Its not just isboxer. Read. Its pretty much every utility out there, even Eve-preview.

Go back to Rote inactivity with fever dreams of truesolo.

I read the blog, every word of it. It's not "EVERY" utility out there.
Personally I haven't used EVE-Preview, Pirate's Little Helper, Vision, ISBoxer and many more ever.

Activity is fine, thanks: https://zkillboard.com/character/781584111/

Got anything useful to say, or do you just want to sit there using hyperbole to try to discredit my point?

So if I use the windows managment of ISBOXER (i do) I'm a bad man.

If I use EVE-O (which is free) I'm a bad man.

If I use 4 monitors thats ok.

Seriously, did you read that dev blog or did you just smash your head against the keyboard??

Jesus you lot need to all get over yourselves.

ISBOXER costs money, and is a 3rd party application that they deem to be providing an advantage to players utilising it. They want to ensure a level playing field for ALL players of EVE, irrespective of Financial situation.

Can you highlight in a screenshot a part of the devblog that explicitly said you can't tile or layout the windows around your desktop however the damn hell you want.

I don't have the motivation to join a nullsec block, shell out RL $$$$ for additional software solutions and print money all day without concern.
More than ISK - I can't kill them. It's risk-free to run several accounts in parallel without any concern because you can use these tools they're reviewing to gain this advantage, and to protect yourself from ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAME.

EVE is meant to be hard. Embrace the challenge, friend.

You obviously didn't read the whole thread until now. This is discrediting your point already.

The rest was just being edgy.

It's not fair on me, and many more players to have to contend with people paying for an advantage that isn't available without a monetary subscription to the software.

If this is a huge issue for you, and you're not happy, then get lost.

If you tile your windows in such a way that you can see the overview of an inactive window this would be functionally no different from the above, thus be an unfair advantage and be bannable.

Your missing my point, paying $$$ for ISBOXER is "apparently" now bad, but CCP have no problem with multiple monitors. So sure it stops me mining with 4 clients on 1 screen, but if I go and shell out $$$ for more screens i'm good to go.

How does that level the playing field for you?

CCP is saying that if you can see the overview from other eve clients, on another eve client, you are cheating the game.
You can have two clients open at the same time, arranged on your desktop however you'd like. But an element on one client can't be accessible without switching focus to that client in your desktop OS. This is to say, if you interact with a secondary or tertiary client that it should come to the front of your focus and fully replace the other clients you have open at the same time.

Their issue is specifically when you can interact with secondary, tertiary, and other clients in a way where they are not brought forward into focus, and you can manage several clients in a way other players cannot, without crossing a financial barrier.

Maybe I play a different game to you - but I'm out there every day hunting people trying to earn my way as a honest, humble disciple of poitot.
There are systems upon systems in EVE where people grind out ISK in anoms, sigs and belts constantly. Typically running several characters at once, and using 3rd Party Tools to provide audible alerts when a hostile (me) comes along to gank/kill/fight whoever I can.
These are advantages I cannot compete with. I do not make isk in this way, if I want isk, I run incursions. I do market stuff, I kill people and re-sell whatever falls off their wreck. I don't have the motivation to join a nullsec block, shell out RL $$$$ for additional software solutions and print money all day without concern.
More than ISK - I can't kill them. It's risk-free to run several accounts in parallel without any concern because you can use these tools they're reviewing to gain this advantage, and to protect yourself from ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAME.

EVE is meant to be hard. Embrace the challenge, friend.

This thread is just full of people who haven't read the devblog and are presuming its saying something it isn't.

Playing multiple clients is fine, playing those clients in windowed mode is fine. Using a 3rd-party program to position those windows is fine.

Whats not ok is using 3rd-party programs to overlay elements of one client on top of another client.

We donGÇÖt know all the tools out there and what they do exactly - and frankly we donGÇÖt care. If you get banned, then this is because the results of what you did and how you potentially gained from it manifested in our server-side logs.

Its not only about the for-pay isboxer, its also about a couple of free application that do the same thing.

I don't get how this isn't explicitly clear - you even highlighted it. I get what they mean, I'll reword it and see if it ticks with you.


CCP is saying that if you can see the overview from other eve clients, on another eve client, you are cheating the game.
You can have two clients open at the same time, arranged on your desktop however you'd like. But an element on one client can't be accessible without switching focus to that client in your desktop OS. This is to say, if you interact with a secondary or tertiary client that it should come to the front of your focus and fully replace the other clients you have open at the same time.

Their issue is specifically when you can interact with secondary, tertiary, and other clients in a way where they are not brought forward into focus, and you can manage several clients in a way other players cannot, without crossing a financial barrier.

For example, having overviews from other EVE clients as overlays on one EVE client would allow a player to get real time intel from all those other game instances without having to switch to the other windows

Are you sure about that mate?



In other words you better not even LOOK fishy and we don't care how.

It is far from unreasonable for people to be concerned about this ESPECIALLY when it's a big trumpeted announcement like this.

"Hey guys, we'd like to clarify some things" and then go on to clarify NOTHING oh and "oh and by the way we don't care why you might be flagged, if you're flagged that's a commissaring".

If CCP wanted people to stop, they would remove those options from the Eve client/launcher.

Most 3rd-party programs don't actually break the EULA, its what people do with those programs that means the player has broken the EULA. So CCP are quite sensible in saying they don't care which program(/tool)s are being used, its what people are doing with them that concerns them.

If people are incapable of working out if they are breaking the EULA or not, then those people should stop using 3rd party programs whilst playing Eve.

Sorry, that reasoning does not work.

The contradiction here is that they design the game one way
-multi account/multi client encouraged (-> one physical player IRL, multiple avatar simultaneously IG)
-borderless windows
and now they are roughly saying "dont use those features, it can create unfair advantages!"
And they seems to have not follow Operating Systems/computer evolution that now allow multiple clients display at the same time without additionnal software...

And they are also encouraging the community to use THEIR own API to create , not plugin to the game that everyone one can access -for example by an official IG listing of whats available) but 3rd party tools that sometimes you have to pay isk to have acces to, or be part of a certains corp .

Maybe CCP should clearly redesign the base concept of the game before redacting their EULA

There is no need for reasoning. CCP is not going to ban people for using the ingame graphical options. Remember CCP don't care what programs/tools you use its what you use them for, so using a 3rd-party program to mange the same options available in the ingame options is not an issue.

Go back a read what the devblog/EULA/ToS actually says.

There is no need for reasoning. CCP is not going to ban people for using the ingame graphical options. Remember CCP don't care what programs/tools you use its what you use them for, so using a 3rd-party program to mange the same options available in the ingame options is not an issue.

Go back a read what the devblog/EULA/ToS actually says.

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Are you playing the game exclusively with what comes "out of the box", no EFT, no Dotlan, no Siggy, etc ?

Yes. I'm sure.

The Eve client allows you to launch multiple instances of it. (excluding trials)
The Eve client alows you to run in windowed mode.
The Eve client allows you to change the resolution the client is displayed in.

If CCP wanted people to stop, they would remove those options from the Eve client/launcher.

Most 3rd-party programs don't actually break the EULA, its what people do with those programs that means the player has broken the EULA. So CCP are quite sensible in saying they don't care which program(/tool)s are being used, its what people are doing with them that concerns them.

If people are incapable of working out if they are breaking the EULA or not, then those people should stop using 3rd party programs whilst playing Eve.

Just wanted to check with you about 'Pirates Little Helper'.

It is a programme were you CTRL-A CTRL+C in local and it brings it up out of game, you get little icons which show what militia they are in, whether they are known to be link toons or whether they USE link toons. It also shows how many of each corp/alliance or in local without trolling though them.

It gives you instant access to their KB, their last KB activity and what their 3 favourite ships are. It also gives the average number of pilots on all of their killmails (good for identifying gangs/bait)

Can you confirm this is something that is ok to use?

No, I used EFT, Evemon(with cache scrapper turned off), Dotlan, Isboxer and Eve-preview fairly often. I'll be getting rid of Isboxer soon and I have no worries because I do not use them to break the EULA.

What difference does what 3rd-party programs I use make to anything?