This is Jenn aSide's best effort.

Seriously, what impact does a few mission blitzers making more ISK have? I'm quite sure it's not Anize's fault that Plex have quadrupled in price. Or that the price of pirate battleships have plummeted to near T1 levels. Maybe it is unbalanced. But there's other things that need to be looked at.

I stopped watching that video when people started pissing on each other.

The stupid part of Jenn's argument is that the game is already set up exactly as he wants it to be. You can make X amount of isk blitzing lvl 3s and 4s in High-Sec and you can make exactly 2x the same amount doing the same in Null Sec.

The argument comes in that Jenn thinks Null Sec is more risk filled than High-Sec, and no amount of data is going to change his mind.

So if you want to make 2x the High-Sec income and then some, run Mordus lvl 4s in 5Z or one of the pirate factions. The LP is double that of a High-Sec system and the LP is worth more. LP makes up more than 65% of the mission income per hour, so voila... Risk vs Reward.

Same goes for Incursions. You can have more in fleet, with little chance of being contested and make more per site in Null-Sec. Do what you preach. Run the content in Null that is already available that makes far more than you could ever hope to in High-Sec with the same content.

I can't help it you are a coward.

This is what happens when you brag about how much you make in hi-sec with your blitzing. You provoke null crybabies like Jenn to start whining about nerfing hi-sec income blah blah.

Jealousy is an ugly thing.

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How does one be a coward in a video game? Liar, sure, coward, not possible.

NPC null agents are pretty nice. notice I'm not talking about them Talking about them is a dodge, because it's an attempt to defelct from the actual issue. Same with null incursions, how stupid would a group have to be to invade someone to run PVe sites that pay like 13 or 14 mil per site per pilot than high sec ones.



I do get where the opposition comes from (we're all human of course), we see it all the time in real life. In some cases it's self interest overpowering reason (ie your wallet is dependent on you not understanding). In other cases it's ideology overpower reason, some people are ideologically opposed to the kinds of people who 'live' outside high sec, and see any attempt to address balance issues as an attempt to strengthen people they don't like / weaken people they do like, or both.

Both of the above are crazy as Rosie O'Donnell. We.are.talking.about.a.video.game. We are talking about measurable issues in that video game. We are talking about things you can experience for yourself. And yet you people would rather obfuscate, lie, misdirect. In a discussion about imaginary money in a game with imaginary spaceships.

I find that in-freaking-credible. I've seen worse in real life, but that's real life where real stakes are involved. But this is pretty out there.. If it makes you happy to beleive what you belive about the game we're talking about, I won't stand in your way, but I mean really, i think some of you might actually need some help lol.

Good Day, sirs.

Says the person who approaches CCP employees to speak to them in person about these issues. Srsly?

I simply don't understand this thinking. No one wants to attack incursion runners. They aren't doing anything wrong, and we (folks like me) are among them. They aren't breaking any rules.

The activity they do is the unbalanced thing. That's a CCP issue and they need to fix it (not destroy it). I think the thing underlying the idea about "just go attack them" is the idea that jealousy is a motivation here.

It is not. My wallet is filled with incursion isk and my journal has 1 mil CONCORD LP that i haven't sold yet (I sell on the chat channel set up by TVP btw). I'm simply observing a broken thing and talking about how to fix it, again no one wants to attack incursion runners (or FW missions runners, or high sec mission blitzers).

Technically you can make more isk in nullsec running missions than you do in hisec running missions. As long as you are unhindered/uninterrupted you will make a considerable more amount of isk running missions in nullsec. You can easily test this by logging onto to SISI and using the OPs method at a nullsec mission hub.

Try it and post how much isk you make.

It works in NPC null too btw; I've been messing around with it for a small while. If you think 0.5 sec burner missions give out tons of LP, take a look at 0.0 sec burner missions.
Also, you don't have to copy-paste anti-burner fits blindly. The "Unified Daredevil" with 3 armor-repair rigs runs every single "Anomic Agent" mission perfectly well. It has the same completion time for the Daredevil Burner as the Hawk, and is only ~45 seconds slower than the Wolf against the Cruor.
It's cool to see that someone independently came up with almost the exact same Polarized Garmur blitzing fit as me though.

Depends on the area, some places are more camped than others. L4 missions are usually 1 jump maximum with the better paying mission usually in the same system. Once you get high enough standings you can decline essentially any mission you want.

Look at PFP-GU for an example. I made my first 1bil blitzing missions there with a 6000 isk:LP ratio (back in 2013). Two L4 security agents and it's literally empty 22/7. In the ~3 months I spent there I only ran into two gate-camps, and only lost 1 ship (was trying to MJD-kite an Arazu).
There's better examples of course, but that's a decent-enough one.

Some quotes from a different place where I'm sharing my guide that might be applicable.



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there are no mission agents in the vest bulk of null.

There are no lvl 4 security agents in the vast bulk of High-Sec either... and 97% of the agents in High-Sec don't pay out enough in the right kind of LP to bust what you can make mining in Null.

Most LP is worthless, most mission agents in High-Sec are worthless. There are very few worthless agents in Null.

By the way, there are well over 200 Level 4 Security agents in Null sec. So you are pretty much wrong anyways.

Feel free to tell us where the level 4 agents are located in dek

1. I did mention in a previous post that Sov Null needed a way to add mission agents.
2. I also mentioned that mission rewards for the mission agents in nullsec are better than their hisec counterparts.
3. I also mentioned that if you can run missions without interruption in null, then the payout is better.

Basically if you can replicate the same parameters in nullsec as you have in hisec, then the nullsec payout would be better due to the higher mission rewards. Unfortunately, you can't; which is why comparing L4 mission income with nullsec ratting is no comparison. Now, compare hisec ratting with nullsec ratting, and I think you will find the payout is way better in nullsec.

To summarize, you are comparing 2 different activities; not the same activity.

In an ideal sandbox game things like SOV null should have no ISK faucets at all just really good drops of loot that can be sold off to the SOV holder (who replaces the NPC corp as mission giver more or less) or even shipped back to hisec at a huge profit.

I am not 100% seeing the logic of "move to null and get out of the PvE grind" and "null needs more PvE ISK faucets" at the one and same time.

You're not seeing the logic because you are taking things different people are saying and acting like it's coming from one source. People in null are individuals with different ideas about things, not some monolithic hive mind, no matter what people think of Goons lol.

BTW, null DOES NOT need more or bigger isk faucets, people in null do not need more income. There is too much 'income' in this game now, and the new 'Tribute' system is more evidence of the fact that CCP doesn't really know how to provide pve rewards (point blank, they are a sandbox pvp company, look at how all the DEVS who used to be players are PVP players).

ALL of PVE in EVE needs to be examined and in some cases reformed. I've said that to you before but for some reason you don't remember that, you keep thinking people need more isk or something..

Once again, not understanding.

Does all of pve need rebalancing? Is all of eve broken except null pvp? No. What has been said is that null income would exceed hisec income, except for having to avoid all the other people in null. Maybe pvp is broken, maybe it needs to be made more difficult to catch people in null (Jenn before you misunderstand again, I don't actually think that, just making a point).

The problem is not that people can make lots of isk in hisec in a very extreme set of circumstances. The problem is that you can't effectively do it where you have chosen to live because of the people you have chosen to live with. It's like going to McDonald's and complaining that they don't use the colonels secret recipe.

No the problem is very much that PVE in all areas of space aside from WH is a mess. Over the years CCP have nerfed, buffed and added pve content without any thought of the overall picture which has resulted in a rather large game imbalance. Ratting in null sovs anoms using a subcap under the very best of circumstances will net you around the same as a mach blitzing level 3 missions in highsec. Greed is blinding people to the problems.

So if CCP nerfs incursions payout and make hi-sec missions unblitzable would you be satisfied??