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BlackDog Rackh'am Minmatar Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 04:50:00 - [691] Originally by: Torshin Edited by: Torshin on 17/02/2007 03:48:32 Originally by: Dagrin RDM Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am So, please stop with the cheating accusations and focus on the simple facts. BoB might have been cheating, or they might have not been. The single irrefutable fact remains that they did everything in their power to ensure an AFK-kill. The ones considered master players of this game couldn't take it ingame. They did everything they could do in a non-bannable way to kill this titan while the pilot was out of the game and he infact took some precautions in regards to aggro timer. I don't know about you, but if i was an active player flying with D2 i would be damn proud to have them as allies, because obviously people are scared of them enough to only try and kill their big toys when the pilots are not in front of their keyboards. Sounds right to me. I area with this post to a point. they did everything possible to ensure a afk-kill that is undeniable, the thing i disagree with is that bob would not seize any oppertunity to kill the titan while the pilot is logged on. It is just too hard to kill while the pilot is logged on. Its not like they weren't trying to engage the titan the entire day so the part about only try and kill is incorrect. So? Does that make it ok to manipulate the aggro timer? It's still a non-intended use of a game mechanic. I think i saw someone in this thread post the EULA/TOS articles about it being considered an exploit, someone care to point me to it? I would love it if they were easier to tackle and cheaper to build so you could risk it and replace it in proper ingame scenarios. This however was the cheapest stunt i have ever seen in this game and i've been here for close to 3 years now. Granted, i'm not the most active of players, but i login often enough to keep tabs on what's going on in the universe. And let me clarify that i'm not referring to the use of spies as cheap, but to the misuse of a game mechanic. It's not D2's fault that titan's and motherships can't be held down long enough, it's CCP's design. Most certainly, it's not the player's job to circumvent a flawed design by manipulating another one like BoB did in this case. That is, unless they really are devs who are using a shortcut solution to avoid rewriting some code See, we can't all have our cake and eat it too Originally by: Eloryan Persago, Goonfleet I welcome you to the coalition of people with user access to EvE
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express	Posted - 2007.02.17 04:59:00 - [692] I feel for D2, I hope the pilot that betrayed them has been punished accordingly with many poddings.... It is obvious that BoB had no intentions of trying to fight the Titan fairly. They had every opportunity to do so and thus chose only to engage it when they had access to metagaming information in which they knew the pilot would have to log off. I can only hope down the road that someone betrays BoB and their allies in a like manner and it costs them as dearly. Chin up D2 at least your fighting the good fight :) Galactic Express Recruitment Post Thoughts expressed are mine and
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:01:00 - [693] Originally by: ElweSingollo Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Portios Smith Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Portios Smith So let me get this straight, I am playing a game where the best way to win at PvP is to manipulate game mechanics so that I can pwn n00bs once they are offline. May be we should change the name to EVE Offline CCP this is laughable. /me shopping for a new game where the fighting is done online Sorry mate, Im a bit mixed up, are you talking about BoB killing D2's Titan or NCA and friends killing LV's one in production? OH WAIT.... Dear BoD alt, Is quite different to storm a system with everyting you got hoping for a an epic fight and the darn game just beeing unable to handle it, to purposely plan the attack of an offline player by abusing game mechanics. We wanted a fight. BoD wanted a cheap titan kill. You didnt want a fight you wanted a nodecrash. If there had been a fight you would have lost heavily. An hour before the main event, 150 Goons jumped into our camp, and managed to kill 4 frigates (one t2) before ALL DYING. If the node hadnt crashed, we would see 800 killmails on the LV boards instead of just 150. Don't kid yourself you could have won without a node crash, because you couldnt and your commanders were relying on that. Yeah right If the nodes could handle all of us in the local, i can tell you that more than 1 LV titan would get killed then. And why do you think we bring such big numbers to fight?, is it because we will kill LV? or is it to get node crashes? Well the answer is easy, so yes answer 1 is the right one. No, answer 2 is. The Conventional fleet is useless because LV have titans that can DD them UNLESS THE NODE CRASHES. You only brought it (hi Goon noob frigs) to cause a node crash. ITs no coincidence that only t1 ships jumped in the first "CRASH ME" wave. One DD an hour... that can miss yeah that will wtfbbqpwn every fleet there ever was in fact yeah a Titan can win eve on it's own . When there is only one gate to get in by and it has 15 L bubbles preventing warp off, 1 DD an hour = 300 kills.
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:03:00 - [694] Originally by: Mecinia Lua I feel for D2, I hope the pilot that betrayed them has been punished accordingly with many poddings.... It is obvious that BoB had no intentions of trying to fight the Titan fairly. They had every opportunity to do so and thus chose only to engage it when they had access to metagaming information in which they knew the pilot would have to log off. I can only hope down the road that someone betrays BoB and their allies in a like manner and it costs them as dearly. Chin up D2 at least your fighting the good fight :) How does one fight a titan fairly? Even the CCP endorsed tactic required it be on its own and bumped to buggery!
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:07:00 - [695] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Mecinia Lua I feel for D2, I hope the pilot that betrayed them has been punished accordingly with many poddings.... It is obvious that BoB had no intentions of trying to fight the Titan fairly. They had every opportunity to do so and thus chose only to engage it when they had access to metagaming information in which they knew the pilot would have to log off. I can only hope down the road that someone betrays BoB and their allies in a like manner and it costs them as dearly. Chin up D2 at least your fighting the good fight :) How does one fight a titan fairly? Even the CCP endorsed tactic required it be on its own and bumped to buggery! Red Alliance has engaged one fairly, if they'd had just a few more ships, particularly ones equipped with NOS at that battle, BoB's titan would have been destroyed I'm pretty sure :) So yes it can be done :) Galactic Express Recruitment Post Thoughts expressed are mine and
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:08:00 - [696] Originally by: Fitz Regal Originally by: Kurtz Weber So much about all the devHAXsploit theories :S Which bit of using a passive targetter to fire through pos shields did u miss? It seems you've missed the picture showing the Titan being hit with a smartbomb outside of the shields. The passive target shooting through POS bubble bug of the past has nothing to do with this Titan dying because, simply put, the titan was not inside of a POS bubble when it was aggressed. As for the LV titan in construction that died, if it was 1000 bees going to hit 450 defenders, no node crash would've resulted in lots of pesticides and dead bees. You'd have been fighting people on their terms, and unlike you, they could have rejoined the fight almost instantly by grabbing another ship in system. What would be highly amusing is if LV lied to the spy, and the Titan was somewhere else, say, Delve. You might need sov to anchor a cap ship array, but iirc, you don't need to keep sov to keep building in it. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Gallente Caliente Anti-BoB Flash Mob	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:09:00 - [697] It's an exploit, and it's really quite easy to see that when you actually attempt to be purely objective, transcending the sides of this war. An exploit is doing something that is in direct conflict with what CCP has designed it to do. -Commiting a crime in highsec and then evading Concorde is entirely possible. But its an exploit. -Suiciding newbs as they start the game is entirely within game mechanics. But it conflicts with how the game is meant to be played. Therefore CCP says exploit. -Keeping someone in corp by changing their roles repeatedly, a "valid" game mechanic. Nope, exploit. -Using the aggro timer in a way that it was not designed for (ding, ding, ding). Exploit. -Shooting wrecks to keep the aggro timer going. Acknowledged exploit and no different then what happened. -Etc, etc, etc. As stated by someone a million pages back, it's entirely possible that the pilot was aggro'd seconds before he actually logged and was completely unaware of it, even if he might have been watching for it. Him showing in local in that pic means nothing, its not video showing him sitting there for 10 seconds or 30 seconds or a minute. It's a split second photo. He could have already had the esc menu up. Maybe he had it up for a short while as he was adjusting a setting before hitting the quit button. There could've been lag involved. He could've seen the cov ops pilot and thought nothing of it since he was blue. Sure he can expect a spy, but what's a spy in a cov ops gonna do? People don't assume exploits are happening left and right, they assume people will play the damn game as its supposed to be played, using common decency and a fair play attitude. There are plenty of other scenarios that all make perfect sense and are far more likely then just a dumb titan pilot. Its entirely possible. On that note I'd almost say it's entirely possible BoB has done this before, but it wasn't caught (hint, hint, we'll never know). I'm not saying any of this as fact, but common sense says to me that he was fully unaware of the aggro timer, especialy since it's famously happened before. And that is an abuse of the aggro timer and therefore an exploit. Cliff notes: Exploit ----------------------------------------------- www.nobob.info
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:09:00 - [698] I have to give BoB credit. Not for killing the titan, but for staying off these forums. The best way of changing public opinion about BoB is to let the rest of the children talk.
Crass Spektakel Amarr Coreward Technologies	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:14:00 - [699] Edited by: Crass Spektakel on 17/02/2007 05:10:56 Ok, then lets say me more polite: They couldn't kill a fly if it hits their windshield without refering to some strange glitching. Crass Spektakel life is short and in most cases it ends with death but my tombstone will carry the hiscore
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:22:00 - [700] It was a legit (although very cheesy) way of killing a supercap. On the bright side BoB will never be able to throw around the "metagaming" flame on these forums since over the ASCN war and now this war they have proved to be the undisputed masters of this form of gameplay.

Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:23:00 - [701] Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Mecinia Lua I feel for D2, I hope the pilot that betrayed them has been punished accordingly with many poddings.... It is obvious that BoB had no intentions of trying to fight the Titan fairly. They had every opportunity to do so and thus chose only to engage it when they had access to metagaming information in which they knew the pilot would have to log off. I can only hope down the road that someone betrays BoB and their allies in a like manner and it costs them as dearly. Chin up D2 at least your fighting the good fight :) How does one fight a titan fairly? Even the CCP endorsed tactic required it be on its own and bumped to buggery! When people say fair, they mean within the game rules, that's all. If you take note, you will see that there are reasonable people who don't complain about the existence of spies. What's wrong here is that a certain game mechanic that's meant to enhance/balance the playing experience has been abused to cause damage to a player that is not in the game, can't fight back and has no knowledge of what's happening. To put it simply, a player suffered non-preventable ingame loss while he was not in the game, having also taken some necessary precautions prior to exiting. That's the whole issue, the fact that it was a spy doesn't matter at all. What matters is that a certain game mechanic was abused to yield results different than desired by CCP at the time of its implementation. If i read that EULA/TOS part correctly, it should be classed as an exploit. D2 don't let your pride get the best of your judgement, get someone who's calm enough to petition it, quote the relevant parts of CCP's own rules and escalate the petition to a senior GM if you need to. People were complaining about not getting reimbursed for other things, among which the exploit that involves shooting the wrecks, but recently i learned of a case where the player escalated the petition and got reimbursed. It's not your fault that loopholes exist, just don't pretend it's raining when people p*ss on you and take appropriate action with the GMs. Its not a bug its an intended game mechanic that friendly fire is included in the aggro timer. Since its not a bug, using it cannot be an exploit. Using something for a different purpose than its intention is not an exploit provided it is all done ingame and it does not involve a bug, otherwise you can claim that instas were an exploit, Can mining is an exploit etc etc etc
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:24:00 - [702] Originally by: AKULA UrQuan It was a legit (although very cheesy) way of killing a supercap. On the bright side BoB will never be able to throw around the "metagaming" flame on these forums since over the ASCN war and now this war they have proved to be the undisputed masters of this form of gameplay. When have they ever done this? MEtagaming provided it does not break laws has always been embraced by Bob and every other major alliance
Crellion Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:29:00 - [703] It was a brilliantly executed move. Very very sneaky of course ... but people who say it was an exploit must have been playing a different game. @ Blackdog: ti exploit re malaka eisai sobaros? mh les tetoia tha se paroun me tis petres Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Daring Devilina Anti-BoB Flash Mob	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:34:00 - [704] Originally by: Gallente Caliente It's an exploit, and it's really quite easy to see that when you actually attempt to be purely objective, transcending the sides of this war. An exploit is doing something that is in direct conflict with what CCP has designed it to do. -Commiting a crime in highsec and then evading Concorde is entirely possible. But its an exploit. -Suiciding newbs as they start the game is entirely within game mechanics. But it conflicts with how the game is meant to be played. Therefore CCP says exploit. -Keeping someone in corp by changing their roles repeatedly, a "valid" game mechanic. Nope, exploit. -Using the aggro timer in a way that it was not designed for (ding, ding, ding). Exploit. -Shooting wrecks to keep the aggro timer going. Acknowledged exploit and no different then what happened. -Etc, etc, etc. As stated by someone a million pages back, it's entirely possible that the pilot was aggro'd seconds before he actually logged and was completely unaware of it, even if he might have been watching for it. Him showing in local in that pic means nothing, its not video showing him sitting there for 10 seconds or 30 seconds or a minute. It's a split second photo. He could have already had the esc menu up. Maybe he had it up for a short while as he was adjusting a setting before hitting the quit button. There could've been lag involved. He could've seen the cov ops pilot and thought nothing of it since he was blue. Sure he can expect a spy, but what's a spy in a cov ops gonna do? People don't assume exploits are happening left and right, they assume people will play the damn game as its supposed to be played, using common decency and a fair play attitude. There are plenty of other scenarios that all make perfect sense and are far more likely then just a dumb titan pilot. Its entirely possible. On that note I'd almost say it's entirely possible BoB has done this before, but it wasn't caught (hint, hint, we'll never know). I'm not saying any of this as fact, but common sense says to me that he was fully unaware of the aggro timer, especialy since it's famously happened before. And that is an abuse of the aggro timer and therefore an exploit. Cliff notes: Exploit Dictionary.com for Exploit - Which one applies to BOBs tactics 1. Exploit - a striking or notable deed; feat; spirited or heroic act: the exploits of Alexander the Great. 2. Exploit - to use selfishly for one's own ends: employers who exploit their workers. 3. Exploint - To advertise; promote. 4. Exploit - To make use of selfishly or unethically: a country that exploited peasant labor. How no doubt that BOB's tactics are at the bottom of the list. No straight up attack on a POS like was done to LV (Brilliantly executed by lots of peeps). It was an exploit of an aggro timer and truly a shameful way to play the game. No, I am not claiming that BOB was informed by GMs on where the Titan was or how you can sneak an attack. I just find it a shameful way to play the game. Makes me wonder if BOB fights with their precious Titan(s) Time to rise up and fight the BULLY on the street corner. Time to show those who think they can cheat their way around a game instead of playing thru it's rules of Honor. BOB MUST BE DEALT WITH NOW!! Daring Devilina (NOBOB Painpusher) -------------------- www.nobob.info
BossNova Guiding Star Industries	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:35:00 - [705] Originally by: HankMurphy Originally by: BossNova D2: Much respect for being classy about the whole affair. BOB: Mad respect for being incredibly organized, brilliant, and successful at achieving your goals. Other bandwagonners: Cry more. You sound like the British when the Americans would shoot at the redcoats from the trees. Honorable? This is a war. You play by the rules, and if you succeed, you succeed. Standing in straight lines and shooting at each other until one army is forced to retreat--that sounds stupid to everyone nowadays. Well, shooting at a titan when it has every escape measure available and when it has a huge backup which shoots back at you--that sounds stupid to BOB. There's a difference between using well-known and well-defined game rules to your advantage and crashing the system, which is not part of the in-game rules to your advantage. This isn't even considered hypocrisy. It goes beyond hypocrisy. If RedSwarm did the same thing, it would be hypocrisy. But RedSwarm did a much worse thing, exploiting the weakness of the computer clusters, rather than exploiting the weakness of the opponent's ability to understand and respond to GAME MECHANICS. QED. Will you marry me? Yes. Write up the contract, and I'll pick up the marriage license in Jita. I like how all the bandwaggoners ignore my logic. GG 13 year olds.
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:42:00 - [706] Originally by: BossNova Originally by: HankMurphy Originally by: BossNova D2: Much respect for being classy about the whole affair. BOB: Mad respect for being incredibly organized, brilliant, and successful at achieving your goals. Other bandwagonners: Cry more. You sound like the British when the Americans would shoot at the redcoats from the trees. Honorable? This is a war. You play by the rules, and if you succeed, you succeed. Standing in straight lines and shooting at each other until one army is forced to retreat--that sounds stupid to everyone nowadays. Well, shooting at a titan when it has every escape measure available and when it has a huge backup which shoots back at you--that sounds stupid to BOB. There's a difference between using well-known and well-defined game rules to your advantage and crashing the system, which is not part of the in-game rules to your advantage. This isn't even considered hypocrisy. It goes beyond hypocrisy. If RedSwarm did the same thing, it would be hypocrisy. But RedSwarm did a much worse thing, exploiting the weakness of the computer clusters, rather than exploiting the weakness of the opponent's ability to understand and respond to GAME MECHANICS. QED. Will you marry me? Yes. Write up the contract, and I'll pick up the marriage license in Jita. I like how all the bandwaggoners ignore my logic. GG 13 year olds. I'd only marry this twit if I could take out some fat life insurance policy before knifing them in the face and dumping their dead body in the ocean. Or throwing it into a wood chipper a la 'Fargo' style and sending the remains out into some deserted river or something. Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!!
Gallente Caliente Anti-BoB Flash Mob	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:43:00 - [707] Edited by: Gallente Caliente on 17/02/2007 05:39:54 Originally by: BossNova I like how all the bandwaggoners ignore my logic. GG 13 year olds. What logic? Do you think its entirely possible all 1000 or whatever of them just wanted to fight? Should they go in single file in groups of 25 to get picked off? The servers are CCPs problem, there is no magic number that prevents lag and node crashing every time. Well known and well defined? See my earlier post. How's them logic apples taste? ----------------------------------------------- www.nobob.info
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:47:00 - [708] I read this thread and became dumber.
Cloe Tempanos	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:52:00 - [709] this game is getting worse by the day...first ccp is proven to be cheating ****heads aiding BOD, now BOB resorts to every imaginable exploit and low-blow tactic to win. all respect for CCP and BOB has been destroyed as of now. thanks CCP i needed a break from this game anyways.
Milena Rage The Aftermath	Posted - 2007.02.17 05:53:00 - [710] Edited by: Milena Rage on 17/02/2007 05:50:36 Originally by: w0rmy I read this thread and became dumber. QFT ;p Originally by: Cloe Tempanos this game is getting worse by the day...first ccp is proven to be cheating ****heads aiding BOD, now BOB resorts to every imaginable exploit and low-blow tactic to win. all respect for CCP and BOB has been destroyed as of now. thanks CCP i needed a break from this game anyways. wts clue You really have no idea, do you? When you take a break, pleaaaaseeee don't come back.

BlackDog Rackh'am Minmatar Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 06:00:00 - [711] Edited by: BlackDog Rackh''am on 17/02/2007 06:00:15 Originally by: Crellion It was a brilliantly executed move. Very very sneaky of course ... but people who say it was an exploit must have been playing a different game. @ Blackdog: ti exploit re malaka eisai sobaros? mh les tetoia tha se paroun me tis petres I'm not saying it deffinitely is an exploit. I'm saying it's use of a game mechanic in a way it was not intended to be used when CCP implemented this. Now, if abuse of a game mechanic=exploit in CCP's book there might be a chance for D2 to get their ship back and they should petition, that's all i'm saying. The aggro timer was introduced to prevent 2-3 snipping BS from doing fly bys popping your support and logging off when tacklers get within 30km of them. I don't think it was introduced with the sole aim of making capital ship pilots surrender all life to the confines of this virtual world and never logoff. What do you think? EDIT: From the player conduct section of the FAQ Quote: 12.1 What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. Though every effort is made to avoid glitches that enable exploits to be used, they are occasionally discovered. Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit. Those who are charged with employing the use of exploits will be reprimanded, which may include temporary suspension or a permanent ban of the account. Professing ignorance that you didnÆt know you were using an exploit will not prevent the enforcement of this rule. Linkage Originally by: Eloryan Persago, Goonfleet I welcome you to the coalition of people with user access to EvE
Crellion Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.17 06:08:00 - [712] Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am ... Linkage I think it was meant to catch ships logging off while aggroed. Nothing more nothing less. Your sniper ship description probably accounts successfully for 2% of the intended use tbh... but thats just my opinion. Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Gallente Caliente Anti-BoB Flash Mob	Posted - 2007.02.17 06:23:00 - [713] Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am Edited by: BlackDog Rackh''am on 17/02/2007 06:00:15 Originally by: Crellion It was a brilliantly executed move. Very very sneaky of course ... but people who say it was an exploit must have been playing a different game. @ Blackdog: ti exploit re malaka eisai sobaros? mh les tetoia tha se paroun me tis petres I'm not saying it deffinitely is an exploit. I'm saying it's use of a game mechanic in a way it was not intended to be used when CCP implemented this. Now, if abuse of a game mechanic=exploit in CCP's book there might be a chance for D2 to get their ship back and they should petition, that's all i'm saying. The aggro timer was introduced to prevent 2-3 snipping BS from doing fly bys popping your support and logging off when tacklers get within 30km of them. I don't think it was introduced with the sole aim of making capital ship pilots surrender all life to the confines of this virtual world and never logoff. What do you think? EDIT: From the player conduct section of the FAQ Quote: 12.1 What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. Though every effort is made to avoid glitches that enable exploits to be used, they are occasionally discovered. Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit. Those who are charged with employing the use of exploits will be reprimanded, which may include temporary suspension or a permanent ban of the account. Professing ignorance that you didnÆt know you were using an exploit will not prevent the enforcement of this rule. Linkage Well there it is, case closed. ----------------------------------------------- www.nobob.info
Mystical Angel	Posted - 2007.02.17 06:30:00 - [714] So, after this is all said and done how many titans were actually legitamitly killed?
Skeltek Caldari Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.17 06:40:00 - [715] Quote: 12.14 How do I know whatÆs legal or illegal in the game? Using the game mechanics in any way to achieve an unintended game behavior is exploiting. I think this says it all...
Slayton Ford Caldari Kudzu Collective	Posted - 2007.02.17 06:43:00 - [716] Originally by: Mystical Angel So, after this is all said and done how many titans were actually legitamitly killed? .5
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.17 06:46:00 - [717] Look on the bright side. Now CCP will probably implement what hundreds (if not thousands) of people have been BEGGING them for: Visual aggression 'countdown' for any act of aggresion and/or "Are you sure you want to logoff with aggression timer active?" popup Yeah, sure, in year 2012, I guess. CCP are sadists in their own special way. EVE is in many ways created to 'torture' players (travel 15km to gate, at 80m/s - sorted out now, though; move 90km to next accel gate in lvl4 missions; make an exploration site full or ore, where barge can't enter; don't supply any documentation on many parts of game mechanics, let players waste hours/days trying to figure it out; etc, etc). At the end of the day, CCP seemingly find it ok for unreal amount of manhours to be lost, because they were lazy to implement a most basic feature. Sadism at its best :)
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.17 06:54:00 - [718] Way to go for making EVE-Online truely EVE-Offline. In that respect, I hope the DEVs work hard to change game mechanics so this won't happen again. One of your Sigs contained inappropriate material for the eve-o forums, please email [email protected] for a explination. - hutch Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
R0ot InNova Tech Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 06:54:00 - [719] Originally by: Daring Devilina Dictionary.com for Exploit - Which one applies to BOBs tactics 1. Exploit - a striking or notable deed; feat; spirited or heroic act: the exploits of Alexander the Great. 2. Exploit - to use selfishly for one's own ends: employers who exploit their workers. 3. Exploint - To advertise; promote. 4. Exploit - To make use of selfishly or unethically: a country that exploited peasant labor. How no doubt that BOB's tactics are at the bottom of the list. No straight up attack on a POS like was done to LV (Brilliantly executed by lots of peeps). It was an exploit of an aggro timer and truly a shameful way to play the game. No, I am not claiming that BOB was informed by GMs on where the Titan was or how you can sneak an attack. I just find it a shameful way to play the game. Makes me wonder if BOB fights with their precious Titan(s) Time to rise up and fight the BULLY on the street corner. Time to show those who think they can cheat their way around a game instead of playing thru it's rules of Honor. BOB MUST BE DEALT WITH NOW!! Daring Devilina (NOBOB Painpusher) Heres one for ya (sorry Moe had to be done ) id+i+ot noun 1.an utterly foolish or senseless person. 2.Psychology. a person of the lowest order in a former classification of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years old and an intelligence quotient under 25. [Origin: 1250û1300; ME < L idiōta < Gk iditTs private person, layman, person lacking skill or expertise, equiv. to idiō- (lengthened var. of idio- idio-, perh. by analogy with stratiōtTs professional soldier, deriv. of stratiß army) + -tTs agent n. suffix] ùSynonyms 1. fool, half-wit; imbecile; dolt, dunce, numskull. troll v.,n. 1. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See also YHBT. 2. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that the have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll." 3. [Berkeley] Computer lab monitor. A popular campus job for CS students. Duties include helping newbies and ensuring that lab policies are followed. Probably so-called because it involves lurking in dark cavelike corners. ___________________________________________________________________
Drakus Minmatar all professions	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:32:00 - [720] ok... now, i can't be bothered to read the... 20+ pages of this thread.. read the start where D2 says that an alt spy shot the titan to give it agro before he logged off. now, are people claiming thats an exploit? Cause i'm not sure how ya can say that its one... ever since the game started alt spys have been around. Hell look at the GHSC operation. HUGE for its time. I wouldn't say it was an exploit, or really even bad form... i mean, it sucks to have it happen to ya, and if it happened to me i'd be ****ed too... but having alt spies is a part of the game... Its like having an assassin. Person gets close to target any way it can, then betrays them at the most opertune moment. I think all this talk about it being exploits is due to the whole Gm scandal. but i have friends in BoB, and I know they wouldn't be a part of that scandal. So people need to stop painting the entire alliance that way based on the actions of a few individuals. And people need to get off there high horses cause i can pretty much guarentee that if the roles were reversed people would accept help from a dev. But this is just me, total outsider just peeking his head inside the crazy world here trying to figure out just why everyones gone so nuts :)



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