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Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Stain Confederation
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:45:37 -
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baltec1 wrote:Moac Tor wrote:baltec1 wrote:Moac Tor wrote:
Sorry but I am really struggling to have any sympathy. Go to 0.0/LS/WH space to PvP, or HTFU and bring a few more buddies if you want to gank a HS freighter. I don't mean to pick on your in particular Baltec as I know you are an experienced PvPer yourself, but I do get sick of these hypocritical HS gank whines, they just come across as self entitled rants complaining because they feel they have a god given right to be able to profitably gank a freighter in high sec with a couple of destroyers or battlecruisers.
This change is good for the game as a whole and makes PvP fitting a lot more interesting, that is what really matters.
Pirates go where the cargo is and the cargo is in highsec.. And so hopefully this will shift the balance with the profitable cargo now going to be in low/null/wh space, and so those HS gankers will have to step out of high sec and create some content in <0.5 space where they can be killed. Sometimes you can roam around null and low sec and struggle to find anything to shoot at, then you go to high sec and realise why, because all the pirates are camping high sec gates whoring on juicy high sec freighters. Pirates have got fat and out of shape, they need to come back to low sec like the real pirates of the times gone by. *chuckles* Why would a trader running between amarr and jita go to null?
You need to think outside the box, there is plenty of juicy targets in <0.5. Yes some people will never step out of HS and so if you want to gank them your going to have to do it for fun rather than profit, but then it should always be more profitable operating in <0.5. Right now the balance is skewed in favour of high sec which is why I've seen even skilled pvpers lower themselves to camping high sec gates purely because of the vast sums of ISK you can make out of it. Much like high sec incursions it needs to be knocked on the head.
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bigbud skunkafella
Not The Usual Suspects
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:46:34 -
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baltec1 wrote:Creecher Virpio wrote:Globby wrote:
Let me ask you this, where was the buff for ganking when you removed hyperdunking? As you said, "[CCP] likes to pair buff and nerfs to suicide ganking to keep things in balance" but there was no buff to ganking afterwards.
hyper dunking was never intended to be added to the game, it was an unintended game play mechanic/exploit that was kept around for a while, then removed. So how about when they buffed ship HP? Or when the upped concord response times? Or when they removed insurance? Or when they upped faction police damage? Or when they did crimewatch? Or when they upped barge HP? Or when they made concord tankable? The shocking thing is I can keep on going with these nerfs and not a single one of these came with a buff.
and whats the figures on ganking pre nerfs compared to now in numbers of ships exploding?
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Aiwha
Infinite Point
Northern Army
923
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:46:55 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:baltec1 wrote:bigbud skunkafella wrote:
also does it matter whether its profitable or whether uncle jimmy /mittens writes the welfare cheques , barges are still going pop in hisec on a regular basis.
Yes, the removal of entire professions and vast amounts of content in highsec does matter. Yes, it does. And it's good. Because now people will be more bored in High sec and move out to Low sec or Null sec to make these boring places more interesting and exciting.
Please. As if gankers will ever leave highsec. They'll run isk doubling before that happens.
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Legion
17329
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:47:49 -
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Ylmar wrote:baltec1 wrote:If anything it can be argued that freighters are too safe along with every other activity in highsec. One can argue all sorts of things, like that shooting defenseless freighters is an expression of badly suppressed violent tendencies. That does not turn a personal opinion into factual truth. 
99.9% safety in a freighter.
Profitable barge ganking is impossible (but ganking a t2 fitted curse with no tank is profitable)
Total removal of jectcan thiefs
little to no risk from pve yet some of the highest rewards
Highsec has become far too safe and rewarding.
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baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:49:49 -
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Moac Tor wrote:
You need to think outside the box, there is plenty of juicy targets in <0.5. Yes some people will never step out of HS and so if you want to gank them your going to have to do it for fun rather than profit, but then it should always be more profitable operating in <0.5. Right now the balance is skewed in favour of high sec which is why I've seen even skilled pvpers lower themselves to camping high sec gates purely because of the vast sums of ISK you can make out of it. Much like high sec incursions it needs to be knocked on the head.
You are removing risk from highsec but none of the rewards. Nobody is going to magically move to low sec to transport goods around that isn't doing it now.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:51:24 -
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Very happy at these DC and hull changes.
Even more happy at the buff to Freighters. Mainly because the anti ganking and anti CODE/Goons/whatever people who claim that ganking is too easy are about to get an abject lesson in reality like that did with the mining ship EHP buff. They think buffing like this = less ganking, when in truth it's just throwing down a gauntlet for the ganker types...resulting in MORE ganking.
The tears when they realize that you can't legislate away the gankers will be epic. It's too much to hope that many of them will realize that the answer to gankers already exist in games, they are called brains. |
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:51:32 -
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bigbud skunkafella wrote:
and whats the figures on ganking pre nerfs compared to now in numbers of ships exploding?
The last ice interdiction happened 4 years ago.
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Ylmar
Spontaneous Massive Existence Failure
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:51:49 -
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baltec1 wrote:Highsec has become far too safe and rewarding.
So you say. I disagree. I guess the two shall never meet, but fortunately New Eden is big enough to cater for different playstyles. |
bigbud skunkafella
Not The Usual Suspects
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:51:51 -
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baltec1 wrote:Ylmar wrote:baltec1 wrote:If anything it can be argued that freighters are too safe along with every other activity in highsec. One can argue all sorts of things, like that shooting defenseless freighters is an expression of badly suppressed violent tendencies. That does not turn a personal opinion into factual truth. 99.9% safety in a freighter. Profitable barge ganking is impossible (but ganking a t2 fitted curse with no tank is profitable) Total removal of jectcan thiefs little to no risk from pve yet some of the highest rewards Highsec has become far too safe and rewarding.
some risk inserted for extended bumping of freighters would of course help address this issue.
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Aiwha
Infinite Point
Northern Army
923
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:51:52 -
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That's because transporting goods around highsec is not very profitable. In fact, its actually a pretty terrible way to make money considering you can put an alt in karma fleet and afktar. I only do transport stuff to support my corp/alliance.
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bigbud skunkafella
Not The Usual Suspects
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:53:23 -
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baltec1 wrote:bigbud skunkafella wrote:
and whats the figures on ganking pre nerfs compared to now in numbers of ships exploding?
The last ice interdiction happened 4 years ago.
burn amarr?, burn jita? arent code considering an ice interdiction on loyals days off work v soon?
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Legion
17329
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:53:50 -
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Ylmar wrote:baltec1 wrote:Highsec has become far too safe and rewarding. So you say. I disagree. I guess the two shall never meet, but fortunately New Eden is big enough to cater for different playstyles.
You are removing my playstyle.
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bigbud skunkafella
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:54:47 -
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The last ice interdiction happened 4 years ago.
that didnt answer my question btw |
Morrigan LeSante
Senex Legio
The OSS
1200
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:54:59 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Very happy at these DC and hull changes..
Right up until you try and undock anything with an IFFA on it today 
They've went nuts with the fitting increases, here and on the disruptors (+21 to some of them  )
I pity the poor bastards with imperfect skills since even guys with perfecct ones needed the IFFA regularly.
I'll have to revisit nearly EVERY ship in my goddamned hanger as a result of these changes.
The direction of the changes is good...the fitting hits? Oh god no. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26984
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:55:15 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:The impact is Freighters, but we like to pair buff and nerfs to suicide ganking to keep things in balance, and after the February Wreck HP change these ships can handle a bit more tank without the "predator and prey" environment being thrown out of whack. This is ******* idiotic and completely lacks any logical coherence.
Please present an argument why freighters need to be harder to kill before making them harder to kill. If you want to maintain the ganking balance, what equally idiotic nerf are you going to give the freighters to make them more susceptible to attacks? If you're not going to nerf them in any way to retain any semblance of balance, can you at least explain the purpose behind this one-sided blanket buff?
Revert this change and try again when you can think up something less moronic.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
5674
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:55:41 -
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Aiwha wrote:That's because transporting goods around highsec is not very profitable. In fact, its actually a pretty terrible way to make money considering you can put an alt in karma fleet and afktar. I only do transport stuff to support my corp/alliance.
I certainly make a lot out of buying goods in one place in high then selling them in another.
I just don't share much of that with the useful idiots that do courier work.
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:55:51 -
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bigbud skunkafella wrote:baltec1 wrote:bigbud skunkafella wrote:
and whats the figures on ganking pre nerfs compared to now in numbers of ships exploding?
The last ice interdiction happened 4 years ago. burn amarr?, burn jita? arent code considering an ice interdiction on loyals days off work v soon?
No they are not.
There has been no ice interdiction for 4 years because of the nerfs making it impossible to pull off. This kind of event generated a lot of content, content that is now gone.
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412nv Yaken
The Conference Elite
CODE.
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:55:54 -
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Cant wait to login after this patch and still dunk on freighters. Remember you cant patch stupid and the code is forever :P. The patches for freighters fitting bulkheads was suppose to be the end of code and ganking but we are still here,
I also find it funny that they think ganking is unbalanced because of a freighter wreck buff.
The fact is freighter pilots who fly solo in an MMORPG packed full of stuff deserve to die and it goes to show the squeaking wheel gets the most love.
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Captain Campion
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
13
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:57:05 -
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I've been wishing for passive damage controls for years, thanks ccp.
Also excited about the possibility of not fitting one at all, we'll see how that goes. |
bigbud skunkafella
Not The Usual Suspects
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:57:57 -
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baltec1 wrote:Ylmar wrote:baltec1 wrote:Highsec has become far too safe and rewarding. So you say. I disagree. I guess the two shall never meet, but fortunately New Eden is big enough to cater for different playstyles. You are removing my playstyle.
stop being a drama queen, how much profit does miniluv make from hisec ganking? having to bring a few more catas is 'removing your playstyle' ? LMAO!!
can i has ur stuff?
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Aiwha
Infinite Point
Northern Army
924
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:58:16 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Aiwha wrote:That's because transporting goods around highsec is not very profitable. In fact, its actually a pretty terrible way to make money considering you can put an alt in karma fleet and afktar. I only do transport stuff to support my corp/alliance. I certainly make a lot out of buying goods in one place in high then selling them in another. I just don't share much of that with the useful idiots that do courier work.
I group that sort of thing with market pvp vs just plain hauling. You're taking on the increased risk of general market instability.
Not my cup of tea. I prefer trying to keep my nerds productive and happy.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:58:24 -
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Ylmar wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:It represents the chance of losing a freighter if you fly it competently. "Competently" as in using scouts and/or webber support? That does happen, but I know for a fact that many RFF pilots fly AFK using autopilot. Oh, and they bleed like the rest of us when they are cut.
Some form of combat escort should be the absolute norm when moving a freighter around, even with just a cheap load like 90m units of Trit.
Hell when at war I use a scout to move an Ishtar through high. An Ishtar is a tenth of the price of a freighter full of trit, and a fiftieth the price of a freighter full of PI mats.
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:59:04 -
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Aiwha wrote:That's because transporting goods around highsec is not very profitable. In fact, its actually a pretty terrible way to make money considering you can put an alt in karma fleet and afktar. I only do transport stuff to support my corp/alliance.
RFF made 2.475 trillion in profits.
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Aiwha
Infinite Point
Northern Army
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:59:21 -
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412nv Yaken wrote:it goes to show the squeaking wheel gets the most love.
If that were the cease, gankers would get everything they wanted.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
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Ylmar
Spontaneous Massive Existence Failure
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:59:52 -
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baltec1 wrote:You are removing my playstyle.
You mean I don't accept your playstyle being forced on me. |
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.02.12 00:01:08 -
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bigbud skunkafella wrote:baltec1 wrote:Ylmar wrote:baltec1 wrote:Highsec has become far too safe and rewarding. So you say. I disagree. I guess the two shall never meet, but fortunately New Eden is big enough to cater for different playstyles. You are removing my playstyle. stop being a drama queen, how much profit does miniluv make from hisec ganking? having to bring a few more catas is 'removing your playstyle' ? LMAO!! can i has ur stuff?
I used to gank barges for profit and do ice interdictions. I also used to go jectcan stealing in a combat hauler to get fights. Both of these activities are now gone. Now CCP are nerfing the last profitable ganking activity yet again with zero justification.
Yes, my playstlye is getting removed.
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Aiwha
Infinite Point
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Posted - 2016.02.12 00:01:48 -
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baltec1 wrote:Aiwha wrote:That's because transporting goods around highsec is not very profitable. In fact, its actually a pretty terrible way to make money considering you can put an alt in karma fleet and afktar. I only do transport stuff to support my corp/alliance. RFF made 2.475 trillion in profits.
How many haulers do they have? If every one of them ran an afktar they'd probably make double that easily.
Take the goon out of CFC, can't take the CFC out of goons I suppose.
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.02.12 00:02:16 -
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Ylmar wrote:baltec1 wrote:You are removing my playstyle. You mean I don't accept your playstyle being forced on me.
Right now I am the only one having someone elses playstyle forced upon me.
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Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Stain Confederation
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Posted - 2016.02.12 00:04:23 -
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baltec1 wrote:Moac Tor wrote:
You need to think outside the box, there is plenty of juicy targets in <0.5. Yes some people will never step out of HS and so if you want to gank them your going to have to do it for fun rather than profit, but then it should always be more profitable operating in <0.5. Right now the balance is skewed in favour of high sec which is why I've seen even skilled pvpers lower themselves to camping high sec gates purely because of the vast sums of ISK you can make out of it. Much like high sec incursions it needs to be knocked on the head.
You are removing risk from highsec but none of the rewards. Nobody is going to magically move to low sec to transport goods around that isn't doing it now.
Yes low sec and to some degree null sec aren't that great as most people use jump freighters (which is why I wish they followed through with reducing the JF range to 5LY), although you can make good isk ganking transports travelling through wormholes.
People who want to stay in high sec are always going to stay in high sec though no matter how much you gank their mining barge or kill their freighter. I know you can make good ISK from it but I don't see the point myself as it is much like shooting at fish in a barrel. And as someone else pointed out, it is not as though those high sec haulers or miners are making much ISK anyway.
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bigbud skunkafella
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Posted - 2016.02.12 00:04:48 -
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baltec1 wrote:bigbud skunkafella wrote:baltec1 wrote:bigbud skunkafella wrote:
and whats the figures on ganking pre nerfs compared to now in numbers of ships exploding?
The last ice interdiction happened 4 years ago. burn amarr?, burn jita? arent code considering an ice interdiction on loyals days off work v soon? No they are not. There has been no ice interdiction for 4 years because of the nerfs making it impossible to pull off. This kind of event generated a lot of content, content that is now gone.
hmmm, i call bullshit . https://eveskunk.com/e/357863050 . also last ice interdiction was 2.5 years ago https://www.themittani.com/news/cfc-announces-caldari-ice-interdiction.
anyway, my question was ;what are the numbers pre nerf compared to now in relation to ships exploding ? u got an answer?
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