RAMPATH% @echo files copied @echo removing machonet rmdir /s /q %RAMPATH%\machonet @echo machonet removed "%EVEPATH%\eve.exe" cls @echo (only press when you shutdown eve) pause rmdir /s /q "%EVEPATH%\%BCKCACHEDIR%" xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H %RAMPATH% "%EVEPATH%\%BCKCACHEDIR%\" rmdir /s /q %RAMPATH% mkdir %RAMPATH% exit
The other batchfile is the same except for:
Quote:
@echo off REM edit line below with your full eve path(no trailing \) set EVEPATH=D:\Games\EVE-2 set BCKCACHEDIR=bckcache
REM edit line below with your full ramdisk cache folder path (no trailing \) set RAMPATH=S:\cache2
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Rantor
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Posted - 2006.12.31 15:25:00 -
[90]
Edited by: Rantor on 31/12/2006 15:26:25
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Rantor
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The result seemed pretty damn effective and rather easy to setup.
If we put cache to RAM drive and it makes game faster, well... hm... isn't that a flashing point to CCP devs that they really should have changed something in their cache architecture already?
Not really, I think.
CCP could quite easily implement such a thing as a feature in EVE, but it would drastically raise RAM usage, which would hurt those who don't have tons of extra RAM.
Actually I was not thinking of loading all of the cache into memory - that's not the best thing to do in this situation, but instead optimizing their file IO routines. Because it seems to me that file/file system IO is the real bottleneck here. Mapping files to memory, maybe? Minimizing the 'file open' operations. And deprecating/deleting some files they don't really need anymore (I'm sure there are a lot of them!).
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Sha'Uri Dark
Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.12.31 16:10:00 -
[91]
Edited by: Sha''Uri Dark on 31/12/2006 16:16:27 I've installed both the RAMDisk and the NTFS Link programs but when I right-click the Cache folder on the ram drive and try to create a link to the Eve install I get:
Failed to create junction. Most likely the target file system does not support this function.
It's already NTFS, so I'm kinda at a lose as to what to try/do next.
EDIT: The RAM drive that was created is FAT file system. Should this be NTFS and if so how do I change it to NTFS? -------------------------------- As a Freelancer...scratch that Originally by: Shar Tegral Stop projecting your out of game beliefs of what society should be upon the rest of us.
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Elliot Reid
Digital Fury Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.31 16:15:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Belautis This sounds like Eve ReadyBoost :). Anyone tried to run eve off a 2 or 4 Gb USB pendrive ? Is it a lot faster ? They've dropped down in price a lot, might be interesting to give that a go ;).
I just stuck EVE on my newly acquired USB2 pen drive and it was smooth. I didn't use my main or alt as they're .0 based and I didn't want to risk it. I had a mess around with an 800k sp alt in low sec and it was good. If I grow the stones I'll try it in a PvP op in .0  _______________________________
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Zerker
Caldari The Buccaneers
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Posted - 2006.12.31 16:29:00 -
[93]
Hi, Thanks for the time you spent doing this. I really want to get this to work since my game runs terrible atm, any chance of giving some directions with the batch file, i got upto this point but i don't know where it is. I should be fine once i find it, thanks.
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Kaar
Art of War Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.31 16:38:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Elliot Reid
Originally by: Belautis This sounds like Eve ReadyBoost :). Anyone tried to run eve off a 2 or 4 Gb USB pendrive ? Is it a lot faster ? They've dropped down in price a lot, might be interesting to give that a go ;).
I just stuck EVE on my newly acquired USB2 pen drive and it was smooth. I didn't use my main or alt as they're .0 based and I didn't want to risk it. I had a mess around with an 800k sp alt in low sec and it was good. If I grow the stones I'll try it in a PvP op in .0 
Hmm I think USB2.0 operates around 40mb/s which is slightly slower (i think) than an average SATA drive will get, and definately lower than a 2 disk RAID-0 config.
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Mike Yagon
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.31 16:54:00 -
[95]
Mostly out of curiousity, but since my laptop only has 512mb ram, is that even sufficient to try this on? I think it might choke windows a little causing it to start swapping like an idiot which will achieve the exact opposite what I'd want to get. ;)
I just need to actually do a little HDD maintenance on my laptop, windows hasn't been formatted for 2 years, the drive is over 50% fragmented and it's still running on FAT32, all because I couldn't be bothered defragging and formatting. 
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Tharrn
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.12.31 17:38:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Sha'Uri Dark
I've installed AR Soft Ramdisk...
The AR RAMdisk is no longer under development (stopped in like 1998?) and was written for Windows NT and 2000. I couldn't get it to give me an actual driveletter either and am now using the one DS provided - which works like a charm.
Now recruiting!
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Zerker
Caldari The Buccaneers
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Posted - 2006.12.31 17:48:00 -
[97]
Where is the batch file located?
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Sha'Uri Dark
Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.12.31 18:15:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Zerker Where is the batch file located?
Where ever you created it. -------------------------------- As a Freelancer...scratch that Originally by: Shar Tegral Stop projecting your out of game beliefs of what society should be upon the rest of us.
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Rakeris
Legio VIII
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Posted - 2006.12.31 18:21:00 -
[99]
The batch file isn't anywhere, you have to make it.
Here is the one Di made, you only need one for it, just open notepad and put that in it, edit the lines that say so, than save it as EVE.bat or something .bat it will then save it as a batch file. Mine is E:\Program Files\CCP\EVE so remove that line and put your path name there. Same with the S:\cache line. Can't get much simpler than that. Enjoy.
@echo off REM edit line below with your full eve path(no trailing \) set EVEPATH=E:\Program Files\CCP\EVE
REM edit line below with your full ramdisk cache folder path (no trailing \) set RAMPATH=S:\cache
@echo copying files, Please wait xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H "%EVEPATH%\cache2" %RAMPATH% @echo files copied "%EVEPATH%\eve.exe" cls @echo (only press when you shutdown eve) pause rmdir /s /q "%EVEPATH%\cache2" xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H %RAMPATH% "%EVEPATH%\cache2\" rmdir /s /q %RAMPATH% mkdir %RAMPATH% exit
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Sha'Uri Dark
Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.12.31 18:25:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Tharrn
The AR RAMdisk is no longer under development (stopped in like 1998?) and was written for Windows NT and 2000. I couldn't get it to give me an actual driveletter either and am now using the one DS provided - which works like a charm.
Yeah I saw that they stopped support and development announcement in 05', tried DS's link but when I try to use the .inf file it says something about it not having anything about my computer in it and stops there. Guess I'll get it sorted out next year as I've got things to do for the rest of this one. -------------------------------- As a Freelancer...scratch that Originally by: Shar Tegral Stop projecting your out of game beliefs of what society should be upon the rest of us.
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Zerker
Caldari The Buccaneers
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Posted - 2006.12.31 18:29:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Rakeris The batch file isn't anywhere, you have to make it.
Here is the one Di made, you only need one for it, just open notepad and put that in it, edit the lines that say so, than save it as EVE.bat or something .bat it will then save it as a batch file. Mine is E:\Program Files\CCP\EVE so remove that line and put your path name there. Same with the S:\cache line. Can't get much simpler than that. Enjoy.
@echo off REM edit line below with your full eve path(no trailing \) set EVEPATH=E:\Program Files\CCP\EVE
REM edit line below with your full ramdisk cache folder path (no trailing \) set RAMPATH=S:\cache
@echo copying files, Please wait xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H "%EVEPATH%\cache2" %RAMPATH% @echo files copied "%EVEPATH%\eve.exe" cls @echo (only press when you shutdown eve) pause rmdir /s /q "%EVEPATH%\cache2" xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H %RAMPATH% "%EVEPATH%\cache2\" rmdir /s /q %RAMPATH% mkdir %RAMPATH% exit
perfect thanks :)
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Smada
Templar Republic
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Posted - 2006.12.31 18:45:00 -
[102]
Quote: Does that really require a Gigabyte board? I have some ol' spare RAM, so it sounds interesting. In fact I have no idea what board I have in this DELL abomination.
Edit: Intel board with a 945G chipset that features the ICH7 thingy - so it should work, right?
Tharrn - doesn't need to be a Gigabyte mobo, mines plugged into an Asus. As long as you've got a PCI slot free your laughing.
Very easy to set up, you're supposed to only use the recommended RAM modules but I have a feeling any reasonable quality ones would work.
Actually I think mine has 2 x 1 Gb sticks from OCUK - so not exactly cutting edge, break the bank stuff.
hth
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Idara
Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 19:43:00 -
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Don't know if it's been asked, but would there be a way to run EVE from a USB thumbdrive? Would that not just involve putting the EVE folder on the thumbdrive (1-2GB in size) and running it to get the same performance? ---
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Karmic
Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.31 20:04:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Idara Don't know if it's been asked, but would there be a way to run EVE from a USB thumbdrive? Would that not just involve putting the EVE folder on the thumbdrive (1-2GB in size) and running it to get the same performance?
I think it is more than likely possible but you would more than likely not see any great performance boost due to the issue of the bandwidth of usb2. - - - - - - - - -
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Zerker
Caldari The Buccaneers
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Posted - 2006.12.31 20:43:00 -
[105]
Fantastic, got it working loads so much faster now, better performance all round, cheers!! ...
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Hajarki
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Posted - 2006.12.31 20:46:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Hajarki on 31/12/2006 20:46:54 http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=427438
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defiler
Caldari Mad Hermit
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Posted - 2006.12.31 21:12:00 -
[107]
Edited by: defiler on 31/12/2006 21:13:16 Great work Dark Shikari!
Since my eyes had gone missing so I couldn't find this thread myself and eve-search timed out over and over I started preparing my own guide. ICBA to sift through all the replies here, but unless my eyes are missing again there's no mention of logon/logoff scripts here. So, here's my contribution to this little thread...
I went for a different program than DS did, namely a lovely Sysinternals tool called Junction. Download and extract it, if you extract it to C:\Windows or C:\Windows\System32 you can run it from anywhere without modifying your Path variable. After doing that, simply follow the steps below. For the rest of this guide I'm going to assume that Eve is installed in C:\Games and the drive letter for your RAMdisk is X:.
Running the batch files DS described certainly makes things easier, but what if you forget it? then everything in your cache from the last reboot is lost forever. So, wouldn't it be nice if we could automate this process?
Enter logon/logoff scripts, which as their name implies are run automatically whenever you log on or log off. Unfortunately, in Windows XP Home these nifty little things are crippled to the point that I highly doubt it's legal to hack them into shape. So, this stuff only works for XP Pro and 2000.
Get on with it!
Alright, first we need to designate a folder on your harddrive where your cache files will be stored when not loaded in your RAMdisk. Let's say you go for C:\evecache, then your logon script would look something like this:
junction -s C:\Games\EVE\cache X:\ xcopy C:\evecache X:\ /Q /Y /D /I /C /K /H /E /R
Just copy those two lines, paste it into an empty notepad, modify the paths as necessary and save it as ramlogon.bat (or any name you choose) in C:\WINDOWS\System32\GroupPolicy\User\Scripts\Logon. Just remember to set "Save as type:" to "All files" otherwise the file will be saved as ramlogon.bat.txt and that just won't work.
As for the logoff script...
junction -d C:\Games\EVE\cache xcopy X:\ C:\evecache /Q /Y /D /I /C /K /H /E /R
Just repeat the process for the two lines above and save as ramlogoff.bat in C:\WINDOWS\System32\GroupPolicy\User\Scripts\Logoff. Notice the amusing choice of flags for xcopy? /Q speeds it up a bit, /Y is absolutely necessary for use in scripts and the remaining flags basically do everything you'll ever need from xcopy and while some of them may be a bit redundant they are really easy to remember when written like that... ;)
Now, open up Start - Run and type in "gpedit.msc". Under User Configuration - Windows Settings - Scripts (Logon/Logoff) double-click Logon, click Add, Browse and select ramlogon.bat. Ok it twice, and repeat for Logoff.
Finally, we are done!
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defiler
Caldari Mad Hermit
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Posted - 2006.12.31 21:21:00 -
[108]
Oh, one more thing... Be careful, alright? My computer would lock up whenever I restarted after adding the logoff script. After a bit of testing I discovered the cause: I had forgotten the /Y flag on xcopy, the computer wait for me to decide if I wanted to overwrite a modified file in the cache. I never saw this since the scripts run without a console window open.
My point? It's easy to make mistakes, and mistakes can cost you dearly. Don't "install" the scripts without running them manually a couple of times to verify that they work. If in doubt, test again. I take no responsibility for whatever might happen to your computer if you try this.
That said, I'm almost completely sure this will work, please let me know if it doesn't. Good luck, and thank you for your time, you've been a lovely audience.
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Gor Kraon
Minmatar Shadowclan
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Posted - 2006.12.31 22:56:00 -
[109]
Those batch files do work, assuming you get used to using them. (And don't lose power randomly.) What about a solution without having to use them at all?
Like this. It is free, restores the drive at power up, saves at intervals and/or shutdown, all kinds of settings... Seems really handy.
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Rakeris
Legio VIII
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Posted - 2006.12.31 23:06:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Rakeris on 31/12/2006 23:07:43 Hate to seem like I am going on about this, but just use the one batch file made by Di. Rename it EVE put in on your desktop, delete your old short cut and you are done. You only need one file it even auto starts EVE and when you close EVE all you do is select the window and press a key, and it saves the files. Works great...you can even change the icon if you don't like the .bat file look.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.31 23:12:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Gor Kraon Those batch files do work, assuming you get used to using them. (And don't lose power randomly.) What about a solution without having to use them at all?
Like this. It is free, restores the drive at power up, saves at intervals and/or shutdown, all kinds of settings... Seems really handy.
That's actually really cool. I like that.
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Gor Kraon
Minmatar Shadowclan
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Posted - 2006.12.31 23:20:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Rakeris Edited by: Rakeris on 31/12/2006 23:07:43 Hate to seem like I am going on about this, but just use the one batch file made by Di. Rename it EVE put in on your desktop, delete your old short cut and you are done. You only need one file it even auto starts EVE and when you close EVE all you do is select the window and press a key, and it saves the files. Works great...you can even change the icon if you don't like the .bat file look.
It works, but if you are like me, and start/shutdown EVE constantly it will be slower than just saving/writing the contents of the RAMdrive it at system startup and shutdown, which that program lets you do without thinking. You could make batch files and run them at startup (even automatically) and probably could write one to do so do the shutdown procedures and then turn off your computer, but the program does that too... Heck, you might be able to schedule a batch file to save the RAMdrive contents at whatever interval you want to the hard drive with the windows scheduler thing, but again, the program does that. Which is better? Eh... I'll use the program. It seems more convenient.
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Caligulus
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Posted - 2006.12.31 23:23:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Kaar
Originally by: Elliot Reid
Originally by: Belautis This sounds like Eve ReadyBoost :). Anyone tried to run eve off a 2 or 4 Gb USB pendrive ? Is it a lot faster ? They've dropped down in price a lot, might be interesting to give that a go ;).
I just stuck EVE on my newly acquired USB2 pen drive and it was smooth. I didn't use my main or alt as they're .0 based and I didn't want to risk it. I had a mess around with an 800k sp alt in low sec and it was good. If I grow the stones I'll try it in a PvP op in .0 
Hmm I think USB2.0 operates around 40mb/s which is slightly slower (i think) than an average SATA drive will get, and definately lower than a 2 disk RAID-0 config.
USB 2.0 operates at a rate of 480 Mbit/s (60 MB/s).
SATA does run faster at a rate of 1.2 Gbit/s, or 150 megabytes per second (MB/s)
However, you need to understand the operations of an HDD vs. an SSD(FLASH) device. Hard drives are horrible at loading a multiple small files. They excell in moving large single file volumes of data. This primarily lies in the mechanical architecture of today's HDD. Every time the HD loads a file it has to stop and "seek" to the location of the next file. What's worse is that cache folder is "dynamic" meaning it's written and rewritten to very frequently when you play eve. This induces something called "fragmentation". Essentially the computer writes stuff to your HDD at random locations and updates the file table to reflect that. So while in the beginning everything is written to the disk in sequential form (meaning the HDD doesn't have to seek all over the drive to find data) after a short period of time that data disperses all over the drive increases seek times. Seeing as the EVE cache is a variable nightmare of small files it means you lose a lot of precious time loading to your HDD seeking files.
Solid state FLASH and RAM do not run on that same principle. The do not suffer the limitations of a mechanical device and while still slower then actual RAM are a couple hundred times faster. (SSD on WIKI)
- "SSDs based on volatile memory such as SDRAM and are categorized by fast data access, less than 0.01 milliseconds (over 250 times faster than the fastest hard drives in 2004) and are used primarily to accelerate applications that would otherwise be held back by the latency of disk drives."
Since the type of data (EVE cache data) beign dealt with is in small files and in a small volume (it's not all loaded at the same time). Sticking the CACHE if not the entire contents of the EVE client on a USB flash drive is going to make it run faster then any Hard Drive solution out there (including SCSI and other high performance devices). This is why CCP moved to a DRAM-based SSD solution for EVE's database.
So here's the real catch with running programs off of a thumb drive. SSD FLASH drives (also reffered to as NAND and NOR memories) have a finite number of write cycles. Medium grade devices are limited typically to several thousand cycles before they fail (USB Flash on WIKI).
So in short, throwing EVE on a thumb drive will make it "fly" for a month or so before it dies. Furthermore it's currently impossible to tell how many more cycles a flash drive has before it fails.
The best solution is still carving out a chunk of ones RAM for this as it's even faster and more reliable. For ease of use, i'd go with it on a flash drive....just keep a backup.
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Ernest Graefenberg
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:04:00 -
[114]
Bumping to confirm awesomeness. However :
Quote: This is my shutdown.bat c: cd .. cd .. cd .. cd .. cd .. cd program files\CCP\EVE rmdir /s /q cache2 s: cd \ xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H s:\cache c:\program files\CCP\EVE\cache2 rmdir /s /q cache c:
This does not copy the contents of my RAMDisk to the cache2 folder after deleting it.
That, and with 0 portraits my cache folder is approximately 40mb, mostly in the Pictures/Gids folder. Are these all necessary ?
And if yes, an easy way or at least idiot proof instructions on how to create a 128mb RAMDisk would be golden :)
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MysticNZ
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:08:00 -
[115]
I don't think you guys should be telling people to convert their disks to NTFS. It doesn't always work, trust me.
Unless you guys really want to try this I don't suggest you do it unless you really know what you're doing. -=====-
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:20:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg Bumping to confirm awesomeness. However :
Quote: This is my shutdown.bat c: cd .. cd .. cd .. cd .. cd .. cd program files\CCP\EVE rmdir /s /q cache2 s: cd \ xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H s:\cache c:\program files\CCP\EVE\cache2 rmdir /s /q cache c:
This does not copy the contents of my RAMDisk to the cache2 folder after deleting it.
The problem was that you need to put quotes around the directory address, AFAIK.
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Kaar
Art of War Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:26:00 -
[117]
I found another ramdisk program that lets you set much larger drives and seems to be free
Linkeh
It's really basic but still works with DS's instructions. Size and drive letter can be set in device manager (it's listed as a "RAM Disk").
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.01 03:08:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Kaar Edited by: Kaar on 01/01/2007 01:37:46 I found another ramdisk program that lets you set much larger drives and seems to be free
Linkeh
It's really basic but still works with DS's instructions. Size and drive letter can be set in device manager (it's listed as a "RAM Disk").
edit: actually i think its already been posted... they all have the same bloody name 
Shareware = not free, unfortunately.
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Tunajuice
Convergent Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.01 06:18:00 -
[119]
A moden flash drive spreads out data across the memory evenly, and has backup memory cells. It would last for 5-10 years doing this in eve all day long.
The problem is, flash isn't that fast. Ramdrive is really fast. Since eve only takes say 500mg of ram.. if you have 2 gigs of ram, you could gain a lot of speed giving say 500 mb of ram to cache stuff, and 1.5 gb to the rest of the system.
Still, I wouldn't mess with this, eve isn't that slow. Maybe when I upgrade to 4gb of ram, I will make a 2gb flash drive for a day, and put eve totally in there.. see what that does.
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defiler
Caldari Mad Hermit
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Posted - 2007.01.01 06:26:00 -
[120]
Unfortunately, 2GB isn't quite enough... .5GB for the eve files, another .5 for actually running eve, another .2-.5 for the system (assuming you don't run many apps in the background...). That's a grand total of 1.2-1.5 GB, or 60-75% load. Seeing as windows will quite happily start swapping well before the ram load gets to 50%... well...
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doctorstupid2
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.01 11:21:00 -
[121]
Quite possibly a stupid question (hopefully the irony in that is not lost on anyone)
When creating the junction to S:\cache, windows automatically names it "Link to cache," does it need to be renamed to just "cache?"
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marioman
Caldari Eye of God
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Posted - 2007.01.01 11:22:00 -
[122]
I've tried all of these and none work for WinXP x64. Anyone know of one that does?
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Mongo Smith
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.01 11:59:00 -
[123]
Originally by: doctorstupid2 Quite possibly a stupid question (hopefully the irony in that is not lost on anyone)
When creating the junction to S:\cache, windows automatically names it "Link to cache," does it need to be renamed to just "cache?"
Yes.
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DanMck
Amarr Rionnag Alba Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.01 12:38:00 -
[124]
Originally by: marioman I've tried all of these and none work for WinXP x64. Anyone know of one that does?
was just about to post the same question 
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Teluy
Caldari Hadean Drive Yards
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Posted - 2007.01.01 12:50:00 -
[125]
Guys, why don't you leave the caching to the application? Or to the filesystem? Heavily accessed files usually are kept dynamically in filesystem cache anyway and I guess eve itself keeps a lot of stuff in the cache as well (textures, etc.). So I guess you are ending up having a lot of things twice in the memory - that's no problem for people with a lot of memory, but might actually worse the problem for the ones with < 1GB ram.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.01 13:24:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Teluy Guys, why don't you leave the caching to the application? Or to the filesystem? Heavily accessed files usually are kept dynamically in filesystem cache anyway and I guess eve itself keeps a lot of stuff in the cache as well (textures, etc.). So I guess you are ending up having a lot of things twice in the memory - that's no problem for people with a lot of memory, but might actually worse the problem for the ones with < 1GB ram.
Just my two cents.
Because the filesystem cache is of a limited size and you can't control it. The filesystem cache will end up being filled with the STUFF files from EVE's data and a little bit of the cache folder, not all of it.
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Teluy
Caldari Hadean Drive Yards
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Posted - 2007.01.01 13:45:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Because the filesystem cache is of a limited size and you can't control it. The filesystem cache will end up being filled with the STUFF files from EVE's data and a little bit of the cache folder, not all of it.
Good point, still the fs cache should cache the stuff which is mostly used, so it kinda adapts to the current situation. I don't know much about NTFS/FAT, it might be, that eve has some troubles looking up files (thousands of files in a directory).
And the 'app caches by itself already' is still true. It just sounds wrong to me to manually cache :) - especially as it isn't really clear what the real bottleneck is (aka premature optimisation).
Well anyway, with enough memory it shouldn't hurt (despite having a slightly more complex setup) ..: )
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doctorstupid2
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.01 13:49:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Mongo Smith
Originally by: doctorstupid2 Quite possibly a stupid question (hopefully the irony in that is not lost on anyone)
When creating the junction to S:\cache, windows automatically names it "Link to cache," does it need to be renamed to just "cache?"
Yes.
If that was mentioned anywhere in this thread previous, I do apologize. Dark Shikari, add that little piece of trivia to step 14 if you could 
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.01 14:07:00 -
[129]
Originally by: doctorstupid2
Originally by: Mongo Smith
Originally by: doctorstupid2 Quite possibly a stupid question (hopefully the irony in that is not lost on anyone)
When creating the junction to S:\cache, windows automatically names it "Link to cache," does it need to be renamed to just "cache?"
Yes.
If that was mentioned anywhere in this thread previous, I do apologize. Dark Shikari, add that little piece of trivia to step 14 if you could 
Done.
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Xen Gin
The Dragoons
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Posted - 2007.01.01 14:59:00 -
[130]
I've got it all running, except when EVE runs, it gets to "Acquiring Bulk Data" and seems to hang, while drawing in processor cycles. Anyone know why?
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.01 15:05:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Xen Gin I've got it all running, except when EVE runs, it gets to "Acquiring Bulk Data" and seems to hang, while drawing in processor cycles. Anyone know why?
That's because you deleted Machonet, which EVE will have to reload. Try to make sure in the future to not delete it unless you're having trouble with EVE (in which case its a good idea).
It'll take the client 20 to 60 seconds to do this, usually. Its a one-time thing.
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Xen Gin
The Dragoons
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Posted - 2007.01.01 15:21:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Xen Gin I've got it all running, except when EVE runs, it gets to "Acquiring Bulk Data" and seems to hang, while drawing in processor cycles. Anyone know why?
That's because you deleted Machonet, which EVE will have to reload. Try to make sure in the future to not delete it unless you're having trouble with EVE (in which case its a good idea).
It'll take the client 20 to 60 seconds to do this, usually. Its a one-time thing.
Thanks, that did it. The Batch file I was using from the previous page was deleting it every time.
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Cleric JohnPreston
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Posted - 2007.01.01 16:55:00 -
[133]
So any improvement using this ?
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division
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Posted - 2007.01.01 16:58:00 -
[134]
Not looked the whole thread, but I just got this working under Windows Vista.
many thanks to DS for yet another way to improve the Game we love....
<3
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D'an Y'eal
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.01 20:13:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Dominie Dirtch What about multiple accounts? :\
Running two accounts on one PC for instance.
I've run the startup.bat then run each of the clients you want (opening and closing multiple times as you wish) and run the shutdown.bat when you are done eve-ing
Works for me
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.01 21:16:00 -
[136]
Edited by: Andrue on 01/01/2007 21:25:03 Edited by: Andrue on 01/01/2007 21:23:32
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Teluy Guys, why don't you leave the caching to the application? Or to the filesystem? Heavily accessed files usually are kept dynamically in filesystem cache anyway and I guess eve itself keeps a lot of stuff in the cache as well (textures, etc.). So I guess you are ending up having a lot of things twice in the memory - that's no problem for people with a lot of memory, but might actually worse the problem for the ones with < 1GB ram.
Just my two cents.
Because the filesystem cache is of a limited size and you can't control it. The filesystem cache will end up being filled with the STUFF files from EVE's data and a little bit of the cache folder, not all of it.
No it isn't. The cache is dynamic. It's also not a filesystem cache for NTFS but is a file cache.
As it happens all NTFS metadata is stored in files anyway so the effect is similar. By being file based the cache is free to store information in whatever way is most helpful to the OS rather than just caching disk blocks. An example of this is compressed files. These are decompressed into the cache and stored that way. This avoids decompressing data more than once. It also means that for highly compressible data the CPU time spent decompressing the data might more than offset the time needed to read the uncompressed data from disk.
I'm not sure about FAT but that's probably a cruder, traditional, block based cache.
Having made that correction, however, I would agree that a RAM drive (if you have enough RAM spare) should help. -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.01 21:19:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Teluy
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Because the filesystem cache is of a limited size and you can't control it. The filesystem cache will end up being filled with the STUFF files from EVE's data and a little bit of the cache folder, not all of it.
Good point, still the fs cache should cache the stuff which is mostly used, so it kinda adapts to the current situation. I don't know much about NTFS/FAT, it might be, that eve has some troubles looking up files (thousands of files in a directory).
FAT certainly does because it has to perform a linear search of an unsorted list. NTFS OTOH is a modern file system and has B-Tree indexes. A directory has to contain many tens of thousands of files before there is a significant (in general disk bound I/O terms) drop in performance in locating an existing file.
OTOH creating new files in a directory carries a significant penalty with B-Trees. Luckily most applications do more reading of existing files than creating. -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.01.01 21:33:00 -
[138]
/me tries including logs into this 'project'
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chrisreeves
Gallente Asgard Protectorate
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Posted - 2007.01.01 21:53:00 -
[139]
Is it possible to link in the main post to any other of the free ramdrive proggy's that are mentioned in this thread?
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.01.01 22:31:00 -
[140]
reminds me... why the complicated path jumping...? the virtual folder is there already ^^
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.01 22:32:00 -
[141]
Originally by: chrisreeves Is it possible to link in the main post to any other of the free ramdrive proggy's that are mentioned in this thread?
Can you point me to one in particular that can do more than 64MB?
By the way, the evaluation version on the website I originally linked to has a "nag" that can be really easily disabled by going to control panel/start menu and taskbar/customize 
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Nidrian
Gallente Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.02 00:33:00 -
[142]
Edited by: Nidrian on 02/01/2007 00:33:36
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: chrisreeves Is it possible to link in the main post to any other of the free ramdrive proggy's that are mentioned in this thread?
Can you point me to one in particular that can do more than 64MB?
By the way, the evaluation version on the website I originally linked to has a "nag" that can be really easily disabled by going to control panel/start menu and taskbar/customize 
I found this one: Link
It's free and without a limit but no support / development anymore... It works for me on my XP Client so far.
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Abbadon
Caldari Pukin' Dogs Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.01.02 02:20:00 -
[143]
Just thought I would post a further update after playing with this for a couple of days now:
I've used this ramdrive (32 and 64bit versions available) Linkage
Its not free but I think its worth the cashola.
Ive created 3 ramdrives and have mounted CACHE, CAPTURE and BIN directories.
Ive used the batch files/tools supplied in this thread (thanks all)
Result: Ive noticed a marked improvement with any session changes (instant screen load), and no lag whatsoever when in combat and there are 100 combat msgs per second popping on screen.
FYI: System spec, AMD 64 x 2 4800, 2Gig ram, 2 x 7900gtx @ 1920x1200 max quality in driver) .
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.02 02:24:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Abbadon Just thought I would post a further update after playing with this for a couple of days now:
I've used this ramdrive (32 and 64bit versions available) Linkage
Its not free but I think its worth the cashola.
Ive created 3 ramdrives and have mounted CACHE, CAPTURE and BIN directories.
Ive used the batch files/tools supplied in this thread (thanks all)
Result: Ive noticed a marked improvement with any session changes (instant screen load), and no lag whatsoever when in combat and there are 100 combat msgs per second popping on screen.
FYI: System spec, AMD 64 x 2 4800, 2Gig ram, 2 x 7900gtx @ 1920x1200 max quality in driver)
Going off on this tangent, on the website I originally linked to there is a link to an "evaluation version." Its unlimited, with the catch that the program will nag you by throwing fake "fatal error" exceptions when using the RAMdrive. However, this can easily be eliminated--control panel/taskbar/customize and then "Always Hide" the fatal error, and it will never show again!
I installed the Pro version and set it to 128MB, and mounted every single EVE directory in it (that is, cache, capture, bin, logs, etc) and set the batch files appropriate ly. Speed? Even better 
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Abbadon
Caldari Pukin' Dogs Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.01.02 02:28:00 -
[145]
Yeah DS, I had a play with the Enterprise version but found that mountvol wouldn't recognise the ramdrive volumes.
The ntfs link prog obviously fixes that but iirc is still limited to one ramdrive only? .
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.02 02:31:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Abbadon Yeah DS, I had a play with the Enterprise version but found that mountvol wouldn't recognise the ramdrive volumes.
The ntfs link prog obviously fixes that but iirc is still limited to one ramdrive only?
As far as I know you can install as many instances of the program as you want. But why would you need multiple RAMdrives?
You can put all the folders on one RAMdrive anyways, so multiple RAMdrives is silly.
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Abbadon
Caldari Pukin' Dogs Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.01.02 02:40:00 -
[147]
Well, the reason I use multiple ram drives is purely from playing around.
I wanted to try one folder at a time to see if there was any noticable difference.
Ive ordered another 2Gig of ram and am planning on putting whole Eve install in ramdrive and i have read that creating 2Gb ramdrives can be problematic so i may have to stick with 2-3 smaller ones  .
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.02 02:47:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Abbadon Well, the reason I use multiple ram drives is purely from playing around.
I wanted to try one folder at a time to see if there was any noticable difference.
Ive ordered another 2Gig of ram and am planning on putting whole Eve install in ramdrive and i have read that creating 2Gb ramdrives can be problematic so i may have to stick with 2-3 smaller ones 
You can't create multiple smaller ones, as hardlinks do not work between drives, so you cannot link EVE to use another drive's STUFF files.
However, there are many RAMDrive programs available that support sizes up to 64GB.
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Abbadon
Caldari Pukin' Dogs Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.01.02 02:53:00 -
[149]
Im sure the ramdisk I linked to does allow "nested" mount points which should allow me to create one for the Eve dir (stuff files and main exe) and then have another linked for Eve\sub dirs.
Also with regard to ramdrives @ 2GB or greater, I believe the problem is more hardware/OS related than ramdisk s/w. .
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Ryysa
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.01.02 03:07:00 -
[150]
Edited by: Ryysa on 02/01/2007 03:09:15 seems that a program which would analyze the ramdrive directiories for MODIFIED entry on files, and keep tabs on the current MODIFIED entries on your harddrive, then automatically updating them would be the way to go.
Make a check every 5 minutes, that way you would have cache backups every 5 minutes, make an artificial write queue... It's really easy to do, too, and wouldn't cause much overhead, since you would only copy over the files that were modified (probably not that much).
Also, i think the portraits aren't all that important, the only important ones are the small ones, which get loaded when you enter local, not the large ones when you do show info.
So basically, what you want to do for optimal speedup/ram comparison is reroute all eve I/O WRITE calls to the ramdrive (pics/logs), put certain files on the ramdrive - machonet folder, small pictures/portraits. And slowly write new/modified files back to the hdd.
There's only so much you can do of the last paragraph without very badly breaking the EULA... I'll poke around :)
P.S. about the 64mb limited driver... that's 10 minutes of work in SoftICE, if even that, to remove the nagscreen and the limit... It is illegal though ;)
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Aeaus
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.02 03:39:00 -
[151]
DS, it seems that I can't get bin to run when on the RamDISK, currently running...
cache capture lib logs res script
I also use a variation of your batch file, especially for the capture folder.
Clear out your capture folder and rename it to capture.org and have that copy to the RamDISK, but on shutdown copy it's contents to capture.auto, so you keep a record of everything you capture, but you don't end up cluttering the RamDISK with files that don't really need to be there.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.02 11:28:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Aeaus DS, it seems that I can't get bin to run when on the RamDISK, currently running...
cache capture lib logs res script
I also use a variation of your batch file, especially for the capture folder.
Clear out your capture folder and rename it to capture.org and have that copy to the RamDISK, but on shutdown copy it's contents to capture.auto, so you keep a record of everything you capture, but you don't end up cluttering the RamDISK with files that don't really need to be there.
Yup, I did that.
I also made the logs folder delete on every shutdown, along with the gamelogs folder 
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Gor Kraon
Minmatar Shadowclan
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Posted - 2007.01.02 22:13:00 -
[153]
As i mentioned before, i like my portrait collection, but it is keeping me from using the RAMdrive for the whole cache folder... Would there be a way to delete all the x_256 portraits but keep the x_64?
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.02 22:31:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Gor Kraon As i mentioned before, i like my portrait collection, but it is keeping me from using the RAMdrive for the whole cache folder... Would there be a way to delete all the x_256 portraits but keep the x_64?
I think you can use * as a wildcard in the copy command to do that.
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Zurtur
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.01.03 22:18:00 -
[155]
Didnt read the whole thread so sry if these question have already been asked.
My cache folder is 152mb with around 15,000 files! MachoNet is 80mb, and Pictures>Gids is another 30mb. What is MachoNet resposible for and what are gids? Can I delete those 2 folders to actually put my cache to ramdrive? Ofc they wouldnt be deleted everytime, only once. This is probably because my EvE client is like a year old, just copyed over from windows to windows and from PC to PC...
Z -
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr When my armor repair's itself, then you can come moan about that.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.03 22:43:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Zurtur Didnt read the whole thread so sry if these question have already been asked.
My cache folder is 152mb with around 15,000 files! MachoNet is 80mb, and Pictures>Gids is another 30mb. What is MachoNet resposible for and what are gids? Can I delete those 2 folders to actually put my cache to ramdrive? Ofc they wouldnt be deleted everytime, only once. This is probably because my EvE client is like a year old, just copyed over from windows to windows and from PC to PC...
Z
You should clear out your cache regularly (every few months). Gids is character portraits, item images, and the like--you can leave that. Try just deleting machonet. It will have to reload the first time you run EVE, but it won't get remotely near 80MB.
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Zurtur
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.01.04 04:10:00 -
[157]
Love it, installed the pro and made it work with 128mb for all my EvE folders, now I just whish I had more ram and could put whole EvE in there 
Now lets head to some combat and see how this thing handles it, and whats the real improvement.
Thx DS
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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr When my armor repair's itself, then you can come moan about that.
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.01.04 04:12:00 -
[158]
i believe gids would be the item icons... not sure though
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.04 04:13:00 -
[159]
Nice tip DS, this really improved the performance of my laptop especially coming out of stations and out of warp.
And its only got 512 megs of ram, so its viable even on lower end machines..... <-----------> MMORPG == Massively Moronic Online Raw Powergaming Grief fests....
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=426616
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Zurtur
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.01.04 05:12:00 -
[160]
3rd reply in this thread, but I have a question.
Everything seems to be running fine and off the ramdrive, however after the game starts up, i get up to my station etc, but all chat windows display after around 20 seconds. I can look around etc, open evemail or anything, but chat windows just arent there, and appear after those 20 seconds (as mentioned). Funny thing is that chat that people have been writting in those 20 sec while my chat windows were still nto displayed is actually there after the windows display, meaning right when they display there is already like 5-10 lines of chat in there.
Any idea what could be causing this? Can post my .bat file, problem may be there as i made it myself.
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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr When my armor repair's itself, then you can come moan about that.
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Rakeris
Legio VIII
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Posted - 2007.01.04 06:10:00 -
[161]
Strange, I had that problem BEFORE I started using a RAMDisk for my eve folders. After I started using it I no longer had that problem.
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Gor Kraon
Minmatar Shadowclan
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Posted - 2007.01.04 10:09:00 -
[162]
Any free working ram drives that can be set to 128MB? I need at least that much for portraits and the rest of EVE.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.04 11:11:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Gor Kraon Any free working ram drives that can be set to 128MB? I need at least that much for portraits and the rest of EVE.
The evaluation version on the original site can be used... its unlimited time and the "nag" can be very easily disabled with a quick trip into the Control Panel/Taskbar Settings/Customize.
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General Tso's
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.05 08:14:00 -
[164]
Just curious is there a program that monitors hardrive activity? so that i could see what files are frequently accessed while playing a game? (so that i could adapt this technique to other games) not all games have a "Cache, bin, and capture" folder all clearly marked :) Thanks for this tip and all the posters who've added their constructive 2 cents. -------- It's great flying Amarr, aint it?
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zibelthurdos
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Posted - 2007.01.05 08:20:00 -
[165]
or alternatly you can get a hybrid drive with nvram
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Copine Callmeknau
The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 10:14:00 -
[166]
hmmm, forums ate my post :o
Anyway, this little trick works like a charm. Only one question, my ramdisk software allows me to choose a file system for the ramdisk. What would be most efficient to use? FAT, FAT32 or NTFS?
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.05 20:03:00 -
[167]
Edited by: Pilk on 05/01/2007 20:06:52 My .bat. It does NOT delete MachoNet. It adds in a couple features, like saved portraits--you can open up Eve, click on all your buddies' names, and just copy all the pictures from %RAMPATH%\Pictures\Portraits into your %EVEPATH%\Saved\Portraits directory. It also (attempts to) detect if more than one copy of Eve is running out of the same RAMDisk directory, and will not run if it detects this. If you get a spurious error as a result, make sure Eve isn't running somewhere and that you hit a key on an old copy of your Eve.bat, then just delete the contents of your %RAMPATH% directory.
It also Should (tm) support cache filenames with spaces in them.
@echo off REM edit line below with your full eve path(no trailing \) set EVEPATH=C:\Program Files\CCP\Eve-Pilk
REM edit line below with your full ramdisk cache folder path (no trailing \) set RAMPATH=S:\pilk\cache
IF EXIST "%RAMPATH%\prefs.ini" ( @echo "RAMDisk already in use!" pause goto end )
@echo copying files, Please wait xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H "%EVEPATH%\cache2" "%RAMPATH%" @echo files copied "%EVEPATH%\eve.exe" cls @echo (only press when you shutdown eve) pause rmdir /s /q "%EVEPATH%\cache2" xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H "%RAMPATH%" "%EVEPATH%\cache2\" rmdir /s /q "%EVEPATH%\cache2\temp" rmdir /s /q "%EVEPATH%\cache2\Pictures\Portraits" rmdir /s /q "%EVEPATH%\cache2\Pictures\Gids" xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H "%EVEPATH%\saved\Portraits" "%EVEPATH%\cache2\Pictures" xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H "%EVEPATH%\saved\Gids" "%EVEPATH%\cache2\Pictures" rmdir /s /q "%RAMPATH%" mkdir "%RAMPATH%"
:end exit
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Damfoose
Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.07 00:29:00 -
[168]
Originally by: DaMiGe
Quote:
@echo off d: cd\ccp\eve @echo copying files, Please wait xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H cache2 s:\cache @echo files copied s: cd\cache @echo removing machonet rmdir /s /q machonet @echo machonet removed D:\CCP\EVE\eve.exe cls @echo (only press when you shutdown eve) pause d: cd\ccp\eve rmdir /s /q cache2 s: cd\ xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H cache d:\ccp\eve\cache2 rmdir /s /q cache exit
no expert, but still  all in one batchfile, works for me 
So how does this turn out if eve is on D:\Program Games\CCP\EVEorig and the ram drive is J:\cache
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.07 21:01:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Damfoose So how does this turn out if eve is on D:\Program Games\CCP\EVEorig and the ram drive is J:\cache
@echo off REM edit line below with your full eve path(no trailing \) set EVEPATH=C:\Program Files\CCP\EVEorig
REM edit line below with your full ramdisk cache folder path (no trailing \) set RAMPATH=J:\cache
IF EXIST "%RAMPATH%\prefs.ini" ( @echo "RAMDisk already in use!" pause goto end )
@echo copying files, Please wait xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H "%EVEPATH%\cache2" "%RAMPATH%" @echo files copied "%EVEPATH%\eve.exe" cls @echo (only press when you shutdown eve) pause :cleanup rmdir /s /q "%EVEPATH%\cache2" xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H "%RAMPATH%" "%EVEPATH%\cache2\" rmdir /s /q "%RAMPATH%" mkdir "%RAMPATH%"
:end exit
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Xtro 2
Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2007.01.07 21:16:00 -
[170]
i havent really looked before but id imagine this would be more usefull if the ramdisk was dynamic like the built in amiga ramdrive, only taking as much memory as the files you placed in it and freeing space when files are deleted.
Does anyone know of a dynamic ram drive system for windows at all? id use one then, but not a fixed size drive, bit of a waste imho.
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Xtro 2
Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2007.01.07 21:17:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Gor Kraon As i mentioned before, i like my portrait collection, but it is keeping me from using the RAMdrive for the whole cache folder... Would there be a way to delete all the x_256 portraits but keep the x_64?
I think you can use * as a wildcard in the copy command to do that.
if nto the xcopy command used to have greater options like wildcard etc.
Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder. |

Sha'Uri Dark
Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.01.07 23:41:00 -
[172]
Ok so I've had a minute to fiddle with this. I managed to get everything working or at least I think I did. I mean it worked a few times and now when I run:
@echo off REM edit line below with your full eve path(no trailing \) set EVEPATH=C:\Program Files\ccp\eve
REM edit line below with your full ramdisk cache folder path (no trailing \) set RAMPATH=R:\cache
@echo copying files, Please wait xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H "%EVEPATH%\cache2" %RAMPATH% @echo files copied @echo removing machonet rmdir /s /q %RAMPATH%\machonet @echo machonet removed "%EVEPATH%\eve.exe" cls @echo (only press when you shutdown eve) pause rmdir /s /q "%EVEPATH%\cache2" xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H %RAMPATH% "%EVEPATH%\cache2\" rmdir /s /q %RAMPATH% mkdir %RAMPATH% exit
I get:
copying files, Please wait File creation error - The data present in the reparse point buffer is invalid.
Unable to create directory - R:\cache File not found - *.* 0 File(s) copied files copied removing machonet The name of the file cannot be resolved by the system. machonet removed (only press when you shutdown eve) Press any key to continue . . .
The only thing I changed in the batch file where the drive letter for the RAMdisk and the cls between the start-up and shut-down phases.
Using the Cenatek RAMdisk driver atm because the one linked in the OP wounldn't work for me, kept saying the .inf file had nothing about my settings/comp in it. The r:\cache folder already exists, isn't read-only and was working. I'm at a lose as to what went wrong where.
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Xtro 2
Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2007.01.08 02:18:00 -
[173]
Edited by: Xtro 2 on 08/01/2007 02:32:52
if this scripts a spankable offense, let me know and ill remove it.
I used the AR Soft RAM Disk 1.20 (only 1 i found liek some other here) I also used that nifty tool that defiler posted, quality find there mate, its very handy indeed, no fiddling around with anything its all done direct, just slap the file into windows\system32 as defiler suggested.
install the junction tool defiler mentions then make 2 files in your root eve folder.
file 1 is called nocopy.txt, this will be in the eve root folder as well and is plain text contain the following, in exactly this format.
.exe .cache .jpg
save the file with just those 3 entries, you can change them later, this dictates what is NOT to be copied from your cache folder to the RAM disk all other material is copied to RAM.
file2 is the another quick dirty batchfile i whipped up, it assumes your RAM Drive is R: if yours is different please amend as you see fit.
RUN-Eve.Bat
@echo off Echo Please Wait, This *May* Take A While... Echo. if not exist cache-orig goto beginsetup :continuesetup Echo Starting EVE-Online (C)CCP... bin\exefile.exe /noconsole goto end
:beginsetup md R:\cache >NUL: md R:\capture >NUL: Echo. ren cache cache-orig >NUL: ren capture capture-orig >NUL: junction cache R:\cache >NUL: junction capture R:\capture >NUL: Echo Cache And Capture Folders Prepared... Echo. Echo Please Wait, Copying Cache To RAM...
REM **** the nocopy.txt file will stop specific files or folders **** REM **** from being copied to RAM, change this as you see fit **** xcopy cache-orig r:\cache /D /E /C /Q /R /Y /EXCLUDE:nocopy.txt >NUL: Echo Complete... Echo. goto continuesetup
:end junction -d cache >NUL: junction -d capture >NUL: ren cache-orig cache >NUL: ren capture-orig capture >NUL: xcopy R:\capture capture /D /E /C /Q /R /Y >NUL: xcopy R:\cache cache /D /E /C /Q /R /Y >NUL: Echo Folders Restored... Echo.
REM **** this part just wipes out the logs i dont like or want **** REM **** as usual remove the lines below if you want to keep logs **** del capture\gamelogs\*.* /F /S /Q >NUL: del capture\chatlogs\*.* /F /S /Q >NUL: Echo Unwanted Logs Deleted... Echo. pause
runs eve from its own folder, waits till the game finishes, then copies the extra things you gained ingame back to its original folder.
RAM contents are left because A) its RAM and wipes on resets, B) the batchfile updates everything needed anyways and C) if you run multiple times between resets, it doesnt take ages as it only copies to RAM new files rather than the whole lot.
It also cleans up unwanted junk from the actual eve folder such as logs and it removes the junction entries it made for the temporary RAM usage.
If this sucks, let me know, if not, er, let me know, it works flawlessly for me, and you dont need the AR ramdrive either, any ramdisk will do, just make sure your drive letter matches mine or you replace my R: with your drive letter.
Enjoy...
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Xtro 2
Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2007.01.08 02:56:00 -
[174]
Link For Plain Sight Example
just shows the 2 files required in the eve folder.
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Sorela
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.11 17:56:00 -
[175]
Well I skimmed somewhat so I'm not sure if this has been mentioned.
I saw discussion of flash drives for this and noticed one thing hadn't been made clear.
While flash drives do have some drawbacks I think getting one and using it specifically for the cache directory is worth trying. Since it seems the main problem is access time a flash drive would excel. If you get one with level-wearing it should last a long time I'd think. Plus if you do only the cache you can get one of the cheaper smaller thumbdrives that will easily handle it.
The ramdrive sounds good but the thought of having to keep it backed up sounds like a headache to me. A flash drive should skirt this problem nicely.
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Ayar Manco
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Posted - 2007.01.13 04:25:00 -
[176]
Very useful tip and useful replies/questions all round.
Question for DS and maybe defiler: you mention the control panel/taskbar & start menu/customize for hiding the nag for the ramdisk. However, this doesn't seem to work...hide the little systray yellow triangle but not the nag screen itself for me?
Here is maybe why, but I'm not sure:
- I'm using Pro evalutation version for RAMDisk
- I'm using the junction program defiler mentioned
- I've got a 512MB ramdisk that I'm using for various things
- I'm using the logon/logoff script approach defiler described to auto-populate and off-load the Ramdisk to/from its backing store when the user logs in and logs out
I think it is due to #4? Because I'm making use of the ramdisk by populating it as part of the login process, it is before the user's taskbar customizations are available. So I get the nag screen (it appears even before the desktop icons and such).
Does that make sense?
Anyway, nice job, I see the benefits with warp arrivals, station exit/enter, and system-jumping. I am using the RAMdrive for a few other things here and there. Defiler's tips for getting the batch files out of the way and making the RAMDrive "just work" and managed in a single place for all ramdisk'd folders is sweet. Although in his logon script you really want to xcopy *first* if you are linking many folders and multiple eves to their various ramdrive locations (makes sense I guess).
Regardless, thanks! 
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Koum Lesaintier
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Posted - 2007.01.21 01:13:00 -
[177]
has anyone used this method while running two acounts from a single client install? does this affect anything in this method?
I use the same client ( simply re-run it)for two seprate accounts not wanting to have a double install on my HD...
also, it seems this pushes the combined settings folder ( 2 acounts ..6 characters 0 to over 300MBS so thi smight present a problem as from what i read there are no ( free) RAM disk programs over 256 MB, right?
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.21 01:14:00 -
[178]
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 21/01/2007 01:10:58
Originally by: Koum Lesaintier has anyone used this method while running two acounts from a single client install? does this affect anything in this method?
I use the same client ( simply re-run it)for two seprate accounts not wanting to have a double install on my HD...
also, it seems this pushes the combined settings folder ( 2 acounts ..6 characters 0 to over 300MBS so thi smight present a problem as from what i read there are no ( free) RAM disk programs over 256 MB, right?
Multiple characters doesn't increase the cache folder size much. Just delete some of your pictures in the portraits folder or the like to decrease the size.
It should work fine if you're running off only one client.
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Jade Noelle
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Posted - 2007.01.22 17:45:00 -
[179]
It's working fine for me. Huge difference in performance.
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Sangheili
Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.26 14:03:00 -
[180]
when i right click and drag to "create junction here" i get an error saying: "failed to create link. Most likely the target file system does not support this feature, or you tried to create a hard link across different partitions." my hard drives are NTFS, and im creating the link from the ram drive (Z) to my C: drive. any ideas? thx in advanced Sangheili
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.01.26 18:12:00 -
[181]
Edited by: Plutoinum on 26/01/2007 18:13:02 Thanks works for me. Now it's time to try out, if it improves something.
Originally by: DaMiGe
Quote:
@echo off d: cd\ccp\eve @echo copying files, Please wait xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H cache2 s:\cache @echo files copied s: cd\cache @echo removing machonet rmdir /s /q machonet @echo machonet removed D:\CCP\EVE\eve.exe cls @echo (only press when you shutdown eve) pause d: cd\ccp\eve rmdir /s /q cache2 s: cd\ xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H cache d:\ccp\eve\cache2 rmdir /s /q cache exit
no expert, but still  all in one batchfile, works for me 
I've also put both scripts into one now, but wasn't happy about the pause command, so I don't start EvE with 'eve.exe' in that script, but with 'bin\exefile.exe /nosplash /noconsole' to avoid that pause-command. Wonder if the eve.exe does anything else than starting exefile.exe with those parameters and also if I'm allowed to do it or not ofc. 
Since I play with two accounts on one client sometimes, I've removed the line that deletes the cache directory in the ramdisk at the end of the script. Otherwise if one client shuts down it might delete stuff from the machonet folder that an other running client still needs later. edit: Just noticed that the same problem might happen with the deletion of the machonet-folder in the beginning, if you start a 2nd client that runs in the same folder. ( Usually I'd so some kind of reference counting to clean-up safely after the last client has shut down or check in that script, if still an exefile.exe is running, but too lazy ... and no idea how to do it in 5 minutes ^^) ______________
Originally by: Patch86 Combat in EVE is non-consensual. Unlike most games, EVE, by design, forces you to be ready for violence everywhere-even hi-sec space.
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Harno
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.02.08 22:14:00 -
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Edited by: Harno on 08/02/2007 22:11:44
Originally by: Sangheili when i right click and drag to "create junction here" i get an error saying: "failed to create link. Most likely the target file system does not support this feature, or you tried to create a hard link across different partitions." my hard drives are NTFS, and im creating the link from the ram drive (Z) to my C: drive. any ideas? thx in advanced
looks like the filesystem on your ram drive is only fat or fat32 then. junctions need ntfs on all drives they involve.
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SSgt Sniper
Gallente Zekarus Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.02.08 23:05:00 -
[183]
Originally by: FireFoxx80 Hardware Ram drive for those of you who have old DDR modules sitting about.
You damn tease, you made me all hot and bothered, until....... I remembered I'd need a slim version of it.  ---------
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Sir JoJo
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.19 14:25:00 -
[184]
tbh i am clueless to all this.. but the part of dropping my entire eve folder on to a ramdisk sounds like a option , but how much easier is that?
and yes i have no clue on **** like this
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.19 14:39:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Sir JoJo tbh i am clueless to all this.. but the part of dropping my entire eve folder on to a ramdisk sounds like a option , but how much easier is that?
and yes i have no clue on **** like this
I haven't found a Windows RAMdisk driver that lets me create a RAMdisk above 96MB; they all crash above that point. There must be one, but I can't find it, or maybe my computer sucks.
My recommendation for a RAMdisk of that size is to use one of the SATA ramdisks; that is, a card that plugs into your computer like a hard disk but holds memory, and uses a backup battery to ensure that the data doesn't die when your computer does. Its like a hundred bucks for a card, and effectively gives you a 4 gigabyte "hard drive" with almost instant data transfer speed.
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Lungorthin
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.19 17:23:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Sha'Uri Dark [...] when I right-click the Cache folder on the ram drive and try to create a link to the Eve install I get:
Failed to create junction. Most likely the target file system does not support this function.
[...]
I get exactly the same error messages. Have you found a solution? or does anyone know what could be the problem?
System: Win2000 and all drives having NTFS
Tech-Help please
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Sir JoJo
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.20 13:22:00 -
[187]
This is probaly me doing something wrong.
First do i have to create that Batcht file one the ramdisk? because if i do it in my eve folder i just get an entire cachefolder more in my eve folder.
i did try and make a bacth file in the ramdisk and it worked somehow .. it actually did copy my cache to the ram disk but all settings arent as they used to be, well tbh its like a completly new installed client. hpw do i change that`? i havent deleted my setting and have backups but i thought it should copy them whit the rest of the cache.
@echo off REM edit line below with your full eve path(no trailing \) set EVEPATH=C:\Programmer\CCP\EVE
REM edit line below with your full ramdisk cache folder path (no trailing \) set RAMPATH=S:\cache
@echo copying files, Please wait xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H "%EVEPATH%\cache2" %RAMPATH% @echo files copied "%EVEPATH%\eve.exe" cls @echo (only press when you shutdown eve) pause rmdir /s /q "%EVEPATH%\cache2" xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H %RAMPATH% "%EVEPATH%\cache2\" rmdir /s /q %RAMPATH% mkdir %RAMPATH% exit
This is the Batch i used.
and do i have to use that batchfile every time i load eve or just the one?
yes i am a nooob at this.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.20 13:24:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Sir JoJo This is probaly me doing something wrong.
First do i have to create that Batcht file one the ramdisk? because if i do it in my eve folder i just get an entire cachefolder more in my eve folder.
i did try and make a bacth file in the ramdisk and it worked somehow .. it actually did copy my cache to the ram disk but all settings arent as they used to be, well tbh its like a completly new installed client. hpw do i change that`? i havent deleted my setting and have backups but i thought it should copy them whit the rest of the cache.
@echo off REM edit line below with your full eve path(no trailing \) set EVEPATH=C:\Programmer\CCP\EVE
REM edit line below with your full ramdisk cache folder path (no trailing \) set RAMPATH=S:\cache
@echo copying files, Please wait xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H "%EVEPATH%\cache2" %RAMPATH% @echo files copied "%EVEPATH%\eve.exe" cls @echo (only press when you shutdown eve) pause rmdir /s /q "%EVEPATH%\cache2" xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H %RAMPATH% "%EVEPATH%\cache2\" rmdir /s /q %RAMPATH% mkdir %RAMPATH% exit
This is the Batch i used.
and do i have to use that batchfile every time i load eve or just the one?
yes i am a nooob at this.
It sounds like you're not setting your paths properly. The batch files should work exactly the same regardless of where you put them, because they should be completely path-independant.
Originally by: Lungorthin
Originally by: Sha'Uri Dark [...] when I right-click the Cache folder on the ram drive and try to create a link to the Eve install I get:
Failed to create junction. Most likely the target file system does not support this function.
[...]
I get exactly the same error messages. Have you found a solution? or does anyone know what could be the problem?
System: Win2000 and all drives having NTFS
Tech-Help please
You need to make the RAMdrive be NTFS.
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Abye
SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.20 13:43:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
You need to make the RAMdrive be NTFS.
Works for me with the RAMdrive being FAT. My Harddisk is NTFS and it needs to be since the junction from the eve directory points to the RAMdrive. ___
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Kazuo Ishiguro
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Posted - 2007.02.20 13:53:00 -
[190]
Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 20/02/2007 13:50:02 http://home.tiscali.be/ir006712/SDB/SDB.htm
DS, would you mind adding a link to that program somewhere in the 1st post of this thread? That program is very convenient for people who prefer not to mess about with batch files.
On an unrelated note, it went beserk a while back and created 10GB of .tmp files before I realised what had happened. Under normal circumstances, it just creates a single zip file and updates that. Users are advised to check the directory it uses every so often, but otherwise it's been perfect. ------
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Liliane Woodhead
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Posted - 2007.02.20 14:09:00 -
[191]
Works all pretty good.
Oh and i do pretty good old handwork. You only have to backup your prefs.ini / Settings-Folder when you made changes and then copy that back when your computer is rebootet ... simply crtl-c ctrl-v for those who have at least 2 fingers.
For others who use and spit out automated scripts: learn how to copy with datetime to prevent waiting times.
P.S.: oh and share this with us :P
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.20 14:14:00 -
[192]
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 20/02/2007 14:13:22 Save this as a batch file in your eve folder in C:\program files\ccp\eve. Should be an all in 1.
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@echo off @echo copying files, Please wait rmdir /s /q cache\machonet @echo machonet removed xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H cache2 s:\cache @echo files copied
eve.exe cls @echo (only press when you shutdown eve) pause rmdir /s /q cache2 xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H S:\cache cache2 rmdir /s /q cache exit
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Rizlent
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Posted - 2007.02.21 00:49:00 -
[193]
Edited by: Rizlent on 21/02/2007 00:46:36 Hi,
I have tried to this this step by step but I am stuck on the create link junction from RAMdrive to Eve directory
Everytime I right click and drag the "cache" folder from the RAMdrive to any folder on any of my HDD's I get this error "Failed to create link. Most likely the target file system does not support this feature, or you tired to create a hard link across partitions". Anyone else had this problem or can offer any suggestions.
All HDD including RAMdrive are NTFS. OS is Win2k and I have installed the NTFS link.
I am using IDE HDD directly on the motherboard and SATA drives.
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Xtro 2
Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2007.02.21 01:03:00 -
[194]
Edited by: Xtro 2 on 21/02/2007 01:00:19 if you have junction problems try my script (doesnt need paths etc) and or junction use (its a dos version another poster suggested and works well) on the previous page(s).
Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder. |

Lungorthin
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.21 04:48:00 -
[195]
Edited by: Lungorthin on 21/02/2007 04:46:29
Originally by: Rizlent Edited by: Rizlent on 21/02/2007 00:46:36 Hi,
I have tried to this this step by step but I am stuck on the create link junction from RAMdrive to Eve directory
Everytime I right click and drag the "cache" folder from the RAMdrive to any folder on any of my HDD's I get this error "Failed to create link. Most likely the target file system does not support this feature, or you tired to create a hard link across partitions". Anyone else had this problem or can offer any suggestions.
All HDD including RAMdrive are NTFS. OS is Win2k and I have installed the NTFS link.
I am using IDE HDD directly on the motherboard and SATA drives.
yes, as mentioned before on this thread I had the same problem.
The solution for me was to use another ramdrive utility called: SuperVolume, RamDisk But this SuperVolume, Ramdisk is not for free. They have a trial version though, which I suggest you try to see if this solves your problem. If it works then at least you identified the source of your problems.
Ramdrive created me always a FAT drive and I got the same error message as you describe Ramdisk allows me to choose what file system I want, NTFS of course, and later on the NTFS Link utility worked well.
P.S.: The link http://www.superspeed.com/desktop/ramdisk.php
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Bozse
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.21 16:31:00 -
[196]
Ok i set this up just as it says, the ram drive is ntfs, my game drive is ntfs, but i still get the error msg when i try to rightklick drag and create the link.
Any sugestions on what can be wrong ?
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Rizlent
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Posted - 2007.02.21 21:47:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Lungorthin Edited by: Lungorthin on 21/02/2007 04:46:29
Originally by: Rizlent Edited by: Rizlent on 21/02/2007 00:46:36 Hi,
I have tried to this this step by step but I am stuck on the create link junction from RAMdrive to Eve directory
Everytime I right click and drag the "cache" folder from the RAMdrive to any folder on any of my HDD's I get this error "Failed to create link. Most likely the target file system does not support this feature, or you tired to create a hard link across partitions". Anyone else had this problem or can offer any suggestions.
All HDD including RAMdrive are NTFS. OS is Win2k and I have installed the NTFS link.
I am using IDE HDD directly on the motherboard and SATA drives.
yes, as mentioned before on this thread I had the same problem.
The solution for me was to use another ramdrive utility called: SuperVolume, RamDisk But this SuperVolume, Ramdisk is not for free. They have a trial version though, which I suggest you try to see if this solves your problem. If it works then at least you identified the source of your problems.
Ramdrive created me always a FAT drive and I got the same error message as you describe Ramdisk allows me to choose what file system I want, NTFS of course, and later on the NTFS Link utility worked well.
P.S.: The link http://www.superspeed.com/desktop/ramdisk.php
Thanks that program worked fine,
There is something wrong with the other RAMdrive proggie that has nothing to do with NTFS/FAT.
Anyways thanks for the link
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Plague Black
4S Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.22 16:12:00 -
[198]
Wow, nice!
Let me just ask one thing. If I get a ram disk cards and install on PC would I be able to install EVE on it and run without making RAMDrives? It's very tempting to have EVE run with lightning speed I must say
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Lungorthin
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.22 17:16:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Plague Black Wow, nice!
Let me just ask one thing. If I get a ram disk cards and install on PC would I be able to install EVE on it and run without making RAMDrives? It's very tempting to have EVE run with lightning speed I must say
most probably yes at least on my HDD the whole EVE folder uses up 1,6 GB so if you have a ram disk card with at least 2G RAM you could do that.
now that would be sweet...
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31i73
BGG
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Posted - 2007.02.22 18:24:00 -
[200]
Edited by: 31i73 on 22/02/2007 21:19:36 Edited by: 31i73 on 22/02/2007 21:18:44 I tried that junction program, and got this:
C:\>junction -s f:\Games\EVE4\cache X:\
Junction v1.04 - Windows junction creator and reparse point viewer Copyright (C) 2000-2005 Mark Russinovich Systems Internals - http://www.sysinternals.com
Error setting junction for f:\Games\EVE4\cache: The data present in the reparse point buffer is invalid.
edit: nvm, I missed the ramdriveprogram first :D but once I had a ramdrive up, it worked nicely, thx.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
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Posted - 2007.02.22 23:35:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Aeaus DS, it seems that I can't get bin to run when on the RamDISK, currently running...
cache capture lib logs res script
I also use a variation of your batch file, especially for the capture folder.
Clear out your capture folder and rename it to capture.org and have that copy to the RamDISK, but on shutdown copy it's contents to capture.auto, so you keep a record of everything you capture, but you don't end up cluttering the RamDISK with files that don't really need to be there.
It's possible to get around this problem by individually symlinking the subfolders within 'capture' - the screenshots folder can easily get too large and is best left alone, but the others are more manageable. You don't need to preserve the folder structure from your EVE directory on your ram drive when doing this, although it helps to keep things tidy.
Additionally, I've found that the stdlib folder can be symlinked without causing any problems. ------
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Sha'Uri Dark
Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.23 01:20:00 -
[202]
Originally by: Lungorthin
Originally by: Sha'Uri Dark [...] when I right-click the Cache folder on the ram drive and try to create a link to the Eve install I get:
Failed to create junction. Most likely the target file system does not support this function.
[...]
I get exactly the same error messages. Have you found a solution? or does anyone know what could be the problem?
System: Win2000 and all drives having NTFS
Tech-Help please
I got around/fixed this by creating the cache folder on the ram drive then going to the eve/cache and creating the link there. I think the problem was that I was trying to link the cache folder on the ram drive to the ...eve/cache folder and not the ...eve/cache folder to the ram drive cache folder. Subtle difference but think that was what the problem was iirc. I'm using the ram drive program by speeddisk now as the false fatal errors where getting damn annoying with the other program. -------------------------------- As a Freelancer...scratch that Originally by: Shar Tegral Stop projecting your out of game beliefs of what society should be upon the rest of us.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.02.23 01:48:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Dark Shikari 1. Hard disks are very slow at loading tons of small files.
Not really. NTFS is not good at indexing directories with many, many files. Modern OS - including Windows - have extensive read-ahead predictive file caches, so EVE cache files are already being read from the disk buffer in most cases. This is in addition to the predictive read-ahead buffers on the drives themselves. Rarely does any bit of data come directly off the magnetic disk and into main system memory. What the RAMdisk buys you is faster access to the directories.
Quote: NTFS is particularly bad--if Windows ran on an optimized file system such as ReiserFS, this would not be as much of a problem.
Maybe ext2fs.sys would give better performance if EVE were installed on a ext2 filesystem under Windows?
This Installable FileSystem driver, by the way, kicks ass. Forget FAT32 as a portable filesystem, ext2 works on Windows now, and also Mac OSX, and is not encumbered by any patents.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
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Posted - 2007.02.23 15:06:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Sha'Uri Dark I'm using the ram drive program by speeddisk now as the false fatal errors where getting damn annoying with the other program.
If you right-click on the Start button on the taskbar, you can open a menu where you can choose to always hide those messages, as others have already pointed out in this thread  ------
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Jonas Umbator
Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.23 23:17:00 -
[205]
anyone know how to convert the RAMDisk to NTFS? When I click properties on the RAMDisk it says it is FAT. If i try right-click format it says that it is unable to format it. I'm assuming this is my problem with getting this to work. My main disk c: is NTFS.
Originally by: Zirth You simply can't fight back, there's privateers in nanophoons, battleships, anything really, with their numbers, experience, and gatecamps, you stand no chance.
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Sha'Uri Dark
Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.24 00:48:00 -
[206]
Edited by: Sha''Uri Dark on 24/02/2007 00:45:42
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Originally by: Sha'Uri Dark I'm using the ram drive program by speeddisk now as the false fatal errors where getting damn annoying with the other program.
If you right-click on the Start button on the taskbar, you can open a menu where you can choose to always hide those messages, as others have already pointed out in this thread 
Wow thanks for pointing that out to me. I would have never thought to read the whole thread and try the things others have done. Even with setting it to never show they would still pop up from time to time. It was annoying, now I don't have to worry about it. Ever. -------------------------------- As a Freelancer...scratch that Originally by: Shar Tegral Stop projecting your out of game beliefs of what society should be upon the rest of us.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
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Posted - 2007.02.24 01:25:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Jonas Umbator anyone know how to convert the RAMDisk to NTFS? When I click properties on the RAMDisk it says it is FAT. If i try right-click format it says that it is unable to format it. I'm assuming this is my problem with getting this to work. My main disk c: is NTFS.
Mine uses FAT and it's working perfectly. I'm currently using the basic extended version, with the fake error messages permanently hidden as detailed above. I believe it's possible to get that one to use NTFS (or FAT32) if you right click on it in Device Manager and select Properties, but I can't say whether that will help.
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Voculus
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.26 07:40:00 -
[208]
No go for me. I: drive, bat this, bat that, ram crap, txt file, CCP-what, 2+2=4, cat's climbing up trees! Frak this! _________________________________________________________
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Zodric
Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.27 13:40:00 -
[209]
With the 50 different ways posted here it's kinda hard to see what works best, so... could somebody with a good understanding of this please sum it up and make a new "guide" using the program and whatever files that do best?
Oh, and was it possible with any program to set ramdisk size to 512MB or more?
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Lungorthin
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.28 20:57:00 -
[210]
Originally by: Zodric
Oh, and was it possible with any program to set ramdisk size to 512MB or more?
Yes, with this one http://www.superspeed.com/desktop/ramdisk.php just this one is not free
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mematar
Turbulent
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Posted - 2007.03.04 01:18:00 -
[211]
Only read the op and Damige post and everything works fine with those two :)
Thanks a lot, this thing gave very nice boost on jumping, docking, undocking etc.
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Kael Denvear
Gallente Reunited O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.03.09 00:19:00 -
[212]
because of the recent machonet changes use this bat file
@echo off REM edit line below with your full eve path(no trailing \) set EVEPATH=C:\Program Files\ccp\eve
REM edit line below with your full ramdisk cache folder path (no trailing \) set RAMPATH=S:\cache
@echo copying files, Please wait xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H "%EVEPATH%\cache2" %RAMPATH% @echo files copied
"%EVEPATH%\eve.exe"
cls @echo (only press when you shutdown eve) pause rmdir /s /q "%EVEPATH%\cache2" xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H %RAMPATH% "%EVEPATH%\cache2\" rmdir /s /q %RAMPATH% mkdir %RAMPATH% exit
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Lister Black
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.03.09 03:14:00 -
[213]
Originally by: Xtro 2 Edited by: Xtro 2 on 21/02/2007 01:00:19 if you have junction problems try my script (doesnt need paths etc) and or junction use (its a dos version another poster suggested and works well) on the previous page(s).
Xtro, I tried your way and it seemed to work fine, except that when it got to the "Staring EVE ONline" part of the batch file, it would just stay there and not actually open EvE.
The weird part is that when I ran the batch file the first time, I had put in the RAMdrive path wrong, and even though the files didn't get copied, EVE started up (with a few errors because the cache files hadn't actually been copied.
So it seems the problem started AFTER the files were successfully copied.
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RaWBLooD
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Posted - 2007.03.09 03:39:00 -
[214]
sounds like a great idea !
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Xtro 2
Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2007.03.10 04:48:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Lister Black
Originally by: Xtro 2 Edited by: Xtro 2 on 21/02/2007 01:00:19 if you have junction problems try my script (doesnt need paths etc) and or junction use (its a dos version another poster suggested and works well) on the previous page(s).
Xtro, I tried your way and it seemed to work fine, except that when it got to the "Staring EVE ONline" part of the batch file, it would just stay there and not actually open EvE.
The weird part is that when I ran the batch file the first time, I had put in the RAMdrive path wrong, and even though the files didn't get copied, EVE started up (with a few errors because the cache files hadn't actually been copied.
So it seems the problem started AFTER the files were successfully copied.
Any ideas?
make sure the script has no trailing spaces etc, and to bugtest, remove the "@echo off" part, this will display to screen each command so you can visibly see where it gets stuck.
Also did you create the 2nd file that contains the exceptions? this should be in the same place as the main batchfile.
In fact gimme a while and ill slap all the files etc into a zip file or something.
Eve-Files Link For RamDrive Script-Extras
If the link vanishes coz its not suitable for eve-files lemme know and ill just mail it to you mate.
Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder. |

Fredou
Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.03.10 18:20:00 -
[216]
question:
ntfs compressed or not?
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.10 18:22:00 -
[217]
Originally by: Fredou question:
ntfs compressed or not?
Compressing the RAMdrive will help you store more, but one problem is that the compression is done after the fact; that is, if you have 80MB of files and you copy them onto a 64MB RAMdrive, it will not have finished compressing them by the time its done, so it won't finish copying the files; only some will be copied.
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Fredou
Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.03.10 18:26:00 -
[218]
Edited by: Fredou on 10/03/2007 18:24:22
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Fredou question:
ntfs compressed or not?
Compressing the RAMdrive will help you store more, but one problem is that the compression is done after the fact; that is, if you have 80MB of files and you copy them onto a 64MB RAMdrive, it will not have finished compressing them by the time its done, so it won't finish copying the files; only some will be copied.
thanks!
i setup a 128m ramdisk so i wont have any problem soon 
and i have more than the eve cache on that 128m, sharing it with mozilla cache (50m)
using Cenatek ramdisk
nice feature: screenshot
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Man1ac
Xenobytes Stain Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.11 06:56:00 -
[219]
Edited by: Man1ac on 11/03/2007 06:54:13 Edited by: Man1ac on 11/03/2007 06:53:10 How do we do it "the russian way", without ugly black windows and totally (well ) automated:
1. Install ramdisk, any 2. Copy all following scripts into the folder where we will run them (EVE folder will do). 3. Edit them, if needed (yes, they are pretty self explanatory). 4. Rename our EVE cache to cache.bak, create a junction pointing to our new cache on a RamDisk (blah-blah) - everything like in previous episodes 
Script "ram-startup.cmd" (will run on computer startup):
Quote:
set MyRamDrive=B: set MyEvePath=C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE
mkdir %MyRamDrive%\cache xcopy /d /c /i /k /r /e /h /y "%MyEvePath%\cache.bak" "%MyRamDrive%\cache"
set MyRamDrive= set MyEvePath=
Script "ram-shutdown.cmd" (will run on computer shutdown):
Quote:
set MyRamDrive=B: set MyEvePath=C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE
xcopy /d /c /i /k /r /e /h /y "%MyRamDrive%\cache" "%MyEvePath%\cache.bak"
set MyRamDrive= set MyEvePath=
Installing our scripts: Start -> run -> gpedit.msc Local Computer Policy -> Computer Configuration -> Windows Settings -> Scripts
Startup -> Add -> browsing where our ram-startup.cmd is -> OK Shutdown -> Add -> browsing where our ram-shutdown.cmd -> OK
Closing Group Policy Editor, because we are done.
"Bonus" for people who never turn their computer off... Script "ram-backup.cmd" (backs up our ramdisk every hour, if EVE is not running): Run it with install parameter, and after that you can forget about it
Quote:
@echo off set MyRamDrive=B: set MyEvePath=C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE for /f usebackq %%v in (`tasklist ^| find /i /c "exefile.exe"`) do set EvesRunning=%%v
if "%1"=="run" ( if %EvesRunning% equ 0 ( xcopy /d /c /i /k /r /e /h /y "%MyRamDrive%\cache" "%MyEvePath%\cache.bak" ) )
if "%1"=="install" ( schtasks /create /sc hourly /mo 1 /ru "" /tn "Backup my EVE cache" /tr "\"%~0\" run" )
if "%1"=="uninstall" ( schtasks /delete /tn "Backup my EVE cache" /f )
set MyRamDrive= set MyEvePath= set EvesRunnning=
p.s. No copyrights, no warranties, use on your own risk 
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CmdrThor
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Posted - 2007.03.12 16:13:00 -
[220]
The only problem with startup/shutdown scripts is that your ramdrive, and thus the required amount of RAM is permanently tied to storing the EVE cache. So if you want to play another game for example, you'll either have to do so with less RAM, or run the shutdown script manually.
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Klikiss
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.03.12 19:03:00 -
[221]
Originally by: General Tso's Just curious is there a program that monitors hardrive activity? so that i could see what files are frequently accessed while playing a game? (so that i could adapt this technique to other games) not all games have a "Cache, bin, and capture" folder all clearly marked :) Thanks for this tip and all the posters who've added their constructive 2 cents.
Check out Process Monitor. It can show you ever single disk access going on, which program is doing it, and what file operations/filenames.
With it you can see that even with EvE set to only download icons on stuff you click on, it'll still download portraits for people and cache stuff for the browser when you are just flying along in warp not clicking anything. Sometimes a few per second. No idea why it is downloading those or what causes it. Yay for ramdisks.
I think I might just buy a copy of RamDisk Plus to have long-term, it's pretty nice/simple.
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Maam
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Posted - 2007.03.12 19:24:00 -
[222]
Edited by: Maam on 12/03/2007 19:42:22
Originally by: General Tso's Just curious is there a program that monitors hardrive activity? so that i could see what files are frequently accessed while playing a game? (so that i could adapt this technique to other games) not all games have a "Cache, bin, and capture" folder all clearly marked :) Thanks for this tip and all the posters who've added their constructive 2 cents.
Just going through this thread, didn't see a reply to you, so ...
I use Filemon as part of my admin's toolkit.
Set relevant filters when it's running, and stop auto scrolling, because windows uses an astonishing amount of file opens & closes even when it doesn't appear to be doing very much!
Edit: LOL ... then someone has replied just above me while I was hunting the link!
By the way, thanks very much Dark Shikari for getting this together. The slow loading of cached items has been driving me nuts recently, especially on warp in on missions.
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Electric Cucumber
Amarr coracao ardente
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Posted - 2007.03.13 16:04:00 -
[223]
what the hell is a batch file and how do i make one?
thanks
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Gaiam
Gallente Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2007.03.13 16:31:00 -
[224]
i didnt run a ramdrive i just shut off my paging file and got a huge increase in load times. 70% faster or so, other people have said the same after shutting off the file. need to have enough physical ram ofc.
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Dave White
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.18 14:56:00 -
[225]
Edited by: Dave White on 18/03/2007 14:55:03 Just did all those steps and it doesn't seem to work. I probably did something wrong with the batch files... Once I boot the startup, it instantly closes again.
F:\Games\EVE is my EVE folder...can someone make the script for me?
Thanks
PS. I already tried doing all the steps over again, and also asked someone if my batch file was looking alright, which it appearantly was
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Imhothar Xarodit
Minmatar Wolverine Solutions Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.19 20:54:00 -
[226]
This is all really nice but remember, that patches are also stored in the cache folder, so if a patch exceeds your ram drives free disk space, automatic patching will not work anymore.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.03.23 20:24:00 -
[227]
I set up a ram drive and everything worked fine at first, but after rebooting my PC, the "cache" folder on the ramdrive disapeared, and every time I try to set it up again, it won't hold. Help?
FLAMING
When you can't think of logical arguments and are too dumb to STFU |

Del369
Caldari Office linebackers Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.25 12:09:00 -
[228]
Originally by: Man1ac Edited by: Man1ac on 11/03/2007 06:54:13 Edited by: Man1ac on 11/03/2007 06:53:10 How do we do it "the russian way", without ugly black windows and totally (well ) automated:
1. Install ramdisk, any 2. Copy all following scripts into the folder where we will run them (EVE folder will do). 3. Edit them, if needed (yes, they are pretty self explanatory). 4. Rename our EVE cache to cache.bak, create a junction pointing to our new cache on a RamDisk (blah-blah) - everything like in previous episodes 
Script "ram-startup.cmd" (will run on computer startup):
Quote:
set MyRamDrive=B: set MyEvePath=C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE
mkdir %MyRamDrive%\cache xcopy /d /c /i /k /r /e /h /y "%MyEvePath%\cache.bak" "%MyRamDrive%\cache"
set MyRamDrive= set MyEvePath=
Script "ram-shutdown.cmd" (will run on computer shutdown):
Quote:
set MyRamDrive=B: set MyEvePath=C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE
xcopy /d /c /i /k /r /e /h /y "%MyRamDrive%\cache" "%MyEvePath%\cache.bak"
set MyRamDrive= set MyEvePath=
Installing our scripts: Start -> run -> gpedit.msc Local Computer Policy -> Computer Configuration -> Windows Settings -> Scripts
Startup -> Add -> browsing where our ram-startup.cmd is -> OK Shutdown -> Add -> browsing where our ram-shutdown.cmd -> OK
Closing Group Policy Editor, because we are done.
"Bonus" for people who never turn their computer off... Script "ram-backup.cmd" (backs up our ramdisk every hour, if EVE is not running): Run it with install parameter, and after that you can forget about it
Quote:
@echo off set MyRamDrive=B: set MyEvePath=C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE for /f usebackq %%v in (`tasklist ^| find /i /c "exefile.exe"`) do set EvesRunning=%%v
if "%1"=="run" ( if %EvesRunning% equ 0 ( xcopy /d /c /i /k /r /e /h /y "%MyRamDrive%\cache" "%MyEvePath%\cache.bak" ) )
if "%1"=="install" ( schtasks /create /sc hourly /mo 1 /ru "" /tn "Backup my EVE cache" /tr "\"%~0\" run" )
if "%1"=="uninstall" ( schtasks /delete /tn "Backup my EVE cache" /f )
set MyRamDrive= set MyEvePath= set EvesRunnning=
p.s. No copyrights, no warranties, use on your own risk 
Have to say this thread delivers :) it's kep me busy for days. I use Eve Launcher to run the gamne in a full window, so had to modify the file a bit, also got one of the other programs (RamDisk 5627 I think, it's using a qsoft driver) and it has the popups (gone now) Everything works great, then i wanted to use the shutdown command (quoted) and it doesn't do anything, it runs fine, but with "0 files copied" after each line, any ideas ? Thanks for starting this though DS, it's excellent, even if you are an evil fixie 
Quote: Whats becoming so obvious these days, is, in this game it's not what you know, it's who you know, how sad 
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Plague Black
4S Corporation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 08:19:00 -
[229]
Ok, so I'm a fanatic so I ordered GIGABYTE I-RAM from some retailer in Hong Kong (use ebay as starting platform) as no one else was selling (!!) and I strapped in with 2GB or RAM for EVE purposes only.
I must be honest, EVE is running better... but far from perfect when you hit crowded systems or fleet battles. I have tweaked prefs.ini as suggested, all of my settings are low, all of my EVE runs from RAMDISK and I still get lagged out just like any other pilot when I:
1) warp to huge fleet and need to load a grid (some pilots without RAMDISK even had it load faster for them, but I was in the top 15%) 2) Jump into crowded system... I still get emergency warps just like all the other pilots regardless of my RAMDISK 2) undock in Jita 4-4 Acctually most of the time my screen will go black and I need to restart my client when in Jita.
So now I have reached maximum of my EVE tweaking possibilities... I guess I'm at CCP mercy now. But I am sure that if I loose a ship due to lag it will be server side only
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FireFoxx80
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.29 11:24:00 -
[230]
Originally by: Plague Black But I am sure that if I loose a ship due to lag it will be server side only
Not the 14.4kb/s satellite link? 
What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass! |

Plague Black
4S Corporation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 11:51:00 -
[231]
Originally by: FireFoxx80
Originally by: Plague Black But I am sure that if I loose a ship due to lag it will be server side only
Not the 14.4kb/s satellite link? 
BUSTED! I'm on 3,6kb/s mate, that's enough for EVE textual version right?
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FireFoxx80
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.29 12:41:00 -
[232]
maybe you should just phone a friend who has a faster connection...
F: "Right, there are some red ships, and I think they are shooting at you" PB: "Are you sure? What's my shields like?" F: "Shields? where's that?" PB: "The little circle thing near the bottom, is it red?" F: "Kinda... like, it's getting more red now" PB: "****, quickly, warp to something" F: "Wha? Whats that?" ....
And so on. Anyway, it might improve things ;)
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SilentSentinel
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Posted - 2007.03.30 12:43:00 -
[233]
This thread is very informative. I did purchase ramdisk software and made a 512mb ramdisk. Everything is working fine. The only exceptions are at gates and some stations. However, I've been getting nice fps.
65-104 fps while in warps
37-74 fps at gates
vid settings are 16 x 12, 85 hz, 6800gt (softmod to Quadro FX 4000)
Cheers
SS
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Lord Hentacle
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Posted - 2007.03.30 13:10:00 -
[234]
Originally by: Plague Black BUSTED! I'm on 3,6kb/s mate, that's enough for EVE textual version right?
Ok, stupid question for the devs....
Since we know they've tinkered with linux a bit, have any of them gotten drunk enough to try compiling the EVE client with AALib, just to say they did?
AALib is, or was, an ascii rendering library for 3D applications. Quake 1 looked pretty amusing with it, even moreso when played on a genuine vt220 terminal.
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Rochel Hakiri
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.30 16:49:00 -
[235]
<3 to Dark Shikari,
Thanks a lot DS!, i installed the ramdrive and put it on the ultimate test (last night), I even got the chance to shoot someone, and could actually control my ship!
thanks again DS!
<3
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Romulus Maximus
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.31 19:11:00 -
[236]
Right, ive had a bash at gettign this to work today. Following the steps of adding new hardware, directing to the .inf. But getting error saying the driver isnt compatable with xp64 :(
So how can i get around this ? Id be very grateful if someone could sort this out for me, as im quite the nub :p
Current RKK Ranking: (AMM15) Ace - 1000 kills
(Fox) targets are lewt, just not yet in can form |

Ticondrius
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.03.31 21:22:00 -
[237]
Running fine on Windows Vista Home Premium. Followed OP directions to the letter.
Only change I made was the batch files. I already had a starteve and cleaneve set of batch files in the eve dir that I link to to run EVE and simply added the needed commands to them.
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Braineater
Minmatar BINFORD Freelancer Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.01 03:48:00 -
[238]
Edited by: Braineater on 01/04/2007 03:51:21 Being a member of Binford Spacetools, I immediately saw the potential of this method to be tweaked for MORE POWER (Arrh! Arrh! Arrh!)
This power comes as the Win32 version of the tar tool, which essentially just combines multiple files into on stream of data, in most cases used as a preparation for compression. Here, it tremendously speeds up the process of copying the files from and to the ramdisk, as the HDD only has to read and write one large file, instead of countless small ones.
Remember: this script isnt even beta, so expect massive screwups. It might even explode a few seconds into operation. If that happens, I'd appreciate you letting me know what happened. Of course, I take no responsibility whatsoever. On the other hand, it might just work. It DOES NOT and WILL NOT work if you use some weird multi-installation-shared-cache-folder-whatever-OMGWTFBBQ-setup.
If you use this script for the first time, make sure the following has been done:
- your "\EVE\cache" folder has been renamed to "cache2", also back it up somewhere else just to be safe
- you created a folder named "cache" at the root of your ramdrive (ex. "z:\cache")
- you have right-click-dragged that folder to your eve folder and created a junction (check the OP on how to do that)
- you have renamed that junction to "cache" (under Vista, you have to use the "ren" command if the Explorer crashes while renaming the junction)
- you have installed Win32-tar from http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/downlinks/tar-bin.php
Here it comes:
@echo off
REM edit line below with the full path to tar.exe set TARBINARY="c:\Program Files\GnuWin32\bin\tar.exe"
REM edit line below with your full eve path(no trailing \) set EVEPATH="e:\games\eve"
REM edit line below with your ramdisk drive letter (WITH trailing \) set RAMDRIVE="z:\"
cd /d "%RAMDRIVE%"
IF NOT EXIST %TARBINARY% ( @echo Path to tar.exe binary invalid. Please check. pause exit )
IF EXIST "%EVEPATH%\cache.tar" ( IF EXIST "%RAMDRIVE%\cache" rmdir /s /q "%RAMDRIVE%\cache" @echo Extracting files, please wait %TARBINARY% -xf "%EVEPATH%\cache.tar" --force-local @echo Files extracted successfully ) ELSE ( IF EXIST "%EVEPATH%\cache2\prefs.ini" ( @echo Copying cache2-folder to ramdisk. This will only be done once. pause xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H "%EVEPATH%\cache2" "%RAMDRIVE%\cache" ) ELSE ( @echo Something went wrong, neither cache2-folder nor archive found! pause ) )
"%EVEPATH%\eve.exe"
REM cls @echo (only press when you shutdown eve) pause @echo Archiving Cache-Folder...
cd /d "%RAMDRIVE%"
%TARBINARY% -cf "%EVEPATH%\cache_new.tar" --force-local cache
IF EXIST "%EVEPATH%\cache_new.tar" ( IF EXIST "%EVEPATH%\cache.tar" del /F /Q "%EVEPATH%\cache.tar" ren "%EVEPATH%\cache_new.tar" "cache.tar" @echo Archiving successful. ) ELSE ( @echo Something went wrong. Old archive has been kept. pause )
IF EXIST "%RAMDRIVE%\cache" rmdir /s /q "%RAMDRIVE%\cache"
exit
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Miter
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Posted - 2007.04.15 06:50:00 -
[239]
Two things:
1) Has anyone found a ramdisk solution for XP x64?
2) A modifcation of what another person recently said: You probably want to remove or move the old patch files from the cache directory and not be copying those around :)
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Heimer
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Posted - 2007.04.15 08:14:00 -
[240]
Hrm. I have found some beta software that has successfully made a ramdisk on my XP x64 system. Linkage to verbose page
Direct linkage to package.
It says it expires on July 1st for Vista users....not sure what happens for XP users.
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SamuraiJack
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.04.15 14:27:00 -
[241]
http://www.rocketdivision.com/download_starport.html
Personal edition does Ramdrives and is free. I use Alcohol anyway so iSCSI Starwind driver is already installed.
http://www.rocketdivision.com/downloads/starport.exe (the link for download they sent me)
I'll update when i hear how to get a personal licence. SJ. CLS Director =-
Leave the damn sig alone or else. |

SamuraiJack
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.04.15 18:30:00 -
[242]
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/FileAndDisk/Junction.mspx
This will also do symbolic links and is free. SJ. CLS Director =-
Leave the damn sig alone or else. |

Effei Gloom
Minmatar eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.26 15:18:00 -
[243]
Edited by: Effei Gloom on 26/05/2007 15:17:13 my workthrough for sinlge account user XP win32 (32MB RAMDRIVE)
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Kua Immortal
RSP Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.05.28 14:50:00 -
[244]
Hi, I just completed the instructions in the OP. Now when I go to log in, the log in bar fills up and then sticks. I.e. I can't get into EvE (and my skill finished!!). Any ideas what I've done? Should I replace the backed up settings folder with the current (new?) one.
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Guillaume LeTestu
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:39:00 -
[245]
Originally by: Kaar
Originally by: Elliot Reid
Originally by: Belautis This sounds like Eve ReadyBoost :). Anyone tried to run eve off a 2 or 4 Gb USB pendrive ? Is it a lot faster ? They've dropped down in price a lot, might be interesting to give that a go ;).
I just stuck EVE on my newly acquired USB2 pen drive and it was smooth. I didn't use my main or alt as they're .0 based and I didn't want to risk it. I had a mess around with an 800k sp alt in low sec and it was good. If I grow the stones I'll try it in a PvP op in .0 
Hmm I think USB2.0 operates around 40mb/s which is slightly slower (i think) than an average SATA drive will get, and definately lower than a 2 disk RAID-0 config.
The 40mb/s is just throughput. Since the cache seems to cause a problem with many small files, it's much more likely that random access is the real culprit. Your USB2.0 flash drive has it all over any spinning platter hard drive as far as seek and rotational latencies go. (They have NONE!)
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Keira Fordring
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.16 21:47:00 -
[246]
Edited by: Keira Fordring on 16/06/2007 21:50:05 Edited by: Keira Fordring on 16/06/2007 21:49:30 Just in case this thread isn't dead yet...
If anyone considers themselves a "tech. head" and would like to reinvent the wheel, there is a nice discussion of source code to create your own NTFSlink program in C++ here:
http://www.codeproject.com/w2k/junctionpoints.asp
Also a quick note, Microsoft recommends NOT DELETING junction points through Windows Explorer since this will most likely delete the contents of the target directory as well as the link.
Quote: Never delete a junction point by using Explorer, a del /s command, or other file system utilities that walk recursively into directory trees. These utilities affect the target directory and all subdirectories.
Microsoft: How to create and manipulate NTFS junction points
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VeNT
Minmatar Freelancer Union Unaffiliated
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Posted - 2007.06.17 12:56:00 -
[247]
not sure if this would be any faster (I'm not 100% on speeds) but if you've got a good fast USB2 memory stick maybe you could mount it at the ccp/eve/cashe folder (using windows disk manager, change the mount point to a folder rather than drive letter) or maybe one of those tasty IDE/SATA to CF converters (1-2GB CF cards are cheap atm)
this may or may not work as I've yet to try it out
-------------------- Eris; The Greek goddess of Chaos, Discord, Confusion and Things You Know Not Of. |

MellaRinn
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.06.19 23:24:00 -
[248]
Edited by: MellaRinn on 19/06/2007 23:40:40 Shameless bump for the new Revelations batch file (I am not sure if it works yet): {Original lifted from around page 3}
Quote: @echo off REM edit line below with your full eve path(no trailing \) set EVEPATH=H:\Games\EVE
REM edit line below with your full ramdisk cache folder path (no trailing \) set RAMPATH=S:\cache
@echo copying files, Please wait xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H "%EVEPATH%\cache2" %RAMPATH% @echo files copied @echo removing machonet rmdir /s /q %RAMPATH%\machonet @echo machonet removed "%EVEPATH%\eve.exe" /end /LUA:OFF cls @echo (only press when you shutdown eve) pause rmdir /s /q "%EVEPATH%\cache2" xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H %RAMPATH% "%EVEPATH%\cache2\" rmdir /s /q %RAMPATH% mkdir %RAMPATH% exit
Copy the thing in the quote to a file: yourfilenamehere.bat and run, have fun :)
Any comments from the cmd gurus around would be greatly appreciated :)
EDIT: I have managed to get it working fine with this .bat file :)
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rotweiler
Gallente United Warriors Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:19:00 -
[249]
since eve's cache folder location has been changed, does that mean we need to modify one of the batch files ?
I been running eve through ramdisk for so long, i never wanna go back >.<
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Sleepkevert
Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:23:00 -
[250]
Yes... you will have to... I'm going to modify my bat file somewhere this afternoon when i got the time... i'll post it here when i'm done, and try and make it as universal as possible.
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MellaRinn
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.06.20 11:06:00 -
[251]
Originally by: rotweiler since eve's cache folder location has been changed, does that mean we need to modify one of the batch files ?
I been running eve through ramdisk for so long, i never wanna go back >.<
just use the code above I gave (only difference is the parameters for eve launch)
they willensure your cache folder stays where it was :)
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Dirk Fallows
Caldari Galley-la
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Posted - 2007.06.22 20:18:00 -
[252]
This allows you to have multiple installations of the eve client without any settings collisions.
The sysinternals Junction command is needed as well the script below. Junction can be found at http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/FileAndDisk/Junction.mspx
Please note that this script can NOT handle a client called "Eve" (ie, default installation). It MUST to be renamed to something else, for example "Eve.Tranq".
Usage:
- Download and copy the junction.exe in the zip folder to the same folder as you save the script in. For example C:\program files\CCP\
The script can be saved under any name ending with .bat. I'll call it Run_eve.bat
- If the path to your eve installations isn't correct, please change the EveDir variable below.
- Modify the shortcut that runs your eve installation to point to the script. Easiest way is to simply make a shortcut of the script.
- Make a copy of the shortcut to "Eve(sisi)" or something.
- Modify the arguments of the shortcuts. The argument that you add will be the name of the folder that you want to run. In my C:\Program Files\CCP\ directory that's "Eve.Sisi" (for the sisi client) and "Eve.Tranq" (for the tranquility client) Example: <<"C:\program files\CCP\Run_eve.bat" Eve.Sisi>> for the sisi, and <<"C:\program files\CCP\Run_eve.bat" Eve.Tranq>> for the tranquility one (no << >> of course)
- Rename the old Eve cache|settings directory from "Eve" to "Eve.Tranq" if you have one (The script will complain about trouble running the junction.exe if there already is one, and tell you to delete it)
- Doubleclick one of the shortcuts.
@echo off REM Change the following two to work on your installation of windows. Defaults should be good for most people set EveDir="C:\Program Files\CCP" set ApData="%USERPROFILE%\Local Settings\Application Data" if "%1" == "" GOTO END_BADLY
junction.exe -d %ApData%\CCP\Eve mkdir %ApData%\CCP\%1 junction.exe %ApData%\CCP\Eve %ApData%\CCP\%1 if %errorlevel% LSS 0 GOTO :END_BADLY2 %EveDir%\%1\Eve.Exe
GOTO END :END_BADLY echo "You need to specify an argument for the bat, such as 'Sisi.EVE' or 'Tranq.EVE'" pause GOTO END :END_BADLY2 echo "Error running junction. Please check that" echo "a) junction.exe exists (preferably in the same directory" echo "b) Try deleting the %ApData%\CCP\Eve directory" pause :END
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Morgina
Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2007.07.04 11:35:00 -
[253]
Hmm ... I almost had it working.
Using AR Soft RamDisk, set for 256Mb, but couldn't get it to become NTFS formatted, so obviously, the junction failed to create, EVE saw no cache folders and just created new ones.
If someone has figured out how to get the AR Soft RamDisk to become available as a drive, and with NTFS filesystem, please post an update here.
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Supreme Biovizier
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Posted - 2007.07.04 13:14:00 -
[254]
Originally by: Dark Shikari i: (DRIVE LETTER GOES HERE) cd .. cd .. cd .. cd .. cd ..
OMFG DS you disappoint me. "cd \" anyone?
Apart from that, great guide.
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Loedem
Minmatar eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.07.15 21:58:00 -
[255]
I read through the first few pages but didn't see it mentioned. Has anyone tried the RamDISK that comes with Windows?? (Start/Control Panel/Add Hardware/Add from list/Ram drives/) You need to add the controller, then volumes...built in, beats having to pay for it...though untested it appears.
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Digital Anarchist
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Posted - 2007.09.16 12:52:00 -
[256]
Did anyone do a benchmark to see what part of eve is more I/O intensive?
I'm thinking of putting the texture files on the ramdrive as well. But I have to buy a new stick of RAM  Get your fix today |

Digital Anarchist
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Posted - 2007.09.18 15:01:00 -
[257]
Is it possible to link individual files (not folders) in the same manner? I don't have enough ram to fit eve, but I have enough spare space to use the textures. Get your fix today |

Digital Anarchist
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Posted - 2007.09.19 08:10:00 -
[258]
Originally by: SamuraiJack http://www.rocketdivision.com/download_starport.html
Personal edition does Ramdrives and is free. I use Alcohol anyway so iSCSI Starwind driver is already installed.
http://www.rocketdivision.com/downloads/starport.exe (the link for download they sent me)
I'll update when i hear how to get a personal licence.
Cool, it works for me.
You get a license with the same e-mail they send you.
Hm... I still can't figure out how to use file symlinks. It works for folders, but I need files. I can use up to 1Gb of ram for a ramdrive, but I'd need somewhere in the vicinity of 2 to fit all of Eve on it. So I just want to put the textures and the cache in the RAM. Get your fix today |

John Criten
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.11.06 08:44:00 -
[259]
Edited by: John Criten on 06/11/2007 08:44:15 here is a FREE yes FREE ramdisk prog that has no size limitation other then how much ram you have spare to use. Linkage
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Melathonis Meradin
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Posted - 2007.11.06 10:25:00 -
[260]
Great topic is great!
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Solbright altalt
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Posted - 2007.11.06 11:52:00 -
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Hopefully this hack won't be needed any longer if the new feature does it's job right.
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Moghydin
Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.11.06 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: Moghydin on 06/11/2007 13:43:53
Originally by: Morgina Edited by: Morgina on 04/07/2007 12:56:14 Edited by: Morgina on 04/07/2007 12:37:35 Hmm ... I almost had it working.
Using AR Soft RamDisk, set for 256Mb, but couldn't get it to become NTFS formatted, so obviously, the junction failed to create, EVE saw no cache folders and just created new ones.
If someone has figured out how to get the AR Soft RamDisk to become available as a drive, and with NTFS filesystem, please post an update here.
Edit Man, this would be soo ******* simple on OS X, since there's whole BSD world available to us ... CCP please make a version of EVE that can run on OS X natively!!!!
Edit Nevermind, OS X even has a better filesystem, so none of all this bllx would be needed :P
I have the same problem. I did everything as was described. Then I installed the program called "Junction Link Magic" and it can't create the junction, the program DS mentioned in the original post also refused to create the junction, because the RAM drive was for some silly reason created with FAT filesystem. When I try to convert the filesystem to NTFS, Windows asks for volume label and I have no clue what the hell it is as everything I enter results in "volume label incorrect" message and convert operation aborts. Any ideas?
EDIT:
Never mind. Sorry for being a n00b
It's usual convert procedure, and volume label was "Ramdisk". Silly me...
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Nidus
Caldari The JORG Corporation Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.11.10 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: Nidus on 10/11/2007 11:32:45 Moghydin, if you are still interested in running a ram drive you could try "Gavotte Ramdisk" posted somewhere earlier in this thread (edit: its posted on this page, and i was looking at all the other pages.. sorry John Criten), tough i can not remember where and by who. (download)
And then add
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@echo formating Z: to NTFS REM change the drive letter (here, Z:) to that of your ram drive FORMAT /FS:NTFS /FORCE /Q /V:RamDisk /A:512 Z:
on the start of your .bat file to quick format the ram drive to NTFS, or create an entirely new .bat to format the drive for you (although, it barely takes any time to format a 128mb ram drive) ------ But has there been posted any links to a free program that allows for unlimited size NTFS ram drives without having to format the drive every time you reboot? If not, is there any way to keep the format command in the same .bat as the "eve launch" while still only formating the first time you run it pr reboot? ------------------- (::) - This is a cookie with chocolate chips, and it's mine! If you disagree; these are my teeth ';..;'
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CCP Explorer

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Posted - 2007.11.10 12:44:00 -
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The EVE client has files in three different locations (assuming default setup):
- Program: CSIDL_PROGRAM_FILES\CCP\EVE
- Cache/settings: CSIDL_LOCAL_APPDATA\CCP\EVE
- Capture/logs: CSIDL_PERSONAL\EVE
The current EVE client is mostly CPU and memory bound and benefits most from faster CPU and more memory. In the EVE Online: Trinity expansion then a good graphics card will matter a lot since much more of the work is being offloaded to the graphics card than before.
Regarding perceived stuttering then you get most bang for your buck by putting the program folder onto a RAM drive. The stuttering is mostly caused by disk I/O reading textures and models from the .stuff files in the program folder, not by the client reading the cache. Defragmenting the hard drive also helps both for I/O from the program files and the cache.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
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prsr
Gallente JuBa Corp RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.10 13:00:00 -
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I'm using a ramdisk script on the linux client and it's simple to setup, but most Linux users should probably check their /etc/fstab file to see if the filesystem where Eve resides has "noatime" in it's options.
So, for example, this: /dev/md1 / ext3 defaults
Should become this: /dev/md1 / ext3 defaults,noatime
I can post the ramdisk script too but i'm not so convinced it helps that much. -- .sig apathy ftw |
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