Lots of people complaining and counter complaining in this topic...

The problem that I see here is again there is only a single M1 option. Why can we not have a compact version and a version that provides better resists but has a higher fitting cost. Give us an actual choice, more fitting room or better resists. Having a single M1 option being wholly better than the M0 and the single M5 option being wholly better than the M1 doesn't really provide the player with any options to think about.

Do we want our players to think or do we want them to slap on the highest item level thing they have access to?

why do the three new faction DCs have identical stats? Why not just adding one DC from one faction.

They've been doing this for faction stuff all over tiericide. It's pointless complexity and it makes no sense to me. It's exactly the kind of "flavor for no reason but flavor" that I thought tiericide was supposed to help get rid of. Just one more way new players get burned because they don't know there is an exactly identical faction alternative to the one they saw, for half the cost.

They've been doing this for faction stuff all over tiericide. It's pointless complexity and it makes no sense to me. It's exactly the kind of "flavor for no reason but flavor" that I thought tiericide was supposed to help get rid of. Just one more way new players get burned because they don't know there is an exactly identical faction alternative to the one they saw, for half the cost.

It's happening!

We're planning a huge set of module tiericide in our March release and this thread will serve as the feedback location for changes to Damage Controls.

The issue with Damage Controls is that they're essentially a must-fit module on a huge variety of ships. This limits fitting choice quite significantly. However because they're so powerful and so ubiquitous, simply nerfing them would be a large EHP nerf to almost every ship in EVE, knocking a lot of other dynamics out of balance.

So the plan is to nerf the hull resistance bonus of damage controls by a large margin, but also buff every ship in the game at the same time to compensate. We'll be reducing the hull resist benefit of Damage Controls by about 1/3 (going to 40% for T2 and 30% for T1) but also adding a base 33% hull resistance to ships by default.

This will result in a significant EHP buff to ships that can't or don't fit Damage Controls, but most of those already have very low hull hitpoints. The impact is Freighters, but we like to pair buff and nerfs to suicide ganking to keep things in balance, and after the February Wreck HP change these ships can handle a bit more tank without the "predator and prey" environment being thrown out of whack.

We're also planning on completing two long-time player requests:
1) Adding faction and officer versions of Damage Controls
2) Making all Damage Controls passive modules

We recognize that this is a pretty huge and far-reaching set of changes, so we'll be especially interested in all your feedback from SISI!

Here's the most recent iteration of the numbers:
[img]http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/67557/1/Damage_Controls.jpg[/img]

We're very interested in your feedback on all these changes. We'll be releasing them to Singularity next week if all goes well, so that you can try these and all the other module changes planned for the March release. Please use this thread for passing along your feedback, and we'll be reading.

Thanks!

Already giving away my stuff. Just writing some EVE mails and giving myself a week to liquidate my assets and reconsider.

No you can't have any, the recipients are already determined.

This is too much, it makes things more even, buffs careless pilots, reduce room for piloting mistakes ... and what about neuts? You can't shut down a passive module with neuts!

This is a huge buff to the defense side of the game without proper compensation on the offense (DPS buff).

Why shouldn't the results of an ill-conceived changed be discussed in the feedback thread for that change?

This will result in a significant EHP buff to ships that can't or don't fit Damage Controls, but most of those already have very low hull hitpoints. The impact is Freighters, but we like to pair buff and nerfs to suicide ganking to keep things in balance, and after the February Wreck HP change these ships can handle a bit more tank without the "predator and prey" environment being thrown out of whack.

Both sides will actually get the defense bonus.

Yeah I'm sure gankers benefit so much from extra hull EHP.

Its based off red freights record over 221,333 contracts spanning 2,786,739 gate jumps in highsec. That 0.1% is the number of failed contracts.

Hey, who's fault is it that gankers actively choose to ignore a portion of their ships stats? They choose to gank, they know the repercussions, the fact that they choose not to use what s being buffed doesn't mean they aren't getting it.

Also, a natural hull defense will make it harder for anti-gankers to volley the gank ships while they are ganking, so it's not all unused.

Someone get Lucas Kell a position on his country's Olympic team for mental gymnastics.

Both sides will actually get the defense bonus.

Sure, but what I'm saying is, the game does not need more passive mechanics and passive hitpoints in general, but less. Players should be more involved, have more choices, not less (or receiving less penalties for the wrong or no choice).

I have trouble with the "ganking won't be profitable any more" argument in the context of ganking empty freighters. You are just reaping what you sowed.

Pleyer vs dev is the worst kind of balance. We shouldn't be punished because we like to do something and are succesful at it., but somehow that's what always happens with ganking.

There is also absolutely no balance issue at the moment, freighters aren't dying left and right. A-type providences and bulkheaded obelisk are a tiny percentage of dying freighters compared to expanded ones.

Just wanted to point out how misleading this is. The reason you make 0 isk is because that's where you draw the line. PushX has made changes to their hauling such that they won't take loads over 1.5bisk because that's where the break even line is for gankers. All this does is push the line up. You'll still gank for 0 isk.

It's not player vs dev, and you aren't being punished. They are simply adding balancing changes and you're sad because you'll have to put in a small amount more effort. Considering how little effort it already takes, that's not big deal.

Of course there's a balance issue. The only reason freighters aren't dying left and right is because you're not attempting to kill them. It's impossible for a freighter to be ungankable, so if you really wanted to you could gank any and all of them. That would be like saying a module that killed every enemy in a system instantly wouldn't be unbalanced if people generally chose not to use it, as people wouldn't be dying left and right.

I'm sorry, what does the EHP of a freighter have to do with the HP changes to wrecks?

It's not player vs dev, and you aren't being punished. They are simply adding balancing changes and you're sad because you'll have to put in a small amount more effort. Considering how little effort it already takes, that's not big deal.

Of course there's a balance issue. The only reason freighters aren't dying left and right is because you're not attempting to kill them. It's impossible for a freighter to be ungankable, so if you really wanted to you could gank any and all of them. That would be like saying a module that killed every enemy in a system instantly wouldn't be unbalanced if people generally chose not to use it, as people wouldn't be dying left and right.

As of this patch you cant deny the loot from a suecide ganked freighter, in favor of the ganker. This could be offset by buffing Freighter EHP.

Why has my triple expanded freighter that lives in Uedama and Niarja never died?

I autopilot it around all the time. I move miniluv loot and assets worth 15bil+ at once.

Please tell me how I could get my charon ganked, I would love to be on the other side for once.

9 aren't even in high sec

7 aren't ganks

14 ganks 10 of them in uedama, 1 system that can be avoided and should be scouted every time

You can still very easily deny loot using the same mechanic.

Giving freighters more EHP is the worst way to ~counterbalance~ a loot retrieval buff. Decreasing the amount of targets will lead to another dead way of playing EvE sooner or later. No one cares that it's easier to loot when there are no more viable targets.