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Kaosaur Dark Nebula Gallente Division Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 01:03:00 - [121] Edited by: Kaosaur on 31/01/2007 00:59:53 The EVE Community owes ISS? *****s. How about ISS owes me 450 mil for the 'Geddon, fittings, mods and assorted items that I left docked in Marginis and was blocked access to simply because I quit ISSN and joined a neutral** corp!!! I gave my blood, sweat, tears and ISK for that money-grubbing Alliance and the only thing it got me was a better group of people to play the game with when I left.
0raven0 Independent Fleet O X I D E	Posted - 2007.01.31 01:08:00 - [122] Butter Dog 4TW!
Galaor Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:26:00 - [123] Originally by: Itaro Flagg Quote: In the 17 months since ISS was conceived we have constructed 6 public and 2 private outposts Hah! The Providence outposts are public outposts run by ISSPO and owned by its shareholders. I believe the privately owned outposts referred to by that quote are LV Calico and LV Serenity, which are owned by Lotka Volterra.
Vandervecken Smith Athanasius Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.31 08:02:00 - [124] Originally by: Itaro Flagg Aww, you don't know ISS nearly as well as you think. ISS actually has 2 privately owned outposts (I think its Consido and Fabrica that are privately held, someone correct me if I'm wrong). But ya, ISS does have privately owned stations. http://eve-iss.com/ISSO/2.asp Quote: In the 17 months since ISS was conceived we have constructed 6 public and 2 private outposts Hah! Apologies, but you completely miss the point. ISS has constructed 6 public and 2 private outposts. Quite true. Constructed, not owned. The 2 private outposts were constructed by ISS (did the work) for Lotka Volterra (provided the capital), as part of the Tenerifis deal. AFAIK the outposts are even managed by LV. What ISS has lost is 4 public outposts. They represent financial losses to ISS in 4 ways: 1) Loss of shares & revenue to whatever ISS member had shares in Borealis, Cassini, Marginis or Tycho 2) Loss by ISS management due to ISS implementing a share trade program between the lost outposts and the ISS IPO (see the shareholder meeting transcript) 3) Loss of POSes and the production around the outposts 4) Loss of access to the space What they don't lose is 30B worth of investment per outpost.
Algey ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.31 08:30:00 - [125] Originally by: Kaosaur Edited by: Kaosaur on 31/01/2007 00:59:53 The EVE Community owes ISS? *****s. How about ISS owes me 450 mil for the 'Geddon, fittings, mods and assorted items that I left docked in Marginis and was blocked access to simply because I quit ISSN and joined a neutral** corp!!! I gave my blood, sweat, tears and ISK for that money-grubbing Alliance and the only thing it got me was a better group of people to play the game with when I left. If you joined a neutral corp you wouldn't have had any problems docking in Marginis, only known hostile corps (and not all of them) were blocked from docking. Also as a neutral you could have left untouched, well except by IAC's pirates.
Hehulk Black Sea Industries	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:09:00 - [126] Originally by: Kaosaur The EVE Community owes ISS? *****s. How about ISS owes me 450 mil for the 'Geddon, fittings, mods and assorted items that I left docked in Marginis and was blocked access to simply because I quit ISSN and joined a neutral** corp!!! I gave my blood, sweat, tears and ISK for that money-grubbing Alliance and the only thing it got me was a better group of people to play the game with when I left. Would you be refering to the small period that DNGD was denied acess to all of the ISS stations over what appeared to be a massive back-stab when it was in-actual fact a mix up with the way sov work? Cause if that's it, I'd imagine you can now dock. ---------- It's great being minmatar, ain't it
shodowdemon Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:34:00 - [127] Aww
Kaosaur Dark Nebula Gallente Division Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:12:00 - [128] Edited by: Kaosaur on 31/01/2007 14:10:02 Originally by: Hehulk Originally by: Kaosaur The EVE Community owes ISS? *****s. How about ISS owes me 450 mil for the 'Geddon, fittings, mods and assorted items that I left docked in Marginis and was blocked access to simply because I quit ISSN and joined a neutral corp!!! I gave my blood, sweat, tears and ISK for that money-grubbing Alliance and the only thing it got me was a better group of people to play the game with when I left. Would you be refering to the small period that DNGD was denied acess to all of the ISS stations over what appeared to be a massive back-stab when it was in-actual fact a mix up with the way sov work? Cause if that's it, I'd imagine you can now dock. Except, I wasn't DNGD at the time, I was DDI. And the Corp wasn't banned, I had it confirmed from those in charge of ISS docking rights that I was personally** banned from docking in ISS stations and noone could give me a reason as to why. The rest of my corpies could dock fine. I left ISS on good terms, I thought and had no indication of otherwise save for the docking rights issue. Whatever, it's way too late now.
Duke Grail Darkblade Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:06:00 - [129] Edited by: Duke Grail on 31/01/2007 20:04:05 Wow... who dug this old thread up? Originally by: Algey Originally by: Kaosaur Edited by: Kaosaur on 31/01/2007 00:59:53 The EVE Community owes ISS? *****s. How about ISS owes me 450 mil for the 'Geddon, fittings, mods and assorted items that I left docked in Marginis and was blocked access to simply because I quit ISSN and joined a neutral** corp!!! I gave my blood, sweat, tears and ISK for that money-grubbing Alliance and the only thing it got me was a better group of people to play the game with when I left. If you joined a neutral corp you wouldn't have had any problems docking in Marginis, only known hostile corps (and not all of them) were blocked from docking. Also as a neutral you could have left untouched, well except by IAC's pirates. Don't you understand... Piracy is for people who kill things indiscriminatly because that's how they make money. We Shoost HOSTILES. If you don't want to be shot by IAC, join a corp that isn't red to IAC. This is called protecting our space from our enemys. (PS: Noob corps are our enemys too, so if you want to come out and visit...and not get shot by us, join a real corp.)
Kaosaur Dark Nebula Gallente Division Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.01 05:03:00 - [130] Edited by: Kaosaur on 01/02/2007 04:59:48 Originally by: Duke Grail Edited by: Duke Grail on 31/01/2007 20:04:05 Wow... who dug this old thread up? Originally by: Algey Don't you understand... Piracy is for people who kill things indiscriminatly because that's how they make money. We Shoost HOSTILES. If you don't want to be shot by IAC, join a corp that isn't red to IAC. This is called protecting our space from our enemys. (PS: Noob corps are our enemys too, so if you want to come out and visit...and not get shot by us, join a real corp.) See...you just touched on one of the major failings of ISS as an entity in 0.0. ISS didn't understand who its enemies were in 0.0 ahead of time because they considered themselves neutral to most everyone...except anyone who got in the way of Count making money. Pirates had pretty much free reign anywhere where ISS was trading. ISS basically chummed the waters and thought it was safe surrounded by sharks.....until the sharks got tired of what ISS was feeding them and saw them as a nicer meal.
B0rn2KiLL MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.02.01 06:06:00 - [131] Originally by: BustyBounty those corupt bastards probably wont even notice 500mil has entered there wallets LOL, class dude, pure class --- new sig, Hijack it and ill eat u. *Imaran hands B0rn2KiLL a fork - Come get some!11
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.01 09:04:00 - [132] Originally by: Duke Grail Don't you understand... Piracy is for people who kill things indiscriminatly because that's how they make money. We Shoost HOSTILES. If you don't want to be shot by IAC, join a corp that isn't red to IAC. This is called protecting our space from our enemys. Shooting things indiscriminantly to make money. Would that be like, starting a fight with your next door neighbours because they have outposts? Or perhaps it's just camping Doril and HED-GP?
patteSatan Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.01 09:09:00 - [133] Originally by: James Lyrus Shooting things indiscriminantly to make money. Would that be like, starting a fight with your next door neighbours because they have outposts? That's a perfect description of ISS in my book. <br> ...you women are creepy, but amusing as hell.
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.02.01 13:57:00 - [134] Originally by: James Lyrus Originally by: Duke Grail Don't you understand... Piracy is for people who kill things indiscriminatly because that's how they make money. We Shoost HOSTILES. If you don't want to be shot by IAC, join a corp that isn't red to IAC. This is called protecting our space from our enemys. Shooting things indiscriminantly to make money. Would that be like, starting a fight with your next door neighbours because they have outposts? Or perhaps it's just camping Doril and HED-GP? awww everything will be allright i promise, have a cookie. There you go now wipe away your tears. Manlove by Zaphod Jones
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2007.02.01 14:57:00 - [135] Edited by: James Lyrus on 01/02/2007 15:06:56 The Priory. The caring pirates.
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.02.01 16:01:00 - [136] Originally by: James Lyrus Edited by: James Lyrus on 01/02/2007 15:06:56 The Priory. The caring pirates. it's true see my sig Manlove by Zaphod Jones
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.01 16:37:00 - [137] Nice to see this thread is still going. --------------------------------------------------------------------
Vasectomizer Pwnage Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.01 17:20:00 - [138] Interesting... So when is ISS leaving Providence? And how does ISS intend to stimulate trade with neighbours in their new home who aren't blue to them - still giving away blue for free? It doesn't solve that much with respect to spies or anything - people will NAP up and watch the trade caravans come and go unabated and feed any intel they wish to hostiles just dying for a freighter gank. Hopefully there are other sa**uards or precautions in place to help prevent this. And hopefully the war and "hard times" forced some dead weight and freeloaders out of the alliance. Trim the fat. There will probably always be spies, but getting rid of people who contribute nothing will go a long way to helping make ISS tighter and stronger - even if it isn't number-wise. The new NBSI policy is very cool though, bet the Navy guys are frothing at the mouths to actually just go and start killing instead of adopting a defensive posture all the time or waiting for clarification or questioning what to do when neutrals or blues are in gangs with reds. Just. F#@%king. Shoot! About time, enjoy the policy change ISSN + friends (I know there's probably some PRAX guys itching for this, too!). ISS has done some good things for the EVE galaxy - public outposts gave birth to a lot of smaller 0.0 alliances that would have failed without them. They opened up a new frontier for a lot of people, markets in 0.0, moon rental programs, sovereignty for POS fuel bonuses, mining and ratting opportunities for member corps, and made a lot of other people very rich. And from what I understand ISSO is doing well, so ISS, although smaller, is still alive and ready for the next step. People may disagree with their leadership, but the idea* behind ISS was a noble one, and ideas cannot be killed. They have good pilots (I know one IRL - very cool guy, his fault I'm here) and I'm sure, all smacking aside, even their enemies appreciated the fight they gave - not shabby for a non-PvP alliance. All they need now is a few PvP corps to jump on board so they can demand respect with guns as well as ISK. Good luck in the future, guys. PWNAGE UNLIMITED: Don't PWN us, we'll PWN-U.
Vasectomizer Pwnage Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.01 17:20:00 - [139] Interesting... So when is ISS leaving Providence? And how does ISS intend to stimulate trade with neighbours in their new home who aren't blue to them - still giving away blue for free? It doesn't solve that much with respect to spies or anything - people will NAP up and watch the trade caravans come and go unabated and feed any intel they wish to hostiles just dying for a freighter gank. Hopefully there are other sa**uards or precautions in place to help prevent this. And hopefully the war and "hard times" forced some dead weight and freeloaders out of the alliance. Trim the fat. There will probably always be spies, but getting rid of people who contribute nothing will go a long way to helping make ISS tighter and stronger - even if it isn't number-wise. The new NBSI policy is very cool though, bet the Navy guys are frothing at the mouths to actually just go and start killing instead of adopting a defensive posture all the time or waiting for clarification or questioning what to do when neutrals or blues are in gangs with reds. Just. F#@%king. Shoot! About time, enjoy the policy change ISSN + friends (I know there's probably some PRAX guys itching for this, too!). ISS has done some good things for the EVE galaxy - public outposts gave birth to a lot of smaller 0.0 alliances that would have failed without them. They opened up a new frontier for a lot of people, markets in 0.0, moon rental programs, sovereignty for POS fuel bonuses, mining and ratting opportunities for member corps, and made a lot of other people very rich. And from what I understand ISSO is doing well, so ISS, although smaller, is still alive and ready for the next step. People may disagree with their leadership, but the idea* behind ISS was a noble one, and ideas cannot be killed. They have good pilots (I know one IRL - very cool guy, his fault I'm here) and I'm sure, all smacking aside, even their enemies appreciated the fight they gave - not shabby for a non-PvP alliance. All they need now is a few PvP corps to jump on board so they can demand respect with guns as well as ISK. Good luck in the future, guys. PWNAGE UNLIMITED: Don't PWN us, we'll PWN-U.
Empyre ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.01 19:11:00 - [140] Originally by: Vasectomizer The new NBSI policy is very cool though, bet the Navy guys are frothing at the mouths to actually just go and start killing instead of adopting a defensive posture all the time or waiting for clarification or questioning what to do when neutrals or blues are in gangs with reds. Just. F#@%king. Shoot! About time, enjoy the policy change ISSN + friends (I know there's probably some PRAX guys itching for this, too!). wait.. we're NBSI?!? finally i can break out the faction ammo!! and i'll have to install a drip-pan under the keyboard to catch all the drool. anyone got one of those things that hold your eyelids open for you? joking aside, true neutrality is hard to maintain in this game.. some idiot(s) will ALWAYS come along and take advantage of it one way or another. People argue when their personal views are at odds, whereas a debate is a more formal method of analyzing the angles of an issue.
Skyburn Fireblade Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.02.01 19:30:00 - [141] Edited by: Skyburn Fireblade on 01/02/2007 19:26:44 oops
Barrier Solo Infinity Shipyard Masters Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.01 21:14:00 - [142] Edited by: Barrier Solo on 01/02/2007 21:11:04 Originally by: Empyre ... joking aside, true neutrality is hard to maintain in this game.. some idiot(s) will ALWAYS come along and take advantage of it one way or another. ISS isn't neutral! <insert reason into rectum> Barrier Solo, CEO, INSM, ISS Join us! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadid=402528
0August0 Gallente Gooch Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.02 04:28:00 - [143] Originally by: patteSatan Originally by: James Lyrus Shooting things indiscriminantly to make money. Would that be like, starting a fight with your next door neighbours because they have outposts? That's a perfect description of ISS in my book. Perfect except that apparently it was IAC who started the war, not ISS. Maybe if ISS had just rolled over instead of fighting back IAC would have let them keep a station or two... . . . Regards, August
DHB FooFighter FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.02 05:39:00 - [144] Originally by: 0August0 Originally by: patteSatan Originally by: James Lyrus Shooting things indiscriminantly to make money. Would that be like, starting a fight with your next door neighbours because they have outposts? That's a perfect description of ISS in my book. Perfect except that apparently it was IAC who started the war, not ISS. Maybe if ISS had just rolled over instead of fighting back IAC would have let them keep a station or two... This horse died a long time ago. We started the shooting, but from our point of view the "war" started many months before that. ISS started the POS war, unfortunatly for them, we ended it. -------------------------------------------------
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2007.02.02 10:49:00 - [145] Originally by: DHB FooFighter We started the shooting, but from our point of view the "war" started many months before that. ISS started the POS war, unfortunatly for them, we ended it. I find those two statements somewhat contradictory.
Algey ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.02 11:26:00 - [146] Originally by: DHB FooFighter This horse died a long time ago. We started the shooting, but from our point of view the "war" started many months before that. ISS started the POS war, unfortunatly for them, we ended it. Hehe, Foo you even stated in local that you were intending to have a pos war. Look you rallied a load of allies together and ganked us good and proper. You're now under Goon and AAA protection, and have a nice area in which to build them capital ships set up. I cannot see why you aren't more proud of it.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.02 15:08:00 - [147] Where is ISS now? I kinda lost track after the ZXIC siege and stuff.
tigress Gallente Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.02 15:15:00 - [148] Isn't it obvious? they're here on eve-o forums? ;) Nah, they are in LV-land afaik.
Empyre ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:08:00 - [149] Originally by: Barrier Solo Edited by: Barrier Solo on 01/02/2007 21:11:04 Originally by: Empyre ... joking aside, true neutrality is hard to maintain in this game.. some idiot(s) will ALWAYS come along and take advantage of it one way or another. ISS isn't neutral! <insert reason into rectum> shhh.. yes we are, our overviews are just borked! People argue when their personal views are at odds, whereas a debate is a more formal method of analyzing the angles of an issue.
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:11:00 - [150] Originally by: Algey Originally by: DHB FooFighter This horse died a long time ago. We started the shooting, but from our point of view the "war" started many months before that. ISS started the POS war, unfortunatly for them, we ended it. Hehe, Foo you even stated in local that you were intending to have a pos war. Look you rallied a load of allies together and ganked us good and proper. You're now under Goon and AAA protection, and have a nice area in which to build them capital ships set up. I cannot see why you aren't more proud of it. blah blah blah hearsay and rabble coming from a coward. spin your web somewhere else before you get your alliance into more trouble and loose more outposts. One of your Sigs contained inappropriate material for the eve-o forums, please email [email protected] for a explination. - hutch Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats

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