You don't have to sov mine the nodes. They'll automatically win for the defender after 1H30M. So you just have to fly around killing people doing the entosis work. If you put half the effort you put whining on the forums into defending your space, maybe Bastion and LAWN wouldn't be homeless right now.

You don't have to sov mine the nodes. They'll automatically win for the defender after 1H30M. So you just have to fly around killing people doing the entosis work. If you put half the effort you put whining on the forums into defending your space, maybe Bastion and LAWN wouldn't be homeless right now.

Now you're just being ridiculous. Yeah, we'll just let the nodes idle, that's sure to win. I get that you like the mechanics being in your favour, so I can see why you're getting so defensive over the idea of CCP actually fixing them, but those of us that actually like to enjoy the game can see that they are pretty dire. Remember, you only like them because you don't actually want to hold sov. If you did I guarantee after a few serious attacks you'd be jumping right on the same bandwagon.

It's a simple case of numbers, when you have over a thousand enemies drop into your space and you have a 150 man fleet to defend, it's not overextension if you lose space. If we were overextended we wouldn't be able to defend against even a balanced attack, which clearly we were able to do. It's pretty simple to understand, if you have 1000 people in a single system and a 2000 man fleet flies in and roflstomps you, you didn't lose because you were overextended.

I literally hold sov right now.

So does The Culture. We actually fight each other over sov on a semi-regular basis. Because we're not ****.

Seems odd to hear a CFC member complain about overwhelming numbers. Why just over 6 months ago CFC was employing this exact same tactic in Providence to "prove" to CCP that an overwhelming force could just take what they wanted with impunity....then they proceeded to get roflstomped out by ProviBloc over 2 weeks. Difference of course being ProvidBloc actually actively defended their space against the CFC where as CFC is just abandoning regions en mass then whining about it later.

Hold it simply because it's available no doubt. And no, if you fight each other on a regular basis and have made not steps towards actually defeating each other you're either specifically aiming not to involve sov mechanics (thus proving the point that they are boring) or you are in fact ****. I'm actually betting it's the former.

Hey, don;t get me wrong I've got nothing against overwhelming numbers, and I have no problem losing space to a bigger group rolling in, I just disagree with the notion that losing space is proof of being overextended, and I wish the game was entertaining when defending a region rather than being force to mine structures rather than just fight. Sov should be a byproduct of playing the game and fighting each other, not a fixed, timer based mechanic.

We got paid to stop fighting each other and come **** on you. Which we gladly took because we both despise your leadership. After we roll you we'll probably get back to slapping each other silly. Again, this all comes down to you getting dogpiled because your coalitions diplomacy is absolute ****.

Our diplomacy isn't any more **** than some of your bigger "allies". The main difference is that they gave up their territories last year without even trying to defend it once in Aegis sov, because like us, they already knew the new system would be kind of terrible, and unlike us they don't have the perseverance to even try.

No, they just don't want to put in effort to hold space. They clearly wanted to hold space for years before, otherwise they wouldn't have.

Hey, don;t get me wrong I've got nothing against overwhelming numbers, and I have no problem losing space to a bigger group rolling in, I just disagree with the notion that losing space is proof of being overextended, and I wish the game was entertaining when defending a region rather than being force to mine structures rather than just fight. Sov should be a byproduct of playing the game and fighting each other, not a fixed, timer based mechanic.

TLDR
ProviBloc 15K dudes 1 Region, successful defense vs 40K man coalition
CFC 40K dudes 8 Regions, abysmal failure vs 50K man coalition

TLDR
ProviBloc 15K dudes 1 Region, successful defense vs 40K man coalition
CFC 40K dudes 8 Regions, abysmal failure vs 50K man coalition

Math isn't hard, 3-4 regions, leaning to the lesser side depending on the quality of you PVP core. Provi has proven with adequate numbers you can defend your space against a much larger foe.

I agree, the situation has changed. But cut the crap about the imperium getting expelled for when you've actually managed to do it, will you? This war is far from over.

We got paid to stop fighting each other and come **** on you. Which we gladly took because we both despise your leadership. After we roll you we'll probably get back to slapping each other silly. Again, this all comes down to you getting dogpiled because your coalitions diplomacy is absolute ****.

"this isn't about you, it's about your leadership" is a tired cliche and you should feel bad for using it

I'm 99% confident you couldn't name anyone in Imperium leadership beyond The Mittani and Sion

By this logic, the Imperium equals goonswarm. Because whilst you are still holding Deklein you are certainly not still holding Vale, Tribute, Fade etc. But I guess those weren't held by GSF so they don't count.

Grr gons hat gons.

Boo boo hoo

Ha trick question it's ALL mittens and Sion.

Waded through this thread and I'd had my own thoughts.

Our Alliance entosis things to provoke fights. Before everybody dog piled into fighting The Imperium/CFC we rarely got a decent fight because Goons would just drop Super caps on us, to which we have no counter. They never looked for fun fights and to be fair if that's how they roll and their line members are happy with that then I can't complain.

Imperium was vastly over extended and even Mitten's acknowledges this. Whilst I can understand his call to fall back (a bit like the USSR did in WW II) it must be disheartening to other alliances knowing 'their' space is probably gone forever.

As for SMA, the same O.P is crying on another thread about the threat from a lone entosising Condor, explaining how they all have to dock up, wait for an FC to form a fleet to go and kill the menace! If one entosising Condor is such a threat no wonder your empire is crumbling!

As for the actual sov mechanics - sov-wanding isn't the best game play but it's better then the old super blob wins sov we had before. Also, nothing will stop boredom and burn out being a tactic used in sov warfare no matter what system you use. Nobody is going to suicide fleets against an enemy they know they can't beat and attackers who don't get a fight will have to put up with the boredom that entails.