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Anhenka Infinite Point Northern Army 1518	Posted - 2016.02.23 23:32:58 - [121] - Quote This is absolutely the least clear clarification I have ever seen.
Memphis Baas 1179	Posted - 2016.02.23 23:41:32 - [122] - Quote It's not just isboxer. You have an unfair advantage if you: - use EFT or pyfa - use evemon to plan ahead - use any of the manufacturing or research calculators to find deals and calculate profits - use a website or app to keep track of wormholes and create a dotlan-map the god awful w-space - use a ship identification chart - use voice comms - check people's killboard resume - have 2+ screens instead of just 1 - unfuck your overview
ivan skorzeny Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2016.02.23 23:41:56 - [123] - Quote So i can't use the likes of isoboxer to over lay other clients local, but i can just use windows tiled to have main screen taking up 80% of the screen and two more clients stacked behind just with there local showing? maybe not as tidy but does the same job. Also can the overlay appear in another screen that has no client, or other empty desktop space as then its not an overlay correct?
Koenig Yazria Adversity. Psychotic Tendencies. 5	Posted - 2016.02.23 23:45:13 - [124] - Quote Memphis Baas wrote: That is the silliest dev blog I've seen in a while: 2. You're trying to encourage the development of third-party applications to help with EVE gameplay. AND at the same time DISCOURAGE it. The way CCP is handling this... I feel very dumb, I used to defend them in the last year and pointed out the advantages of pretty much all the changes.
Chalithra Lathar Rhongomiant Legion Industries The Explicit Alliance 35	Posted - 2016.02.23 23:45:14 - [125] - Quote ivan skorzeny wrote: So i can't use the likes of isoboxer to over lay other clients local, but i can just use windows tiled to have main screen taking up 80% of the screen and two more clients stacked behind just with there local showing? maybe not as tidy but does the same job. Also can the overlay appear in another screen that has no client, or other empty desktop space as then its not an overlay correct? Nobody knows, and they only way they could actually police this is arbitrary at best.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 5765	Posted - 2016.02.23 23:48:23 - [126] - Quote Anhenka wrote: This is absolutely the least clear clarification I have ever seen. If you don't use any third-party tools, you may be okay. If you do, you are probably toast. When in doubt, file a petition asking if X is okay.. If still in doubt, don't do it.
ivan skorzeny Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2016.02.23 23:54:36 - [127] - Quote Tau Cabalander wrote: Anhenka wrote: This is absolutely the least clear clarification I have ever seen. If you don't use any third-party tools, you may be okay. If you do, you are probably toast. When in doubt, file a petition asking if X is okay.. If still in doubt, don't do it. But this is pretty laughable, i have 3 monitors i can reasonably fit 2 or maybe more clients each, so 6+ clients and there local not using any other tools. Yet someone with only one small monitor can't do any extra, am i breaking the rules because i have more monitors?
Emrys Alf Seagull Fleet Alternate Allegiance 3	Posted - 2016.02.23 23:55:41 - [128] - Quote Is this new ban on programs and screen managers going to be the same as removing fleet warps? It seems so.. Seems very knee jerk.. and not though out how far it reaches.. So what was it that caused this desperate attempt to make it fair by banning overlays? Is ISBoxxer Banned? PLH? Where is the line?
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 5765	Posted - 2016.02.23 23:58:06 - [129] - Quote Memphis Baas wrote: It's not just isboxer. You have an unfair advantage if you: - use EFT or pyfa - use evemon to plan ahead - use any of the manufacturing or research calculators to find deals and calculate profits - use a website or app to keep track of wormholes and create a dotlan-map the god awful w-space - use a ship identification chart - use voice comms - check people's killboard resume - have 2+ screens instead of just 1 - unfuck your overview I have cache scraping disabled in EVEmon. It is / was enabled by default. CCP have stated something like that cache scraping is technically against the rules, but their enforcement depends on usage, so I err on the side of paranoia by not doing it. I'm not aware of anything API or CREST related that CCP has ever stated as a no-no, beyond overloading those services. If it otherwise can't be done via the supplied client, I personally don't try to get around that.
Soltys Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 91	Posted - 2016.02.24 00:04:07 - [130] - Quote Quote: We do not endorse or condone the use of any third party applications or other software that modifies the client or otherwise confers an unfair benefit to players. GÇïGÇïGÇïIn short: Do NOT use any tools/applications/modifications which either modify the client in any way OR provide you any kind of unfair benefit/advantage. What is this hypocrtitical bullshit ? You realize that any 3rd party tool falls into this, as anyone not using them (or not creating analogous stuff themselves) is left behind at total unfair disadvantage. You realise that for example "fast price copy" of Evernus or Elinor margin instantly falls into "you gotta get banned" territory if we used the wording above. Yes I know it's fine - but only because the author(s) actually received human reply (contrary to copy pasted eula bullshit I got, see below) in those tools' respective threads. And the list go on - excel, google tools, isk per hour, dotlan, eveeye maps, eve-central, eft, pyfa, mogul and many, many more. You either use some of them, or you're left far behind as a disadvantaged gimp. Saying those tools are fine in context of that section a total and utter hypocrisy. Make the ******* mind up. And semi-offtopic related as it pissed me off to no end - a good while ago I asked your support people if "fast price copy" of Evernus is ok (I even prepared a video showing how it's used and how lightning fast price updates can be with). Over the span of weeks and replies received from 2 GMs I was left with that part of EULA quoted above, constantly copy pasted right into my face (and of course closed ticked), with no capability or interest to actually give simple binary answer: - yes those tools are fine, or - no those tools are not fine A simple question asked precisely becasue of your shity eula that you can use or bend as you see fit at any time and apply it to literally anything. And while with simple stuff your support works, that was one absolutely pathetic experience. Jita Flipping Inc.: Solmp / Kovl

Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 5765	Posted - 2016.02.24 00:09:34 - [131] - Quote ivan skorzeny wrote: Tau Cabalander wrote: Anhenka wrote: This is absolutely the least clear clarification I have ever seen. If you don't use any third-party tools, you may be okay. If you do, you are probably toast. When in doubt, file a petition asking if X is okay.. If still in doubt, don't do it. But this is pretty laughable, i have 3 monitors i can reasonably fit 2 or maybe more clients each, so 6+ clients and there local not using any other tools. Yet someone with only one small monitor can't do any extra, am i breaking the rules because i have more monitors? Are you using third-party overlays or tools to do it? I sometimes use 4 clients, and as many as 6 clients, in windowed mode spanning two monitors, as enabled by the client and launcher. I'm personally not concerned about my usage, but I cannot state anything unequivocally; only CCP can do that.
Som Boty Super Mother Fan Club 8	Posted - 2016.02.24 00:10:27 - [132] - Quote Emrys Alf wrote: Is this new ban on programs and screen managers going to be the same as removing fleet warps? It seems so.. Seems very knee jerk.. and not though out how far it reaches.. So what was it that caused this desperate attempt to make it fair by banning overlays? Is ISBoxxer Banned? PLH? Where is the line? isboxxer may not be banned at this point but all of its features are
Archeras Umangiar CRY.NET Nihilists Social Club 24	Posted - 2016.02.24 00:14:20 - [133] - Quote Som Boty wrote: Emrys Alf wrote: Is this new ban on programs and screen managers going to be the same as removing fleet warps? It seems so.. Seems very knee jerk.. and not though out how far it reaches.. So what was it that caused this desperate attempt to make it fair by banning overlays? Is ISBoxxer Banned? PLH? Where is the line? isboxxer may not be banned at this point but all of its features are m8... just say its banned, stop fiddling the line technicly following that OP says, EVERY 3rd party tool is banned that includes but is not limited to: EFT EVEMON Trading Spreadsheets Trading tools and alot more technicly everything, so thats the reason OP is pretty... mhe, to not say bullshit
Uppsy Daisy Perkone Caldari State 643	Posted - 2016.02.24 00:14:22 - [134] - Quote Tau Cabalander wrote: If it otherwise can't be done via the supplied client, I personally don't try to get around that. No EFT/PYFA ?! The in game fitting tools are literally a joke.. Be serious now.
Som Boty Super Mother Fan Club 8	Posted - 2016.02.24 00:16:07 - [135] - Quote Archeras Umangiar wrote: Som Boty wrote: Emrys Alf wrote: Is this new ban on programs and screen managers going to be the same as removing fleet warps? It seems so.. Seems very knee jerk.. and not though out how far it reaches.. So what was it that caused this desperate attempt to make it fair by banning overlays? Is ISBoxxer Banned? PLH? Where is the line? isboxxer may not be banned at this point but all of its features are m8... just say its banned, stop fiddling the line technicly following that OP says, EVERY 3rd party tool is banned that includes but is not limited to: EFT EVEMON Trading Spreadsheets Trading tools and alot more technicly everything, so thats the reason OP is pretty... mhe, to not say bullshit i didn't disagree..
Avelis Hitman Ave Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance 0	Posted - 2016.02.24 00:31:11 - [136] - Quote What about an overlay that makes a sound anytime a neutral shows up in local ? Doesn't actually affect or interact with the game client; just a program that searches the pixels on the screen for a specific image and makes a sound if image is found ?
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 33402	Posted - 2016.02.24 00:34:14 - [137] - Quote This ISBoxer crackdown seems to be progressing at the same rate as monetization. Are you attempting to cut down on accounts per player now that you think you can make more money per account through monetization? Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 5765	Posted - 2016.02.24 00:35:43 - [138] - Quote Uppsy Daisy wrote: Tau Cabalander wrote: If it otherwise can't be done via the supplied client, I personally don't try to get around that. No EFT/PYFA ?! The in game fitting tools are literally a joke.. Be serious now. I don't think I've launched EFT in over three years. I tried PyFA once, but didn't like it. For my current ship, I just bought modules and fit them, and when they didn't fit I bought the cheapest faction and deadspace modules that did fit, and resold the ones that didn't fit. Of course, those tools use API and the SDE supplied by CCP, so I am personally not concerned about them. I also use EVEmon and Aura, as well as DOTLAN.
Som Boty Super Mother Fan Club 9	Posted - 2016.02.24 00:37:24 - [139] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: This ISBoxer crackdown seems to be progressing at the same rate as monetization. Are you attempting to cut down on accounts per player now that you think you can make more money per account through monetization? this is my thinking, they are working REALLY hard to reduce the number of subscriptions, they must have some kind of other strategy.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 33402	Posted - 2016.02.24 00:38:27 - [140] - Quote Well I'm ready to consolidate ten characters with 1.5 Billion SP into one account if that's the future norm. Let's do this CCP, stop beating around the bush. Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)

Koz Katral Hoover Inc. Pandemic Legion 135	Posted - 2016.02.24 00:38:52 - [141] - Quote When there isn't a single post in this thread supporting this overlay change, its probably a good indicator that you dun goofed.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 33402	Posted - 2016.02.24 00:39:14 - [142] - Quote pull yourself from the teat of multiboxers. Be pure like a real video game. Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Cerva Dynamite Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3	Posted - 2016.02.24 00:40:47 - [143] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: Well I'm ready to consolidate ten characters with 1.5 Billion SP into one account if that's the future norm. Let's do this CCP, stop beating around the bush. I was just thinking about unsubbing my 7 accounts, but thats not such a bad idea.. consolidate all my SP into 3 accounts. 1 per monitor
Chalithra Lathar Rhongomiant Legion Industries The Explicit Alliance 35	Posted - 2016.02.24 00:42:54 - [144] - Quote Koz Katral wrote: When there isn't a single post in this thread supporting this overlay change, its probably a good indicator that you dun goofed. I think someone from CCP had their ship bombed by a multiboxer and has been on a nerd-rampage-crusade ever since.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 33402	Posted - 2016.02.24 00:43:03 - [145] - Quote No way. It would be one account with an increased character limit. Same revenue, less server load, what's not to like. Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 33402	Posted - 2016.02.24 00:45:53 - [146] - Quote There's also been an effort to make EVE bigger. Literally more systems with wormholes and Thera / shattered, and then jump fatigue. Limiting players to one account would be another step in the same direction. Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 33402	Posted - 2016.02.24 00:52:25 - [147] - Quote if players were forced to one client and not be at a disadvantage to multiboxers, you could start making EVE a HMD game. Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Cerva Dynamite Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 5	Posted - 2016.02.24 00:53:10 - [148] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: There's also been an effort to make EVE bigger. Literally more systems with wormholes and Thera / shattered, and then jump fatigue. Limiting players to one account would be another step in the same direction. I think this is a big ruse to combat ISK inflation. If they follow through with this, and all the multiboxing miners unsub their alts/get banned the supply of ore is going to plummet. which for a while will make the prices go up, yes, but eventually they will drop as people stop having enough ISK to buy stuff. Eventually the prices of everything will drop and the actual value of ISK will rise. P.S. I'm terribad at economying
Som Boty Super Mother Fan Club 10	Posted - 2016.02.24 00:54:38 - [149] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: Well I'm ready to consolidate ten characters with 1.5 Billion SP into one account if that's the future norm. Let's do this CCP, stop beating around the bush. I've already started, sold off two toons, 3 more listed. breaking down my WHs now. itll take take me a few days but i've already unsubbed 2 / 15 accounts.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 33402	Posted - 2016.02.24 00:55:20 - [150] - Quote CCP you want EVE to be like Elite and Star Citizen, don't you, and that's what this is about. A five- to ten-year plan to get multiboxing out of the way to make EVE a first-person HMD space game. It's the only thing that makes sense. Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)



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