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Ovaron
Amarr The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 02:21:00 -
[1]
From today, Dusk and Dawn are in state of war with ISS!
Have Fun |

The Armin
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.05 03:13:00 -
[2]
Edited by: The Armin on 05/01/2007 03:14:25 I endorse this product and/or service. 
Sell your shares now !!1
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Orree
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.05 03:27:00 -
[3]
Interesting turn of events, to say the least.
Best wishes to D2. 
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Farham
Gallente AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.01.05 03:28:00 -
[4]
Bassets are like the coolest dogs.
Oh and very interesting topic by the OP.
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Tomas Ysidro
Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.05 03:35:00 -
[5]
Posting in what will probably be an epic thread.
GL ISS
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XoPhyte
Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.05 03:38:00 -
[6]
Wow, interesting. Why all the hostility to ISS?
I will have to say, GL ISS on this one!
--- Siggy Starts Here---
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Most people in eve would rather win than have a good fight 
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Nethel
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.05 03:40:00 -
[7]
More fun in the South? ------
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jbob2000
Gallente KIA Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.05 03:42:00 -
[8]
-_-
/me forsees a contract in the near future
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Ice Breaker
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.05 03:42:00 -
[9]
Edited by: Ice Breaker on 05/01/2007 03:42:43 CCP could do with introducting derivatives in the contract system, put options amongst others 
Good luck to D2, ISS, and all the other alliances soon involved.
Ice.
In Rust We Trust |

Quivox Alkar
ORUS Corporate United Corporations of Eve
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Posted - 2007.01.05 03:42:00 -
[10]
uh?  Is D2 just looking for some action? Or is there some dark plot in here? Not expecting this tbh
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War Bear
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.05 03:47:00 -
[11]
Very interesting turn of events. 2007 starting off with a proverbial bang. Good luck to all parties involved. May your clones always be updated and may the server gods shine on you. Hail Eris.
No matter where you go, there you are. |

DeathGrip
Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.05 03:50:00 -
[12]
Leave me some targets, they want to keep running there mouths but they always seem to be in pods by time i get to them ;(
AXE - Where the men work hard and the girls want to play. |

Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.05 03:51:00 -
[13]
Originally by: Quivox Alkar uh?  Is D2 just looking for some action? Or is there some dark plot in here? Not expecting this tbh
Action? Versus ISS? With their only fulltime PvP corp tied up in Catch? I've never SEEN such bravery!
lol
Myn
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 03:54:00 -
[14]
Nice outpost, we'll take it? 
Blog
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liquidism
Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 03:54:00 -
[15]
\o/ im in a bob thread!
no. wait... 
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EighthDay
Amarr Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.01.05 03:56:00 -
[16]
Well that was unexpected. I hope you all enjoy the fights.
Explosion Matrix: Our Name Makes No Sense |

Oreh Anavrin
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 03:56:00 -
[17]
I wholeheartily endorse this post, YARRRR 
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Cattraknoff
Caldari Sha Kharn Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.05 04:00:00 -
[18]
Edited by: Cattraknoff on 05/01/2007 04:00:15 Hey, page 1 of an impending flamewar...
Go D2. Keeeel them 
EDIT: Note to self: Change my sig...
can tell I havn't posted in a while 
This is my new signature....
wewt. |

KOTH Fluf
Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.05 04:02:00 -
[19]
Good luck gentlemen, and may the server gods be with you.
Fluf CEO Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Montaire
Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 04:04:00 -
[20]
Revenge is a dish best served cold.
Very cold, in space.
(Couldnt find a good Kahn pic)
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Arrgs
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 04:05:00 -
[21]
Fun fun.
My first video!
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Gen Maton
Ars Caelestis Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 04:05:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Blacklight Nice outpost, we'll take it? 
It does appear that D2 has called "dibs".
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matty01
The Priory
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Posted - 2007.01.05 04:06:00 -
[23]
Edited by: matty01 on 05/01/2007 04:06:09 gl err... d2 __________________________
member of the "post with your main" commitee |

DeathGrip
Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.05 04:08:00 -
[24]
If any D2 happens to find out where Lilan Kahn hangs out let me know please. Also if you get a few corpses of him/her let me know. May be willing to help with some of the war efforts since I can never seem to find him in ISS space, not sure if its a time zone thing or what.
AXE - Where the men work hard and the girls want to play. |

Raven03
Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2007.01.05 04:10:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Mynas Atoch
Originally by: Quivox Alkar uh?  Is D2 just looking for some action? Or is there some dark plot in here? Not expecting this tbh
Action? Versus ISS? With their only fulltime PvP corp tied up in Catch? I've never SEEN such bravery!
lol
Myn
Oh the irony, for once i have to say Go D2
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CHAOS100
Momentum. Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 05:38:00 -
[26]
Let have fun 
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Amthrianius
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 05:39:00 -
[27]
Originally by: liquidism \o/ im in a bob thread!
no. wait... 
not yet
However good luck in your first act of this Winter ---------------
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Admentus Cor'vion
Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.05 05:58:00 -
[28]
Originally by: KOTH Fluf Good luck gentlemen, and may the server gods be with you.
Fluf, you smarmy old bastard. Pull your head out of those naked girls who swing there half naked derriers in front of you while you DJ and come and pay us a visit.
EVERYBODYS DOING IT.
secondly, Gee, whoda thought north would be aggressing people in the south. Man your making it like eve 2 years ago. omg. _______________________________________________
Black Avatar - One of the oldest corps in Eve.
"The end and the beginning."
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scabbsssjr
Gallente M'8'S
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Posted - 2007.01.05 06:00:00 -
[29]
You just want those outposts in pure blind. What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp. |

Taladorn
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 06:02:00 -
[30]
Holy Undocks Blacklight! to the pew pew mobile!
oh wait they said ISS.... bah wheres my plexing gear 
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Admentus Cor'vion
Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.05 06:04:00 -
[31]
Originally by: KOTH Fluf Good luck gentlemen, and may the server gods be with you.
Fluf, you smarmy old bastard. Pull your head out of those naked girls who swing there half naked derriers in front of you while you DJ and come and pay us a visit.
EVERYBODYS DOING IT.
secondly, Gee, whoda thought north would be aggressing people in the south. Man your making it like eve 2 years ago. omg. _______________________________________________
Black Avatar - One of the oldest corps in Eve.
"The end and the beginning."
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Admentus Cor'vion
Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.05 06:04:00 -
[32]
Originally by: KOTH Fluf Good luck gentlemen, and may the server gods be with you.
Fluf, you smarmy old bastard. Pull your head out of those naked girls who swing there half naked derriers in front of you while you DJ and come and pay us a visit.
EVERYBODYS DOING IT.
secondly, Gee, whoda thought north would be aggressing people in the south. Man your making it like eve 2 years ago. omg. _______________________________________________
Black Avatar - One of the oldest corps in Eve.
"The end and the beginning."
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Prophet Malcalypse3
Amarr Her Golden Apple Corps
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Posted - 2007.01.05 06:07:00 -
[33]
Originally by: War Bear Very interesting turn of events. 2007 starting off with a proverbial bang. Good luck to all parties involved. May your clones always be updated and may the server gods shine on you. Hail Eris.
fnord!
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Prophet Malcalypse3
Amarr Her Golden Apple Corps
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Posted - 2007.01.05 06:07:00 -
[34]
Originally by: War Bear Very interesting turn of events. 2007 starting off with a proverbial bang. Good luck to all parties involved. May your clones always be updated and may the server gods shine on you. Hail Eris.
fnord!
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FowlPlayChiken
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.05 06:08:00 -
[35]
so d2 want Borealis? or is it EC- your after?
Perhaps you should pick on someone your own size. This appears cowardly in my eyes. bawk
Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
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FowlPlayChiken
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.05 06:08:00 -
[36]
so d2 want Borealis? or is it EC- your after?
Perhaps you should pick on someone your own size. This appears cowardly in my eyes. bawk
Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
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KOTH Fluf
Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.05 06:18:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Admentus Cor'vion
Originally by: KOTH Fluf Good luck gentlemen, and may the server gods be with you.
Fluf, you smarmy old bastard. Pull your head out of those naked girls who swing there half naked derriers in front of you while you DJ and come and pay us a visit.
EVERYBODYS DOING IT.
secondly, Gee, whoda thought north would be aggressing people in the south. Man your making it like eve 2 years ago. omg.
Been there done that you old coot. And you really dont want me paying you a visit now do ya?  Fluf CEO Shiva Morsus Mihi
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KOTH Fluf
Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.05 06:18:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Admentus Cor'vion
Originally by: KOTH Fluf Good luck gentlemen, and may the server gods be with you.
Fluf, you smarmy old bastard. Pull your head out of those naked girls who swing there half naked derriers in front of you while you DJ and come and pay us a visit.
EVERYBODYS DOING IT.
secondly, Gee, whoda thought north would be aggressing people in the south. Man your making it like eve 2 years ago. omg.
Been there done that you old coot. And you really dont want me paying you a visit now do ya?  Fluf CEO Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Broska
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 06:21:00 -
[39]
Jumping on the band waggon eh? ------------------------------
Originally by: Tovarishch flying a Scorp into a fleet battle is like parking a pink moped in front of a biker bar - you will die... quickly.
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Broska
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 06:21:00 -
[40]
Jumping on the band waggon eh? ------------------------------
Originally by: Tovarishch flying a Scorp into a fleet battle is like parking a pink moped in front of a biker bar - you will die... quickly.
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Dragerest
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 06:51:00 -
[41]
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken so d2 want Borealis? or is it EC- your after?
Perhaps you should pick on someone your own size. This appears cowardly in my eyes. bawk
why? now you have work, becuase they are going to ask you to war dec us now. ISS hinds behind mercs. there "NAVY" can't hold down a noobship.
For your tech 2 needs www.evetrust.com
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rodgerd
ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 07:09:00 -
[42]
Originally by: liquidism \o/ im in a bob thread!
no. wait... 
Don't worry, it will be soon enough.
-- Not the opinions of my corp or my alliance. |

rodgerd
ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 07:11:00 -
[43]
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken so d2 want Borealis? or is it EC- your after?
Perhaps you should pick on someone your own size. This appears cowardly in my eyes. bawk
Who ran away from who's capital fleet again, to the fury of the client, again? -- Not the opinions of my corp or my alliance. |

Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 07:20:00 -
[44]
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken so d2 want Borealis? or is it EC- your after?
My thoughts exactly. I'm not sure I see any immediate purpose in wardecing ISS. What is it D2 is wanting exactly? ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic |

Master OlavPancrazio
Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 07:22:00 -
[45]
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken so d2 want Borealis? or is it EC- your after?
Perhaps you should pick on someone your own size. This appears cowardly in my eyes. bawk
That's funny coming from the context of how many alliances are fighting IAC.
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Simon Illian
Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.01.05 07:25:00 -
[46]
It must be a Sir molle style post.
We will wardec you, but not story, damn i want story !
ha they msut have benen spy for you'r ennemies like BoBo Corp ?
-\_/-\_/-\_/-\_/-\_/-\_/-\_/-\_/-\_/-\_/ When you need a mad man, call me i'me ready to serve ! -\_/-\_/-\_/-\_/-\_/-\_/-\_/-\_/-\_/-\_/null |

vladdy2
VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.05 07:26:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken so d2 want Borealis? or is it EC- your after?
My thoughts exactly. I'm not sure I see any immediate purpose in wardecing ISS. What is it D2 is wanting exactly?
They're prb not gonna tell you or anyone in here.
Hope it's not boring for ya D2, i wish you as much *pew* *pew* as possible  ---------------------------------
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 07:27:00 -
[48]
Originally by: vladdy2
Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken so d2 want Borealis? or is it EC- your after?
My thoughts exactly. I'm not sure I see any immediate purpose in wardecing ISS. What is it D2 is wanting exactly?
They're prb not gonna tell you or anyone in here.
Hope it's not boring for ya D2, i wish you as much *pew* *pew* as possible 
I know, but I like stories. Watching wars isn't half the fun when you don't know why missiles are flying and people are dying. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic |

Dragerest
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 07:33:00 -
[49]
we will see what happens when the puppet is attack will the master come out and show himself.
For your tech 2 needs www.evetrust.com
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BlackHorizon
Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 07:34:00 -
[50]
Edited by: BlackHorizon on 05/01/2007 07:33:53 Have fun D2.

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Anna Neura
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 07:38:00 -
[51]
Good luck everyone..
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Almega
Caldari The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 07:48:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Almega on 05/01/2007 07:49:28 Welcome to the good fight, D2. It's good to see that there are other open eyes.
EDIT: Typo
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Roller
Syn-Packet Security
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Posted - 2007.01.05 07:54:00 -
[53]
/me places tinfoil hat on tightly...
Nice move considering ISS stations in the north would be a nice staging point for an invasion.
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jernej
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 07:58:00 -
[54]
I'm in awe, hope you didn't bite off more than you can chew 
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.05 07:59:00 -
[55]
You're all a bunch of Evil Thug wannabees!
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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DiuxDium
Casting Shadows
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Posted - 2007.01.05 08:02:00 -
[56]
Arrgs! Let that which is baked be devoured.

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The Speaker
The Clue Factory
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Posted - 2007.01.05 08:04:00 -
[57]
The first of many dominos falls, now to see the rest and how the events unfold...
Good luck everyone and have fun 
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Attiladehun
Gallente Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.05 08:07:00 -
[58]
Well that's a surprise i guess, oh well what a better way to start in 2007 with a wardec eh.
Still wondering why you are picking on iss though?
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Le Cardinal
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 08:11:00 -
[59]
o/ Attila. Good to see ur still around :D
And woot? War vs ISS! Didnt see that coming  |

juduzz
Amarr Memento.Mori
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Posted - 2007.01.05 08:15:00 -
[60]
GL ISS, they seem to mainly have miners in the north so no exacly much of a challenge although they were good at ninja mining in EC-P while most the northern alliances were to lazy to leave torr gate -_-
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rodgerd
ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 08:16:00 -
[61]
Originally by: jernej I'm in awe, hope you didn't bite off more than you can chew 
Next you'll be telling me ISS are BoB alts. -- Not the opinions of my corp or my alliance. |

kublai
Short Attention Span
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Posted - 2007.01.05 08:17:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Attiladehun Well that's a surprise i guess, oh well what a better way to start in 2007 with a wardec eh.
Still wondering why you are picking on iss though?
ISS is known as the epitome of honor, neutrality and fair fighting...ahem.
I forsee a grand empire contract for MC here, unless ofcourse you're willing to risk Capitals vs a foe that can actually oppose you in equal force.
Well, you are merc's so i'm guessing you'll be singing a different tune than you did vs IAC, but please, considering you are merc's and are all abou that "profit over honour" thing, please don't go around accusing others of picking on weaker targets, it screams hypocracy fifty jumps in every direction.
Unless ofcourse you're going to let ISS hire you and your entire fleet for full blown 0.0 warfare, in which case you're welcome to accuse anyone of whatever you like.
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VunnaX
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Posted - 2007.01.05 08:20:00 -
[63]
Originally by: DeathGrip If any D2 happens to find out where Lilan Kahn hangs out let me know please. Also if you get a few corpses of him/her let me know. May be willing to help with some of the war efforts since I can never seem to find him in ISS space, not sure if its a time zone thing or what.
Go play in Impass. Oh, wait, you can't... |

Kharakan
Amarr Morticus Impendium
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Posted - 2007.01.05 08:47:00 -
[64]
D2 wanting the excercise the new titan? 
this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
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Skybar
Minmatar Deviance Inc SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 09:00:00 -
[65]
Oh this will be interesting! Please resize e-peen to a maximum of 150x40R, not exceeding 0.5kg, ty. If you would like further improve epeen please mail [email protected] - Rocco |

Lilan Kahn
Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 09:02:00 -
[66]
All iss please refrain from posting kthx.
D2 thanks for the atten and i wish you good hunting and much.
Welcom to the fray bit unexpcted but welcom.
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
http://www.sloganizer.net/en/image,Lilan-spc-Kahn,white,black.png |

Wylker
The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 09:03:00 -
[67]
See you in space D2 :)
Click the sig to understand |

Fi T'Zeh
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 09:05:00 -
[68]
Boring.... ....
Real men use blasters |

Graalum
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.01.05 09:11:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Graalum on 05/01/2007 09:12:47 Wow i bet noone saw this coming 
have fun with your new/old stations d2.
Originally by: Belid Hagen
Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken so d2 want Borealis? or is it EC- your after?
Perhaps you should pick on someone your own size. This appears cowardly in my eyes. bawk
That's funny coming from the context of how many alliances are fighting IAC.
from my understanding: 1 - ISS
so it was ISS dreads popping IAC poses eh?
I forgot to add I endorse this thread and cause, even if it is d2.
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.05 09:16:00 -
[70]
Good luck to all and hope no D2 members bought shares.
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 09:20:00 -
[71]
lmao you git Ovaron. I thought I had until DT to sell those shares hehehe 
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Juan Andalusian
TAOSP Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 09:22:00 -
[72]
D2 = Doze and Drowse.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |

Grissem
Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.05 09:22:00 -
[73]
GL D2 hope you have fun with em! --------- ROA till i die.......or they find someone better |

Dr Smythe
Sha Kharn Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.05 09:30:00 -
[74]
So much for D2 making a move on BoB 
Well good luck to both sides (I think ISS need more luck than D2 
Have fun, fight fair and if you can't fight fair I will be looking this way 
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Narusegawa Naru
Gallente The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 09:35:00 -
[75]
Go D2! Any more coming to fight ISS? :-D
What's the total count vs ISS now?
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Dr Smythe
Sha Kharn Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.05 09:41:00 -
[76]
Actually what would made this war really interesting is if BoB joined the war against ISS on the side of IAC but also against D2 :)
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Xaarist
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.05 09:47:00 -
[77]
very interesting move. no clue about the plan behind it though, so it's got to be an interesting move. one of the powerhouse alliances of eve against - well - ISS... maybe a severe grudge from d2 side against ISS business concept  ---------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is an alien dressed as Bunny to secretly gain world domination. ...if you don't know Happy Tree Friends, just imagine Teletubbies on LSD... |

Lockon
VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.05 09:54:00 -
[78]
Good Luck D2!
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Calisto Cody
Minmatar The Black Swan Society
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Posted - 2007.01.05 09:54:00 -
[79]
*waits for the butter dog conspiracy rant*
Originally by: Sergio Ling
Originally by: Butter Dog but I'm professional enough to keep my mouth shut about what I know.
i can't imagine that's true
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 09:55:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 05/01/2007 09:55:41
Well.. this is a very smart move from D2 imo.
We have heard rumours that D2 has been quietly putting NAPS and military agreements in place.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the diplomacy has concluded and all parties that should be blue to eachother, are.
This action by D2 can have 3 motivators: 1) to gain some new outposts 2) revenge for ISS getting the old trust Outposts 3) To test the relationships of the enemy.
IMO the stress test is the most important one... D2 want to know exactly who is going to come to ISS' rescue. Maybe they wanna test exactly who is in bed with who down south and how strong the ties are.
The surprising part in this announcement is that D2 have taken the initiative..and for that they should be commended. GJ.
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Mather Maelstrom
Gallente Azure Horizon Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.01.05 10:00:00 -
[81]
Is it a price to pay to get southern allegiance? - just speculating
//No Pro Gallente RP, no Coreli & Cyrene anymore\\ |

Turkantho
Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 10:18:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Nez Perces
We have heard rumours that D2 has been quietly putting NAPS and military agreements in place.
Quietly ? Didn't you heard all that NAP cannon talk ? ________
been there, done that, got the t-shirt |

Iudex
Caldari CaIdari Navy
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Posted - 2007.01.05 10:23:00 -
[83]
Woot ? Why are you doing this, dam, and this when i wanted to invest some bil in iss shares ... glad i waited But aren't most ISS outposts in the south anyways ?
L...i...b...e...r...a...t...e.........C...a...l...d...a...r...i........P...r...i...m...e.!
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.05 10:26:00 -
[84]
As Nez rightly points out, this is a relationship tester.
ISS have some powerful people in thier share portfoliio, have no doubts of that... now we will see a real test (no offense IAC) of what those investors will do to stop ISS going down.
It is fairly simple to know that BoB have a large portion of shares, the old Trust outpost in EC-P was "given" to them by BoB, and we know that ISS have isk to spend on mercs etc.
For me personally... I see this a no brainer, ISS are gonners, they will lose whatever stations D2 wish to take, which by the looks of it is all of them. Bob arent going to move their war machine to help, this would cause an immediate response from RedSwarm and other D2 aligned entities, and anyone else is in consequential, LV being the next largest potential allie for ISS would have no effect on D2s campaign, and more than that redswarm would move in hard on their territory if they sent away the defense forces... LV can only move if Redswarm move.... and RedSwarm will only move if BoB do.
Balls in BoB's court, but they may well not care anywhere near enough to launch it back.
Nice move D2.
KIA EVE Home
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 10:27:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Turkantho
Originally by: Nez Perces
We have heard rumours that D2 has been quietly putting NAPS and military agreements in place.
Quietly ? Didn't you heard all that NAP cannon talk ?
Hehe... well I actually meant the NAPS that may or may not have been put in place with some entities that we shall not name as it would spoil teh fun.
The northern NAPS ofc everybody knows about and D2 has had the mickey taken out of them for that for the last year? or so.
I was talking about the 'other' NAPS.
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k1Lz
Delta team Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.05 10:29:00 -
[86]
I`m very curious how AAA will get in all this conflict :), will be fun any way :P
DELTA is recruiting
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Exelsior
Colossus Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.01.05 10:30:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Exelsior on 05/01/2007 10:30:33 Oh damnit, I was expecting D2 to strike BoB before they had the time to recover and stabilise the situation in Feythabolis and Fountain and attack D2. Oh well, hf anyway, sure didn't expect this 
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Laythun
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 10:31:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Iudex Woot ? Why are you doing this, dam, and this when i wanted to invest some bil in iss shares ... glad i waited But aren't most ISS outposts in the south anyways ?
Yes with one notable exception. ECP-8R. Its not been forgotten
CEI's own Undercover Brother [MIA] It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:04:00 -
[89]
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Exelsior Edited by: Exelsior on 05/01/2007 10:30:33 Oh damnit, I was expecting D2 to strike BoB before they had the time to recover and stabilise the situation in Feythabolis and Fountain and attack D2. Oh well, hf anyway, sure didn't expect this 
D2 are the new ASCN.
Industrialists with no real desire to strike anyone for fear of being wiped off the map again.
Another cowardly move by an alliance that is supposed to be something in the game, when in reality they have achieved very little other than holing up in space we left empty and cried about how they could go toe to toe with us.
weak.
dbp
Why are you so bitter  ...
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Kay Han
Caldari Stardust Heavy Industries Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:06:00 -
[90]
Originally by: DB Preacher
D2 are the new ASCN.
hell no.
But even if we are like ascn. we will prevail where frodo has failed  ___________________________________________ A wise man said once: 'Violence is the escape of the mentaly poor guys.'
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Turkantho
Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:06:00 -
[91]
flame on db  /me grabs the popcorn  ________
been there, done that, got the t-shirt |

DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:10:00 -
[92]
Originally by: DeadDuck Why are you so bitter  ...
You confuse bitterness with realistic.
It's unfortunate but perhaps if you look around closely you will understand why.
However, I doubt it because you are very similar to ASCN even down to the point where you are unable to view yourselves in your actual state...
A weak industrial alliance with no power, desire nor appetite for the game.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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jernej
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:16:00 -
[93]
Originally by: DeadDuck Why are you so bitter  ...
We were expecting you 
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searchi
tiberian suns
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:18:00 -
[94]
of course u were expecting them. now the ball is in your court. thats a smart move.
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:18:00 -
[95]
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: DeadDuck Why are you so bitter  ...
You confuse bitterness with realistic.
It's unfortunate but perhaps if you look around closely you will understand why.
However, I doubt it because you are very similar to ASCN even down to the point where you are unable to view yourselves in your actual state...
A weak industrial alliance with no power, desire nor appetite for the game.
dbp
Well prepare to see what this "weak industrial alliance with no power, desire nor appetite for the game" is about to do ... why ? because we can 
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Yakia TovilToba
Caldari CaIdari Navy
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:23:00 -
[96]
Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/01/2007 11:01:40
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii And taking on Goonswarm and "wiping them off the face of 0.0" was brave was it ? And btw.. you failed.
Oh thats right, you wanted them dead over that forum post. BoB spin ? 
Alliaanna
/me looks at syndicate... hmm, no goons.
but WTF does that have to do with what I wrote above?
Perhaps I'm not being clear enough.
D2 are an insignificant alliance with no real victories to date over any alliance of any significance in the game.
They are an alliance filled with industrialists and newbs.
They know if they were to try and *bring* it against BoB it would be nothing but a massive failure from start to finish and would end up with them losing all of their 0.0 space.
That is why they have chosen to attack ISS instead in a vain effort to keep their ever decreasing pool of pvp'ers from leaving the game. Nothing more, nothing less.
weak.
dbp
*sniff* *sniff* ... i smell tensions ! such statements are always a good harbinger for a war .. what will D2 do to "keep their face" ? |

Jonathan Fisher
Galactic Security
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:24:00 -
[97]
Thank you for this!
Expect your alliance diplomats to be pestered by me on a regular basis. The new war coverage will now commence.
- EVE Tribune - |

Kitarie
Gallente Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:24:00 -
[98]
Originally by: jernej
Originally by: DeadDuck Why are you so bitter  ...
We were expecting you 
patience, my friend, patience  -------------
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:25:00 -
[99]
Originally by: jernej
Originally by: DeadDuck Why are you so bitter  ...
We were expecting you 
That sounds a honest response 
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NOObbody
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:25:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/01/2007 11:01:40
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii And taking on Goonswarm and "wiping them off the face of 0.0" was brave was it ? And btw.. you failed.
Oh thats right, you wanted them dead over that forum post. BoB spin ? 
Alliaanna
/me looks at syndicate... hmm, no goons.
but WTF does that have to do with what I wrote above?
Perhaps I'm not being clear enough.
D2 are an insignificant alliance with no real victories to date over any alliance of any significance in the game.
They are an alliance filled with industrialists and newbs.
They know if they were to try and *bring* it against BoB it would be nothing but a massive failure from start to finish and would end up with them losing all of their 0.0 space.
That is why they have chosen to attack ISS instead in a vain effort to keep their ever decreasing pool of pvp'ers from leaving the game. Nothing more, nothing less.
weak.
dbp
*sniff* *sniff* ... i smell tensions ! such statements are always a good harbinger for a war .. what will D2 do to "keep their face" ?
I can tell you what we are doing ATM:
Laugh at dbp
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Laythun
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:25:00 -
[101]
Ah the Dbp smack. Its like an old WW1 artillery barrage before the offensive. seeing u soon then dbp?
CEI's own Undercover Brother [MIA] It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö
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Omdra Gon
Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:27:00 -
[102]
Have fun and good luck D2 
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Player One
Minmatar Die wilde 13
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:31:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/01/2007 11:01:40
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii And taking on Goonswarm and "wiping them off the face of 0.0" was brave was it ? And btw.. you failed.
Oh thats right, you wanted them dead over that forum post. BoB spin ? 
Alliaanna
/me looks at syndicate... hmm, no goons.
but WTF does that have to do with what I wrote above?
Perhaps I'm not being clear enough.
D2 are an insignificant alliance with no real victories to date over any alliance of any significance in the game.
They are an alliance filled with industrialists and newbs.
They know if they were to try and *bring* it against BoB it would be nothing but a massive failure from start to finish and would end up with them losing all of their 0.0 space.
That is why they have chosen to attack ISS instead in a vain effort to keep their ever decreasing pool of pvp'ers from leaving the game. Nothing more, nothing less.
weak.
dbp
*sniff* *sniff* ... i smell tensions ! such statements are always a good harbinger for a war .. what will D2 do to "keep their face" ?
nothing? because dbp is copy & paste this statement for 2 years now.
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Turkantho
Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:32:00 -
[104]
Originally by: DB Preacher
You confuse bitterness with realistic.
It's unfortunate but perhaps if you look around closely you will understand why.
However, I doubt it because you are very similar to ASCN even down to the point where you are unable to view yourselves in your actual state...
A weak industrial alliance with no power, desire nor appetite for the game.
dbp
have you lost something?  ________
been there, done that, got the t-shirt |

Luna Liandri
PPN United Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:33:00 -
[105]
Originally by: DB Preacher D2 are an insignificant alliance with no real victories to date over any alliance of any significance in the game.
They are an alliance filled with industrialists and newbs.
They know if they were to try and *bring* it against BoB it would be nothing but a massive failure from start to finish and would end up with them losing all of their 0.0 space.
That is why they have chosen to attack ISS instead in a vain effort to keep their ever decreasing pool of pvp'ers from leaving the game. Nothing more, nothing less.
weak.
dbp
no better laugh as wanna-be-spindoctor-dbp post, thats for sure ! 
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Jean
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:33:00 -
[106]
Originally by: kublai
Originally by: Attiladehun Well that's a surprise i guess, oh well what a better way to start in 2007 with a wardec eh.
Still wondering why you are picking on iss though?
ISS is known as the epitome of honor, neutrality and fair fighting...ahem.
I forsee a grand empire contract for MC here, unless ofcourse you're willing to risk Capitals vs a foe that can actually oppose you in equal force.
Well, you are merc's so i'm guessing you'll be singing a different tune than you did vs IAC, but please, considering you are merc's and are all abou that "profit over honour" thing, please don't go around accusing others of picking on weaker targets, it screams hypocracy fifty jumps in every direction.
Unless ofcourse you're going to let ISS hire you and your entire fleet for full blown 0.0 warfare, in which case you're welcome to accuse anyone of whatever you like.
Don't pretend to have any knowledge about what happened during the IAC contract, a lot of MC members did/do not know the full scope of the events that occured, let alone you...
Untill we see your name or that of (post with) your main on a killmail related to any MC contract, please keep you inflamatory comments to yourself...
Oh, btw... Mercenaries are paid to be hypocryts, but we prefer to call it unbiased... 
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:34:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Player One
nothing? because dbp is copy & paste this statement for 2 years now.
Perhaps.. but my god its effective as it ever was. You do not have blood running through your veins if you are D2 and it does not stir some kind of emotion in you... Particularly with the timing of it.
The timing is everything.
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Tholarim
Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:36:00 -
[108]
I like it when DBP's remarks hit home 
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:37:00 -
[109]
D2 could have decced us but they choose easy targets.. way to go! How about BoB? Invade Fountain? Aww, you might get poo-poo .. too bad. Soft targets and ganks 4tw! \o/   "It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö"
"A world without pain" |

deadmaus
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:38:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Juan Andalusian D2 = Doze and Drowse.
lmao..that's very clever.Take long?
Good luck and have fun all concerned, this is why we are all here together. |

Christopher Multsanti
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:39:00 -
[111]
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: DeadDuck Why are you so bitter  ...
You confuse bitterness with realistic.
It's unfortunate but perhaps if you look around closely you will understand why.
However, I doubt it because you are very similar to ASCN even down to the point where you are unable to view yourselves in your actual state...
A weak industrial alliance with no power, desire nor appetite for the game.
dbp
There is one difference between D2 and ASCN, they will give you one hell of a run for your money when it comes to fleet battles, thats being realistic right?
It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it?
EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs...
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Esaam DeVries
Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:39:00 -
[112]
I'm in a BoB thread.  -- "Please, would you tell me," said Alice, a little timidly, ... "why your cat grins like that?" "It's a Cheshire cat," said the Duchess, "and that's why." http://www.evetrust.com |

DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:46:00 -
[113]
Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/01/2007 11:48:03
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: DeadDuck Why are you so bitter  ...
You confuse bitterness with realistic.
It's unfortunate but perhaps if you look around closely you will understand why.
However, I doubt it because you are very similar to ASCN even down to the point where you are unable to view yourselves in your actual state...
A weak industrial alliance with no power, desire nor appetite for the game.
dbp
There is one difference between D2 and ASCN, they will give you one hell of a run for your money when it comes to fleet battles, thats being realistic right?
Really?
They have never given me a run for my money at any time previously.
The only running they ever gave me was up north when we had to chase them around 6 regions while they ran from us until they logged off.
You are deluded by their pretence at being one of the big 5 in the game.
They are nothing better than ASCN, tell me one thing they have done in the game that hasn't been bettered by any one of the other large alliances left in the game.
As G they got spanked by us, they failed at EC-P8R, they got spanked by ASCN when they went to visit, they got spanked Goonswarm when they came to visit and they have done nothing to show they are a force in the game.
I understand that everyone has to stand up on their soapboxes on the other side of me because I have BoB under my name but seriously, if you think D2 are anything other than an alliance who have hidden, ran and done ANYTHING to avoid being crushed by us then you are mistaken.
We were going to go and crush them in the summer but looked at them and seriously laughed at what they had become which is why ASCN were attacked instead because we felt they might put up some better resistance.
D2 don't have the desire or ability to see through any major war they have been involved in stemming right back to their origins as an alliance.
But hey, I'm just a BoB member, what do I know.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:48:00 -
[114]
Originally by: DB Preacher
D2 are an insignificant alliance with no real victories to date over any alliance of any significance in the game.
They are an alliance filled with industrialists and newbs.
...
weak.
What did bob achieve?
You are not saying D2 are noobs because they are attacking an Industrial/Noob Alliance are you?
Because on my books "ASCN" don't have a "PVP" mark.
That's maybe just on my book dbp, I'm sure we don't have the same standarts regarding what is significant/insignificant/pvp/carebear/industrial/noob.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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LadyAmarus
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:49:00 -
[115]
this is the best christmass present ever
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Juan Andalusian
TAOSP Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:50:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: DeadDuck Why are you so bitter  ...
You confuse bitterness with realistic.
It's unfortunate but perhaps if you look around closely you will understand why.
However, I doubt it because you are very similar to ASCN even down to the point where you are unable to view yourselves in your actual state...
A weak industrial alliance with no power, desire nor appetite for the game.
dbp
There is one difference between D2 and ASCN, they will give you one hell of a run for your money when it comes to fleet battles, thats being realistic right?
No that's wishfull thinking.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |

Christopher Multsanti
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:51:00 -
[117]
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: DeadDuck Why are you so bitter  ...
You confuse bitterness with realistic.
It's unfortunate but perhaps if you look around closely you will understand why.
However, I doubt it because you are very similar to ASCN even down to the point where you are unable to view yourselves in your actual state...
A weak industrial alliance with no power, desire nor appetite for the game.
dbp
There is one difference between D2 and ASCN, they will give you one hell of a run for your money when it comes to fleet battles, thats being realistic right?
Really?
They have never given me a run for my money at any time previously.
The only running they ever gave me was up north when we had to chase them around 6 regions while they ran from us until they logged off.
You are deluded by their pretence at being one of the big 5 in the game.
They are nothing better than ASCN, tell me one thing they have done in the game that hasn't been bettered by any one of the other large alliances left in the game.
As G they got spanked by us, they failed at EC-P8R, they got spanked by ASCN when they went to visit, they got spanked Goonswarm when they came to visit and they have done nothing to show they are a force in the game.
I understand that everyone has to stand up on their soapboxes on the other side of me because I have BoB under my name but seriously, if you think D2 are anything other than an alliance who have hidden, ran and done ANYTHING to avoid being crushed by us then you are mistaken.
They don't have the desire or ability to see through any major war they have been involved in stemming right back to their origins as an alliance.
But hey, I'm just a BoB member, what do I know.
dbp
Hey chill your boots there, I am not referring to their desire, or their naps or how agressive their are politically. All I was simply saying is, if you have fleet battle with them, it simply won't be one slaughter after another like ASCN, thats the difference.
It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it?
EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs...
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:51:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Player One
because dbp is copy & paste this statement for 2 years now.
Brillant.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Turkantho
Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:51:00 -
[119]
speak english ? F5, F5, F5  ________
been there, done that, got the t-shirt |

Silas Thessalonica
A.W.M Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:52:00 -
[120]
Edited by: Silas Thessalonica on 05/01/2007 11:53:26 Oh hells yeah. Do I even need to wish D2 good luck? Haha, slaughter!
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:52:00 -
[121]
If you want a history lesson Omeega, go read something.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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OozoO
Caldari Decadence. Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:53:00 -
[122]
Remember: we are the good guys! 
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Maltroc
Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:56:00 -
[123]
Originally by: DB Preacher If you want a history lesson Omeega, go read something.
dbp
Your posts ? 
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:57:00 -
[124]
Originally by: DB Preacher If you want a history lesson Omeega, go read something.
dbp
OMG THIS IS AN IQ DUEL TEST!!!
OK HOW MUCH TIME DOES A 3 INCH RAW MEAT TEXAN STEAK TAKES TO COOK?!
ok, i'm giving up dbp, you're just too good at beeing who you are.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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ceaon
Gallente Porandor
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:57:00 -
[125]
GL ISS 
(me ask why so many no related post ? can any clear all that crap plz)
Xfire made my sig to big for eve-o forums :S now my Xfire profile is linked here |

MetalZero
Minmatar Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:59:00 -
[126]
wow ...seems this war-dec "touch a nerve" [ ..guess... whom :) ] ___________ ThunderCats |

LordAmarus
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:00:00 -
[127]
To the bobbers acusing D2 of being noobs , industrialists , etc etc etc
bring it on then? if we are so weak just crush us?
and dun say you wun do it cause of no honour , ffs you attacked ascn -_- where is the honour in that ? we all know ascn has/had only 5-6 decent pvp corps.
ow yeah right I forgot , all you do is forum wars .
anyway all I say is , finally some good to eat , and i have a big apetite.
(and bob dun even bother to reply if you wanna reply just ffs evemail me)
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Kitarie
Gallente Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:03:00 -
[128]
uh uh activate your corp ticker mate :) -------------
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Heinky
Amarr BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:04:00 -
[129]
D2 doesnt really want bob to come help iss and im pretty sure d2 will only atteck iss in the north and not go south where they would just die.
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Fuffel
Gallente Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:04:00 -
[130]
Originally by: DB Preacher
Really?
They have never given me a run for my money at any time previously.
The only running they ever gave me was up north when we had to chase them around 6 regions while they ran from us until they logged off.
You are deluded by their pretence at being one of the big 5 in the game.
They are nothing better than ASCN, tell me one thing they have done in the game that hasn't been bettered by any one of the other large alliances left in the game.
As G they got spanked by us, they failed at EC-P8R, they got spanked by ASCN when they went to visit, they got spanked Goonswarm when they came to visit and they have done nothing to show they are a force in the game.
I understand that everyone has to stand up on their soapboxes on the other side of me because I have BoB under my name but seriously, if you think D2 are anything other than an alliance who have hidden, ran and done ANYTHING to avoid being crushed by us then you are mistaken.
We were going to go and crush them in the summer but looked at them and seriously laughed at what they had become which is why ASCN were attacked instead because we felt they might put up some better resistance.
D2 don't have the desire or ability to see through any major war they have been involved in stemming right back to their origins as an alliance.
But hey, I'm just a BoB member, what do I know.
dbp
You are a funny girl 
do you call ec-p8r PvP nowadays? I hope you smacked the empty pos and towers hard in local - they deserved it - precision is the death of relevance - |

jernej
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:04:00 -
[131]
Originally by: MetalZero wow ...seems this war-dec "touch a nerve" [ ..guess... whom :) ]
all was cool till dbp touched a nerve
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Turkantho
Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:06:00 -
[132]
Originally by: ceaon GL ISS 
(me ask why so many no related post ? can any clear all that crap plz)
nah it's ok, db got it back he should calm down anytime now
________
been there, done that, got the t-shirt |

Sebastian Estor
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:07:00 -
[133]
D2 attack ISS - BOB go to save their (possible) investments in ISS - BOB v D2
RAGOON hold up LV
IRON hold up FIX
CELES & CO hold up XELAS
AAA go where....??
ASCN alamo et all go where....??
Forget all the spin. This is an interesting and clever move by D2.
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Christopher Multsanti
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:10:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: DeadDuck Why are you so bitter  ...
You confuse bitterness with realistic.
It's unfortunate but perhaps if you look around closely you will understand why.
However, I doubt it because you are very similar to ASCN even down to the point where you are unable to view yourselves in your actual state...
A weak industrial alliance with no power, desire nor appetite for the game.
dbp
There is one difference between D2 and ASCN, they will give you one hell of a run for your money when it comes to fleet battles, thats being realistic right?
No that's wishfull thinking.
Just wait till Will wakes up, then your in trouble. 
It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it?
EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs...
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Laythun
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:10:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Omeega
Originally by: DB Preacher
D2 are an insignificant alliance with no real victories to date over any alliance of any significance in the game.
They are an alliance filled with industrialists and newbs.
...
weak.
What did bob achieve?
You are not saying D2 are noobs because they are attacking an Industrial/Noob Alliance are you?
Because on my books "ASCN" don't have a "PVP" mark.
That's maybe just on my book dbp, I'm sure we don't have the same standarts regarding what is significant/insignificant/pvp/carebear/industrial/noob.
I think my dear friend Omeega, that dbp is suffering selective memory syndrome.
Aside from ASCN i do recall one attack on ECP, hmm i do recall that was held by an entity known as trust. i also recall trust running a nice little shop, and lastly i remember them being an industrial alliance...?
Oh yeah Omeega, give me a shout ingame <3
CEI's own Undercover Brother [MIA] It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:12:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Originally by: Kuolematon D2 could have decced us but they choose easy targets.. way to go! How about BoB? Invade Fountain? Aww, you might get poo-poo .. too bad. Soft targets and ganks 4tw! \o/  
BoB dont own fountain, Celest and co do 
Alliaanna
Emote looks at territory map in forums, bzzzz wrong, it's BoB territory. Currently infested while BoB is away from home
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:13:00 -
[137]
Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/01/2007 12:15:30 oh right, I see, now I'm beginning to see the masterstroke at work!
This is why ASCN failed!
In order to destroy BoB, you must..... attack ISS!
It's genius and only a madman would come up with such a devious plan.
Excuse me while I clear my office in Nol, I fear this will be too much for BoB and we will collapse into nothingness.
weak.
Why the rest of eve is defending this move as genius is beyond me. You should all be laughing at them for failing to strike us when we were at our most stretched.
D2 missed the opportunity to do us any damage in the slightest and have proved that our decision to attack ASCN as the more threatening alliance was post-justified.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Dekiri
Exanimo Inc
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:14:00 -
[138]
Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/01/2007 11:01:40
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii And taking on Goonswarm and "wiping them off the face of 0.0" was brave was it ? And btw.. you failed.
Oh thats right, you wanted them dead over that forum post. BoB spin ? 
Alliaanna
/me looks at syndicate... hmm, no goons.
but WTF does that have to do with what I wrote above?
Perhaps I'm not being clear enough.
D2 are an insignificant alliance with no real victories to date over any alliance of any significance in the game.
They are an alliance filled with industrialists and newbs.
They know if they were to try and *bring* it against BoB it would be nothing but a massive failure from start to finish and would end up with them losing all of their 0.0 space.
That is why they have chosen to attack ISS instead in a vain effort to keep their ever decreasing pool of pvp'ers from leaving the game. Nothing more, nothing less.
weak.
dbp
First of all goons have OUTPOSTS now again and they are "well established" at the moment wich means that you completly failed in whiping them off the map forever. And then it was of course to be expected that at some point D¦ will try to take back the EC outpost. It is something they pretty much have to do if they do anything.
You don't sound realistic, you sound bitter, like someone stole your toys. I am no fanboy of either party, but i really can't see how you are making sense, and i can't see how you should talk a lot with goons growing stronger then ever before and D¦ just trying to take back whats theirs.
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SeckelitE
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:16:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Heinky D2 doesnt really want bob to come help iss and im pretty sure d2 will only atteck iss in the north and not go south where they would just die.
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Fuffel
Gallente Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:17:00 -
[140]
Originally by: DB Preacher oh right, I see, now I'm beginning to see the masterstroke at work!
This is why ASCN failed!
In order to destroy BoB, you must..... attack ISS!
It's genius and only a madman would come up with such a devious plan.
Excuse me while I clear my office in Nol, I fear this will be too much for BoB and we will collapse into nothingness.
weak.
dbp
In order to get you on the forums and acting very strange - all we had to do is wardec ISS, thats right
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SeckelitE
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:21:00 -
[141]
Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/01/2007 12:15:30
D2 missed the opportunity to do us any damage in the slightest and have proved that our decision to attack ASCN as the more threatening alliance was post-justified.
dbp
i'm sorry, have u EVER considered it was YOU that made the bad call on atacking ASCN .... u simply gave D2 time to prepare for a war we can't loose.....enyway, me thinks this way  -------------------------------------------- the only thing humans make it perfect is to self distruct |

Laythun
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:26:00 -
[142]
Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/01/2007 12:15:30 oh right, I see, now I'm beginning to see the masterstroke at work!
This is why ASCN failed!
In order to destroy BoB, you must..... attack ISS!
It's genius and only a madman would come up with such a devious plan.
Excuse me while I clear my office in Nol, I fear this will be too much for BoB and we will collapse into nothingness.
weak.
Why the rest of eve is defending this move as genius is beyond me. You should all be laughing at them for failing to strike us when we were at our most stretched.
D2 missed the opportunity to do us any damage in the slightest and have proved that our decision to attack ASCN as the more threatening alliance was post-justified.
dbp
and why do u think everything is about you and BOB? Does the game suddenly revolve around you now? is it to be changed to BOB online? or should we change it to EGO online?
what are your thoughts o master of the universe.
D2 made a move that made sense to thier plan, not yours. you expected them to attck you so what would have been the point? u blather on about how your stretched blah blah but in your current state your expecting an attack are you not?
its all smoke and mirrors man.
CEI's own Undercover Brother [MIA] It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö
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budman905
Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:27:00 -
[143]
/me thinks D2 know something BoB dont.. and /me thinks D2 might have a few more bigger capital ships than BoB know about..
Good call from D2.. lets hope a few more wildcards are yet to be thrown in.
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AMD383
The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:30:00 -
[144]
YARRRRRR!!!!!
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Plan Neun
Caldari Ganja Unlimited Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:33:00 -
[145]
Edited by: Plan Neun on 05/01/2007 12:33:49
Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/01/2007 11:01:40
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii And taking on Goonswarm and "wiping them off the face of 0.0" was brave was it ? And btw.. you failed.
Oh thats right, you wanted them dead over that forum post. BoB spin ? 
Alliaanna
/me looks at syndicate... hmm, no goons.
but WTF does that have to do with what I wrote above?
Perhaps I'm not being clear enough.
D2 are an insignificant alliance with no real victories to date over any alliance of any significance in the game.
They are an alliance filled with industrialists and newbs.
They know if they were to try and *bring* it against BoB it would be nothing but a massive failure from start to finish and would end up with them losing all of their 0.0 space.
That is why they have chosen to attack ISS instead in a vain effort to keep their ever decreasing pool of pvp'ers from leaving the game. Nothing more, nothing less.
weak.
dbp
blablabla and bleh
"I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
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Juan Andalusian
TAOSP Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:38:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Just wait till Will wakes up, then your in trouble. 
That Vagabond pilot is almost as harmless as D2. 
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Plan Neun
Caldari Ganja Unlimited Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:40:00 -
[147]
GL to D2.
"I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
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The Anointed
Caldari StarBug Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:41:00 -
[148]
*/Start Pure speculation*
D2 want to fight BoB, but know what will happen, so they decide to get involved in a cluster bang in the south that always had the potential to draw in BoB.
D2 Smack a bit on the forums, try and make new friends, and wait....
*/End Speculation*
What started as ISS steamrolling IAC (according to ISS posts) has suddenly turned into something pretty epic.
For my own enjoyment I would love to see BoB in there.
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Christopher Multsanti
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:42:00 -
[149]
Originally by: The Anointed */Start Pure speculation*
D2 want to fight BoB, but know what will happen, so they decide to get involved in a cluster bang in the south that always had the potential to draw in BoB.
D2 Smack a bit on the forums, try and make new friends, and wait....
*/End Speculation*
What started as ISS steamrolling IAC (according to ISS posts) has suddenly turned into something pretty epic.
For my own enjoyment I would love to see BoB in there.
I am just guessing here, but D2 won't be going south, ISS have stations in the north you know.
It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it?
EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs...
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FUKDUP
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:43:00 -
[150]
Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/01/2007 11:01:40
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii And taking on Goonswarm and "wiping them off the face of 0.0" was brave was it ? And btw.. you failed.
Oh thats right, you wanted them dead over that forum post. BoB spin ? 
Alliaanna
/me looks at syndicate... hmm, no goons.
but WTF does that have to do with what I wrote above?
Perhaps I'm not being clear enough.
D2 are an insignificant alliance with no real victories to date over any alliance of any significance in the game.
They are an alliance filled with industrialists and newbs.
They know if they were to try and *bring* it against BoB it would be nothing but a massive failure from start to finish and would end up with them losing all of their 0.0 space.
That is why they have chosen to attack ISS instead in a vain effort to keep their ever decreasing pool of pvp'ers from leaving the game. Nothing more, nothing less.
weak.
dbp
ohhh, someone from bob is speaking again about soemthing outside there little world, better listen, must be something very true, righteous and inspiring!
damn, dont you hate it when your so far wrong!!!!
get a fkn clue ffs, not all of us have that pole up our backside 
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Plan Neun
Caldari Ganja Unlimited Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:46:00 -
[151]
Edited by: Plan Neun on 05/01/2007 12:46:51 Edited by: Plan Neun on 05/01/2007 12:46:23
Originally by: The Anointed */Start Pure speculation*
D2 want to fight BoB, but know what will happen, so they decide to get involved in a cluster bang in the south that always had the potential to draw in BoB.
D2 Smack a bit on the forums, try and make new friends, and wait....
*/End Speculation*
What started as ISS steamrolling IAC (according to ISS posts) has suddenly turned into something pretty epic.
For my own enjoyment I would love to see BoB in there.
Forum has gotten an analyze from dbp, and she knows why G did this and that and why D2 make their choices to become a clone of ASCN. It is this rare mindreader implant +5, that i tryed to buy last spring from escrow.
Just missed it, right before my nose. 
"I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
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DiuxDium
Casting Shadows
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:47:00 -
[152]
Originally by: budman905 /me thinks D2 know something BoB dont.. and /me thinks D2 might have a few more bigger capital ships than BoB know about..
Good call from D2.. lets hope a few more wildcards are yet to be thrown in.
  
/whisper "Most d2 pilots learned about the erberus from bob." /whisper "BoB knows more about the internal structure of D2 than D2 grunts." /whisper "Keep this incredibly blatent information sekrut."
Seriously. D2 guys have said over and over, that their first word of the Erberus was from a london meet with Bobbits. If that isn't comedy. What is?

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hired goon
Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:48:00 -
[153]
Originally by: DiuxDium
Seriously. D2 guys have said over and over, that their first word of the Erberus was from a london meet with Bobbits. If that isn't comedy. What is?

That was just me actually  -omg-
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Centauris
Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:49:00 -
[154]
Even if no one else does, i see why this has been done, great move guys. Shows the game does require some inteligence to play it, not just, POINT, LOCK, FIRE, KILL!
sound familiar 
Goodluck D2, my the force be with you
Making ISK is the name of the game. Those who say otherwise are either poor bastards or liars!
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DiuxDium
Casting Shadows
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:50:00 -
[155]
Originally by: hired goon
Originally by: DiuxDium
Seriously. D2 guys have said over and over, that their first word of the Erberus was from a london meet with Bobbits. If that isn't comedy. What is?

That was just me actually 
You're quick on the draw. I especialy liked how BoB knew the system the Erberus was cooking in. Well, the forum posts internally are what made it comedy gold. Stunning that BoB didn't smear those posts all over EvE-O.
Either way, best of luck with this war! 
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budman905
Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:50:00 -
[156]
Originally by: DiuxDium
Originally by: budman905 /me thinks D2 know something BoB dont.. and /me thinks D2 might have a few more bigger capital ships than BoB know about..
Good call from D2.. lets hope a few more wildcards are yet to be thrown in.
  
/whisper "Most d2 pilots learned about the erberus from bob." /whisper "BoB knows more about the internal structure of D2 than D2 grunts." /whisper "Keep this incredibly blatent information sekrut."
Seriously. D2 guys have said over and over, that their first word of the Erberus was from a london meet with Bobbits. If that isn't comedy. What is?

OMG! dont worry, ill keep this information sekrut for all teh eternitys and beyonds!!!
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Laythun
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:54:00 -
[157]
Originally by: hired goon
Originally by: DiuxDium
Seriously. D2 guys have said over and over, that their first word of the Erberus was from a london meet with Bobbits. If that isn't comedy. What is?

That was just me actually 
Yes and we all know how much Goon pays attention in corp...dont we mate 
CEI's own Undercover Brother [MIA] It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö
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The Anointed
Caldari StarBug Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:55:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: The Anointed */Start Pure speculation*
D2 want to fight BoB, but know what will happen, so they decide to get involved in a cluster bang in the south that always had the potential to draw in BoB.
D2 Smack a bit on the forums, try and make new friends, and wait....
*/End Speculation*
What started as ISS steamrolling IAC (according to ISS posts) has suddenly turned into something pretty epic.
For my own enjoyment I would love to see BoB in there.
I am just guessing here, but D2 won't be going south, ISS have stations in the north you know.
Im willing to put all my ISS shares on D2 going south. Shall we speculate on why they would go south and join in?
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Laythun
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:56:00 -
[159]
Originally by: DiuxDium
Originally by: hired goon
Originally by: DiuxDium
Seriously. D2 guys have said over and over, that their first word of the Erberus was from a london meet with Bobbits. If that isn't comedy. What is?

That was just me actually 
You're quick on the draw. I especialy liked how BoB knew the system the Erberus was cooking in. Well, the forum posts internally are what made it comedy gold. Stunning that BoB didn't smear those posts all over EvE-O.
Either way, best of luck with this war! 
erm it was sorta like we all knew, and erm we all knew about the planned attack etc etc. Oh and how hard is it to fly around someones space with an alt lookin at pos structures???
In anycase, D2 made a move correct for them. that is all.
Go D2.
/end
CEI's own Undercover Brother [MIA] It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö
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jernej
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:56:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Dekiri First of all goons have OUTPOSTS now again and they are "well established" at the moment wich means that you completly failed in whiping them off the map forever.
'Well established' as RA pets ? They are even afraid to be on the map
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Laythun
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:58:00 -
[161]
Originally by: jernej
Originally by: Dekiri First of all goons have OUTPOSTS now again and they are "well established" at the moment wich means that you completly failed in whiping them off the map forever.
'Well established' as RA pets ? They are even afraid to be on the map
Fear keeps you alive until your ready. its not clever to go screaming from the hilltops when the school bully is gunning for u is it?
Better to wait, keep a low profile and hit the gym, til ur ready.
right?
oh damn ur bob u cant agree with me.
CEI's own Undercover Brother [MIA] It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö
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Dekiri
Exanimo Inc
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:59:00 -
[162]
Originally by: jernej
Originally by: Dekiri First of all goons have OUTPOSTS now again and they are "well established" at the moment wich means that you completly failed in whiping them off the map forever.
'Well established' as RA pets ? They are even afraid to be on the map
I can't comment if they are afraid to be on the map, but i know they show up on the steele outpost alert site at least, with 5 outposts afaik. I did not promise they would never be able to live in 0.0 it was Molle.
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Hehulk
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:59:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii BoB dont own fountain, Celest and co do Alliaanna
That is, until we moved in 
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:01:00 -
[164]
Originally by: jernej
Originally by: Dekiri First of all goons have OUTPOSTS now again and they are "well established" at the moment wich means that you completly failed in whiping them off the map forever.
'Well established' as RA pets ? They are even afraid to be on the map
Jernej.. thats a very poor argument... what are poor Xelas and the poor FIXies gonna think now?
According to you they are like goons actually dead and only kept alive by the grace of BoB.
Might wanna re-think that line of thought. 
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Plan Neun
Caldari Ganja Unlimited Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:03:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: jernej
Originally by: Dekiri First of all goons have OUTPOSTS now again and they are "well established" at the moment wich means that you completly failed in whiping them off the map forever.
'Well established' as RA pets ? They are even afraid to be on the map
Jernej.. thats a very poor argument... what are poor Xelas and the poor FIXies gonna think now?
According to you they are like goons actually dead and only kept alive by the grace of BoB.
Might wanna re-think that line of thought. 
Bump

"I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
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thoth foc
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:09:00 -
[166]
d2 jumps on a bandwagon to shoot an industrial corp about half it's size? i know i'm impressed
Does d2 think IAC+RAGOONS+AAA arent good enuff?
Where does d2 see the flaw in the current gangbangers against ISS, that they feel they are better?
It's always sad to see alliances to weak to fight an enemy face to face, 1 on 1.. No respect is deserved for this
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Plan Neun
Caldari Ganja Unlimited Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:27:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: thoth foc d2 jumps on a bandwagon to shoot an industrial corp about half it's size? i know i'm impressed
Does d2 think IAC+RAGOONS+AAA arent good enuff?
Where does d2 see the flaw in the current gangbangers against ISS, that they feel they are better?
It's always sad to see alliances to weak to fight an enemy face to face, 1 on 1.. No respect is deserved for this
Thoth comeon you guys are smarter than that... D2 are trying to draw you out....
This will accomplish two things.
1) It will confirm to their new allies that MC/LV/BoB/ISS etc.. are all in eachothers pocket. thus cementing any new relationship and confirming the wisdom of it in the first place.
2) It draws BoB out to defend what is theirs..... and with every BoB post it becomes more and more obvious that BoB has some huge interests in ISS. ISS neutrality is now history.
Ofc I could be wrong... but thats the picture that is developing.
ISS has never been neutral.
"I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
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Juan Andalusian
TAOSP Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:30:00 -
[168]
Quote: BoB has some huge interests in ISS
And it's all connected with the Xelas station in PNQY.
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Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department

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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:53:00 -
[169]
Cleaned a little, please try and keep flamining to the minimum.
- Thanks Hutch. ____
forum rules | Email us
They call me "Hutch" because my name is well... long
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Butter Dog
Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated
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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:54:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Blacklight Nice outpost, we'll take it? 
Someone pls point me to the 'nice' ISS outpost worth capturing please 
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Christopher Multsanti
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:56:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Ras Blumin
Originally by: DB Preacher In order to destroy BoB, you must..... attack ISS!
Attacking a weaker entity to gain or keep power is all BoB have ever done afaik.
And here we have our thread winner.
It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it?
EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs...
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Karunel
Princeps Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:58:00 -
[172]
Edited by: Karunel on 05/01/2007 14:03:17
Originally by: Blacklight Nice outpost, we'll take it? 
Damn you, I was about to post that. 
Edit: BTW I don't really understand the *****ing by BoB. As I see it if D2 captures some ISS outposts in the South they may be getting a foothold in the region to attack you, isn't that what you want? 
Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
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Karunel
Princeps Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:10:00 -
[173]
Quote:
They are called pets, I don't know what word RA uses for the goons.
So, you're saying that FIX and Xelas are pets? They're probably very happy about your gracious comment. 
Feel free to correct me if I missunderstood.
Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
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Butter Dog
Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:13:00 -
[174]
Actually, in all seriousness, the only reason this move could be considered to make sense (since ISS, being spread across the map and already busy with IAC, can't put up an real resistance to D2) would be if D2 want staging outposts in the South for a war against BoB.
Otherwise, I can't see what the benefit is. There is certainly no challenge involved.
D2 won't get any good fights, thats for sure. Picking on ISS doesnt look good for D2 - people will accuse them of taking the easy option. And not only that, an easy option which is already pretty occupied elsewhere.
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Frygok
Minmatar Mean Anglo-Danes
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:14:00 -
[175]
I don't really get it.
On one side we have DBP telling D2 that they are no more than ASCN, and a sucky carebear alliance.
Yet at the same time we have Bobbits flaming D2 for attacking a smaller entity(and not attacking BoB).
Well, duh! It would be quite pointless to attack BoB if DBP's statement is true, no?
Someone really need to realise this game does not evolve around them and their alliance alone.
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Gutsani
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:16:00 -
[176]
oh plz stfu already all of you.
I can understand why D2 wants to attack ISS, but not what bob has to do with it.. I know about the genuine plan of invading fountain blabla *care*, but i rather see this as an old score to settle and a way to test what they are really worth.
As for BoB, yes i understand your frustration and stuff, but its not like you are directly involved in this, yes? I rather dont see you up north with your big blob of doom, its quite fun down/up here atm <_< but i guess if you care that much, it cant be stopped. By the way, i agree with you .. D2 are nothing better then ASCN except for the fact that they prolly will be able to defend emselve if needed, because of the huge ammount of people they have (napped). But like dbp said, they are a miner alliance ..
So how about we just let D2 shoot ISS? Its not like anything special is gonna happen anyway. ------------------------ Stop reading my siggy! |

DoctorGonzo
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:17:00 -
[177]
Originally by: KIAEddZ As Nez rightly points out, this is a relationship tester.
ISS have some powerful people in thier share portfoliio, have no doubts of that... now we will see a real test (no offense IAC) of what those investors will do to stop ISS going down.
It is fairly simple to know that BoB have a large portion of shares, the old Trust outpost in EC-P was "given" to them by BoB, and we know that ISS have isk to spend on mercs etc.
For me personally... I see this a no brainer, ISS are gonners, they will lose whatever stations D2 wish to take, which by the looks of it is all of them. Bob arent going to move their war machine to help, this would cause an immediate response from RedSwarm and other D2 aligned entities, and anyone else is in consequential, LV being the next largest potential allie for ISS would have no effect on D2s campaign, and more than that redswarm would move in hard on their territory if they sent away the defense forces... LV can only move if Redswarm move.... and RedSwarm will only move if BoB do.
Balls in BoB's court, but they may well not care anywhere near enough to launch it back.
Nice move D2.
You're way off EddZ; we've been -10 with ISS since booting them out of BoB space, months before the EC-P8R incident. You can check this on our killboard, as thereÆs always regular ISS losses on there.
What IÆd like to think, as I still have a few friends in D2, is that they have chosen an 'easy' option to get match fit, so they don't come after Bob with carebear cobwebs clouding their PvP abilities.
However the reality could well be, after all the forum posturing, D2 (G) are still avoiding us and haven't grown any cohones during the last arms race. I hope itÆs the former as weÆre still up for a good ruck following our fun in Feythabolis.
Originally by: Blacklight I think Madeye and CRYVOK have delusions of adequacy!
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:25:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Butter Dog Actually, in all seriousness, the only reason this move could be considered to make sense (since ISS, being spread across the map and already busy with IAC, can't put up an real resistance to D2) would be if D2 want staging outposts in the South for a war against BoB.
Otherwise, I can't see what the benefit is. There is certainly no challenge involved.
D2 won't get any good fights, thats for sure. Picking on ISS doesnt look good for D2 - people will accuse them of taking the easy option. And not only that, an easy option which is already pretty occupied elsewhere.
Well to understand why this move from D2 makes sense ... you have to take a step back and look at the very big picture. And I mean EVE-wide.
In this big picture ISS are but an ant. However, it appears the ant has benefactors. We know that LV will turn up to defend them and that MC will get hired when attacked by a relatively small force like IAC, which in turn brings RAGoonTCF into the mix and AAA. Even without this latest development ISS was still screwed at least in the south. As the balance of power had shifted against them.
Now if certain entities have NAP'd with eachother in preparation for something big.... they may want to know who else will come to ISS' aid, should they turn up the heat.
And lo and behold..... we have a thread full of BoB seemingly very interested in this latest development..... I say the announcement was worth it just to see the various comments in this thread.
If you try to think about this situation in terms of profit and isk and monetary value, you will not see the issue.
Forget about ISK and shares and profit margins or even good fights or anything like that.... this is about power and ego's... what EVE has always been about and always will be... which is why its so much fun.
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:26:00 -
[179]
Originally by: DoctorGonzo
You're way off EddZ; we've been -10 with ISS since booting them out of BoB space, months before the EC-P8R incident. You can check this on our killboard, as thereÆs always regular ISS losses on there.
What IÆd like to think, as I still have a few friends in D2, is that they have chosen an 'easy' option to get match fit, so they don't come after Bob with carebear cobwebs clouding their PvP abilities.
However the reality could well be, after all the forum posturing, D2 (G) are still avoiding us and haven't grown any cohones during the last arms race. I hope itÆs the former as weÆre still up for a good ruck following our fun in Feythabolis.
-10 with ISS... thats all cool, more targets, I understand that, its a policy BoB have lived on for a long time, no one gets + wihtout actually earning it (blowing up ISS pilots ships hardly hurts their economy).
But are you honestly trying to sell to me that when you gave them ECP to manage, no forward ISK generating deal was made with them.....
If that is the case, I'm surprised.
But as I said, I am not expecting BoB to come to ISS rescue, even if you have 10's of billions invested there, i doubt it'll be that much, it still isn't worth your time... unless you see it as a point to lay the smack down on D2, but we all know that will be world war 1, maybe its not the right time for that yet, maybe it is.
Certainly D2 have made thier next move, its a strange one, and does appear to be a little weak, but if nothing else in the forum battle of D2 vs BoB, which is an old one, the ball is back in BoBs court.
KIA EVE Home
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Nacona
Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:26:00 -
[180]
Congradulations to D2 on the new campain ... GL, and here is hoping you find some good fights...
For the record, effective immediately Sparta will be setting ISS and any entities operating in support of ISS to KOS.
Now back to the endless streams of BOB propagada that will hijack this thread 
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:30:00 -
[181]
*opens convo with Enslaver*
*Dear Friend,
Please bring your pwnmobile.
Always yours, Omeega"
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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FowlPlayChiken
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:30:00 -
[182]
Originally by: rodgerd
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken so d2 want Borealis? or is it EC- your after?
Perhaps you should pick on someone your own size. This appears cowardly in my eyes. bawk
Who ran away from who's capital fleet again, to the fury of the client, again?
woh there, 3 angry d2 flame posts in a row! I feel so loved and especial!
let me answer all 3:
1)No
2)Hardly
3)Um...your a week and a half out of date.
Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:32:00 -
[183]
fowl you didn't run away from us.
sel corrupted us with a karaoke song.
but there's just a few ppl knowing that.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Butter Dog
Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:36:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Nacona Congradulations to D2 on the new campain ... GL, and here is hoping you find some good fights...
Did you actually read who they wardecced?
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DiuxDium
Casting Shadows
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:38:00 -
[185]
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken
Originally by: rodgerd
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken so d2 want Borealis? or is it EC- your after?
Perhaps you should pick on someone your own size. This appears cowardly in my eyes. bawk
Who ran away from who's capital fleet again, to the fury of the client, again?
woh there, 3 angry d2 flame posts in a row! I feel so loved and especial!
let me answer all 3:
1)No
2)Hardly
3)Um...your a week and a half out of date.
.....BAWK 
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Pakmule
Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:39:00 -
[186]
I love all this talk of D2 picking on someone smaller and weaker than them. Like every fight should be a slugfest against somoeone bigger and stronger than you. Someone's been watching too many Rocky movies.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:39:00 -
[187]
Best banner ever!
Poor doggie
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Dekiri
Exanimo Inc
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:40:00 -
[188]
Edited by: Dekiri on 05/01/2007 14:41:25 I still fail to see whats weak or strange about D¦ attacking ISS. That was to happen a long time ago. Someone takes your outpost and you take it back... i don't see anything hard to understand about that. That it took them so long is another thing, but the moment is pretty much perfect. Chances that ISS is able to hire a lot of mercs at the moment are slim and the chance that D¦ will get the outpost back with minimal effort is huge...
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:41:00 -
[189]
Good luck to D2 and ISS!
The "sleeping giant" will finally show (some of) their power? :)
Made the node gods treat you kindly! :) -
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Tholarim
Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:42:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: Ras Blumin
Originally by: DB Preacher In order to destroy BoB, you must..... attack ISS!
Attacking a weaker entity to gain or keep power is all BoB have ever done afaik.
And here we have our thread winner.
Well since every alliance in this game is weaker then bob. So we could never really attack someone stronger now could we? I like how the crowd thinks.
But sure as hell a thread winner though chris, all you need now is some pom-poms and you're set.
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Butter Dog
Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:43:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Dekiri Edited by: Dekiri on 05/01/2007 14:41:25 I still fail to see whats weak or strange about D¦ attacking ISS. That was to happen a long time ago. Someone takes your outpost and you take it back... i don't see anything hard to understand about that. That it took them so long is another thing, but the moment is pretty much perfect. Chances that ISS is able to hire a lot of mercs at the moment are slim and the chance that D¦ will get the outpost back with minimal effort is huge...
You need a history lesson.
ISS offered the outpost back to D2. They declined, instead agreeing to be PAID for the outpost.
ISS then paid them over 20bn ISK for the outpost, which by the way is a lump of junk in the most lawless system in game. It only served a purpose to D2 at the time as a Capital Shipyard, which is now based elsewhere anyway.
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Duke Grail
Darkblade Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:44:00 -
[192]
wow... /me puts on Elton John's "Can You Feel The Love Tonight" from Lion King soundtrack.
you can really feel the love for ISS in the eve community. if by love, i mean wanting to toss a torpedo up someones bum. "If there were more people like us... there'ed be more people like us" |

Dekiri
Exanimo Inc
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:45:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Dekiri Edited by: Dekiri on 05/01/2007 14:41:25 I still fail to see whats weak or strange about D¦ attacking ISS. That was to happen a long time ago. Someone takes your outpost and you take it back... i don't see anything hard to understand about that. That it took them so long is another thing, but the moment is pretty much perfect. Chances that ISS is able to hire a lot of mercs at the moment are slim and the chance that D¦ will get the outpost back with minimal effort is huge...
You need a history lesson.
ISS offered the outpost back to D2. They declined, instead agreeing to be PAID for the outpost.
ISS then paid them over 20bn ISK for the outpost, which by the way is a lump of junk in the most lawless system in game. It only served a purpose to D2 at the time as a Capital Shipyard, which is now based elsewhere anyway.
If that is a fact then it changes the picture a little. Still doesn't make the move weak. It makes the move very strange though =)
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Nacona
Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:46:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Nacona Congradulations to D2 on the new campain ... GL, and here is hoping you find some good fights...
Did you actually read who they wardecced?
Did you bother to read the rest of the thread ? 
This is more about seeing who comes out to play then fighting ISS themselves .. 
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hantwo
S.A.S
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:54:00 -
[195]
Originally by: DeathGrip Leave me some targets, they want to keep running there mouths but they always seem to be in pods by time i get to them ;(
you kiss ya momma with that smack mouth?
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Uuve Savisaalo
Umbra Congregatio
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:57:00 -
[196]
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken
2)Hardly
Has the fact that you've helped organise ISSN and were largely behind the northern expansion been lost upon anyone, my alt-tastic friend?
Hardly indeed.
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Znaei
Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:02:00 -
[197]
Dbp, If you think D2 is such an insignifacant alliance, why were you hoping D2 would wardec BoB? Was it so you could get easy kills on D2 or is it, maybe, because you think D2 gives good fights? Tbh, you and your fellow members keep contradicting each other over and over.
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Superbus Maximus
Gallente Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:07:00 -
[198]
Sweet EvE intergalactic war, or guess thats what it would be. I think this will spill over to more than just D2, IAC, and ISS can't wait let the chaos begin. Ha you think thats big wait till you see the next |

Darknesss
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:10:00 -
[199]
i think its a smart move, its common knowledge bob have shares in the EC- Outpost, this is gonna ruin that, they inherit two more outposts themselves, they get their members some action, but most importantly of all they stir something up in the north 
i may shoot d2 but im loving what theyre doing.
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JP Moregain
Gallente EVE Reserve Bank
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:14:00 -
[200]
Dangit, D2 must have read the scenario analysis that I posted in the ISS IPO thread:
Attack ISS and lock down operations Drive down price of shares massively Buy majority of shares on the cheap and then cease attacks, you now have the first real slave corps 
* checks wallet for advisory fee, not there...
Of course Serenity bisatch-slapped me for such silly suggestion.
Best Regards, JP
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Heintron
Caldari Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:15:00 -
[201]
Gl d2 in this campaign and any future ones that might come out of it. And seriously, I'm a bit tired of reading posts by "some people" posting ad hominem fallacies instead of an actual argument. Just tells me "some people" have hubris and I hope to be able to play eve long enough to see "some people" eat up what they post on these forums. |

The Anointed
Caldari StarBug Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:21:00 -
[202]
Edited by: The Anointed on 05/01/2007 15:21:44 lol, I have yet to read the ISS Cassini page. Its funny how it lists under the outpost security section;
Security measures include: - Partial ownership by <BoB> - Partial ownership by <Trust> (<D2>)
Hahaha, well unless BoB have sold their share in the outpost then they still own 3.4bil isk of shares in it (at original sell value). To be honest, you'd be lucky to mobilise one BoB player to save that amount of isk. But that also means that its partly their outpost doesnt it?
I'd love BoB to go help save my investment, erm, I mean their investment, not mine. 
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ceaon
Gallente Porandor
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:22:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Turkantho
Originally by: ceaon GL ISS 
(me ask why so many no related post ? can any clear all that crap plz)
nah it's ok, db got it back he should calm down anytime now
/offtopic
niceeee!!!!!
  
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Kerushi
Caldari BIG R i s e
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:24:00 -
[204]
whipe `m off the map 
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Lowa
Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:28:00 -
[205]
Can everyone just sit back for a week or so? Then we'll see what actually is going on. I just find this pretty cool, I mean come on the signs are there:
- aAa got new siggys - they are good - Omeega and ET is foaming at the mouth when cap ships are mentioned - RED is growing in power - MC sucks apperantly - BoB is finishing of ASCN - D2 has a 1 or 2 Titans and most likely a hefty Dread and Carrier/MS fleet - Nez is vibrating with all the analyzing and social engineering he can do - There are no trit in Empire - I have an itch - ISS stepped in a pile of poo and someone should look into the realestate business
And finaly: - Istvan has been seen posting and talking about ciggars!
EVEpocalypse is coming - Get your stuff in order!
GL HF all!
Cheers, Lowa
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VunnaX
Viper Intel Squad Pure.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:29:00 -
[206]
Originally by: DeathGrip Leave me some targets, they want to keep running there mouths but they always seem to be in pods by time i get to them ;(
Go kill your targets in Impass... oh, wait, you can't... |

DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 16:28:00 -
[207]
Nez, I can only hope that you are playing devil's advocate and not really that silly to miss the whole point of this conversation although I fear it's the latter since you and Eddz first brought BoB up in this conversation.
Let me make it clear.
ISS have nothing to do with BoB at all. If they lost every station in the game it would have no more an effect on our alliance than if CDC lost all their stations (I don't even know if they have any tbh).
The only response here is mine, and it's personal, and it's pretty simple....
Look beyond the tags and think historically about what D2 have done.
Then consider putting them on a pedestal and whether they are worth it or not.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Christopher Multsanti
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.05 16:28:00 -
[208]
Originally by: Tholarim
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: Ras Blumin
Originally by: DB Preacher In order to destroy BoB, you must..... attack ISS!
Attacking a weaker entity to gain or keep power is all BoB have ever done afaik.
And here we have our thread winner.
Well since every alliance in this game is weaker then bob. So we could never really attack someone stronger now could we? I like how the crowd thinks.
But sure as hell a thread winner though chris, all you need now is some pom-poms and you're set.
Well if you had called me on that would have been one fo the reasons I would have said, BOB is the strongest alliance in the game, hence everyone they attack would be weaker.
It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it?
EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs...
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Pehova Mindtriq
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.01.05 16:31:00 -
[209]
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Originally by: Kuolematon D2 could have decced us but they choose easy targets.. way to go! How about BoB? Invade Fountain? Aww, you might get poo-poo .. too bad. Soft targets and ganks 4tw! \o/  
BoB dont own fountain, Celest and co do 
Alliaanna
You know it's mandatory for celes and bob members to flame each other whenever the words "bob", "celest" and "fountain" are put togehter.
It's a curse I tell ya!
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Dekiri
Exanimo Inc
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Posted - 2007.01.05 16:31:00 -
[210]
Originally by: Fuffel
Originally by: DB Preacher Ok.
You all appear to be missing the point I was making.
It has nothing to do with them attacking an industrial alliance.
It has everything to do with people in the first few pages saying "well done, good move, now BoB has to react and the ball is totally in BoB's court because such a powerful entity as D2 has made an attack on something that BoB may have once looked at in the past".
D2 are nothing. They have achieved nothing in game except manage to stay far enough away from us that we haven't completely taken over their territories yet again.
They failed to act when we came to take EC-P8R with the rest of the South the first time and in fact that saw their whole alliance collapse inwards from the sheer stench of defeat that was EC-P8R.
They have failed at every single long term pvp goal they have attempted to set themselves in this game to date with the exclusion of ridding some tiny alliances of their space, which they promptly returned to some other tiny alliances because they simply couldn't hold it by any means at all.
They were kicked around by ASCN and Goonswarm in their last two attempts at moving against any alliance of size and let's not even delve deeper into the mess Outbreak made of them.
Everyone is holding D2 up to the bigger alliances in the game and looking at them to be their saviour from big, bad BoB.
The fact is that you need to look for a new saviour because D2 doesn't have the desire, ability, size or downright balls to scratch our surface.
They will continue to live thier disastrously weak life, pretending they area superpower until we turn up and remove them from their stations while they sit and cry to the rest of eve about how they wish someone, somewhere would stop us.
D2 is not your saviour, they are a weak alliance full of industrialists and new players because for the last two years they have been afraid to do anything that counts in this game and have lost any serious ability to fight with it.
Look elsewhere people, that dog's dynamite has exploded and it blew it's own face off.
dbp
guess I am waiting for the paperback edition - the hard-cover might be to heavy to carry home 
it used to be funny during the gnw and tbh honest I missed these kinds of postings...
could you please eloborate..how and why we suck so hard that its not even worth your attention?
common that cant be all you got
DBP sure got more, but wont show it to such an insignificant alliance as yours =P
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 16:32:00 -
[211]
Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/01/2007 16:33:09
Originally by: Fuffel could you please eloborate..how and why we suck so hard that its not even worth your attention?
common that cant be all you got
How about because you, personally, went crying to SirMolle for help in destroying ASCN because you had no faith in your alliance doing it and then you were abandoned by your alliance mates who called you an idiot and told that you were actually a no-one in the alliance who doesn't have the authority to touch his own pod without the go ahead from your *leaders*.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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jernej
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 16:34:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Ras Blumin
Originally by: Tholarim
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: Ras Blumin
Originally by: DB Preacher In order to destroy BoB, you must..... attack ISS!
Attacking a weaker entity to gain or keep power is all BoB have ever done afaik.
And here we have our thread winner.
Well since every alliance in this game is weaker then bob. So we could never really attack someone stronger now could we? I like how the crowd thinks.
My point wasn't that you shouldn't attack weaker entities, but rather that your members shouldn't criticize others when they do the same.
I think you're missing the point. ISS is just about the weakest target they could choose. Aren't they just a bunch of rich dudes building outposts with other peoples money, then they have a 'pvp' corp and a bunch of mining slave corps that can also fit guns on their ships if really needed. At least they'll get some practice. Seems to me that every time I hear news about D2 it's either they are bogged down in a pos war somewhere, or another pvp corp has left them, or they napped someone again...
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HatePeace LoveWar
Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 16:34:00 -
[213]
Austria & Hungarian Empire (IAC) vs Serbia (ISS).
Only if BoB joins in though, otherwise its more of a USA/UK vs Iraq ordeal.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 16:36:00 -
[214]
Originally by: DB Preacher
ISS have nothing to do with BoB at all. If they lost every station in the game it would have no more an effect on our alliance than if CDC lost all their stations (I don't even know if they have any tbh).
If this is indeed true and there will be no aid forthcoming from BoB for ISS, then yes it does put a question mark on the wisdom of going for ISS, beyond the acquisition of a couple of new outposts. It would also effectively mean nothing in the big picture.
And also it would be a shame as the drama would evaporate from this whole argument. 
And we would simply go back to the same old same old... with BoB picking and chosing who is going to die next.
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D2O HeavyWater
Amarr Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.05 16:37:00 -
[215]
Good luck D2 & hope ISS bring the fight.
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Fuffel
Gallente Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 16:39:00 -
[216]
Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/01/2007 16:33:09
Originally by: Fuffel could you please eloborate..how and why we suck so hard that its not even worth your attention?
common that cant be all you got
How about because you, personally, went crying to SirMolle for help in destroying ASCN because you had no faith in your alliance doing it and then you were abandoned by your alliance mates who called you an idiot and told that you were actually a no-one in the alliance who doesn't have the authority to touch his own pod without the go ahead from your *leaders*.
dbp
so, we are in this togehter?
Acutually it took molle like 1,5 years to understand and execute.
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kublai
Short Attention Span
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Posted - 2007.01.05 16:42:00 -
[217]
Originally by: Jean
Originally by: kublai
Originally by: Attiladehun Well that's a surprise i guess, oh well what a better way to start in 2007 with a wardec eh.
Still wondering why you are picking on iss though?
ISS is known as the epitome of honor, neutrality and fair fighting...ahem.
I forsee a grand empire contract for MC here, unless ofcourse you're willing to risk Capitals vs a foe that can actually oppose you in equal force.
Well, you are merc's so i'm guessing you'll be singing a different tune than you did vs IAC, but please, considering you are merc's and are all abou that "profit over honour" thing, please don't go around accusing others of picking on weaker targets, it screams hypocracy fifty jumps in every direction.
Unless ofcourse you're going to let ISS hire you and your entire fleet for full blown 0.0 warfare, in which case you're welcome to accuse anyone of whatever you like.
Don't pretend to have any knowledge about what happened during the IAC contract, a lot of MC members did/do not know the full scope of the events that occured, let alone you...
Untill we see your name or that of (post with) your main on a killmail related to any MC contract, please keep you inflamatory comments to yourself...
Oh, btw... Mercenaries are paid to be hypocryts, but we prefer to call it unbiased... 
Yes i'm such a well known alt, now arent I?
I did not flame MC's pvp abilities, but it IS a well known fact you're rather unwilling to risk expensive ships when facing an enemy that can actually treathen those ships.
Now this is fine, you're in it for the profit, but you're the last people to go around calling other alliances cowards when they chase profit.
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Orree
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.05 16:42:00 -
[218]
Originally by: Ras Blumin
Originally by: DB Preacher In order to destroy BoB, you must..... attack ISS!
Attacking a weaker entity to gain or keep power is all BoB have ever done afaik.
But it's really cool when they do it.
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Zimi Vlasic
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.01.05 16:42:00 -
[219]
Bob wasn't content with having 95% of the threads here about them so DB Windbag had to go hijack this one with lame propaganda.
If D2 is so insignificant, GTFO of the thread FFS.
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djNME
DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 16:42:00 -
[220]

That covers it.
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MalaMo
TMF
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Posted - 2007.01.05 16:43:00 -
[221]
Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar Austria & Hungarian Empire (IAC) vs Serbia (ISS).
LoL... Oh man. You are so wrong.  ------------- Don't drink and drive, logon to EVE and fly. |

Serilla
The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.05 16:44:00 -
[222]
Originally by: The Anointed */Start Pure speculation*
D2 want to fight BoB, but know what will happen, so they decide to get involved in a cluster bang in the south that always had the potential to draw in BoB.
D2 Smack a bit on the forums, try and make new friends, and wait....
*/End Speculation*
What started as ISS steamrolling IAC (according to ISS posts) has suddenly turned into something pretty epic.
For my own enjoyment I would love to see BoB in there.
ISS isn't only based in the south you know. Also didn't D2/IRON already have ISS at -10 or did they kiss and make up?
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Plymer Ization
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.01.05 16:45:00 -
[223]
Quick! To the bandwagon!! /me makes siren noises
Interesting turn of events... T-GRAD's life should be even more interesting now up at Cassini. GL ISS.
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Orree
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.05 16:50:00 -
[224]
Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/01/2007 14:52:18
Originally by: Tholarim
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: Ras Blumin
Originally by: DB Preacher In order to destroy BoB, you must..... attack ISS!
Attacking a weaker entity to gain or keep power is all BoB have ever done afaik.
And here we have our thread winner.
Well since every alliance in this game is weaker then bob. So we could never really attack someone stronger now could we? I like how the crowd thinks.
Yeah, I always have found that weird.
The same people who whine about BoB being the "most powerful" complain about BoB "attacking weaker alliances."
Well come on, if they're the most powerful, who do you expect them to attack? Concord?
Actually... that could work...
I think the point that you may be missing is best summarized by the age-old phrase:
"Pot. Kettle. Black."
In other words...
Best not to bag on people for doing exactly what you do.
My biggest problem with BoB has always been their attitude that whatever they do is super cool, and whatever anyone else does (even if it is the very same thing) is lame. That's just silly.
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Smoking Mirror
Secret Interests Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 16:53:00 -
[225]
Originally by: D2O HeavyWater Good luck D2 & hope ISS bring the fight.
What fight? ISS is being attacked by IAC, Goonfleet, random pirates, and AAA gank squads -- and now D2. And when D2 sets ISS -10, all their northern NAP-buddies do also, so add all them to the mix. It's really all pretty pointless. There's no fight here.
If D2 wants the northern outposts they'll just take them, which has been true all along. ISS would never have fought D2 and isn't likely to start now. For that matter, D2 was offered Cassini, refused it, and then got paid for it. They didn't want it because it's meaningless.
The point is that D2 gains nothing doing this really. Cassini in particular, but any of them are pretty worthless to D2. They won't make isk for D2 and they provide no particular strategic edge.
What I don't get is why people think attacking ISS draws BoB out. BoB couldn't give a crap about ISS in general and especially about ISS stations in the north. They have no real money in them, and there are plenty of npc stations to use if they want to fight. BoB and ISS were -10, and shoot each other whenever.
It all seems pretty pointless. Enjoy your "war" D2. It won't amount to very much.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 17:00:00 -
[226]
Welcome to the party gentlemen 
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Torquemanda Corteaz
Gallente Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 17:02:00 -
[227]
Originally by: Omeega You're all a bunch of Evil Thug wannabees!
Omeega is KOS! he knows too much!!! 
i hope everybody has fun
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Maltroc
Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 17:03:00 -
[228]
A game ! A little game to move bits and bytes on the screen.Nothing more .Is EvE to hard for you play tetris.
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Murukan
Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2007.01.05 17:13:00 -
[229]
All i have to say is awesome. I will gladly pour myself a drink the day ISS is destroyed as an entity in 0.0 I will also pour myself many drinks before that because well i like to drink.
Lilan cuddle time later?
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 17:33:00 -
[230]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Welcome to the party gentlemen 
I can't help but feel it's a bit greedy. I mean, we already had such a lovely war going.
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Alex Under
Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2007.01.05 17:37:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Dragerest we will see what happens when the puppet is attack will the master come out and show himself.
QFT.
2007 sure is starting with a bang. 
"...Amateurs do it until they get it right, Professionals do it until they can't get it wrong..." |

Fi T'Zeh
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 17:37:00 -
[232]
Would this be relevant ?
Linky ....
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Maud Dib
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.05 17:40:00 -
[233]
gl ISS
Hope ISS survives. Its been one of a few unique things in a game where everybody copies each other and then acts like they reinvented the wheel.
Truthfully though I doubt they will survive in their current capacity.
All alliances fall in the end. There must be players who have been in ten or more failed alliances by now.
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Rennard
Janissaries
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Posted - 2007.01.05 17:42:00 -
[234]
Don't kill ISS, whose haulers am i gonna kill then?
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JA RULER
Caldari Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.05 17:44:00 -
[235]
Looks like since the north is all napped up they are about to invade the south (yeah yeah i know old story) with AAA being there best friends.
Maybe if i was paronoid i would say this may have been planned for a long while? AAA makes trouble in the south with there northern friends waithng. Making the south divided and easy for the north to attack?
Iron AAA and D2 have been working together in Q, catch and delve recently. getting rid of a entity that could provide a large market for the south seems a logical 1st step to me?
anyone have thoughts on this?
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Nina Schnitzel
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Posted - 2007.01.05 17:50:00 -
[236]
Quote: I think you're missing the point. ISS is just about the weakest target they could choose. Aren't they just a bunch of rich dudes building outposts with other peoples money, then they have a 'pvp' corp and a bunch of mining slave corps that can also fit guns on their ships if really needed. At least they'll get some practice. Seems to me that every time I hear news about D2 it's either they are bogged down in a pos war somewhere, or another pvp corp has left them, or they napped someone again...
ah intressting and what is/was ascn ? they also arent the best pvpers in the game, u guys got their titan and thats it "nothing more nothing less". Bob also has grown in the past, and u guys also have a lot of newbies and carebears ;). The fact that d2 attacks iss has a reason u bobbies not understand (or maybe well? ), tactic and strategy is essential to secure a region or more ;). So why is bob curious about it ?
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Csonttoro Runave
Serenity and Unicum Hungarian Corp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 17:59:00 -
[237]
Originally by: MalaMo
Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar Austria & Hungarian Empire (IAC) vs Serbia (ISS).
LoL... Oh man. You are so wrong. 
/signed

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Harisdrop
Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 17:59:00 -
[238]
Soo we get ec- and m-o to camp. Cool
Soo if ISS is not a PVP Alliance, it will be feeling like Xelas vs NBSI in soo many ways..... New NPC NPC Market |

TZeer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2007.01.05 18:06:00 -
[239]
Originally by: JA RULER something
Love your sig 
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Paradoxex
Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 18:18:00 -
[240]
I don't quite understand the premise of BoB posting in here in the first place.
The OP was pretty clear, and had little pretense of insinuation behind it. D2 is at war with ISS. Fight on.
DBP comes in and posts the BoB perspective, inciting a firestorm from D2 and neutral posters. What's ludicrous is the idea that a BoB poster felt the need to come into our thread unannounced and tell us we suck for going about our business.
When an entity truly disregards the power of another, they ignore it. There are a huge amount of alliances in this game, and very few that are any significant concern to others. The ones that don't matter, aren't mentioned. We don't care what they do, and we don't comment on their activities in any notable fashion. They simply don't matter. If D2 was so weak, there'd be no reason to comment on it's happenings, and this thread would have ended at 3 pages.
You, DBP, just can't help yourself though. You have to come in hurling insults, illustrating the collective BoB indignity for all to see. You cry out that we are insignificant miners, while at the same time giving us attention we neither need or care about. You actions contradict the words you just passed through your lips, and the sad thing is you either don't care or lack the intelligence to realize.
Your post has one key problem. Actions speak louder than words.
At the end of the day you are posting because something significant is happening, and it's clear you don't like it. No one here would make the claim that BoB doesn't matter, but quite frankly your alliance simply is not that important.
You'll wait your turn, and no amount of self-effacing posting will hurry along the process. Posts like your first one in this thread take away from your diplomatic prowess and add to the community's perceptions that BoB's posting habits are as silly as its name. You all do well in-game, and you'd be best advised leaving your contributions there and off the forums.
D2 has its own plans, and we'll adhere to them until compelled to change. In the meantime, you'll wait, and you'll cope with not being the darling of the boards for a week or so. Or you can continue to act like D2 doesn't matter and are "weak", all the while showing through you antics that your words couldn't be farther from the truth.
DBP, BoB, feel free to continue to flail on the boards. We have a war to attend to.
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rodgerd
ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 18:19:00 -
[241]
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken
Originally by: rodgerd
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken so d2 want Borealis? or is it EC- your after?
Perhaps you should pick on someone your own size. This appears cowardly in my eyes. bawk
Who ran away from who's capital fleet again, to the fury of the client, again?
woh there, 3 angry d2 flame posts in a row! I feel so loved and especial!
You need to recalibrate your meter. Your post was (probably unintentionally) funny, not rage-inducing.
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken
let me answer all 3:
3)Um...your a week and a half out of date.
But you did run away a week and a half ago, right? Leaving the client unhappy, which, according to your Alliance head, is the measure of failure for MC. So perhaps you shouldn't be throwing around the coward tag too quickly. It makes you look silly. -- Not the opinions of my corp or my alliance. |

James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 18:29:00 -
[242]
Originally by: Maud Dib gl ISS
Hope ISS survives. Its been one of a few unique things in a game where everybody copies each other and then acts like they reinvented the wheel.
Truthfully though I doubt they will survive in their current capacity.
All alliances fall in the end. There must be players who have been in ten or more failed alliances by now.
Losing revenue in any area isn't a good thing but lethally injurious? No, I don't think so. I daresay that the ISS portfolio is going to take a certain amount of punishment, but there's more than one investment project.
On a more serious note, I notice that there would seem to be an ongoing interest in shooting ISS. Now, that's understandable, to paraphrase a certain pirate of my acquantance "You drop good loot". However I can't help but feel that stacking the declarations of war is just remarkably inefficient.
To this end, I shall be drawing up a 'shooting ISS' calendar. Get in touch, and I will pencil you in on your 'slot', and that way you get maximum amount of yield from your target rich environment. I mean, it's clearly a beneficial arrangement to kill just enough that they're always T2 or faction fitted.
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0o0Preatorian0o0
mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.01.05 18:33:00 -
[243]
You, you, and you: Panic. The rest of you, come with me....
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Morgaaan
Gallente Silver Snake Enterprise Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 18:43:00 -
[244]
Edited by: Morgaaan on 05/01/2007 18:44:13 I'm not shure why,but this clip made me think of eve politics :D
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/2007/01/spider-on-drugs.htmlLinkage
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Haros
Redemption Inc
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Posted - 2007.01.05 18:44:00 -
[245]
Edited by: Haros on 05/01/2007 18:45:52 Good luck D2 I think ur the BEST most uber alliance (just to agrivate dbp)
On the point even if ISS is not connected with BOB they are with LV. Even if thats not the reason, maybe D2 want some pvp practice even if it involves 100 ppl snipper fleet at 150km shooting a station already camped by IAC n co or an abandoned station in the north. Maybe the want revenge. Maybe they dont like ISS, which would be suprising since they are such nice ppl spamming POS n forgeting any arrangments with u, not to mention completely neutral  Maybe its because D2 is a carebear industrial alliance and ISS was giving the competition on that field. Maybe the paid Nez to make the post, to **** off BOB. Maybe they have info that the contact lens IRON is looking for in FIX space is actually on auction in an ISS station (and they want to claim it for them selves - backstabers)
No matter the reason, they did it and made an announcent using a cute dog on the banner as well. Bad move imo. Only BOB is allowed to do that. I am ashamed the whole community isnt flaming them. /me petitions to change the rules on announcement threads.
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Serenity Steele
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations
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Posted - 2007.01.05 19:04:00 -
[246]
A few facts need correcting in this thread: - The EC-P8R was conquered by BoB. G/Trust and BoB asked ISS to manage the IPO and station on their collective behalf. - D2 were paid 20bn isk in cash as payment for the outpost by shareholders. - All outposts are managed by the ISS on behalf of diverse groups of shareholders in the game. These players who have shareholdings in the Outpost corporations have as much to lose (ISK) as II when the stations are attacked (POS).
The only other points relevant to mention here are: - The current IPO's profitability is not reliant on ISS outpost corporations, although losing them will require a slight change of location in placement of the 50bn ISK shopping baskets. - That said, ISS takes management of Shareholder investments seriously, and as such, do not treat the potential loss of the outposts as a light matter.
New ISS IPO
 Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.05 19:11:00 -
[247]
lol @ D2
Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No, ****heads, its my text, not yours.
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Darko1107
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.05 19:14:00 -
[248]
Originally by: Elve Sorrow lol @ D2
Lol at you ya lil troll!  ------------------
Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus |

V0rador
Amarr Exanimo Inc
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Posted - 2007.01.05 19:15:00 -
[249]
I just want to be in before the lock :P
Good luck to both side.
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Reeperman
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Posted - 2007.01.05 19:18:00 -
[250]
As a neutral the way I see it is this:-
D2 are a big alliance that shouldnt be picking on a small alliance. So what is Lotka Volterra? D2 have as much right as LV to impose their will on either IAC or ISS.
D2(G) used to own EC-P8R and have legitimate greivences for that (despite the 20bn offer).
So I can't see why this has turned to a BOB thread, although most do eventually anyway.
Just my thoughts, but just keep it clean, if BOB want to help ISS, fair enough, less smack, more pew pew.
---**---**--- Carebear and proud of it ---**---**--- |

Phoenix Pryde
Caldari Infinite Improbability Inc
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Posted - 2007.01.05 19:24:00 -
[251]
Originally by: Serenity Steele A few facts need correcting in this thread: - The EC-P8R was conquered by BoB. G/Trust and BoB asked ISS to manage the IPO and station on their collective behalf. - D2 were paid 20bn isk in cash as payment for the outpost by shareholders.
To correct a few facts:
- The EC-P8R was conquered by BoB. Without even contacting TRUST you (ISS) agreed to take it over and stepped in a can of worms. After BoB was gone TRUST retook it. TRUST opened negotiotiations with ISS. ISS agreed to pay 20b ISK for the Outpost. Ownership was handed to ISS. - After several months and ISS trying to slightly alter that initial agreement with TRUST (as entity it didnt exists anymore, but its 3 financial shareholders did) ISS finally were able to pay back these 20b to the former owners of Viribus Unitis.
So to clarify. Neither G nor D2 as an entity were ever involved in the direct ownership of Viribus Unitis. You only ever dealt with the 3 corps that once made up the TRUST iga and financed the OP. We never ever dealt with a single shareholder, nor ever had a single share in your IPO layout. All we did was a straight ISK deal, OP for ISK.
And finally, that was a simple business transaction between former TRUST IGA and ISS. Essentially it doesnt belong in this thread nor do i believe it has anything to do with the war. The deal took some time, however finally was concluded to both parties satisfaction. Business is business, this is politics ... mixing them does no good.
TRUST Shop // Infinite Improbability Inc [3-I] |

Elve Sorrow
Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.05 19:24:00 -
[252]
Originally by: Darko1107
Originally by: Elve Sorrow lol @ D2
Lol at you ya lil troll! 
I'm merely expressing the opinion of most innocent bystanders. You wanna be called a big boy, you gotta play with the big boys. D2 are unwilling to even try. Like it or not, that's how you look to the (non-NAPed) people in EVE. Although i suppose that actually narrows it down quite a bit. 
P.S. Want a new sig Dorko? 
Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No, ****heads, its my text, not yours.
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Chrony
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 19:26:00 -
[253]
Originally by: OozoO Remember: we are the good guys! 
Oh really? Why dont do enlighten me then? Which abominable deeds have ISS done that they deserve the attention of the good guys?
Im honestly interested in your answer since D2 has allways tried to claim that they are the knights in shining armor of EVE.

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Smoking Mirror
Secret Interests Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 19:38:00 -
[254]
Originally by: Phoenix Pryde
Originally by: Serenity Steele A few facts need correcting in this thread: - The EC-P8R was conquered by BoB. G/Trust and BoB asked ISS to manage the IPO and station on their collective behalf. - D2 were paid 20bn isk in cash as payment for the outpost by shareholders.
To correct a few facts:
- The EC-P8R was conquered by BoB. Without even contacting TRUST you (ISS) agreed to take it over and stepped in a can of worms. After BoB was gone TRUST retook it. TRUST opened negotiotiations with ISS. ISS agreed to pay 20b ISK for the Outpost. Ownership was handed to ISS. - After several months and ISS trying to slightly alter that initial agreement with TRUST (as entity it didnt exists anymore, but its 3 financial shareholders did) ISS finally were able to pay back these 20b to the former owners of Viribus Unitis.
So to clarify. Neither G nor D2 as an entity were ever involved in the direct ownership of Viribus Unitis. You only ever dealt with the 3 corps that once made up the TRUST iga and financed the OP. We never ever dealt with a single shareholder, nor ever had a single share in your IPO layout. All we did was a straight ISK deal, OP for ISK.
And finally, that was a simple business transaction between former TRUST IGA and ISS. Essentially it doesnt belong in this thread nor do i believe it has anything to do with the war. The deal took some time, however finally was concluded to both parties satisfaction. Business is business, this is politics ... mixing them does no good.
So D2 took the money, agreed to the arrangement, and now is attacking ISS.
Good guys r00l!11!
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Yodaron Ballsithor
Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.05 20:02:00 -
[255]
Although I am currently inactive in-game, I am likewise surprised that an alliance the size and supposed stature of D2 would pick on one of the weakest pvp entities in the Eve cluster.
I think Nez was "spot on" with his observation about testing to see who responds. The opposite side of the coin, though, is when a response is forthcoming (I would hope there would be one anyway), it will clear the air regarding who D2 has gone to bed with.
Let's see, shall we take a guess? Why not. AAA, RAGOON, IAC, et. al.
Given that AAA has just acquired some new space at the expense of Axiom Empire, all the while ferrying some freighters to BOB space under the protection of D2 and Iron, it would seem that any serious attack by D2 on ISS will focus around the Catch region in order to allow D2 and Iron to have a staging point from which to assist AAA in attacking BOB.
Tying D2's actions together with Iron now actively (for the last couple of weeks) engaging FIX, it would appear that Iron are testing the Q waters and keeping FIX busy while D2 attempts to establish a foothold in the Catch region. Keeping FIX busy decreases it's likelihood of assisting ISS as it recently did in Prohibition II.
What I find truely funny about this is that when D2 visited FIX several months back they were notified that if it continued FIX would head north and deal with the problem. D2 promptly withdrew. Unless something has changed in those few months, I would think that D2 needs to seriously consider withdrawing again. But, of course, this will not happen as it appears D2 only "grows a pair" when it can obtain the combined strength of several other alliances to assist it in it's goals.
Honestly, and all bravado aside, if D2 want a fight they need to choose a worthwhile enemy and test their metal "mano e mano". This, in a nutshell, is the problem. D2 fears, as DBP has pointed out, that the loss of a good chunck of it's experienced pvpers will heighten the possibility of an early demise for the alliance. Given this, testing against a very weak pvp target allows the pvpers of D2 to build confidence for the real task ahead.
Although I cannot be bothered to read every post in this thread, I have read enough to know that D2 and friends seem to be spending their time trolling MC and BOB because they do not like to face the truth of what their "grand" alliance has become. I wonder what they will say when the wardecs start coming and those they have castigated start farming their industrial machine.
In the end, if what I am postulating proves out to be true, I think D2 will find their plans and goals will ultimately fail in achievement when BOB comes to their very doorstep to end their little carebear "nap" heaven in the North.
Random thought here: I am wondering how D2 can stomach associating with RAGOON given the actions D2 took against the Goons?
Random thought number 2: Did not everyone think that Black Lance leaving for AAA was a prelude to what is coming in the next few months anyway? Remember, D2 and AAA have been napped to each other for a good bit now.
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Turkantho
Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 20:19:00 -
[256]
Originally by: Murukan
Turkantho is an evil man for exposing us poor souls the the addictive power that is known as winterbells
I'm sorry, btw I'm still stuck @75k points /me is a noob ________
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 20:21:00 -
[257]
Whats with all the drama? Two reasons for D2 taking those outposts.
1) Trust wants EC back. 2) D2 will defend them better than ISS will if/when BoB come up north.
Nothing more to it than that. All this self involved 'Oh it's an easy target, oh why don't they attack BoB now.. blahblahblah' get a grip.
Originally by: Victor Ramirez using it to get the layout of a new system and a quick belt-check is about as practical as using Google Earth to see if your car is still in front of your house.
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Claire Lacombe
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.05 20:40:00 -
[258]
I never thought anyone could make me root for D2.
Thanks for the fun read, dbp, but seriously: seek some therapy.
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Turkantho
Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 20:52:00 -
[259]
Originally by: TZeer
Originally by: JA RULER something
Love your sig 
that sig was created by PulloverJohnny, former ASW / STV / XT member he has quit EVE ________
been there, done that, got the t-shirt |

Nadar
Minmatar hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:00:00 -
[260]
Have fun D2  ---
What I write are my own opinions and it does not reflect my corp or alliance opinions, so kindly bugger off.
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FireFoxx80
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:02:00 -
[261]
Originally by: DB Preacher As G they got spanked by us, they failed at EC-P8R
Didn't they get spanked by you, MC, ASCN, and FIX? Not just BoB. 
What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass! |

GO MaZ
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:03:00 -
[262]
Originally by: Turkantho I'm sorry, btw I'm still stuck @75k points /me is a noob
I got to 670k and then failed, couldnt see the screen 
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JA RULER
Caldari Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:11:00 -
[263]
Nope i got it from a fellow fixian (Le Soltueur)
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Turkantho
Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:13:00 -
[264]
well he must have added the FIX parts of it ;) ________
been there, done that, got the t-shirt |

JA RULER
Caldari Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:23:00 -
[265]
lol which are the FIX parts?
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Orree
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:24:00 -
[266]
Edited by: Orree on 05/01/2007 21:24:51
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Hi, I don't really play this game anymore and I can't be arsed to read everything and fully educate myself before I open my mouth, but BoB and FIX rock and D2 (and friends) don't. kthxbye
There ya go. Fixed it for ya. Save yourself some time typing, next time.
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Arrgs
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:29:00 -
[267]
Buying ISS shares 1 isk per 100! convo me!
My first video!
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Lunamariea Hawke
Gallente Combined industrial
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:30:00 -
[268]
Hmm, more back stabbing and cowardice from d2? it would be nice to see d2 without their pvp friends (razor and iron) fight bob alliance to alliance. lets have a proper fight not a wardec on an alliance already tied up elsewhere, battering ISS will hardly either win many friends or bring battle honours.
its the fight that the whole game would love to see d2 vs bob. But somehow i dont think they are up to that.
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Malookai
Caldari Momentum.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:31:00 -
[269]
sold to the man in the black hat
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Player One
Minmatar Die wilde 13
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:32:00 -
[270]
3 POS in reinforced Mode, ISS is unanchoring POS Modules in P-2TTL now 0o free Outpost for D2?
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:36:00 -
[271]
LTS: Tinfoil
Special price for bulk orders.
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Damn what happens to all those people whose self esteem doesnt depend on eve then?
Oh right, I'm asking in the wrong place
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scabbsssjr
Gallente M'8'S
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:39:00 -
[272]
Originally by: Arrgs Buying ISS shares 1 isk per 100! convo me!
I will offer 3isk per share, limited time deal.
What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp. |

scabbsssjr
Gallente M'8'S
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:41:00 -
[273]
Originally by: FireFoxx80
Originally by: DB Preacher As G they got spanked by us, they failed at EC-P8R
Didn't they get spanked by you, MC, ASCN, and FIX? Not just BoB. 
I thought MC and FIX were BOB alts? jkin, but still 3/4 would be probally be after D2 if it did happen. That would be enough unless all the naps in the north held. What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp. |

DHB FooFighter
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:59:00 -
[274]
Good Luck D2!
Can we borrow some of your dreads? Sieging KDF is going really slow :\
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Yodaron Ballsithor
Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.05 22:11:00 -
[275]
Originally by: Orree Edited by: Orree on 05/01/2007 21:24:51
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Hi, I don't really play this game anymore and I can't be arsed to read everything and fully educate myself before I open my mouth, but BoB and FIX rock and D2 (and friends) don't. kthxbye
There ya go. Fixed it for ya. Save yourself some time typing, next time.
lol. Now you will get a warning from mods. lol.
Either way, think as you will. You would be surprised how much I read, talk and know. 
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vladdy2
VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.05 22:33:00 -
[276]
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Originally by: Orree Edited by: Orree on 05/01/2007 21:24:51
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Hi, I don't really play this game anymore and I can't be arsed to read everything and fully educate myself before I open my mouth, but BoB and FIX rock and D2 (and friends) don't. kthxbye
There ya go. Fixed it for ya. Save yourself some time typing, next time.
lol. Now you will get a warning from mods. lol.
Either way, think as you will. You would be surprised how much I read, talk and know. 
@ FIX vs. IRON
bah IRON is just down here cuz Sorja lost his contact lense and we need it to find our 4 lost Mothers!!!   ---------------------------------
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Lunamariea Hawke
Gallente Combined industrial
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Posted - 2007.01.05 22:35:00 -
[277]
a little thought. this game is not all about fighting. If D2 took the pure blind outposts then they would almost certainly be lost to the eve general population for docking, this would be a sad loss of a playable area that many people good and bad enjoy.
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Seppel da'FinNI
Cataclysm Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.01.05 22:51:00 -
[278]
Originally by: Lunamariea Hawke a little thought. this game is not all about fighting. If D2 took the pure blind outposts then they would almost certainly be lost to the eve general population for docking, this would be a sad loss of a playable area that many people good and bad enjoy.
you are RIGHT, its about grieving and quality flammage on the forums. maybe we are doing this, maybe that, I dont know, Ill see once the screen loads after jumping. life's a game - sometimes you loose, most times others win.
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Murukan
Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2007.01.05 22:57:00 -
[279]
Originally by: Lunamariea Hawke a little thought. this game is not all about fighting. If D2 took the pure blind outposts then they would almost certainly be lost to the eve general population for docking, this would be a sad loss of a playable area that many people good and bad enjoy.
awww weren't you the person who had big beautiful carebear tears last time D2 attacked ISS?
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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Rippey
Minmatar hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.05 23:07:00 -
[280]
Have a blast D2 :) or 2 :) or 10 :)
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JA RULER
Caldari Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.05 23:13:00 -
[281]
Looks like IAC, D2, AAA and friends have already started on ISS. 700 + pilots in ISS systems doing good knows what.
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Muesli Monster
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Posted - 2007.01.05 23:20:00 -
[282]
Originally by: JA RULER Looks like IAC, D2, AAA and friends have already started on ISS. 700 + pilots in ISS systems doing good knows what.
I think they are doing what they ought to do, outblob McFIX/LV/ISS/n00bs... and this siege, wont be chickened out because of contract "expiration/fulfillment" |

Serenity Steele
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations
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Posted - 2007.01.05 23:47:00 -
[283]
Originally by: Phoenix Pryde
Originally by: Serenity Steele A few facts need correcting in this thread: - The EC-P8R was conquered by BoB. G/Trust and BoB asked ISS to manage the IPO and station on their collective behalf. - D2 were paid 20bn isk in cash as payment for the outpost by shareholders.
To correct a few facts:
- The EC-P8R was conquered by BoB. Without even contacting TRUST you (ISS) agreed to take it over and stepped in a can of worms. After BoB was gone TRUST retook it. TRUST opened negotiotiations with ISS. ISS agreed to pay 20b ISK for the Outpost. Ownership was handed to ISS. - After several months and ISS trying to slightly alter that initial agreement with TRUST (as entity it didnt exists anymore, but its 3 financial shareholders did) ISS finally were able to pay back these 20b to the former owners of Viribus Unitis.
So to clarify. Neither G nor D2 as an entity were ever involved in the direct ownership of Viribus Unitis. You only ever dealt with the 3 corps that once made up the TRUST iga and financed the OP. We never ever dealt with a single shareholder, nor ever had a single share in your IPO layout. All we did was a straight ISK deal, OP for ISK.
And finally, that was a simple business transaction between former TRUST IGA and ISS. Essentially it doesnt belong in this thread nor do i believe it has anything to do with the war. The deal took some time, however finally was concluded to both parties satisfaction. Business is business, this is politics ... mixing them does no good.
Nope.
ISS didn't have 20bn isk to pay for it, so your perspective is just plain impossible. ISS Ran an IPO to sell the outpost as a solution for the other parties/corps/whoever-later-joined-D2 plus BoB. If the shares didn't sell, you wouldn't have received a 0.1 isk.
As for 'reconquered it' to force a position for 20bn, well that's simply hilarious. If ISS had 30bn isk in ISSCA and no outpost, I could and would more easily and sensibly just dividend 100% of the funds back to the investors.
In either case, I guess the victor tells the story. It used to be the eve-public shareholders 
New ISS IPO
 Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
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Murukan
Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2007.01.05 23:53:00 -
[284]
SO serenity are you and count going to just run off with all that ipo money
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 23:54:00 -
[285]
Originally by: Murukan SO serenity are you and count going to just run off with all that ipo money
many parts of the ipo works with out the outpost.
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
http://www.sloganizer.net/en/image,Lilan-spc-Kahn,white,black.png |

Muesli Monster
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Posted - 2007.01.05 23:57:00 -
[286]
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Originally by: Murukan SO serenity are you and count going to just run off with all that ipo money
many parts of the ipo works with out the outpost.
Should I take that as a yes?  |

Murukan
Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2007.01.05 23:59:00 -
[287]
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Originally by: Murukan SO serenity are you and count going to just run off with all that ipo money
many parts of the ipo works with out the outpost.
lilan stop ruining my fun
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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KIATheClash
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.01.06 00:13:00 -
[288]
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Originally by: Darko1107
Originally by: Elve Sorrow lol @ D2
Lol at you ya lil troll! 
I'm merely expressing the opinion of most innocent bystanders. You wanna be called a big boy, you gotta play with the big boys. D2 are unwilling to even try. Like it or not, that's how you look to the (non-NAPed) people in EVE. Although i suppose that actually narrows it down quite a bit. 
P.S. Want a new sig Dorko? 
So when does LV goes to war with BoB ? Mods this is currently my main .
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Miss Lilly
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.06 00:27:00 -
[289]
Originally by: DHB FooFighter Good Luck D2!
Can we borrow some of your dreads? Sieging KDF is going really slow :\
Please contact me for the price, for our 50+ dreads.
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Kathar Narka
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.06 00:30:00 -
[290]
Originally by: KIATheClash
So when does LV goes to war with BoB ?
uh hey there guys & all. o/
In staying on topic, 'when does CVA goes ta wore wit UNITY ? it's a relly guud question we all wanta no in eve. '
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BlackDog Rackh'am
Minmatar Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.06 00:32:00 -
[291]
Originally by: DB Preacher
D2 is not your saviour, they are a weak alliance full of industrialists and new players because for the last two years they have been afraid to do anything that counts in this game and have lost any serious ability to fight with it.dbp
Ok, i'll take your word for it. I mean, they were very good during E-R's short stint in D2, but let's say that they have really gone downhill in the meantime. Let's assume for a second that you are 100% correct.
If they are so god damn useless, why are you so obsessed with them? If they are so much worse than ASCN why are you keen on provoking them to "bring it" and attack you? So you can have another non-event, another disapointing, no-challenge campaign and bore your collective membership to tears? A membership that, as stated countless times by your side, thrives on challenges?
If D2 are useless with delusions of grandeur, why are they worth so much of your time, time devoted posting here instead of playing the game you oh,so love and cherish? The only possible explanation is that you are terribly bored at work mate and looking to stir some stuff up just for the fun of it.
I'm not a dogmatic person in the slightest. I'm willing to go along with your line of thought 100% and i can't find any reason following said "logic" for you to crave D2's attention in a war scenario. Please enlighten me. Are you genuinely bothered? Are you bored and just ripping on them for laughs and giggles? Or have we stumbled across the shocking discovery that South Park's very own Eric Cartman is a real person that plays EVE and on top of that, one among the BoB leadership? Because for the life of me, i have yet to see such a monumental display of selective reasoning and contradiction anywhere else 
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BuIIseye
Amarr Atomic Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.06 00:33:00 -
[292]
And yet another big battle was waged ... on the forums 
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2007.01.06 00:45:00 -
[293]
Holy crap theres some rubbish being posted in this thread.
Theres also one or two really astute posts that were a pleasure to read. Thanks for that!
GL D2. I'm glad ISS is getting knocked down a peg, I didn't expect it to be from you guys but sometimes the game holds plesant surprises!
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Darko1107
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.06 00:47:00 -
[294]
DBP is hilarious in this thread. 
Hes like a broken record, the record is "Bull****: Greatist Hits" and it just keeps on spinning.
Shame no1's listening.
Btw DBP, you might wanna explain what an alliance needs to do in order to be classified as "acheiving something". Might help everyone understand your point, however poor it may be.
Otherwise i would just step away from the computer now because you are clearly getting over frustrated about something very unimportant.   
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Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus |

James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.06 01:18:00 -
[295]
Originally by: DHB FooFighter Good Luck D2!
Can we borrow some of your dreads? Sieging KDF is going really slow :\
22 shield hardeners was it? That's a lot of stront.
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Sir maxstir
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Posted - 2007.01.06 01:19:00 -
[296]
D2 is ascn JR. according to Bob
except they just took out pure with 60 dreads,
i guess they where doing something smart up north
ps: Bob heres a war you want :p just wait for them to come knocking
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Mss Alt
Gallente The Alt Foundation
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Posted - 2007.01.06 01:37:00 -
[297]
DBP gone berserk Deja vu anybody?
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Atomic Mayhem
Morticus Impendium
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Posted - 2007.01.06 01:43:00 -
[298]
Have fun out there D2. And calm down dbp, nobody really cares what u write anyhow
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ElweSingollo
Starlancers
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Posted - 2007.01.06 02:17:00 -
[299]
Edited by: ElweSingollo on 06/01/2007 02:22:12 Edited by: ElweSingollo on 06/01/2007 02:17:50
Originally by: FireFoxx80
Originally by: DB Preacher As G they got spanked by us, they failed at EC-P8R
Didn't they get spanked by you, MC, ASCN, and FIX? Not just BoB. 
nah the below picture can't have been taken at EC-P Fire doesn't fit in with the BoB history of Eve....
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Lancer/Fun_in_EC-P.jpg
Altho from memory it was ASCN, BoB, LV mainly that were there don't recall there being MC or FIX about but there might have been.
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hired goon
Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.06 02:54:00 -
[300]
Originally by: Darko1107
Btw DBP, you might wanna explain what an alliance needs to do in order to be classified as "acheiving something".
Maybe if we achieved as much as ASCN we'd be able to stand up to the might of BoB! Because, they certainly did a good job! -omg-
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PanzerGrenadier
Caldari Templars of Space CORE.
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Posted - 2007.01.06 03:00:00 -
[301]
D2 gets all the fun :(
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Elendar
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.06 03:16:00 -
[302]
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken so d2 want Borealis? or is it EC- your after?
Perhaps you should pick on someone your own size. This appears cowardly in my eyes. bawk
pot kettle black
Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry Xirt must be one of the GREAT leaders in eve to keep you guys shooting shuttles in hophib
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Sorja
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.06 03:20:00 -
[303]
Originally by: Turkantho nah it's ok, db got it back he should calm down anytime now
OMG !!! Now you owe me a new keyboard mate, for the Coke you made me spill over it 
@dbp: don't let the foam come to your lips dude, your aggressiveness is somewhat disturbing and, frankly, uncalled for in a video game. Go have a walk, meet friends, drink a beer, stuff like that  ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not. |

j0sephine
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.06 03:56:00 -
[304]
"I'm not shure why,but this clip made me think of eve politics :D
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/2007/01/spider-on-drugs.htmlLinkage"
tbh this one is more like EVE politics; on all the wrong levels, too :s
(fair warning, link content very NSFW)
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Shardrael
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.01.06 04:06:00 -
[305]
Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am
Originally by: DB Preacher
D2 is not your saviour, they are a weak alliance full of industrialists and new players because for the last two years they have been afraid to do anything that counts in this game and have lost any serious ability to fight with it.dbp
Ok, i'll take your word for it. I mean, they were very good during E-R's short stint in D2, but let's say that they have really gone downhill in the meantime. Let's assume for a second that you are 100% correct.
If they are so god damn useless, why are you so obsessed with them? If they are so much worse than ASCN why are you keen on provoking them to "bring it" and attack you? So you can have another non-event, another disapointing, no-challenge campaign and bore your collective membership to tears? A membership that, as stated countless times by your side, thrives on challenges?
If D2 are useless with delusions of grandeur, why are they worth so much of your time, time devoted posting here instead of playing the game you oh,so love and cherish? The only possible explanation is that you are terribly bored at work mate and looking to stir some stuff up just for the fun of it.
I'm not a dogmatic person in the slightest. I'm willing to go along with your line of thought 100% and i can't find any reason following said "logic" for you to crave D2's attention in a war scenario. Please enlighten me. Are you genuinely bothered? Are you bored and just ripping on them for laughs and giggles? Or have we stumbled across the shocking discovery that South Park's very own Eric Cartman is a real person that plays EVE and on top of that, one among the BoB leadership? Because for the life of me, i have yet to see such a monumental display of selective reasoning and contradiction anywhere else 
because D2 are the first in a long time to actually put a little fear towards bob, not so much of what they are capable of on their own, but because while they are capable they will not be alone.
whats coming is blatantly obvious the result is not, and thus the source of fear.
dont get me wrong I am sure this is most of BOBs wet dream to have as many targets, either way now is when the real fireworks start
GNW... bleh South anticlimax war... bleh the universe of eve battling itself, 
to quote someone I saw on these forums "lets see if we can destroy the servers and light iceland on fire" 
Originally by: Stamm Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.
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Some Character
Has an opinion that he would like to tell EVERYONE
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Posted - 2007.01.06 04:16:00 -
[306]
Originally by: Darko1107 Btw DBP, you might wanna explain what an alliance needs to do in order to be classified as "acheiving something". Might help everyone understand your point, however poor it may be.
I think I can field this one: In order for you to have "accomplished something in this game" you need to have, by my checklist...
-Post incessantly on the forums --about how no one else has accomplished anything -Be a member of a Band of Brothers corporation -Have personally killed over thirty aurora agents --at least five of which in real life ---at least two of which you must have the actual skulls for -Personally solo'd a large, combat-ready POS in a rifter using pulse lasers -Personally solo'd a dominix in a caracal with all hislots filled with Drone Link Augmentors -Insert as many
unneeded linebreaks
into your so-ca
lled "writing"
as
you
possibly
can. -Have made vague, sweeping generalizations about the community at large and what is "best" for it. -Pretend you aren't dropping into a flop-sweat as you realize that the rest of the game, those people who haven't achieved anything, have, in fact, found the map to their ass, has lifted themselves out of their chair, and is getting on the warpath and just may show you how much someone who's never achieved anything can actually achieve.
I think this is right, can someone get a confirmation from dbp about that?
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Deija Vu
Minmatar ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.06 04:46:00 -
[307]
and this is why I play eve instead of WOW ....

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Beringe
Caldari Raptus Regaliter
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Posted - 2007.01.06 05:51:00 -
[308]
Frankly, those trading outposts will become nearly worthless once only D2-napped entities can dock.
I can hardly understand why they'd bother taking them over. ------------------------------------------- "Sarcasm and irony are not to be used by the uninitiated."
--Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles-- |

McDan
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.06 05:53:00 -
[309]
Edited by: McDan on 06/01/2007 05:51:55 Wow, your first offensive campaign and you nap everyone in order to attack a neutral alliance who have little chance of defending themselves? You could at least have picked a time when they were not at war on the other side of the map.
Well done though, good job.
McDan
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nickky01
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2007.01.06 05:54:00 -
[310]
Originally by: Beringe Frankly, those trading outposts will become nearly worthless once only D2-napped entities can dock.
I can hardly understand why they'd bother taking them over.
wts: clue
should have listened when they told you to sell your shares man.
or keep em, and wait FOR ROUND 2 YEAH -------------------------------------------
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Oh and IAC's official response to ISS's offer is lollerskates.
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Beringe
Caldari Raptus Regaliter
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Posted - 2007.01.06 05:57:00 -
[311]
Originally by: nickky01
Originally by: Beringe Frankly, those trading outposts will become nearly worthless once only D2-napped entities can dock.
I can hardly understand why they'd bother taking them over.
wts: clue
should have listened when they told you to sell your shares man.
or keep em, and wait FOR ROUND 2 YEAH
Uh, what?
I'll buy that clue, if it helps translate your post. ------------------------------------------- "Sarcasm and irony are not to be used by the uninitiated."
--Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles-- |

Kathar Narka
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.06 06:58:00 -
[312]
Originally by: Darko1107 the record is "Bull****: Greatist Hits"...
Greatest is actually spelled Greatest, 'jeenyus'.
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Nebba Kenezzer
Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.06 07:06:00 -
[313]
Originally by: Kathar Narka
Originally by: KIATheClash
So when does LV goes to war with BoB ?
uh hey there guys & all. o/
In staying on topic, 'when does CVA goes ta wore wit UNITY ? it's a relly guud question we all wanta no in eve. '
Kathar Narka speaks the truth!
Nebba - The Vocal Majority
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The Armin
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.06 07:07:00 -
[314]
Originally by: Kathar Narka Greatest is actually spelled Greatest, 'jeenyus'.
"We have a 10-2 situation here guys, someone just made a typo." The Dictionary Police to the rescue!!1
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thoradh
AirHawk Alliance Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.06 07:23:00 -
[315]
Originally by: Some Character
Originally by: Darko1107 Btw DBP, you might wanna explain what an alliance needs to do in order to be classified as "acheiving something". Might help everyone understand your point, however poor it may be.
I think I can field this one: In order for you to have "accomplished something in this game" you need to have, by my checklist...
-Post incessantly on the forums --about how no one else has accomplished anything -Be a member of a Band of Brothers corporation -Have personally killed over thirty aurora agents --at least five of which in real life ---at least two of which you must have the actual skulls for -Personally solo'd a large, combat-ready POS in a rifter using pulse lasers -Personally solo'd a dominix in a caracal with all hislots filled with Drone Link Augmentors -Insert as many
unneeded linebreaks
into your so-ca
lled "writing"
as
you
possibly
can. -Have made vague, sweeping generalizations about the community at large and what is "best" for it. -Pretend you aren't dropping into a flop-sweat as you realize that the rest of the game, those people who haven't achieved anything, have, in fact, found the map to their ass, has lifted themselves out of their chair, and is getting on the warpath and just may show you how much someone who's never achieved anything can actually achieve.
I think this is right, can someone get a confirmation from dbp about that?
     > > Noli illegitimi carborundum! > |

Kathar Narka
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.06 07:25:00 -
[316]
Edited by: Kathar Narka on 06/01/2007 07:21:34
Originally by: The Armin
Originally by: Kathar Narka Greatest is actually spelled Greatest, 'jeenyus'.
"We have a 10-2 situation here guys, someone just made a typo." The Dictionary Police to the rescue!!1
Oh, I couldn't resist. Only because he was on a roll, so proudly tap-dancing atop his little "I'm cooler than dbp" bandwagon. Otherwise, I could have cared less.
It's people like Darko's perception that is broken, rather than the record. The "Greatist Hits" keep repeating because the facts never seem to change.
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mamolian
Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.06 07:27:00 -
[317]
Man I love this game.. logging in to see something so totally unexpected right on my doorstep..
CCP will have my subscription for many months or even years to come.
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Kathar Narka
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.06 07:54:00 -
[318]
Originally by: Some Character
Originally by: Darko1107 Btw DBP, you might wanna explain what an alliance needs to do in order to be classified as "acheiving something". Might help everyone understand your point, however poor it may be.
I think I can field this one: In order for you to have "accomplished something in this game" you need to have, by my checklist...
-Insert as many
unneeded linebreaks
into your so-ca
lled "writing"
as
you
possibly
can.
I think this is right, can someone get a confirmation from dbp about that?
Hm, a GOONSWARM alt I reckon?
You were droving on about the same exact thing in BE's teamspeak during one of the extended downtimes.
This was followed by you (or one of your m8's) saying you couldn't wait until dbp, blacklight, or diana entered the room b/c you were going to "have a field day" on them. Upon entrance, ofc, by blacklight and a few of us other bob members - you weren't having a field day on anybody.
But you sounded really neat saying it.
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Vince Draken
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.06 09:12:00 -
[319]
Is this a serious thread or a joke?
D2 sends Trit-man to make a post about the northern nap coalition attacking an iss out post? Whats the matter, wouldnt they sign a NAP with you too?
9/10 for comedy .01/10 for effort
The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such. |

vladdy2
VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.06 09:53:00 -
[320]
Edited by: vladdy2 on 06/01/2007 09:53:36 @ Kathar Nacka
Quote:
Hm, a GOONSWARM alt I reckon?
You were droving on about the same exact thing in BE's teamspeak during one of the extended downtimes.
Droving??
Drove \Drove\, v. t. & i. [imp. & p. p. Droved; p. pr. & vb. n. Droving.] [Cf. Drove, n., and Drover.] 1. To drive, as cattle or sheep, esp. on long journeys; to follow the occupation of a drover.
He's droving now with Conroy's sheep along the Castlereagh. --Paterson.
2. To finish, as stone, with a drove or drove chisel.
so you're saying the guy was herding Sheep on TS before Bob entered TS room?   ---------------------------------
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Roger Douglas
Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.06 09:57:00 -
[321]
Vince Draken: Quote: Is this a serious thread or a joke?
Ask ISS? I'm sure you'll find out fairly quickly. Such a copy/paste response is not worthy of the feared forum warriors reputation of BOB.
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Vince Draken
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.06 10:04:00 -
[322]
Originally by: Roger Douglas Vince Draken: Quote: Is this a serious thread or a joke?
Ask ISS? I'm sure you'll find out fairly quickly. Such a copy/paste response is not worthy of the feared forum warriors reputation of BOB.
Yet you took the time to turn your modulated stripminers off to post a reply.
The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such. |

Azzaa
Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.06 10:06:00 -
[323]
Edited by: Azzaa on 06/01/2007 10:02:28
Originally by: Ovaron From today, Dusk and Dawn are in state of war with ISS!
Have Fun
welcome to the party and please enjoy your stay :)
My little message to ISS
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.01.06 10:15:00 -
[324]
Originally by: Vince Draken
Originally by: Roger Douglas Vince Draken: Quote: Is this a serious thread or a joke?
Ask ISS? I'm sure you'll find out fairly quickly. Such a copy/paste response is not worthy of the feared forum warriors reputation of BOB.
Yet you took the time to turn your modulated stripminers off to post a reply.
I think he turned them off to shoot ISS first. Hence the thread, smartass.
Originally by: Nev Clavain If a war of such scale does go down the sheer forum activity will probably put the server down for good.
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Centauris
Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.06 12:26:00 -
[325]
Originally by: Butter Dog Actually, in all seriousness, the only reason this move could be considered to make sense (since ISS, being spread across the map and already busy with IAC, can't put up an real resistance to D2) would be if D2 want staging outposts in the South for a war against BoB.
Otherwise, I can't see what the benefit is. There is certainly no challenge involved.
D2 won't get any good fights, thats for sure. Picking on ISS doesnt look good for D2 - people will accuse them of taking the easy option. And not only that, an easy option which is already pretty occupied elsewhere.
That is such a bad thing? nothing wrong with an easier option aslong as it reaches the harder longterm goal!
and like no other alliance has taken the "easy option"
Making ISK is the name of the game. Those who say otherwise are either poor bastards or liars!
"Kill, Collect, Sell" |

Elve Sorrow
Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.06 13:55:00 -
[326]
Originally by: KIATheClash So when does LV goes to war with BoB ?
I dont think you quite get the irony in your statement, so let me illustrate:
Random D2/IRON/whatever pilots: "Haha RA pwn, Goon pwn, theyre the best, LV sucks."
Awesome LV pilot (me): "D2, why dont you go fight a real enemy?"
Random dude (you): "LV, why don't you attack BoB?"
I hope you understand? Any more simpler terms and id be using kindergarten phrases.
Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No, ****heads, its my text, not yours.
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Karina Harington
Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.06 14:11:00 -
[327]
Please excuse me while I laugh at a member of "The Coalition" complaining about a gang bang 
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Luthien Firefoot
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.06 14:18:00 -
[328]
Originally by: 0o0Preatorian0o0 You, you, and you: Panic. The rest of you, come with me....
lmfao this may go in my bio 
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.06 14:20:00 -
[329]
Darko, save me, you're surrounded by idiots. 
Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No, ****heads, its my text, not yours.
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Karina Harington
Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.06 14:22:00 -
[330]
Originally by: Elve Sorrow Darko, save me, you're surrounded by idiots. 
Aww bless, I annoyed him 
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HellSpeed
angels of darkness LTD Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.06 14:23:00 -
[331]
Originally by: OozoO Remember: we are the good guys! 
lol 
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.06 14:25:00 -
[332]
Originally by: Karina Harington
Originally by: Elve Sorrow Darko, save me, you're surrounded by idiots. 
Aww bless, I annoyed him 
Not atall, and Dorko knows me, he'll know exactly what i mean.
You, on the other hand, managed to miss the point of, well, every single sentence ive uttered up to this point. Which doesnt annoy me, as you appear to think. It amuses me.
Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No, ****heads, its my text, not yours.
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Karunel
Princeps Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.06 14:29:00 -
[333]
It's ok, Dutchie, don't get annoyed, just enjoy the fireworks! 
Forums sure are interesting nowadays. Pew pew!
Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.06 14:36:00 -
[334]
Forums sure are interesting, ill give you that. Ain't much fun in just the forums though, gotta play occasionally.
Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No, ****heads, its my text, not yours.
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Xendie
Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.06 15:20:00 -
[335]
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Originally by: KIATheClash So when does LV goes to war with BoB ?
I dont think you quite get the irony in your statement, so let me illustrate:
Random D2/IRON/whatever pilots: "Haha RA pwn, Goon pwn, theyre the best, LV sucks."
Awesome LV pilot (me): "D2, why dont you go fight a real enemy?"
Random dude (you): "LV, why don't you attack BoB?"
I hope you understand? Any more simpler terms and id be using kindergarten phrases.
thats funny :P so why didnt LV, ISS, MC, FIX shoot bob instead of IAC ?
Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
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McTrade
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Posted - 2007.01.06 15:44:00 -
[336]
Edited by: McTrade on 06/01/2007 15:42:16 Edited by: McTrade on 06/01/2007 15:41:15 wrong char
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McDan
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.06 15:46:00 -
[337]
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Originally by: KIATheClash So when does LV goes to war with BoB ?
I dont think you quite get the irony in your statement, so let me illustrate:
Random D2/IRON/whatever pilots: "Haha RA pwn, Goon pwn, theyre the best, LV sucks."
Awesome LV pilot (me): "D2, why dont you go fight a real enemy?"
Random dude (you): "LV, why don't you attack BoB?"
I hope you understand? Any more simpler terms and id be using kindergarten phrases.
thats funny :P so why didnt LV, ISS, MC, FIX shoot bob instead of IAC ?
because IAC were the aggressors?
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.01.06 18:22:00 -
[338]
Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 06/01/2007 18:19:14
Originally by: McDan
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Originally by: KIATheClash So when does LV goes to war with BoB ?
I dont think you quite get the irony in your statement, so let me illustrate:
Random D2/IRON/whatever pilots: "Haha RA pwn, Goon pwn, theyre the best, LV sucks."
Awesome LV pilot (me): "D2, why dont you go fight a real enemy?"
Random dude (you): "LV, why don't you attack BoB?"
I hope you understand? Any more simpler terms and id be using kindergarten phrases.
thats funny :P so why didnt LV, ISS, MC, FIX shoot bob instead of IAC ?
because ISS were the aggressors?
Fixed.
Originally by: Nev Clavain If a war of such scale does go down the sheer forum activity will probably put the server down for good.
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.06 18:32:00 -
[339]
Rather pointless argument. IAC threatened ISS, ISS responded with a preemptive strike. Would IAC have gone after ISS if they hadnt? Yes, and i dont think anyone doubts this.
But that's not what you wanted to hear ofcourse, and tbh this has been discussed plenty of times before. I shall give you my answer:
We helped ISS because they are valuable to us. IAC, on the other hand, are not. Furthermore, IAC found it funny to join in (well, send a few ganksquads and then claim they helped) on the gangbang in 1v-. Which is all well and good, but don't expect it to go unnoticed. The opportunity for payback arrose and we, err, gangbanged you back.
Make sense?
Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No, ****heads, its my text, not yours.
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Vince Draken
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.06 18:35:00 -
[340]
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Originally by: Vince Draken
Originally by: Roger Douglas Vince Draken: Quote: Is this a serious thread or a joke?
Ask ISS? I'm sure you'll find out fairly quickly. Such a copy/paste response is not worthy of the feared forum warriors reputation of BOB.
Yet you took the time to turn your modulated stripminers off to post a reply.
I think he turned them off to shoot ISS first. Hence the thread, smartass.
Somehow I doubt. Odds are he is busy planning to war profiter his own alliance m8's with over priced ships and modules like they did when 5 invaded xetic.
The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such. |

Some Character
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.01.06 19:47:00 -
[341]
Originally by: Kathar Narka
Hm, a GOONSWARM alt I reckon?
You were droving on about the same exact thing in BE's teamspeak during one of the extended downtimes.
This was followed by you (or one of your m8's) saying you couldn't wait until dbp, blacklight, or diana entered the room b/c you were going to "have a field day" on them. Upon entrance, ofc, by blacklight and a few of us other bob members - you weren't having a field day on anybody.
But you sounded really neat saying it.
I fail to see how you accusing me of being a GOON alt is somehow detreminal to the fact that dbp's only real ability is making an ass of himself.
Also, I'm a privateer's alt, get it straight, I just don't like being associated with the average rabble in there
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McTrade
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Posted - 2007.01.06 20:52:00 -
[342]
Edited by: McTrade on 06/01/2007 20:53:11
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McDan
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.06 20:56:00 -
[343]
Edited by: McDan on 06/01/2007 20:53:48
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 06/01/2007 18:19:14
Originally by: McDan
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Originally by: KIATheClash So when does LV goes to war with BoB ?
I dont think you quite get the irony in your statement, so let me illustrate:
Random D2/IRON/whatever pilots: "Haha RA pwn, Goon pwn, theyre the best, LV sucks."
Awesome LV pilot (me): "D2, why dont you go fight a real enemy?"
Random dude (you): "LV, why don't you attack BoB?"
I hope you understand? Any more simpler terms and id be using kindergarten phrases.
thats funny :P so why didnt LV, ISS, MC, FIX shoot bob instead of IAC ?
because ISS were the aggressors?
Fixed.
We were involved in the retaliation. Also, correcting me without stating a reason makes you look stupid.
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KIATheClash
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.01.06 21:40:00 -
[344]
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Originally by: KIATheClash So when does LV goes to war with BoB ?
I dont think you quite get the irony in your statement, so let me illustrate:
Random D2/IRON/whatever pilots: "Haha RA pwn, Goon pwn, theyre the best, LV sucks."
Awesome LV pilot (me): "D2, why dont you go fight a real enemy?"
Random dude (you): "LV, why don't you attack BoB?"
I hope you understand? Any more simpler terms and id be using kindergarten phrases.
You should apply to BoB with responses like : " hope you understand? Any more simpler terms and id be using kindergarten phrases. "
As for being a random dude .. oh lol .
Mods this is currently my main .
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.01.07 02:19:00 -
[345]
Originally by: McDan Edited by: McDan on 06/01/2007 20:53:48
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 06/01/2007 18:19:14
Originally by: McDan
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Originally by: KIATheClash So when does LV goes to war with BoB ?
I dont think you quite get the irony in your statement, so let me illustrate:
Random D2/IRON/whatever pilots: "Haha RA pwn, Goon pwn, theyre the best, LV sucks."
Awesome LV pilot (me): "D2, why dont you go fight a real enemy?"
Random dude (you): "LV, why don't you attack BoB?"
I hope you understand? Any more simpler terms and id be using kindergarten phrases.
thats funny :P so why didnt LV, ISS, MC, FIX shoot bob instead of IAC ?
because ISS were the aggressors?
Fixed.
We were involved in the retaliation. Also, correcting me without stating a reason makes you look stupid.
I didn't feel I needed to state a reason, it was fairly self explanitory. You answered your previous question, which i highlighted, with your own comment. I just made a clerical edit on your behalf.
Nomatter the details, you took part in an IAC gangbang, and D2 are taking part in an ISS gangbang. Might I add, with less reason than D2 has. Don't be a hypocrite.
Originally by: Nev Clavain If a war of such scale does go down the sheer forum activity will probably put the server down for good.
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Crozon
Crozon Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.07 02:34:00 -
[346]
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Nomatter the details, you took part in an IAC gangbang, and D2 are taking part in an ISS gangbang. Might I add, with less reason than D2 has. Don't be a hypocrite.
Yes, some forces gangbanged IAC to start with but that was after the first IAC attack; there isn't any reason to try and change history; IAC were the aggressors (there's no shame in starting a fight).
I think the post was pretty much: "ISS: you're -10, let's dance or boogie or waltz"; something profound on those terms I believe. All the posts and evidence are right here on the forums for everyone to see; I have to assume, therefore, by trying to claim otherwise, that you haven't read them.
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Murukan
Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2007.01.07 02:38:00 -
[347]
hmm so IAC threatens ISS and uber LV blob shows up to "save" the day. IAC gets some support and LV disapear. Backbone?
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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Crozon
Crozon Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.07 02:46:00 -
[348]
Originally by: Murukan hmm so IAC threatens ISS and uber LV blob shows up to "save" the day. IAC gets some support and LV disapear. Backbone?
Not sure what LV are up to (maybe busy with RA), but I know that Fix are now occupied by IRON. It does make me think this is a really well organised plan to keep ISS allies busy. TCF also keeping Maelstrom busy. IAC attack right after AAA finish off AXE and are free to assist.
And if this was really planned out that well, I have to congratulate the guy who came up with it! You've played the game well! This is why I love Eve!
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McDan
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.07 05:37:00 -
[349]
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Originally by: McDan Edited by: McDan on 06/01/2007 20:53:48
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 06/01/2007 18:19:14
Originally by: McDan
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Originally by: KIATheClash So when does LV goes to war with BoB ?
I dont think you quite get the irony in your statement, so let me illustrate:
Random D2/IRON/whatever pilots: "Haha RA pwn, Goon pwn, theyre the best, LV sucks."
Awesome LV pilot (me): "D2, why dont you go fight a real enemy?"
Random dude (you): "LV, why don't you attack BoB?"
I hope you understand? Any more simpler terms and id be using kindergarten phrases.
thats funny :P so why didnt LV, ISS, MC, FIX shoot bob instead of IAC ?
because ISS were the aggressors?
Fixed.
We were involved in the retaliation. Also, correcting me without stating a reason makes you look stupid.
I didn't feel I needed to state a reason, it was fairly self explanitory. You answered your previous question, which i highlighted, with your own comment. I just made a clerical edit on your behalf.
Nomatter the details, you took part in an IAC gangbang, and D2 are taking part in an ISS gangbang. Might I add, with less reason than D2 has. Don't be a hypocrite.
I was not at any point being hypocritical, I simply answered a question. IAC were consistently involved in attacks upon allied territory and this was reason enough. Now D2 attacking a purely industrial alliance who do their utmost to keep a non aggressive stance with everybody is a completely different matter.
In attacking ISS, D2 have aligned themselves with the likes of Goonswarm and TCF; these alliances were previously given a higher priority than BOB when they were asked why they did not join the fight on ASCNÆs side. Seems like a desperate manoeuvre to show that they still have a fighting force. If this is the case then it is pathetic.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.07 05:41:00 -
[350]
Originally by: McDan
In attacking ISS, D2 have aligned themselves with the likes of Goonswarm and TCF; these alliances were previously given a higher priority than BOB when they were asked why they did not join the fight on ASCNÆs side. Seems like a desperate manoeuvre to show that they still have a fighting force. If this is the case then it is pathetic.
aka "The Impotent Wrath of the Shareholder".
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McTrade
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Posted - 2007.01.07 05:51:00 -
[351]
Edited by: McTrade on 07/01/2007 05:47:44
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McDan
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.07 05:52:00 -
[352]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: McDan
In attacking ISS, D2 have aligned themselves with the likes of Goonswarm and TCF; these alliances were previously given a higher priority than BOB when they were asked why they did not join the fight on ASCNÆs side. Seems like a desperate manoeuvre to show that they still have a fighting force. If this is the case then it is pathetic.
aka "The Impotent Wrath of the Shareholder".
We have been fighting a war against many of these guys consistently for nearly 2 years, unlike D2 who have been mining since their conception.
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.07 06:21:00 -
[353]
Originally by: Nez Perces aka "The Impotent Wrath of the Shareholder".
Nez since you don't actually participate in anything alliance related I don't think you've got room to talk about impotency with regard to anything in this forum.
Blog
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liquidism
Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.07 06:21:00 -
[354]
Originally by: McDan We have been fighting a war against many of these guys consistently for nearly 2 years, unlike D2 who have been mining since their conception.
yeah.. right 
and while mining all day we still killed 523 of your pilots and your eff. vs. D2 is 46.69% (including all killmails from the lotka board).
either we must be pretty good miners or you must suck pretty hard agaist such an easy target.
i will let you decide but plz, get a clue before posting this sort of crap, it makes you look pretty retarded.
//cheers
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Apocalypsee
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.07 06:37:00 -
[355]
Originally by: liquidism
yeah.. right 
and while mining all day we still killed 523 of your pilots and your eff. vs. D2 is 46.69% (including all killmails from the lotka board).
either we must be pretty good miners or you must suck pretty hard agaist such an easy target.
i will let you decide but plz, get a clue before posting this sort of crap, it makes you look pretty retarded.
//cheers
WOW Congratulations you have killed 523 ships. Why is it so hard for you to grasp a simple concept. You have done nothing. The privateers have killed 523 ppl does that make them uberwtfpwn?
But just for ur effort McDan is gonna give you a medal!! So again CONGRATULATIONS!!!!
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McDan
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.07 06:37:00 -
[356]
Originally by: Apocalypsee
Originally by: liquidism
yeah.. right 
and while mining all day we still killed 523 of your pilots and your eff. vs. D2 is 46.69% (including all killmails from the lotka board).
either we must be pretty good miners or you must suck pretty hard agaist such an easy target.
i will let you decide but plz, get a clue before posting this sort of crap, it makes you look pretty retarded.
//cheers
WOW Congratulations you have killed 523 ships. Why is it so hard for you to grasp a simple concept. You have done nothing. The privateers have killed 523 ppl does that make them uberwtfpwn?
But just for ur effort McDan is gonna give you a medal!! So again CONGRATULATIONS!!!!
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Vince Draken
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.07 06:54:00 -
[357]
Originally by: KIATheClash
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Originally by: KIATheClash So when does LV goes to war with BoB ?
I dont think you quite get the irony in your statement, so let me illustrate:
Random D2/IRON/whatever pilots: "Haha RA pwn, Goon pwn, theyre the best, LV sucks."
Awesome LV pilot (me): "D2, why dont you go fight a real enemy?"
Random dude (you): "LV, why don't you attack BoB?"
I hope you understand? Any more simpler terms and id be using kindergarten phrases.
You should apply to BoB with responses like : " hope you understand? Any more simpler terms and id be using kindergarten phrases. "
As for being a random dude .. oh lol .
You should apply to a corporation and quit breaking the forum rules. Also should avoid selling your character on ebay as well.
The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such. |

Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.07 07:58:00 -
[358]
Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Nez Perces aka "The Impotent Wrath of the Shareholder".
Nez since you don't actually participate in anything alliance related I don't think you've got room to talk about impotency with regard to anything in this forum.
Perhaps.. but I reserve the right to comment on what its essentially flaimbait by Mr McDan. D2 maybe useless, perhaps they are just a mining alliance. Either way their move on ISS has condemned them to oblivion.
When ISS got their gangbang on to hit IAC, it was billed as the "Wrath of the Shareholders".... it would seem the shareholders are still seething.. but are unable to do much about it at this time.
The forums are awash with posters from disparate, seemingly unconnected backgrounds voicing their displeasure at the recent developments.
McDan's post is but one example of the angry shareholder type of post, lashing out at the D2/AAA/IAC/RAGoonsTCF bunch and calling them everything under the sun.
And I will post and continue to post on anything that pleases me thankyou very much.
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Nebba Kenezzer
Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.07 08:33:00 -
[359]
Originally by: Nez Perces McDan's post is ... lashing out at the D2/AAA/IAC/RAGoonsTCF bunch and calling them everything under the sun.
Have you got anything to back that up?
For someone as uninvolved in-game as you, your posts are equitable to nothing more than a mere black spot on the ointment of life.
Pun intended. 
Nebba - The Vocal Majority
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.01.07 08:51:00 -
[360]
All this is foreplay before the main event.
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.01.07 08:58:00 -
[361]
Originally by: Crozon
Originally by: Murukan hmm so IAC threatens ISS and uber LV blob shows up to "save" the day. IAC gets some support and LV disapear. Backbone?
Not sure what LV are up to (maybe busy with RA), but I know that Fix are now occupied by IRON. It does make me think this is a really well organised plan to keep ISS allies busy. TCF also keeping Maelstrom busy. IAC attack right after AAA finish off AXE and are free to assist.
And if this was really planned out that well, I have to congratulate the guy who came up with it! You've played the game well! This is why I love Eve!
C'mon now, only BoB is capable of pulling off that kind of tinfoil-worthy coordination.
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Damn what happens to all those people whose self esteem doesnt depend on eve then?
Oh right, I'm asking in the wrong place
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.07 09:29:00 -
[362]
Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer
Originally by: Nez Perces McDan's post is ... lashing out at the D2/AAA/IAC/RAGoonsTCF bunch and calling them everything under the sun.
Have you got anything to back that up?
Not if you are going to mis-quote me 
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Graalum
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.01.07 09:31:00 -
[363]
Originally by: FireFoxx80
Originally by: DB Preacher As G they got spanked by us, they failed at EC-P8R
Didn't they get spanked by you, MC, ASCN, and FIX? Not just BoB. 
you forgot F-E and the five.
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Vince Draken
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.07 10:14:00 -
[364]
Originally by: Graalum
Originally by: FireFoxx80
Originally by: DB Preacher As G they got spanked by us, they failed at EC-P8R
Didn't they get spanked by you, MC, ASCN, and FIX? Not just BoB. 
you forgot F-E and the five.
dont forget the state war accademy and brutor tribe too
ec was bob+atuk+ascn
The pilots from 5 or fe were ones that were joining dice as it was created the same day the op was launched. Please know your history.
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Karunel
Princeps Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.07 10:49:00 -
[365]
Originally by: Apocalypsee
Originally by: liquidism
WOW Congratulations you have killed 523 ships. Why is it so hard for you to grasp a simple concept. You have done nothing. The privateers have killed 523 ppl does that make them uberwtfpwn?
But just for ur effort McDan is gonna give you a medal!! So again CONGRATULATIONS!!!!
Quite funny that you fail to comment anything on the eff. ratio. 
Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
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Marvel Master
Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.07 12:10:00 -
[366]
Originally by: jernej
Originally by: DeadDuck Why are you so bitter  ...
We were expecting you 
I you too. 
Dont babble in forums. Make a full war mode with your dreads and the other pvplers that you have.
I hope i will you see soon (tm).
Marvel
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Alita Tiphares
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Posted - 2007.01.07 12:35:00 -
[367]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer
Originally by: Nez Perces McDan's post is ... lashing out at the D2/AAA/IAC/RAGoonsTCF bunch and calling them everything under the sun.
Have you got anything to back that up?
Not if you are going to mis-quote me 
Dude, give it up already. Even BoB has grown tired of your rampant fanboying of their alliance.
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Darko1107
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.07 12:39:00 -
[368]
Originally by: Alita Tiphares
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer
Originally by: Nez Perces McDan's post is ... lashing out at the D2/AAA/IAC/RAGoonsTCF bunch and calling them everything under the sun.
Have you got anything to back that up?
Not if you are going to mis-quote me 
Dude, give it up already. Even BoB has grown tired of your rampant fanboying of their alliance.
Fanboing*
BoB Dictionary, Edition 5, Page 1. ------------------
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BugxEarl
Amarr Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.07 12:58:00 -
[369]
Originally by: Apocalypsee
Originally by: liquidism
-stuff //cheers
WOW Congratulations you have killed 523 ships. Why is it so hard for you to grasp a simple concept. You have done nothing. The privateers have killed 523 ppl does that make them uberwtfpwn?
But just for ur effort McDan is gonna give you a medal!! So again CONGRATULATIONS!!!!
Really now? Well, I believe you, kill ratio means nothing, since your alliance is struggling against RAGOON+TCF down there and kill ratio doesn't say a damn thing about how badly you're struggling:)
D2+Friends kicked the goons out of the north. D2+Friends kicked TCF out the north. Tactical retreat, relocation, word it however people want: they are not there anymore. Where are they now? Right there in LV's face and they are still there. At the end of the day, D2 held its ground. We had friends on our side, and we haven't lost any of them. What were the 'accomplishment' by LV and friends? A successful loss of a friendly alliance, a region, and a bag full of bloated ego.
So I guess its easier to return the same exact question over to you; what exactly have LV managed to accomplish? Cuz in my book, that writes off as "jackin' didly shaite".
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KIATheClash
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.01.07 13:01:00 -
[370]
Originally by: Vince Draken
Originally by: KIATheClash
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Originally by: KIATheClash So when does LV goes to war with BoB ?
I dont think you quite get the irony in your statement, so let me illustrate:
Random D2/IRON/whatever pilots: "Haha RA pwn, Goon pwn, theyre the best, LV sucks."
Awesome LV pilot (me): "D2, why dont you go fight a real enemy?"
Random dude (you): "LV, why don't you attack BoB?"
I hope you understand? Any more simpler terms and id be using kindergarten phrases.
You should apply to BoB with responses like : " hope you understand? Any more simpler terms and id be using kindergarten phrases. "
As for being a random dude .. oh lol .
You should apply to a corporation and quit breaking the forum rules. Also should avoid selling your character on ebay as well.
Its not sold on Ebay
Made me giggle this comment tho seeing what alliance yer in ;) Mods this is currently my main .
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.07 13:54:00 -
[371]
Originally by: Crozon TCF also keeping Maelstrom busy. IAC attack right after AAA finish off AXE and are free to assist.
And if this was really planned out that well, I have to congratulate the guy who came up with it! You've played the game well! This is why I love Eve!
Actually AAA weren't finished with AXE when we set ISS to red, it unexpectedly concluded during the fight, and they were still pretty busy tearing POS down when they showed up to help us.
TCF keeping Maelstrom busy accomplishes what exactly ? Maelstrom would never have come to ISS's help against us.
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.01.07 14:05:00 -
[372]
Originally by: McDan
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Originally by: McDan Edited by: McDan on 06/01/2007 20:53:48
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 06/01/2007 18:19:14
Originally by: McDan
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Originally by: KIATheClash So when does LV goes to war with BoB ?
I dont think you quite get the irony in your statement, so let me illustrate:
Random D2/IRON/whatever pilots: "Haha RA pwn, Goon pwn, theyre the best, LV sucks."
Awesome LV pilot (me): "D2, why dont you go fight a real enemy?"
Random dude (you): "LV, why don't you attack BoB?"
I hope you understand? Any more simpler terms and id be using kindergarten phrases.
thats funny :P so why didnt LV, ISS, MC, FIX shoot bob instead of IAC ?
because ISS were the aggressors?
Fixed.
We were involved in the retaliation. Also, correcting me without stating a reason makes you look stupid.
I didn't feel I needed to state a reason, it was fairly self explanitory. You answered your previous question, which i highlighted, with your own comment. I just made a clerical edit on your behalf.
Nomatter the details, you took part in an IAC gangbang, and D2 are taking part in an ISS gangbang. Might I add, with less reason than D2 has. Don't be a hypocrite.
I was not at any point being hypocritical, I simply answered a question. IAC were consistently involved in attacks upon allied territory and this was reason enough. Now D2 attacking a purely industrial alliance who do their utmost to keep a non aggressive stance with everybody is a completely different matter.
In attacking ISS, D2 have aligned themselves with the likes of Goonswarm and TCF; these alliances were previously given a higher priority than BOB when they were asked why they did not join the fight on ASCNÆs side. Seems like a desperate manoeuvre to show that they still have a fighting force. If this is the case then it is pathetic.
Not true, i think you'll recall the reason ISS were set -10 by D2 in the first place? Plus the fact D2 are Trust, and whether they got isk for the outpost after they took it over or not. The fact remains, ISS still 'had' a Trust outpost, and trust wanted it back.
The south 'gang bang' was because ISS called in friends to attack IAC, IAC responded in kind.
What reason did LV have? Appart from the fact ISS rent Tenerifs from them?
As i said, the details arn't important, D2 had more reason than LV did and you answered your own question.
Originally by: Nev Clavain If a war of such scale does go down the sheer forum activity will probably put the server down for good.
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Lunamariea Hawke
Gallente Combined industrial
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Posted - 2007.01.07 14:40:00 -
[373]
Originally by: BugxEarl
Originally by: Apocalypsee
Originally by: liquidism
-stuff //cheers
D2+Friends kicked the goons out of the north. D2+Friends kicked TCF out the north. Tactical retreat, relocation, word it however people want: they are not there anymore. Where are they now? Right there in LV's face and they are still there. At the end of the day, D2 held its ground. We had friends on our side, and we haven't lost any of them. What were the 'accomplishment' by LV and friends? A successful loss of a friendly alliance, a region, and a bag full of bloated ego.
So I guess its easier to return the same exact question over to you; what exactly have LV managed to accomplish? Cuz in my book, that writes off as "jackin' didly shaite".
Hmm not all your friends who helped you kick the goons out would agree with you since you set them up and stabbed them in the back afterwards: Sparta and NFC.
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Karunel
Princeps Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.07 15:01:00 -
[374]
uh? Sparta turned on the north, not the other way. Many, many Sparta pilots came forward openly speaking with disgust about the new policies of the alliance.
About NFC, civil war and stuff IIRC?
Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
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Lunamariea Hawke
Gallente Combined industrial
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Posted - 2007.01.07 15:29:00 -
[375]
sparta did not turn voluntarily as you say, none of the rank and file members wanted this, but while the boss was away some characters suddenly came to the top and made some strange decisions. If you know who they are , then you will know where they are now, in d2 :-) d2 set up sparta to get them out of the way
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Maltroc
Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.07 16:28:00 -
[376]
The right name is "Lunamaria Hawk" ... 
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Tarphon
Caldari Realm of Majestic Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.07 17:33:00 -
[377]
Originally by: Crozon
but I know that Fix are now occupied by IRON.
ItÆs their own fault, IRON went to visit a sick friend and Fix tried to take the soup. Understandable, I heard it was really good soup __________________________________
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Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.07 18:26:00 -
[378]
Zomg i`m in a Ovaron-Bunny thread! <3  --------------------------------
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Scarlet Pimpernel
Clan Eshin
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Posted - 2007.01.08 09:28:00 -
[379]
Edited by: Scarlet Pimpernel on 08/01/2007 09:28:24 Everything else aside what alot of people seem to be forgetting is that ISS were blue to D2 immediately before this (for those not keeping up the recent D2 standings change because of the southern ASCN intel issue got sorted out with only IRON not setting ISS back to blue)
Unless ISS did something to nark D2 off (and so far D2 hasnt said this so we have to assume they haven't) this isn't a particularly smart PR move by D2 (although tactically sound with ISS being occupied down south) because rather than cheering on D2 and joining the bandwagon against ISS, all people blue to D2 should be asking themselves
"How do I know that D2 won't turn on me next?"
I never thought I'd say this but at least BOB are consistent, this is a pretty two-faced move by D2
As for the other points, _if_ BOB decided to confront D2 in EC-P8R it would have nothing to do with aiding ISS and _everything_ to do with keeping EC-P8R out of the hands of D2 (if you recall the reason it ended up with ISS is because BOB didnt want it but wouldn't let TRUST [D2] have it back)
If D2 go south (and if they don't this whole op is pretty cowardly though tactically sound) and BOB attack them it will probably have more to do with BOB's 'plan' to attack D2 (and the peen waving in this thread probably hasn't helped matters) than going to save ISS
But people do love their conspiracy theories......
/edit for typos
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k1Lz
Delta team Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.08 10:11:00 -
[380]
Why do I see allot of D2, LV, BOB posting but so few ISS ?????
DELTA is recruiting
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Plan Neun
Caldari Ganja Unlimited Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2007.01.08 10:37:00 -
[381]
Originally by: DB Preacher Nez, I can only hope that you are playing devil's advocate and not really that silly to miss the whole point of this conversation although I fear it's the latter since you and Eddz first brought BoB up in this conversation.
Let me make it clear.
ISS have nothing to do with BoB at all. If they lost every station in the game it would have no more an effect on our alliance than if CDC lost all their stations (I don't even know if they have any tbh).
The only response here is mine, and it's personal, and it's pretty simple....
Look beyond the tags and think historically about what D2 have done.
Then consider putting them on a pedestal and whether they are worth it or not.
dbp
No one needs the Devils advocate when ur around pumping out ur propaganda lies. But then again ur in RKK so ur partly forgiven.
"I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
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Csonttoro Runave
Serenity and Unicum Hungarian Corp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.08 11:01:00 -
[382]
Originally by: k1Lz Why do I see allot of D2, LV, BOB posting but so few ISS ?????
because of the ISS Charter
Quote: No individual pilots (including CEO's and Directors) have any authority or permission to speak on behalf of the ISS or represent the ISS in public forums or in politically charged threads on the Eve-Online forums or other form of diplomacy.
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jernej
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.08 11:03:00 -
[383]
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Not true, i think you'll recall the reason ISS were set -10 by D2 in the first place? Plus the fact D2 are Trust, and whether they got isk for the outpost after they took it over or not. The fact remains, ISS still 'had' a Trust outpost, and trust wanted it back.
If they sold the outpost then It's not a Trust outpost, is it ? You can't have the cake and eat it, or is it special T2 cake.
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.08 11:27:00 -
[384]
Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/01/2007 11:25:17
Originally by: Plan Neun
No one needs the Devils advocate when ur around pumping out ur propaganda lies. But then again ur in RKK so ur partly forgiven.
Where is the propoganda lies?
I asked the readers to name one instance of *something* that D2 had done that none of the other big alliances had done.
Something that has shaped eve, something that has given the rest of eve reason to believe they are something other than their reality.
I've showed you the reality of D2, whether you believe it or not is up to you.
If at the very least, I have made you look at the facts then it will be worth it... these are not facts I am portraying but ones you have to look at for yourself. Look into an alliance that is supposedly a *danger* to BoB and therefore one of the big five.. well four now I guess with ASCN being dissolved.
Just ask yourself this.
With everything you have seen of D2 and with all the background knowledge on the corps involved, do you honestly believe that D2 deserve their place in the big four power blocks in eve and if so, do you honestly believe that they could actually affect or have any effect on us as an alliance?
And finally leading on from that, if we move on them, do you honestly believe they will withstand that?
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Saka Mizuno
The Graduates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.08 11:31:00 -
[385]
We don't post because we're not allowed to =\.
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Plan Neun
Caldari Ganja Unlimited Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2007.01.08 11:41:00 -
[386]
Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/01/2007 11:25:17
Originally by: Plan Neun
No one needs the Devils advocate when ur around pumping out ur propaganda lies. But then again ur in RKK so ur partly forgiven.
Where is the propoganda lies?
I asked the readers to name one instance of *something* that D2 had done that none of the other big alliances had done.
Something that has shaped eve, something that has given the rest of eve reason to believe they are something other than their reality.
I've showed you the reality of D2, whether you believe it or not is up to you.
If at the very least, I have made you look at the facts then it will be worth it... these are not facts I am portraying but ones you have to look at for yourself. Look into an alliance that is supposedly a *danger* to BoB and therefore one of the big five.. well four now I guess with ASCN being dissolved.
Just ask yourself this.
With everything you have seen of D2 and with all the background knowledge on the corps involved, do you honestly believe that D2 deserve their place in the big four power blocks in eve and if so, do you honestly believe that they could actually affect or have any effect on us as an alliance?
And finally leading on from that, if we move on them, do you honestly believe they will withstand that?
dbp
You may twist everything to ur own end of perceptions priestess, it does mean that it is more truth in ur statements. And debating "what if statements" is utterly meaningless.
Cheers.
"I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
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FireFoxx80
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.08 11:46:00 -
[387]
Originally by: Csonttoro Runave
Originally by: k1Lz Why do I see allot of D2, LV, BOB posting but so few ISS ?????
because of the ISS Charter
Quote: No individual pilots (including CEO's and Directors) have any authority or permission to speak on behalf of the ISS or represent the ISS in public forums or in politically charged threads on the Eve-Online forums or other form of diplomacy.
Is that before or after ButterDog?
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.08 11:50:00 -
[388]
Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/01/2007 11:47:59
Originally by: Plan Neun You may twist everything to ur own end of perceptions priestess, it does mean that it is more truth in ur statements. And debating "what if statements" is utterly meaningless.
Cheers.
What?
I'm not twisting anything.
If your perception of my posts is one that you can't even take off your bob-hate glasses for two seconds to read beyond that and use your own brain and look at D2 for yourself then don't call me a propoganda liar.
There was not one thing I lied about above, I merely remonstrated a desire for the rest of eve to look at D2 historically and structurally as an alliance.
There was no WHAT IF???? question in my post above. There was simply a "look at D2 yourself" statement and decide on your own opinion, without any input from me.
If you don't wish to do that then fine, you are a simply victim of the propoganda yourself... closed to the reality of eve that anything I say is automatically incorrect because of the alliance I fly with.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.08 11:54:00 -
[389]
Originally by: Scarlet Pimpernel
"How do I know that D2 won't turn on me next?"
Quite easy, you just have to play fair and dont try to take advantage.
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Plan Neun
Caldari Ganja Unlimited Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2007.01.08 11:57:00 -
[390]
Edited by: Plan Neun on 08/01/2007 11:56:04
Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/01/2007 11:47:59
Originally by: Plan Neun You may twist everything to ur own end of perceptions priestess, it does mean that it is more truth in ur statements. And debating "what if statements" is utterly meaningless.
Cheers.
What?
I'm not twisting anything.
If your perception of my posts is one that you can't even take off your bob-hate glasses for two seconds to read beyond that and use your own brain and look at D2 for yourself then don't call me a propoganda liar.
There was not one thing I lied about above, I merely remonstrated a desire for the rest of eve to look at D2 historically and structurally as an alliance.
There was no WHAT IF???? question in my post above. There was simply a "look at D2 yourself" statement and decide on your own opinion, without any input from me.
If you don't wish to do that then fine, you are a simply victim of the propoganda yourself... closed to the reality of eve that anything I say is automatically incorrect because of the alliance I fly with.
dbp
Ofcourse ur not twisting everything coz ur so very neutral in this matter, right! But I can go and talk to wall and spray it with BoB, everyone who has particapted since 2003/2004 knows ur twisting history and lying. And yes it is correct Ganja Unlimited dont like BoB it is because of our historic past with RKK, hate is a way too much strong word, but then again accuracy is not the priestess dbp strongest part.
Cheers.
Signing off tis debate.
Ceo Plan N
"I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.08 12:03:00 -
[391]
Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/01/2007 11:59:18
Originally by: Plan Neun
Ofcourse ur not twisting everything coz ur so very neutral in this matter, right! But I can go and talk to wall and spray it with BoB, everyone who has particapted since 2003/2004 knows ur twisting history and lying.
Amusing.
You are so deluded in your hatred for us and for BoB that you can't look at D2 by yourself and decide for yourself whether or not they are what they say they are.
Congrats, you now have no ability to think for yourself.
I can just hope the rest of eve hasn't gone through that reverse evolution. :/
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Plan Neun
Caldari Ganja Unlimited Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2007.01.08 12:06:00 -
[392]
Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/01/2007 11:59:18
Originally by: Plan Neun
Ofcourse ur not twisting everything coz ur so very neutral in this matter, right! But I can go and talk to wall and spray it with BoB, everyone who has particapted since 2003/2004 knows ur twisting history and lying.
Amusing.
You are so deluded in your hatred for us and for BoB that you can't look at D2 by yourself and decide for yourself whether or not they are what they say they are.
Congrats, you now have no ability to think for yourself.
I can just hope the rest of eve hasn't gone through that reverse evolution. :/
dbp
One last comment too this amusing priestess.
You will not succed much with this pity flamebait, accuse us of hatred when its not, pathetic.
"I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
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Nekumi
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.08 12:07:00 -
[393]
Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/01/2007 11:59:18
Originally by: Plan Neun
Ofcourse ur not twisting everything coz ur so very neutral in this matter, right! But I can go and talk to wall and spray it with BoB, everyone who has particapted since 2003/2004 knows ur twisting history and lying.
Amusing.
You are so deluded in your hatred for us and for BoB that you can't look at D2 by yourself and decide for yourself whether or not they are what they say they are.
Congrats, you now have no ability to think for yourself.
I can just hope the rest of eve hasn't gone through that reverse evolution. :/
dbp
There's a very simple way to end this argument. If you and BoB don't think D2 are worthy of the perception they're one of the top four alliances, prove it with something other than forum posts.
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Mr Detritus
Dibbler Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.01.08 12:23:00 -
[394]
Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: Scarlet Pimpernel
"How do I know that D2 won't turn on me next?"
Quite easy, you just have to play fair and dont try to take advantage.
OMG! They didn't buy all of your shuttles too? 
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Victor Vision
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2007.01.08 12:24:00 -
[395]
Edited by: Victor Vision on 08/01/2007 12:28:54 Edited by: Victor Vision on 08/01/2007 12:27:36 Edited by: Victor Vision on 08/01/2007 12:26:48
Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/01/2007 11:25:17
Originally by: Plan Neun
No one needs the Devils advocate when ur around pumping out ur propaganda lies. But then again ur in RKK so ur partly forgiven.
Where is the propoganda lies?
I asked the readers to name one instance of *something* that D2 had done that none of the other big alliances had done.
Something that has shaped eve, something that has given the rest of eve reason to believe they are something other than their reality.
I've showed you the reality of D2, whether you believe it or not is up to you.
If at the very least, I have made you look at the facts then it will be worth it... these are not facts I am portraying but ones you have to look at for yourself. Look into an alliance that is supposedly a *danger* to BoB and therefore one of the big five.. well four now I guess with ASCN being dissolved.
Just ask yourself this.
With everything you have seen of D2 and with all the background knowledge on the corps involved, do you honestly believe that D2 deserve their place in the big four power blocks in eve and if so, do you honestly believe that they could actually affect or have any effect on us as an alliance?
And finally leading on from that, if we move on them, do you honestly believe they will withstand that?
dbp
DBPreacher,
to get right to the point, it is a diplomacy and numbers game.
Currently I do not see bob in any real danger. We all know the picture would look completely different if all potential and past victims of bob would unite forces to protect their common interests.
An effective diplomatic strategy is dealing with foes one by one, while at the same time sewing misturst between them. Keeping them seperated is the key. Clearly you are well aware of the effectiveness of this approach.
To answer your question at the end of your post, the odds are against d2 if they stand alone. If d2 manages to convince the rest of eve to show strength, and protect their long term interests and ally with them, then bob looses. It is a diplomacy and numbers game.
May the best one win, VV
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Serilla
The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.08 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: jernej
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Not true, i think you'll recall the reason ISS were set -10 by D2 in the first place? Plus the fact D2 are Trust, and whether they got isk for the outpost after they took it over or not. The fact remains, ISS still 'had' a Trust outpost, and trust wanted it back.
If they sold the outpost then It's not a Trust outpost, is it ? You can't have the cake and eat it, or is it special T2 cake.
Mmmm T2 cake
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.08 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: Scarlet Pimpernel
"How do I know that D2 won't turn on me next?"
Quite easy, you just have to play fair and dont try to take advantage.
Ok, sorry for being uninformed or whatever, but wouldn't D2s surprise joining of the ISS bandwagon constitute taking advantage of their heavily weakened position? Not even going to mention playing 'fair', because that is a very subjective matter...but really, I'm personally very curious as to where you derive the basis for your perceived moral high ground. -----
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MacDuncan
Minmatar Unknown Society
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Posted - 2007.01.08 13:04:00 -
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Highly amusing Mrs. dbp....plz go on, i do have 4hrs+ left on boring work... :-) --
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Crozon
Crozon Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.08 13:11:00 -
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This wasn't a case of D2 jumping on a bandwagon, it was a multilateral coordinated attack in two regions.
AAA/IAC and others' attack in the South happened at exactly the same time as the D2 attack in the north. Yes, ISS had been fighting in the South for a while now, but this was the first time that capitals were deployed against them.
I don't believe that this was pure coincidence. I don't know who thought up this plan or when, maybe it was last week, maybe it was months ago, but it is apparant to me that D2 and the parties in the South coordinated their attacks.
People do tend to jump on bandwagons, like a lot of the smaller groups at the moment, a bit like sharks and the smell of blood. The difference is that it isn't the smell of blood but rahter the smell of getting on some easy killmails!
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INZi
coracao ardente
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Posted - 2007.01.08 13:20:00 -
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D2 PWNZOR'ZD ISS!
if iss wanna roll with the big boys they better roll with the big toys as well. nice to see d2 stirr st17 up. go d2 tbh
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.08 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: INZi D2 PWNZOR'ZD ISS!
if iss wanna roll with the big boys they better roll with the big toys as well. nice to see d2 stirr st17 up. go d2 tbh
MWAHAHAHAHA...
Can you put imperial march into background?
Oh wait, it was iss...  -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve.
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Admentus Cor'vion
Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: Scarlet Pimpernel
"How do I know that D2 won't turn on me next?"
Quite easy, you just have to play fair and dont try to take advantage.
Mind elaborating as to what a person has to take advantage of? _______________________________________________
Black Avatar - One of the oldest corps in Eve.
"The end and the beginning."
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Admentus Cor'vion
Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Originally by: KIATheClash So when does LV goes to war with BoB ?
I dont think you quite get the irony in your statement, so let me illustrate:
Random D2/IRON/whatever pilots: "Haha RA pwn, Goon pwn, theyre the best, LV sucks."
Awesome LV pilot (me): "D2, why dont you go fight a real enemy?"
Random dude (you): "LV, why don't you attack BoB?"
I hope you understand? Any more simpler terms and id be using kindergarten phrases.
thats funny :P so why didnt LV, ISS, MC, FIX shoot bob instead of IAC ?
Actually they were stealing 300 Motherships from IRON while building the no drawback warp core stab rigs for burn eden. No time!
PS - People hate IAC for one very specific reason. Guess what it is? _______________________________________________
Black Avatar - One of the oldest corps in Eve.
"The end and the beginning."
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Admentus Cor'vion
Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: Scarlet Pimpernel
"How do I know that D2 won't turn on me next?"
Quite easy, you just have to play fair and dont try to take advantage.
Mind elaborating as to what a person has to take advantage of?
1) taking advantage:
Lets imagine that you are part of a 0 space alliance and you live side by side with other alliance that is supposed to be your friend... then you discover that actually those friends after all, run the complexes in your region, mine there, npc there, anchor pos in your systems, etc, etc, etc well maybe in this case you can say that they are taking advantage from you...
2) Play fair
Lets imagine that you are part of a 0 space alliance and you live side by side with other alliance that is supposed to be your friend... then you discover that actually those friends after all, pass informations to your enemys, attack your friends, etc, etc, etc well maybe in this case you can say that they are not playing fair...
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Kreul Intentions
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department

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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:23:00 -
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Thread has run its course.
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