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Layla
Dark and Light inc.
D-L
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Posted - 2007.01.11 12:32:00 -
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DISCLAIMER: The views and opinions given in this post are entirely personal and should not be construed as reflecting those of my corporation, alliance or associates.
The Eve Universe as a whole owes ISS an immense debt for showing that investment by individual players can be used to bring something large and worthwhile into being. The ideals of ISS remain honorable and true to this day. The detractors of ISS may decry the detail of how ISS achieves their aim of opening up 0.0 to the Eve population, but I know that ISS has achieved its aims and paid billions in premiums to its share-holders in the process.
I see ISS as one of the few positive, progressive and exciting concepts within the Eve Universe. I would hate to see that destroyed.
I would like to pay something back to ISS in this, their hour of need. I shall be donating 500 million isk to an ISS Management character to help them in their current conflict.
I would like to invite other members of the Eve community to do the same.
This is not an "official" ISS post, nor has it even been cleared by their management. I am not associated with ISS. I have some shares, but I am not trying to revive their worth. I am trying in the only way I can to support an organisation which has far more positive aspects in Eve than its current detractors give it credit for.
I hope other players will join me in supporting ISS so that it can continue to be a positive force within Eve.
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Mandrake Knight
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.01.11 12:37:00 -
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Edited by: Mandrake Knight on 11/01/2007 12:33:52
hahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahha
dude I owe ISS jack sh!t. If they think I do, they can come collect it at any time, any place.
They owe me for all the backstabbing, intel gathering, and lying they do (did).
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BustyBounty
Caldari
Vengeance of the Fallen
Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.11 12:39:00 -
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those corupt bastards probably wont even notice 500mil has entered there wallets
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Zhaine
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.11 12:45:00 -
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ISS was at least a break from the norm, and imo they did incrdibly well considering the "nice [whatever] we'll take it" attitude present in almost all the 0.0 alliances. They tried (imo) their best and did pretty well. That said I never had any interest financial or otherwise in ISS, and I think they did make some big mistakes along the way, so I'm merely mildly dissapointed at the present turn of events.
ISK wont help them now. . . Very little will tbh considering the pile-on of alliances attacking so meh, they might as well take it and then regroup afterwards if they're still together.
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Crozon
Crozon Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.11 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Mandrake Knight
dude I owe ISS jack sh!t. If they think I do, they can come collect it at any time, any place.
Read the OP again, no one is saying you owe them anything. I'm starting to think Veldspar head injuries are becoming more common place.
Very commendable Layla, glad to see that some people agree with the ideals ISS was founded upon and can see the difference they've made in Eve.
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Nekumi
Caldari
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.11 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Layla
DISCLAIMER: The views and opinions given in this post are entirely personal and should not be construed as reflecting those of my corporation, alliance or associates.
The Eve Universe as a whole owes ISS an immense debt for showing that investment by individual players can be used to bring something large and worthwhile into being. The ideals of ISS remain honorable and true to this day. The detractors of ISS may decry the detail of how ISS achieves their aim of opening up 0.0 to the Eve population, but I know that ISS has achieved its aims and paid billions in premiums to its share-holders in the process.
I see ISS as one of the few positive, progressive and exciting concepts within the Eve Universe. I would hate to see that destroyed.
I would like to pay something back to ISS in this, their hour of need. I shall be donating 500 million isk to an ISS Management character to help them in their current conflict.
I would like to invite other members of the Eve community to do the same.
This is not an "official" ISS post, nor has it even been cleared by their management. I am not associated with ISS. I have some shares, but I am not trying to revive their worth. I am trying in the only way I can to support an organisation which has far more positive aspects in Eve than its current detractors give it credit for.
I hope other players will join me in supporting ISS so that it can continue to be a positive force within Eve.
I think it's been established that throwing money at a problem won't solve it. What a waste of half a billion isk.
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Blitz'Krieg
Caldari
SkyMarshal Logistics
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Posted - 2007.01.11 12:49:00 -
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I'm getting flashbacks to the fairpack saga that went on in the UK before christmas. They were idiots and so are you .. its a financial organisation .. and your propping it up with free money. If its not fit for purpose it can and should fail. If it needs your ISK then surely the ideal is dead already?
Enter the ONE million for ONE billion lottery. details in bio or Linkage |
skilzrulz
Gallente
Automated Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.01.11 12:52:00 -
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I agree with the op, thus I have donated 10 Billion ISK
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Omeega
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.11 12:58:00 -
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ISS recieved what they deserved, a place in empire.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Tiodus
Gallente
City of Certitude
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Posted - 2007.01.11 13:01:00 -
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/signed
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Mandrake Knight
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.01.11 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: Mandrake Knight on 11/01/2007 13:02:59
Originally by: Crozon
Read the OP again, no one is saying you owe them anything. I'm starting to think Veldspar head injuries are becoming more common place.
Originally by: Original Poster
The Eve Universe as a whole owes ISS an immense debt blah blah
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Mira deVorsha
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Posted - 2007.01.11 13:17:00 -
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I totally feel for the OP. ISS is now a charity for those who have been displaced from 0.0 space back to Empire.
Remember it could happen to any of you. One day your on top of the world next you forget to pay your protection money and end up working for some alt called b1Gb0oBs mining veldspar in 1.0 space for 1/10th the price.
Someone should set up a "Space chugger" Group to help with the donations.
I can't help with money but I have 60 militants sitting around doing nothing that I can donate towards fighting for ISS.
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RadarJack
Solar Storm
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Posted - 2007.01.11 13:20:00 -
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If we've learned nothing more about EvE over the last few months, it's that in 0.0, might is right.
Industrial/trade focused alliances can no longer survive in todays game mechanics or climate.
PvP alliance landlords will now become the norm, if you don't pay, you don't play as the saying goes.
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Pakmule
Caldari
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.11 13:20:00 -
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Rumors of ISS' demise have been greatly exagerated.
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Righteous Fury
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.11 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Omeega
ISS recieved what they deserved, a place in empire.
well said.
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Bach
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.11 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Bach on 11/01/2007 13:28:07
If you spend enough time in Southern Eve 0.0 politics one of the first few things that you will notice is an overly high concern over POS' and Outposts. They are the flashy jewels and trinkets the rich like to flash around to measure they're wealth. Which is good because it has little bearing on power. Its much more a measure of ones wallet. The only "land" in 0.0 that means anything is the 2500m surrounding the jumps gates.
Outposts cost huge amounts of isk in maintenance fees and provide little strategic benefit. I was privy to the costs of maintaining Scalding Pass at one time and I'll tell you that drain on the wallet did more damage than the RAGOONs.
When the Russians defeated Napoleon they simply let him grab land till it cost him more than it was worth. When Sam Houston defeated Santa Anna he did the same thing. Outpost can be a double edged sword.
I'll give you two wars to consider.
First was the CC war vs. the ISS. We didn't own any station and we lost our docking rights to ISS Marginis. We used alts that could dock and maintained our markets in Marginis. As the ISSN and allies flooded in to fight against CC we made more isk than ever in these markets. We still sell good in Marginis today with the IAC holding the station. It wass in these bussiness' that we learned ISS was a far more valuable friend and worth keeping around in 0.0
-V- war vs. RAGOONs TYC took up a forward position interdicting RAGOON supply chains 1 jump from RA Cassini and RA Prime (outpost/station). The outposts had no bearing on militarily keeping us out of the area. Infact once the RAGOONs found they couldn't remove us the traffic dried up. Things got so casual we started mining the arkanor in the belts/complexes and transporting it back to Curse for construction. We pulled enough mega and zydrine from RA Cassini space that we constructed x2 carriers while interdicting traffic in the middle of the war.
At the end of the day Eve is still a game of ship to ship contestants. Owning the Outposts has more to do with who pays the bills than who makes the profits.
ISS is just fine. To win all they need to do is shore up and wait and let time take its course on IAC and its new found Red allies.
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0August0
Gallente
The Crucible
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Posted - 2007.01.11 13:32:00 -
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Sort of puts paid to CCPs vision of getting more empire dwellers into lowsec.
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Regards,
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Galldar
Dark and Light inc.
D-L
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Posted - 2007.01.11 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mandrake Knight
Edited by: Mandrake Knight on 11/01/2007 12:33:52
hahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaahha
dude I owe ISS jack sh!t. If they think I do, they can come collect it at any time, any place.
They owe me for all the backstabbing, intel gathering, and lying they do (did).
Thats funny you ASSume that Layla is a dude when in fact your wrong....yes we have chics in our corp.
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WETRAIN
Minmatar
ROMANIA Renegades
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Posted - 2007.01.11 13:35:00 -
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i will donate my right testicle and my kidnee for ISS to live on!
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Iudex
Caldari
CaIdari Navy
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Posted - 2007.01.11 13:44:00 -
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Hello Layla,
that's a noble deed, no question.
But i'm not sure how it can help ISS now. ISK does not win the war, i assume the mercenarys they could get are already hired - but there won't be many who are willing to fight a war (fulfill a contract) they cannot win.
I think the whole ISS war is a lesson to eve, that financial strenght will not save you from military strenght.
Maybe this will change if we have more mercenarys who do a good job for the paid isk, but at this situation we have today, i don't think more isk might save ISS.
L...i...b...e...r...a...t...e.........C...a...l...d...a...r...i........P...r...i...m...e.!
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Hudsonn
Minmatar
FireTech
Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.11 13:49:00 -
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I think they have enough ISK already eh?
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Mandrake Knight
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.01.11 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Galldar
Thats funny you ASSume that Layla is a dude when in fact your wrong....yes we have chics in our corp.
Pics or he is your pre-op bff. There are no chics on the internet.
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Manic Mole
Keepers of the Holy Bagel
The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2007.01.11 13:52:00 -
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what the ****? I've got nothing to bad to say about iss but just thowing isk at it will acheave nothing, if you wanna help them then fight with them. but if you just want to give them isk why don't you just INVEST it? this might suppirse you but that's how they do it
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Silvestri
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.11 14:04:00 -
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they can use the isk to pay shareholders...for losses. 
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Ace101
Dark Knights of Deneb
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.11 14:06:00 -
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bumped for comedic value
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.11 14:10:00 -
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Layla, 500 million isk is a very large donation for one player to make. Are you sure you want to do that? If you do and haven't already sent the isk, you can send it to me and I'll see that it makes it into the alliance wallet with the intent to help with our current plans. And I thank you personally for your support and words of encouragement.
Isk is certainly useful in this conflict. As most people know, we've sold 50% of our 500 billion isk ISSO IPO already but that isk is specifically kept separate from this conflict. No matter what happens, we cannot use that isk to help ourselves unless we were to take a loan out and pay interest on it like everyone else. That money is to be used ONLY as directed by the IPO document.
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elchief
Mercurialis Inc.
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.11 14:10:00 -
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To be perfectly honest i do feel sorry for iss at the moment. We were once close friends and i personally like a lot of the iss around here ot was the odd strange one that bugged me.
However i do believe it what iss initially set out to acomplish and i do not believe there dreams are dead as of yet. They still control a couple of stations and im sure they can rebuild..
Dont pity them im sure they dont want it, Give them time to regroup im sure this sint the end of iss  i for one look forward to hearing/seeing/fighting them in the future
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Dekiri
Exanimo Inc
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Posted - 2007.01.11 14:11:00 -
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Edited by: Dekiri on 11/01/2007 14:11:10
If you want to do ISS good then i suggest investing in their new IPO wich sounds very promising to me.
Just sending 500 mil to count doesn't really achieve a lot, but offering investment capital will.
Not to derail this thread, but i think the reason why the outpost stuff did not work is not an ISS problem. Sure they have problems with their neutrality, not because they are not neutral, but because their member corporations repedeatly manage to annoy the whole universe just by opening their mouths. Wich is "acceptable" for a strong alliance, because they can defend themselves well, but tricky for someone vulnerable. But the reason why they "failed" was a political one and definitly not because their general concept was wrong.
I hope they figure out a way to start new outposts at some point and i am sure they WILL find investors, because they wont just take money and run off with it.
You can say a lot about ISS, but you can't claim they where stealing anyones money at any point, wich is a lot more then you can say about anyone else.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.11 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dekiri
If you want to do ISS good then i suggest investing in their new IPO wich sounds very promising to me.
Just sending 500 mil to count doesn't really achieve a lot, but offering investment capital will.
This is true, but as you know invested isk generates 5% income for shareholders and then a further 5% (if we manage it) for ISS. So we'd get up to 25m/month if we put that isk to good work as part of the IPO. Investing, of course, means you're not just giving your money away but if people want to donate and have the isk to spare, I won't stand in their way.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.11 14:41:00 -
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Buy me.
Buy EVE history and get Otherworld shares |
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