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Gias Tao Gallente Lensmen	Posted - 2007.01.22 17:22:00 - [1] I got ganked by 6 ships at a gate a few days ago, wrecking my newly acquired Myrmidon. I warp in, see a Mega 150 kms away right in my face, and im stupid enough not to react at this point. I right click on my mission location and try to warp to it, and while im at it i get targetted and scrambled. Needless to say, i was shocked, it was my first death to gate gankers, and even if i only saw the mega, 4-5 others ships just appeared by me and started pounding my armor to bits. Now, would log out save me the next time this happens? I find going into low sec exciting if i meet challenging opponents, but being thorn to shreds without even a remote chance of victory isn't really my sport.
Nero Scuro Caldari Murder of Crows E N I G M A	Posted - 2007.01.22 17:27:00 - [2] Logging out counters bubbles, that don't work in lowsec anyway. Youd've died no matter what. ___ The world isn't going to end; we're not that lucky...
Wizzkidy	Posted - 2007.01.22 17:28:00 - [3] If you log out BEFORE they shoot you, you disappear after 30 seconds If they shoot you while your still logged on get the 15 min timer before you disappear The question is, will your ship last the 30 seconds if you log out before your shot Anyway at the end of the day if you log to avoid it YOU ARE LAME
Gias Tao Gallente Lensmen	Posted - 2007.01.22 17:42:00 - [4] So i'm lame because i dont want my ship destroyed while i do missions? Well mister honor boy, sorry, but if i could avoid being ganked by a bunch of gate campers who only kill to destroy and not even for sport, i sure as hell would. You go out and get yourself exploded if you wish, from now on ill just do my carebear thing and stay in high sec. And pirates wonder why no one ever comes into low sec anymore... Gate camping is what really destroys low-sec. Gate campers are cowards. I've had a few encounters in low sec, nothing really serious mind you, and i enjoyed it even if i got close to losing a few times, but with the risk of people gate camping i've just turned my nose on it, ill just stick to high sec or 0.0 when i get there.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.22 17:42:00 - [5] You did read the red text under your mission location details saying it was in low security space right? Jeez you guys just ignore the warning signs then you complain on the forums about not paying attention Please resize your signature picture to be no more than 400x120 pixels, 24000 bytes. - Devil ([email protected])
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.01.22 17:43:00 - [6] for asking the question about logging I am personally glad you died. I hope your ship was faction fitted.
Gias Tao Gallente Lensmen	Posted - 2007.01.22 17:44:00 - [7] Oh, yes i read the notice, and i've done it quite a few times like i said in my previous post, but still, my opinion holds. I'm not so much whining than i am saying what drives people from low sec. As i said, sport is fun in there, but downright slaughter ain't.
Nash Leigth Children of Azathoth Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2007.01.22 17:45:00 - [8] If you get locked and shot at, your ship will not disappear for 15 minutes. Also if you are scramed, which you will be, your ship won't make the emergency warp. So you'll definitely die in this scenario. If you log out before any pew pew, then your ship will disappear in 2 minutes. However they can still lock and scram it as it is aligning and pound on it for those 2 minutes. Note that before you log off, you should turn on your hardeners and such.
Sul Sonic Caldari Mining Bytes Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.22 17:52:00 - [9] Downright slaughter is fun for the slaughterer (for some reason I don't understand). I hate gate camps, but what can I say? It's low sec. The sooner you come to understand that when people can destroy you with overwhelming force, they will, the better off you are. -no sig :(
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.22 18:08:00 - [10] Don't go to low sec (unless in a ship that can run from a camp).

LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2007.01.22 18:09:00 - [11] 5 vs 1 = Anyone should die. ...Unless you're running a Vindicator have the sentries on your side and the intention of killing everyone there already (Wave of Mutilation 2 anyone?). Drool. If you are logging out to escape pirates, you really shouldn't be in lowsec to be honest. We podded 5 people the last weekend because when their ship exploded they logged to save their pod. Too bad for them, they're aggroed and we have 15 minutes for our recons to scan them down which is much more time than enough. Back to highsec sucka. ~~~~~~~~~ Caldari. It's so easy a Minmatar could do it.
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2007.01.22 18:10:00 - [12] Originally by: Gias Tao Oh, yes i read the notice, and i've done it quite a few times like i said in my previous post, but still, my opinion holds. I'm not so much whining than i am saying what drives people from low sec. As i said, sport is fun in there, but downright slaughter ain't. Then bring 4 of your friends and make it sport. I'm sure the campers would love a good fight. Trust me, it gets boring killing shuttles and pods all day. ~~~~~~~~~ Caldari. It's so easy a Minmatar could do it.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.22 18:12:00 - [13] Also in the response on how slaughter is bad considering most people will have entered warp by the time you can cargo scan them its better to ***** you open and see what goodies you have inside. Please resize your signature picture to be no more than 400x120 pixels, 24000 bytes. - Devil ([email protected])
Topaz Skydiver	Posted - 2007.01.22 18:30:00 - [14] Edited by: Topaz Skydiver on 22/01/2007 18:33:51 EVE pvp doesn't need to be fair. And low sec and 0.0 players don't need a fair EVE to survive. They adapt and try not to get ganked more often than needed, so that their losses don't exceed their income. Demanding always fair pvp engagements is crap. EVE is not a nice world. You need to put the risk to get ganked into your own calculation, it's part of your low sec and 0.0 life. Got ganked yesterday myself, because I brought myself in a situation that would have been avoidable by playing clever. So I got scrambled and killed by a large gang. You maybe don't like it, I think it's fair game. And getting ganked is a lesson. Yesterday it told me again: 'If you continue to play that way, you'll lose a lot more to ganks and you are broke, soon. So wake up ffs!' Indeed I made two bad decisions in a dangerous situation that got me ganked and cost me 50 mil isk. EVE-life and it's good that way.
Jet Collins Dynamic Endeavors	Posted - 2007.01.22 18:31:00 - [15] Question about this. So it happened in low sec 0.1-0.4. You obiusly has senturies on your side. You said one was 150 km away. This guy obvoiusly could not scramble you. But there where 5-6 total? So you had 4-5 ships at close range that locked you down? Sounds like they did a pretty good job getting a lock before you warped and than not dieing to sentury fire. I have never been in this situration but I would think most ships under a BS would wapr before they could get a lock, unless your a noob and have crappy agility I guess. Also in a BS I would think you could at least maybe take one out with the help of senturies before you died. Maybe kill one of the ships scambling you? I have never been in this situation. Main reason I avoid low sec. But soulds like they put alot of effort into this. I know I would have a hard time getting 4-5 people join me in gate camping and than make sure we are all set up properly so we don't die to much otherwise our effort is worthless. Plus I think log offs are pretty lam. It your choise to go into low sec and risk your. Try to find your wait out of the fight use actaully game machnics and not exceptions. Dynamic Endeavors is now Recuiting.!! Contact me in game for deatails about the corp. Mostly a PvE corp, with Jump clones avaiale in Empire and 0.0.
Adoro Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.22 18:39:00 - [16] Originally by: Gias Tao So i'm lame because i dont want my ship destroyed while i do missions? Well mister honor boy, sorry, but if i could avoid being ganked by a bunch of gate campers who only kill to destroy and not even for sport, i sure as hell would. You go out and get yourself exploded if you wish, from now on ill just do my carebear thing and stay in high sec. And pirates wonder why no one ever comes into low sec anymore... Gate camping is what really destroys low-sec. Gate campers are cowards. I've had a few encounters in low sec, nothing really serious mind you, and i enjoyed it even if i got close to losing a few times, but with the risk of people gate camping i've just turned my nose on it, ill just stick to high sec or 0.0 when i get there. Why does a person like you makes a person like me wanne GANK people like you on the lamest ways available? Just so it hurts... Dont log off, dont do missions in low sec if you dont want to die, otherwise cry me a river Btw logging off is even more cowardly... -------- Originally by: ChalSto underestimate us one second and u¦ll mine veldspar in empire for the rest of ur eve-life The LV way
Gioto	Posted - 2007.01.22 18:41:00 - [17] Originally by: Gias Tao So i'm lame because i dont want my ship destroyed while i do missions? Well mister honor boy, sorry, but if i could avoid being ganked by a bunch of gate campers who only kill to destroy and not even for sport, i sure as hell would. You go out and get yourself exploded if you wish, from now on ill just do my carebear thing and stay in high sec. And pirates wonder why no one ever comes into low sec anymore... Gate camping is what really destroys low-sec. Gate campers are cowards. I've had a few encounters in low sec, nothing really serious mind you, and i enjoyed it even if i got close to losing a few times, but with the risk of people gate camping i've just turned my nose on it, ill just stick to high sec or 0.0 when i get there. i have to agree with wizzkid. if you log your a pansy. fight them up take one or two out while they get you. you have drones. even if you got jammed your drones still attack. that and if you dont want to get ganked, use your map to see how many people are there, and how many ships have been poped in the last hour.
Gias Tao Gallente Lensmen	Posted - 2007.01.22 18:44:00 - [18] I get your point about the world being as it is, and yes, i've learned my lesson. I was just saying what drives people from low sec (after reading that thread about pirates not finding a lot of targets anymore) Yes i wont go into low sec alone anymore, and yes if i go ill expect the worst at every turn. As a relatively new player (low 2 mil sp) i dont have all that many contacts and what not (especially being in a mining/mish aimed corp), but when i "get older", ill prolly give this all a fair shot with 5-10 others buddies. And about the ganking, I warped in from another system, i saw a mega in my face but didn't really think it was a gate gank, so i open up my mish info to warp to it, and thats when he scrambled me. I have no idea about the sentry guns, the mega was 155km away i think so since hes the first hitter maybe he was out of range? At any rate, they killed me pretty fast, and i had my filters for sentry guns up so i didnt see anything related to guns on my screen. Nice work really, i dunno if all the others just warped in or were cloaked, but i got owned. As i stated before, im not whinning, just relating my experience and wondering about a way to avoid it really.
The Chauffeur Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.01.22 18:45:00 - [19] when you enter the system, check local. if you see people that aren't in your corp, treat them like they want to kill you. i lived in lowsec for about 4 months and avoided ganks because i was paranoid and cowardly. it works.
Strel Samodelkin Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.22 18:46:00 - [20] Put shield hardener on, and shield boosters, THEN log out. There is absolutely nothing morally wrong with doing this. Since you were outnumbered, and it wasn't a 1v1 fight, it is your right to log off.

Romeda Minmatar The White Star Consortium Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.22 18:47:00 - [21] This is becoming the problem with piracy and PvP in gerneral, mostly it's done around gates tanking the sentrys. It's not easy to do and it's somtimes hard for the target to stand a fighting chance, when you get too close to the campers at 150km+ they have plenty of time to warp out. This is one reason why low-sec is not much populated or trade hubs have been alowed to grow, and this is keeping most people in empire and causing serverload problems like in Jita, or some moving to aliance controled space. Piracy should not be nerfed but it does need to be taken away from gates as this causes problems for people getting in and out of low-sec systems and moving around systems creating trade and a local economy to grow, and once that happens more people will move out there. I think pirates need to be given the tools and insentives to actively hunt their prey, thus put some effort into piracy and get better rewards as such.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.22 18:50:00 - [22] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 22/01/2007 18:48:00 Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Put shield hardener on, and shield boosters, THEN log out. There is absolutely nothing morally wrong with doing this. Since you were outnumbered, and it wasn't a 1v1 fight, it is your right to log off. I'm going to take down your name, and at every opportunity I get grief the hell out of you. How's that for unfair ? Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
Khan Eckhawk	Posted - 2007.01.22 18:51:00 - [23] I totally agree with Romeda. I myself want to go to lowsec and I do take the casualities as they come ( i dont' log off), but it really isnt fair 1 against 10. Something needs to be done if the pirates want their targets back like in the "good old days" or whatever.. Also (correct me if i'm wrong) why do you get sec status penalty if you pod a pirate, it's ridiculous. you should be rewarded!
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.22 18:54:00 - [24] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Put shield hardener on, and shield boosters, THEN log out. There is absolutely nothing morally wrong with doing this. Since you were outnumbered, and it wasn't a 1v1 fight, it is your right to log off. Oh for **s sake what is this bull** your spewing out of your mouth now. Please resize your signature picture to be no more than 400x120 pixels, 24000 bytes. - Devil ([email protected])
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.22 18:56:00 - [25] Originally by: Khan Eckhawk I totally agree with Romeda. I myself want to go to lowsec and I do take the casualities as they come ( i dont' log off), but it really isnt fair 1 against 10. Something needs to be done if the pirates want their targets back like in the "good old days" or whatever.. Also (correct me if i'm wrong) why do you get sec status penalty if you pod a pirate, it's ridiculous. you should be rewarded! You dot get a penalty for killing a pirate. Pirates are people with sec status below -5. Gateganking in low sec is easy mode, it's insanely boring and really just a pasttime of the 'pvp'ers' that can't cut it with the rest. It's terribly unfair on the targets and there's really not much chance for any single target to do anything against it if the campers are any good. However, 'fair' and Eve don't fit in the same sentence, or even the same language. Get used to it, deal with it by grouping up, being smart or simply admitting defeat and working around it. Gatecamping is within the rules of gameplay, logging off is not. Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
Khan Eckhawk	Posted - 2007.01.22 19:02:00 - [26] Yeh I got yer point, and by no means i'm whining just wondering. Thanks for the sec penalty info. But still I do want to get to the low sec because it's way more exiting, sitting in jita being a target of ridiculous lag just isnt
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.22 19:03:00 - [27] Getting ganked sucks. However, bear in mind that's about the only way an 'evil pirate' can actually kill anyone these days, between sentry guns and warp to zero. I remember, back in the day, when you actually had a chance of a "fair" fight. This is, alas, getting less likely. (Of course, by 'fair' fight, I mean: One where you have some chance to win, but they've probably go the edge)
Za Po Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.22 19:10:00 - [28] Nope, 6 vs 1 you have no chance. What's wrong with that?
Jet Collins Dynamic Endeavors	Posted - 2007.01.22 19:16:00 - [29] Originally by: James Lyrus Getting ganked sucks. However, bear in mind that's about the only way an 'evil pirate' can actually kill anyone these days, between sentry guns and warp to zero. I remember, back in the day, when you actually had a chance of a "fair" fight. This is, alas, getting less likely. (Of course, by 'fair' fight, I mean: One where you have some chance to win, but they've probably go the edge) Everyone has thier own oppinon of a fair fight . Personally I think the WTZ has made fights more fair. Those that want to fight will fight and those that do not have a chance or do not want to fight have better chances to run . Since the WTZ I have actually been doing more pvp. And no I'm not only engaging people that weaker ships than me. I have actually been trying pvp in in a Breacher, yes a Breacher. I havn't killed anything yet but I'm still trying to perfect my set up Dynamic Endeavors is now Recuiting.!! Contact me in game for deatails about the corp. Mostly a PvE corp, with Jump clones avaiale in Empire and 0.0.
Eitodda Nurr	Posted - 2007.01.22 19:17:00 - [30] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Put shield hardener on, and shield boosters, THEN log out. There is absolutely nothing morally wrong with doing this. Since you were outnumbered, and it wasn't a 1v1 fight, it is your right to log off. Come on, you really think that using a metagame exploit because you can't be bothered to do your recon first is a legitimate tactic?



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