Ah, there's your problem. You've overextended and can't defend all your space, so it gets taken from you.

Lol = tears

get mental help friend

I think itGÇÖs a bit more complicated than that. Even if they consolidated to a single null constellation I doubt theyGÇÖd be able to defend against the current opposition.

broadcast for reps

HAHAHAHA. So it's plenty risky to stick an entosis link on a disposable ship and fire it at a structure? Stop being terrible. Seriously guy, if you can't see the clear difference in what people have to put on the line between attackers and defenders it's because you don't want to. Anyone even remotely objective can see where the problem lies, and the funny part is that one day you'll probably try to hold sov and you'll be right back here with the exact same problems.

What's becoming clear to most people now is that it's pretty much the best idea to live in lowsec or npc nullsec bordering sov space and use sov casually rather than actually owning it and living directly in it. The whole concept of ownership and belonging has been chucked. This is why the current war has no real endgame. Even if we lose the majority of our space there's nothing stopping us doing exactly what MBC are doing then nobody is owning it, and what we end up with is two massive coalitions fighting each other perpetually and we've back to blob vs blob.

Man, you are making Lucas (and other goon members in this thread) look really better than you. Is that really what are you trying to achieve? Even me (hater for goons for YEARS and person who left 2 good alliances just because they joined goon side) find myself agreeing with their points.

Ah, there's your problem. You've overextended and can't defend all your space, so it gets taken from you.

I think itGÇÖs a bit more complicated than that. Even if they consolidated to a single null constellation I doubt theyGÇÖd be able to defend against the current opposition.

Lol

Making sov organic somehow is a nice thought, but you wouldn't get the same satisfaction as long as players could contest sov ownership in forum threads with "yuh huh, nuh uh"

An entosis T1 frigate is an easy as **** target. Its locked down to 4k/s speed and cannot warp for five minutes. A single Tanaris can clear out half a dozen entosis ships in 5 minutes. The reason you guys are being run ragged is because you own WAY too much space and don't have enough pvpers to defend it properly. Less space, not **** alliance, more pvpers. Pick one.

Maybe you should try undocking then?

Lucas I don't think you understand how = works

Sometimes I wonder if you guys are starting to believe your own propaganda.

Except that's clearly not the case. Under the current sov system it really doesn't matter how many PvPers you've got or now much you try to use your system, if someone wants you out they will achieve that because every time they attack they weaken your space and it costs them basically nothing while you have no ability to retaliate because you're dealing with structure mining and ADMs constantly. This is why trying to actually live out of sov while at war is suicide - which you guys clearly know hence most of BoB abandoning sov to go to war. Sometimes I wonder if you guys are starting to believe your own propaganda.

This has been said and debunked multiple times. Please go back and reread the thread and let me know once done. Ta.

Its literally the case. Saying "that's not the case" doesn't suddenly make it not true that any interceptor can catch a T1 frigate, and most of them can pretty easily whelp an entosis fit one. Hell, you don't even need to catch it, a beam slicer can just orbit it at 20k and melt it without even bothering for tackle.

We've invested time and money into making your lives miserable. Its working. Blame your leaders for making so many enemies.

To be honest, so far the only thing that was established is that you are uncomfortable defending your space. Current levels of offensive action aside (anyone would be in trouble in such situation), I don't think that your ability to keep space under your flag in the long run means that your are not overextending. I was under impression that doing so comfortably would be a sign of "proper" size. Which of course is inversely proportional to amount of people you pissed off enough that they drop anything fun they were doing and go camp/sovlaser your systems instead.

There will be no place for them to hide. Plans are already being made about who will live in deklein, fade, branch etc. Trust me there is tons of interest for occupying the north. After we take all their space we will camp their low sec staging every day until their alliance shrinks to a level that we find satisfactory.

The goons will only exist as a form that we allow.

It's a simple case of numbers, when you have over a thousand enemies drop into your space and you have a 150 man fleet to defend, it's not overextension if you lose space. If we were overextended we wouldn't be able to defend against even a balanced attack, which clearly we were able to do. It's pretty simple to understand, if you have 1000 people in a single system and a 2000 man fleet flies in and roflstomps you, you didn't lose because you were overextended.

I'm sure an interceptor can take down a T1 frigate, and I'll let you know just as soon as I'm in that circumstance, until then it's as helpful as saying "if the enemy has a loaf of bread on his face he can't fight you anyway".

Why would I blame my leaders? I like having lots of enemies. What I hate is having to waste time mining structures because CCP thought it would be a great idea to guarantee that sov holders can do nothing but spend all day gridning ADMs and firing a sov laser. I was in favour of full occupancy based sov, where living in your space meant you kept it but fighting other players directly is how you took it and defended it. This rubbish they've put in instead is dire. You may not believe that but even CCP do, which is why they've already scrapped it from citadels.

I specifically said "Current levels of offensive action aside". I fully understand that under current circumstances sov will be lost no matter the mechanics behind it.

No, its like saying rock beats scissors, then you insist that is not true. I'm gonna assume TMC is going to put out an article soon about how terribly under-powered interceptors are after that 12b interceptor whelp.

I'm not saying t's not true, I'm simply saying it's not pertinent to the current situation since they aren't using scissors. You're saying "An interceptor can defeat a T1 frigate, therefore the fact that there are hundreds of nodes to fire a laser at every day is no longer boring, even though T1 frigates aren't what are generally being used". It makes no sense.