I think the two main problems with null incursions are that they spawn randomly so it is hard to maintain interest in them.

Probably, but I've lost track of many of these threads. Thanks for posting the spreadsheet analysis. It looks like if we use an ISK/LP conversion ratio of 2000 (which seems a tad on the high side), 80m ISK/hour is achievable. On the low side, 55m ISK/hour. So a happy medium is probably somewhere in the middle around 67.5m ISK/hour.

SOE probes are also selling at very good rates at the moment.

2000 ISK/IP good?

Just to do a quick comparison, I ran Gone Beserk with a non-SoE 0.5 agent. The mission rewards were 143500 (12%) lower. It took me 00:05:48 start to finish, which was shooting everything. I had a faster mission warp speed but arguably my drone, gunnery and other applicable skills are not 100% (mostly IV with some V). I earned 1689 LP which is 143 (8%) less. I will be lucky to get a 1000 ISK/LP conversion with a non-SoE agent. I didn't blitz it - but this will yield higher bounties. No salvage.

Mission rewards: 1.08m ISK
LP rewards: 1.69m ISK (1000 ISK/LP)
Bounties: 1.68m ISK
Grand total: 4.45m ISK / 00:05:48, or 44.5m ISK/hour if I continue at this rate.

A few observations. First, unless you use a SoE agent in the perfect system, you're never going to break 50m ISK/hour blitzing or even just running L3s with the Machariel fit. Second, you cannot keep up a blitz pace indefinitely. At some point you're going to start burning out, making mistakes (or reading forums) which will impact your ISK/hour. There is a lot more micromanagement involved in blitzing or running missions as opposed to shooting battleship spawns in anomalies. Third, the ISK/LP conversion is the real wild card here. The 80m ISK/hour threshold should be considered an upper limit under ideal conditions with perfect skills and favorable mission conditions. You start with 80m ISK/hour potential and go down from there. How fast depends on you.

Thanks Arthur for taking the time to gather REALISTIC isk per hour figures on mission blitzing. What the high inflated numbers don't explain is that those figures are only achievable under optimal conditions and with only running with SOE.

Also not mentioned is that mission blitzing is very tedious and hard work. Not everyone is gonna have the temperament to maintain a steady mistake free blitz run over a long indefinite period of time. I tried to blitz missions just to see the isk per hour comparison and was totally exhausted within 2-3 hours, it's just not as sustainable as regular mission running. So the high inflated isk per hour mission blitzing is mostly only achievable in bursts, not continuously non-stop all day long.

Thanks Arthur for taking the time to gather REALISTIC isk per hour figures on mission blitzing. What the high inflated numbers don't explain is that those figures are only achievable under optimal conditions and with only running with SOE.

Not only are they realistic but right now they are based upon 2000isk/lp, the current going price of combat probes is 2400 so you can be earning more that 90mil/hr doing level 3 missions. 2000 isk/lp can also be found in a surprisingly large number of factions too.

How exactly is ISK/LP being calculated here? I assume any Faction store ISK cost is deducted from the selling price before calculating ISK/LP?a

Somewhat off-topic (but still related), when you run in a SoE system your likelihood of being ganked just increased 10-fold (if not more).

As previously indicated (as as the numbers demonstrate), 2000 ISK/LP is unrealistic and 2400 ISK/LP is grossly exaggerated.

Chances of a t2 fitted battleship getting ganked are as close to nil as you can get.



Your numbers are wrong, the tools we are using are indeed accurate hence why they get used.

You don't need to use tools. I have station trading alts in Amarr, Dodixie, Ren and Jita and I can tell you that his numbers aren't that far off.

He is 110,000 isk per unit off.

No you can't go by what they are selling for because it shows I am wrong in a way I cannot argue against.

LP rates change based on player demand. Market economy and all that. What might be high one week, can be low the next. For all we know someone could have been saving up for months to buy up all the probes and launchers, and the resell them at a higher price. So stop niggling on a wildcard in the equation.

The only thing in PVE that stays constant is the bounty.

SOE prices have been steady for years.

Oh? Show proof.

I think it is about time for you so show some proof. I have posted guides, fits, graphs and endless statistics, now its your turn.

I don't have to. Everyone knows prices fluctuate in a market economy. EVE is no different. You stated that the price has been steady for years. You are the one stating something as fact. Not I. Burden of proof is on you.

No dice, prove what you are saying for once.

I don't think you necessarily need a Machariel, though. A HML Tengu with FoF missiles would probably suffice (warp speed with a Gravitational Capacitor will be comparable), and you can run a passive fit for the most part. 600 applied DPS with implants, no micromanagement and a fast align time would seem to meet the requirements (you're not going to be getting 1000+ DPS with a Machariel at maximum range anyway).

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You are the dishonest one here claiming things that are easily verified as false.

Markets move up and down and the numbers you claim are so far off base we can safely discard them.

FoF tengu wont get close to a mach.