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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2016.02.04 17:36:40 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:The RIGHT opinions do matter.. Informed opinions matter, yours is uninformed.
Quote:Some people were of the opinion that the WATER in FLINT, MI was not a problem. What has that got to do with the subject at hand?
Quote:Oh and you are also allowing your emotions to color my post's meaning:
- I sure DO NOT want to stop BUMPERS; I just want them tagged as CRIMINALS when they do it in HISEC.. Why would they be tagged with a criminal flag? They haven't activated an offensive module on another player, ergo they haven't committed a crime.
Quote:Think about that a minute.. maybe you'll catch some light. It is you that is in the dark, not I.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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bigbud skunkafella
Not The Usual Suspects
8
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Posted - 2016.02.04 17:37:50 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:bigbud skunkafella wrote:bigbud skunkafella wrote:another idea to bring some balance to unlimited bumping with no consequences, how about when a freighter is hit repeatedly by a ship or ships , above a certain speed and preventing it entering warp over a period of 2- 3 mins say , a timer is set warning the bumper(s) he/they have 20 mins before he goes suspect for illegally obstructing a pilot from going about his business? alternatively, after a set amopunt of hi speed hits over a period of time, the freighter pilot gets a right to clear his way of the criminals impeding his progress in the form of a limited engagement type timer , where, upon activation , anyone in his fleet can legally engage the bumper , the downside being that upon activation, he can also be engaged by the bumper(s) .just think of the fun to be had...  re-posting this cos nobody seems to have noticed what with being so busy going off topic . easy to code, 2nd option all player driven consequences which will bring loads of content opportunities , whats not to like? You forgot easy to exploit, 2 days after implementation MiniLuv and the New Order guys will be using it to get legal kills on all sorts of stuff. schhhh, he really thinks it's a good idea
soz, there was a response as i was reposting this earlier. i think it's a brilliant idea, cos dontcha know i'm awesome? 
they can do what they want, if it means bumpers have to face consequences for their actions by their victims + fleet mates, fuggin awesome content . |
Bella Jennie
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2016.02.04 17:42:22 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Bella Jennie wrote:- I said REASONABLY safe.. Ok, not trying to troll with this, but asking you seriously. How much higher than 99.9% safe do you want before it meets your qualification as reasonable?
I don't like the idea that the BUMPER has nothing to lose when he does so in HISEC..
Now PLEASE, don't tell me all the things I can do.
- find friends; join an alliance; bump back; hire mercenaries; whatever.
That would be playing THEIR game, not mine.
That's why I stay in HISEC and play SOLO. That's how I want to play.
And please don't tell me all the BS that "that's not Eve"..
I'm happy when this UNBALANCED element of gameplay in HISEC is addredded and FIXED,
- it makes no sense to act like a criminal and yet avoid being marked as one..
Anf again, I'm talking HISEC.
why should this game belong to the DOUCHEBAGS?
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
10595
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Posted - 2016.02.04 17:42:34 -
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Bumblefck wrote:
Who is your main (Bella Jennie)? It seems, given that you are such a fan of them, some consequences should perhaps come home to roost.
Fourth time's a charm? 
Come on. You have nothing to fear from me - I'm a terrible PVPer. I just want to know in the interests of integrity and, you know, those consequences you keep on going on about.
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
16180
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Posted - 2016.02.04 17:46:08 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:
I don't like the idea that the BUMPER has nothing to lose when he does so in HISEC..
What you like or don't like does not matter. You aren't a real player anyway, and your opinion is worthless.
Quote:
That would be playing THEIR game, not mine.
I like how you openly admit that "your game" is not playing the game at all and still having perfect safety anyway.
You are entitled to nothing. Certainly not your selfish, broken idea of what you think the game should be.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Bella Jennie
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2016.02.04 17:48:38 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Bella Jennie wrote:
BUT it is a totally UNBALACED game mechanic when you can BUMP aggressively in HISEC without risk.
No, it is not. You're just bad at the game. And you can't try to lie and say that you don't want safety in highsec, when you very clearly want precisely that.
Wow.. you know I'm lying.
Who are you, Karnac?
Actually, I believe I'm pretty good at the game - the way I play it.
All you are actually doing is TROLLING me.
You add nothing of substance other than contrary comments & wild speculation as to my gameplay.
why should this game belong to the DOUCHEBAGS?
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CAPTA1N OBVIOUS
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2016.02.04 17:52:37 -
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Quote:You add nothing of substance other than contrary comments & wild speculation as to my gameplay.
But that's what you've obviously been doing. Rank hypocrite.
Obviously, you are a terrible shiptoaster and this thread is terrible and should be burnt to the ground.
Obviously.
I am on this page - It should be obvious who I am
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Arden Elenduil
Unlimited Ripoff Works
401
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Posted - 2016.02.04 17:52:45 -
[908] - Quote
Right, reported this thread for locking because there is exactly zero proper discussion going on here. Nothing but trolling and insults being slung all over the place. Sorry lads, but I just can't watch this any longer. |
Bella Jennie
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2016.02.04 17:53:30 -
[909] - Quote
Bumblefck wrote:Bumblefck wrote:
Who is your main (Bella Jennie)? It seems, given that you are such a fan of them, some consequences should perhaps come home to roost.
Fourth time's a charm? Come on. You have nothing to fear from me - I'm a terrible PVPer. I just want to know in the interests of integrity and, you know, those consequences you keep on going on about.
I reported your post for STALKING, SPAMMING, TROLLING..
Grow up
why should this game belong to the DOUCHEBAGS?
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bigbud skunkafella
Not The Usual Suspects
8
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Posted - 2016.02.04 17:54:28 -
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bigbud skunkafella wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:bigbud skunkafella wrote:bigbud skunkafella wrote:alternatively, after a set amopunt of hi speed hits over a period of time, the freighter pilot gets a right to clear his way of the criminals impeding his progress in the form of a limited engagement type timer , where, upon activation , anyone in his fleet can legally engage the bumper , the downside being that upon activation, he can also be engaged by the bumper(s) .just think of the fun to be had... re-posting this cos nobody seems to have noticed what with being so busy going off topic . easy to code, 2nd option all player driven consequences which will bring loads of content opportunities , whats not to like? You forgot easy to exploit, 2 days after implementation MiniLuv and the New Order guys will be using it to get legal kills on all sorts of stuff. schhhh, he really thinks it's a good idea soz, there was a response as i was reposting this earlier. i think it's a brilliant idea, cos dontcha know i'm awesome? they can do what they want, if it means bumpers have to face consequences for their actions by their victims + fleet mates, fuggin awesome content .
example, 2 bumpers get a flag in uedama from bumping freighter pilot a at hi speed for several minutes, a large ag fleet is in system, freighter pilot accepts fleet invo from ag fleet, then activates his limited engagement timer on machs, who immediately engage freighter as code logi warp in to rep machs and ag fleet engage machs , while loging freighter , mayhem ensues when the catas warp in....
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25804
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Posted - 2016.02.04 17:54:35 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:I don't like the idea that the BUMPER has nothing to lose when he does so in HISEC.. The bumper has everything to lose, it's up to you and your ilk to grow some balls and take it from him.
Quote:Now PLEASE, don't tell me all the things I can do.
- find friends; join an alliance; bump back; hire mercenaries; whatever.
That would be playing THEIR game, not mine. Nope, that's not their game, nor is it yours; it's THE game.
Quote:That's why I stay in HISEC and play SOLO. That's how I want to play.
And please don't tell me all the BS that "that's not Eve".. It isn't, playing Eve solo is a path to boredom and isolation. It's also a path that leads you to miss much of what Eve has to offer.
Quote:I'm happy when this UNBALANCED element of gameplay in HISEC is addredded and FIXED,
- it makes no sense to act like a criminal and yet avoid being marked as one..
Anf again, I'm talking HISEC. Concord are not in hisec to protect you; they are there to punish one crime, and one crime only; the use of an offensive module on another player without sanction. Your safety is your own responsibility, not ours, not Concords, not the Empires and not CCP's; it is yours and yours alone.
Deal with it, or not; we don't care.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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bigbud skunkafella
Not The Usual Suspects
8
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Posted - 2016.02.04 17:57:36 -
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Arden Elenduil wrote:Right, reported this thread for locking because there is exactly zero proper discussion going on here. Nothing but trolling and insults being slung all over the place. Sorry lads, but I just can't watch this any longer.
excuse me, i'm trying to have a proper discussion here while throwing some ideas into the pot. please mods, keep the thread open while clearing the troll posts. thanks
o7 bb
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Bella Jennie
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2016.02.04 17:57:43 -
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CAPTA1N OBVIOUS wrote:Quote:You add nothing of substance other than contrary comments & wild speculation as to my gameplay. But that's what you've obviously been doing. Rank hypocrite. Obviously, you are a terrible shiptoaster and this thread is terrible and should be burnt to the ground. Obviously.
must I be a "shiptoaster"?
why must my gameplay match YOUR criteria?
Do you even realize how INTOLERANT you make yourself seem?
why should this game belong to the DOUCHEBAGS?
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
10598
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Posted - 2016.02.04 17:58:13 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:
I reported your post for STALKING, SPAMMING, TROLLING..
Grow up
Are you serious?
I'm asking a pertinent question (which you are deliberately avoiding, even expressly declining to answer would still be an answer) - it's pertinent because, as your whole argument focuses on the primacy of CONSEQUENCES, I think that it is important that the CONSEQUENCES you face from your POSTS should be ADDRESSED.
Also, how am I stalking you? Is this thread your private property? Do you have some exemption that stops people form commenting on what you've written? How ARROGANT and CHILDISH are YOU?
If you don't like what I write, please feel free to block me - otherwise, LIKE it or LUMP it!
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Iain Cariaba
2542
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Posted - 2016.02.04 17:58:23 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:Anf again, I'm talking HISEC.
So am I. Click that link, hit ctrl-F, and search "failed contracts". What you're looking at is the annual report for the largest highsec hauling group in EvE. In an entire year that organization failed to deliver 0.11% of their courier contracts, for whatever reason, be it loss to gank, theft, contract expiration, whatever. We can probably safely assume that an amount greater that 0.01% of their 235,505 total contracts was for a reason other than ganking.
This is the kind of information people want when they ask for proof of there being a problem. This data reliably demonstrates that hauling in highsec is already at least 99.9% safe. This data reliably demonstrates that there is no actual problem here.
Using the tools CCP provided to keep yourself safe isn't playing the ganker's game. It is playing CCP's game. CCP has had 13 years to do something if bumping was an actual problem. The simple fact that they have not done so tells me they are fine with it.
Now, since you blatantly avoided actually answering the question, I will ask again. How much higher than 99.9% safe do you want before it meets your qualification as reasonable?
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
16184
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Posted - 2016.02.04 17:59:36 -
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bigbud skunkafella wrote:
excuse me, i'm trying to have a proper discussion here while throwing some ideas into the pot.
Oh come on dude. You're like, one or two steps above Straightjacket over there flagellating in the corner.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Bella Jennie
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2016.02.04 18:00:02 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Bella Jennie wrote:
I reported your post for STALKING, SPAMMING, TROLLING..
Grow up
Are you serious? I'm asking a pertinent question (which you are deliberately avoiding, even expressly declining to answer would still be an answer) - it's pertinent because, as your whole argument focuses on the primacy of CONSEQUENCES, I think that it is important that the CONSEQUENCES you face from your POSTS should be ADDRESSED. Also, how am I stalking you? Is this thread your private property? Do you have some exemption that stops people form commenting on what you've written? How ARROGANT and CHILDISH are YOU? If you don't like what I write, please feel free to block me - otherwise, LIKE it or LUMP it!
great idea!
BLOCKED 
why should this game belong to the DOUCHEBAGS?
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
16184
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Posted - 2016.02.04 18:01:35 -
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Space Justice Warrior, not even once.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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CAPTA1N OBVIOUS
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2016.02.04 18:01:59 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:
must I be a "shiptoaster"?
why must my gameplay match YOUR criteria?
Do you even realize how INTOLERANT you make yourself seem?
Well, you are obviously ignoring the input of others towards a semblance of a civilized discussion in order to tar everyone with the same brush, if their opinions differ from yours. It's obvious that you're trying to make others' gameplay match yours!
Obviously, if you throw out hyperbole in ALL CAPS, it just screams childishness. Why not save capital letters for their obvious intended purpose - to capitalize sentences and for acronyms?
I am on this page - It should be obvious who I am
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25811
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Posted - 2016.02.04 18:02:13 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:must I be a "shiptoaster"? Every post you make confirms that you are indeed a shitposter.
Your chilish attitude and name calling certainly do you no favours in that regard.
Quote:why must my gameplay match YOUR criteria? Why must theirs meet yours?
Quote:Do you even realize how INTOLERANT you make yourself seem? How ironic...
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1827
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Posted - 2016.02.04 18:04:07 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:CAPTA1N OBVIOUS wrote:Quote:You add nothing of substance other than contrary comments & wild speculation as to my gameplay. But that's what you've obviously been doing. Rank hypocrite. Obviously, you are a terrible shiptoaster and this thread is terrible and should be burnt to the ground. Obviously. must I be a "shiptoaster"? why must my gameplay match YOUR criteria? Do you even realize how INTOLERANT you make yourself seem?
In the context of this thread - hypocrisy GOLD
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
10598
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Posted - 2016.02.04 18:04:15 -
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Bella Jennie wrote:great idea! BLOCKED
Brilliant!
Now, I will give some spacebux to whoever quotes this and any subsequent post so that the OP may see my 'stalking'!
Until CCP deems bumping criminal behaviour, OP, you don't have a leg to stand on - and all of your drivel is so much farting in the wind.
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
10598
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Posted - 2016.02.04 18:05:04 -
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Also, this thread is so much better than the Likes and Get Likes Thread for like whoring.
Gold!
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Mag's
Rabble Inc.
Rabble Alliance
21177
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Posted - 2016.02.04 18:07:41 -
[924] - Quote
Bumblefck wrote:Also, this thread is so much better than the Likes and Get Likes Thread for like whoring.
Gold! Have a space like sir. 
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
16187
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Posted - 2016.02.04 18:10:52 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Bella Jennie wrote:great idea! BLOCKED Brilliant! Now, I will give some spacebux to whoever quotes this and any subsequent post so that the OP may see my 'stalking'! Until CCP deems bumping criminal behaviour, OP, you don't have a leg to stand on - and all of your drivel is so much farting in the wind.
Absolutely correct. I would also that bumping neither consists of inflicting damage nor using a negative status effect on another player, which are expressly required components of criminal behavior.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Iain Cariaba
2544
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Posted - 2016.02.04 18:12:08 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Also, this thread is so much better than the Likes and Get Likes Thread for like whoring.
Gold!
5,511 likes placed in this thread as of this post. Anyone feeling adventurous to dig through 47 pages and find how many went to the anti-bumping crowd?
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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bigbud skunkafella
Not The Usual Suspects
8
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Posted - 2016.02.04 18:13:29 -
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Mag's wrote:Enabran' Tain wrote:
Conclusion: There is no instance or reason someone could bump into someone, outside their fleet, 5 times in 30 minutes unless it was on purpose.
Funny. Oh wait, you were serious.
the qualification for receiving any sort of penalty should involve the repeated bumping at high speed over a period of several minutes , preventing a player from entering warp
. this would totally eliminate random, accidental collisions from creating a flag ( or other penalty) . if the penalty is a 'limited engagement 'type timer then it is totally within the bumped players control whether he chooses to activate the timer to engage the bumper or not.
this would reward players who have more friends nearby to assist them in taking down the bumper(s). would encourage more people to take up the fight against crims in hisec and create shedloads of content .
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Bella Jennie
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2016.02.04 18:14:22 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Bella Jennie wrote:Anf again, I'm talking HISEC. So am I. Click that link, hit ctrl-F, and search "failed contracts". What you're looking at is the annual report for the largest highsec hauling group in EvE. In an entire year that organization failed to deliver 0.11% of their courier contracts, for whatever reason, be it loss to gank, theft, contract expiration, whatever. We can probably safely assume that an amount greater that 0.01% of their 235,505 total contracts was for a reason other than ganking. This is the kind of information people want when they ask for proof of there being a problem. This data reliably demonstrates that hauling in highsec is already at least 99.9% safe. This data reliably demonstrates that there is no actual problem here. Using the tools CCP provided to keep yourself safe isn't playing the ganker's game. It is playing CCP's game. CCP has had 13 years to do something if bumping was an actual problem. The simple fact that they have not done so tells me they are fine with it. Now, since you blatantly avoided actually answering the question, I will ask again. How much higher than 99.9% safe do you want before it meets your qualification as reasonable?
Here's the thing..
Guy in a NPC Corp flying a Battleship BUMPS and cannot be touched when he is actually using BUMPING as if it were a Warp Scrambler..
- if he used the Warp Scrambler, CONCORD would kill him..
- I'm happy if he's just tagged as a CRIMINAL.
When you use a WEAPON in HISEC, it's a criminal offense.
BUMPING to prevent warping is like using a WEAPON.
This is UNBALANCED.
It's not the degree of safety; it's the EXPLOIT of UNBALANCED gameplay..
Can you dig it?
why should this game belong to the DOUCHEBAGS?
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Iain Cariaba
2547
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Posted - 2016.02.04 18:17:05 -
[929] - Quote
bigbud skunkafella wrote:if the penalty is a 'limited engagement 'type timer then it is totally within the bumped players control whether he chooses to activate the timer to engage the bumper or not.
Limited engagement timers don't work like that.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Mazzara
Big Diggers
Get Off My Lawn
27
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Posted - 2016.02.04 18:17:32 -
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its funny watching all the bumpers come out crying that, their tactic is balanced and counterable, but yet whine in the AFK cloaky forum about how scared they are in null sec when someone is afk cloaked, come afk cloaking is just as counterable as bumping.
No matter how much you scrub, how hot of water you use,-áyou can't wash shame!
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