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ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:33:00 - [721] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar We are rich...isk is not a problem Quoted from the ASCN book of quotes, chapter 1
Zrevak Ashek Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:40:00 - [722] In the attack that led to the D2 Titans destruction, a BOB spy (having infiltrated a D2 corp) used a covert ops with a micro smartbomb in order to aggro the D2 Titan without the pilot knowing. The Titan pilot logs off while aggroed due to this. The Titan pilot has, during that moment not been involved in combat for over 3 hours. It is clear that the aggression mechanic employed by CCP is NOT intended to be used in this way. The BOB spy knows it all too well, but still decide to use a gamemechanic in a way in which the entirety of the Eve community know is not intended. A gamemechanic was therefore willingly and knowingly used in such a way as it was not intended by CCP. Following this, BOB has subsequently gained an unfair advantage. The FAQ below clearly states that this incident is a bannable exploit. Quote: 12.1 What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. Though every effort is made to avoid glitches that enable exploits to be used, they are occasionally discovered. Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit. Those who are charged with employing the use of exploits will be reprimanded, which may include temporary suspension or a permanent ban of the account. Professing ignorance that you didnÆt know you were using an exploit will not prevent the enforcement of this rule. Bottom line suggest that the D2 Titan should be reinbursed. Case Closed.
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:42:00 - [723] Edited by: Edde Bebbi on 17/02/2007 07:39:37 Originally by: Skeltek Quote: 12.14 How do I know whatÆs legal or illegal in the game? Using the game mechanics in any way to achieve an unintended game behavior is exploiting. I think this says it all... Jet can mining. Insta jumps. Istab BSs. Stabbabonds. Purposeful node crashes (actually this SHOULD BE AN EXPLOIT) Its not that simple and we all know it. Everyone is totally misunderstanding the issue. Considerations of players intentions are IRRELEVENT. The fact is: If you are aggroed it is intended game behaviour that you do not disappear!
Sinister Death Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:44:00 - [724] Edited by: Sinister Death on 17/02/2007 07:40:57 Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am EDIT: From the player conduct section of the FAQ Quote: 12.1 What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. Though every effort is made to avoid glitches that enable exploits to be used, they are occasionally discovered. Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit. Those who are charged with employing the use of exploits will be reprimanded, which may include temporary suspension or a permanent ban of the account. Professing ignorance that you didnÆt know you were using an exploit will not prevent the enforcement of this rule. Linkage You have the wrong section bolded m8... here lemme fix it for you: Quote: 12.1 What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. Though every effort is made to avoid glitches that enable exploits to be used, they are occasionally discovered. Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit. Those who are charged with employing the use of exploits will be reprimanded, which may include temporary suspension or a permanent ban of the account. Professing ignorance that you didnÆt know you were using an exploit will not prevent the enforcement of this rule. . . The opinions expressed above are mine, and mine alone. They don't represent my corp, alliance or family.
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:45:00 - [725] Originally by: Zrevak Ashek In the attack that led to the D2 Titans destruction, a BOB spy (having infiltrated a D2 corp) used a covert ops with a micro smartbomb in order to aggro the D2 Titan without the pilot knowing. The Titan pilot logs off while aggroed due to this. The Titan pilot has, during that moment not been involved in combat for over 3 hours. It is clear that the aggression mechanic employed by CCP is NOT intended to be used in this way. The BOB spy knows it all too well, but still decide to use a gamemechanic in a way in which the entirety of the Eve community know is not intended. A gamemechanic was therefore willingly and knowingly used in such a way as it was not intended by CCP. Following this, BOB has subsequently gained an unfair advantage. The FAQ below clearly states that this incident is a bannable exploit. Quote: 12.1 What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. Though every effort is made to avoid glitches that enable exploits to be used, they are occasionally discovered. Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit. Those who are charged with employing the use of exploits will be reprimanded, which may include temporary suspension or a permanent ban of the account. Professing ignorance that you didnÆt know you were using an exploit will not prevent the enforcement of this rule. Bottom line suggest that the D2 Titan should be reinbursed. Case Closed. Aye, i can't agree more to that Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:53:00 - [726] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: RedCodeX We already identified the spy but didn't want to start a witchhunt if he was innocent, so only one specific IP was compared one time and this will not be possible in the future. happy? Its okay because it only happened once? I only murdered the guy once guv! Thanks for admitting to cheating once D2. How many times have you cheated and not been found out?
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:55:00 - [727] Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: RedCodeX We already identified the spy but didn't want to start a witchhunt if he was innocent, so only one specific IP was compared one time and this will not be possible in the future. happy? Its okay because it only happened once? I only murdered the guy once guv! Thanks for admitting to cheating once D2. How many times have you cheated and not been found out? That logic is only allowed to be used to flame BoB mate, better keep quiet
Sinister Death Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:55:00 - [728] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Once again for the hard-of-thinking. It is an INTENDED game mechanic that if you are aggrod, you have an aggro timer if you log. It is an INTENDED game mechanic that smartbombs can be used to aggro people It is an INTENDED game mechanic that friendly alliance mates can backstab and attack and even kill you. It is an INTENDED game mechanic THEREFORE that friendlies can give you a PvP timer. Therefore there is no exploit. Watch out Edde... This is the twighlight zone... logic doesn't exist here... and only people who repeat the same thing over and over can get through! EXPLOIT... EXPLOIT... EXPLOIT... Save yourself! Get out of the thread while you can! BACK TO CS:S DEMONS! (lol is it smart to be watching zombie flicks while reading COAD?) . . The opinions expressed above are mine, and mine alone. They don't represent my corp, alliance or family.
Yagyu Munemori Amarr Space lane Patrol	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:55:00 - [729] Abgsolutely Disgusting IMO straight form the EULA, it is clearly an exploit and if not reimbursed im sure alot of ppl will think seriously about cancelling there subscriptions, because crap like this, cheating dirty tactics used like this further more suggests that the whole of BOB is in bed with CCP. People will not stand for this, NO its not a personal attack on bob which im sure alot of ppl will think, nor is it "ppl are only angry cause its bob who got the kill". The fact is that the first 2 titans that have been "killed" in game is by same corp in very simialr UNFAIR, SNEAKY, DIRTY AND IMO DOWN RIGHT CHEATING KIND OF WAYS. CCP please look at the rest of the communities outcries and concerns and reimburst the titan FFS. ________________________________________________ Its better to have loved and lost then never to have lost at all
Fantome Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:56:00 - [730] Sad to see this way of fight, respect for D¦ to annonce it. For DEV : We need urgently a VISUAL AGGRO Timer ! Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum.

Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:56:00 - [731] Originally by: Yagyu Munemori Abgsolutely Disgusting IMO straight form the EULA, it is clearly an exploit and if not reimbursed im sure alot of ppl will think seriously about cancelling there subscriptions, because crap like this, cheating dirty tactics used like this further more suggests that the whole of BOB is in bed with CCP. People will not stand for this, NO its not a personal attack on bob which im sure alot of ppl will think, nor is it "ppl are only angry cause its bob who got the kill". The fact is that the first 2 titans that have been "killed" in game is by same corp in very simialr UNFAIR, SNEAKY, DIRTY AND IMO DOWN RIGHT CHEATING KIND OF WAYS. CCP please look at the rest of the communities outcries and concerns and reimburst the titan FFS. Please quit now. Once again for the hard-of-thinking. It is an INTENDED game mechanic that if you are aggrod, you have an aggro timer if you log. It is an INTENDED game mechanic that smartbombs can be used to aggro people It is an INTENDED game mechanic that friendly alliance mates can backstab and attack and even kill you. It is an INTENDED game mechanic THEREFORE that friendlies can give you a PvP timer. Therefore there is no exploit.
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:58:00 - [732] Edited by: NightmareX on 17/02/2007 07:55:53 Originally by: Edde Bebbi Once again for the hard-of-thinking. It is an INTENDED game mechanic that if you are aggrod, you have an aggro timer if you log. It is an INTENDED game mechanic that smartbombs can be used to aggro people It is an INTENDED game mechanic that friendly alliance mates can backstab and attack and even kill you. It is an INTENDED game mechanic THEREFORE that friendlies can give you a PvP timer. Therefore there is no exploit. Dude, read what the EULA is saying. If you read it carefully, you will see that even if this was an INTENDED game mechanic, it's still a borked game mechanic that shouldn't be allowed to use ingame. The EULA clearly says that the D2 ship will get reimbursed whatever you noobs are saying. Just read the DAMN EULA. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Sinister Death Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:58:00 - [733] Originally by: Yagyu Munemori Abgsolutely Disgusting IMO straight form the EULA, it is clearly an exploit and if not reimbursed im sure alot of ppl will think seriously about cancelling there subscriptions, because crap like this, cheating dirty tactics used like this further more suggests that the whole of BOB is in bed with CCP. People will not stand for this, NO its not a personal attack on bob which im sure alot of ppl will think, nor is it "ppl are only angry cause its bob who got the kill". The fact is that the first 2 titans that have been "killed" in game is by same corp in very simialr UNFAIR, SNEAKY, DIRTY AND IMO DOWN RIGHT CHEATING KIND OF WAYS. CCP please look at the rest of the communities outcries and concerns and reimburst the titan FFS. Hitting CTL Q to avoid combat is not as was intended by the CCP developers too... so while you cry foul and that the Titan needs to be deserved... then perhaps on the flip side... the pilot can get the ship back... and be promptly banned? I think that might be a sound alternative... Given how all the explaining about using game mechanics on how they are intended and not are being thrown around in this thread. . . The opinions expressed above are mine, and mine alone. They don't represent my corp, alliance or family.
Audeamus Fatal's Marauders Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:59:00 - [734] Originally by: Yagyu Munemori think seriously about cancelling there subscriptions Lead by example.
Risiru Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.17 07:59:00 - [735] What is it with the obvious alts still posting in all of these threads? @mods: Is the the way the alt rule is supposed to work? Create one man alt corperation and you are fine to post in the COAD forum?
Zrevak Ashek Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:00:00 - [736] Edited by: Zrevak Ashek on 17/02/2007 07:59:39 nvm
Sinister Death Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:02:00 - [737] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Edde Bebbi Once again for the hard-of-thinking. It is an INTENDED game mechanic that if you are aggrod, you have an aggro timer if you log. It is an INTENDED game mechanic that smartbombs can be used to aggro people It is an INTENDED game mechanic that friendly alliance mates can backstab and attack and even kill you. It is an INTENDED game mechanic THEREFORE that friendlies can give you a PvP timer. Therefore there is no exploit. Dude, read what the EULA is saying. If you read it carefully, you will see that even if this was an INTENDED game mechanic, it still can be a borked game mechanic that shouldn't be able to do ingame. The EULA clearly says that the D2 ship will get reimbursed whatever you noobs are saying. Just read the DAMN EULA. I HOPE they give the ship back... then ban the account for CTL Qing in space because he logged to avoid combat... The devs have already said that a fix is coming... so he was exploiting a known game mechanic. . . The opinions expressed above are mine, and mine alone. They don't represent my corp, alliance or family.
Sinister Death Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:03:00 - [738] Originally by: Risiru @mods: Is the the way the alt rule is supposed to work? Create one man alt corperation and you are fine to post in the COAD forum? you can email mods questions at [email protected] (you guys are pretty good at looking up rules... i'm surpised you missed this one, glad to help though.) . . The opinions expressed above are mine, and mine alone. They don't represent my corp, alliance or family.
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:05:00 - [739] Originally by: Sinister Death Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Edde Bebbi Once again for the hard-of-thinking. It is an INTENDED game mechanic that if you are aggrod, you have an aggro timer if you log. It is an INTENDED game mechanic that smartbombs can be used to aggro people It is an INTENDED game mechanic that friendly alliance mates can backstab and attack and even kill you. It is an INTENDED game mechanic THEREFORE that friendlies can give you a PvP timer. Therefore there is no exploit. Dude, read what the EULA is saying. If you read it carefully, you will see that even if this was an INTENDED game mechanic, it still can be a borked game mechanic that shouldn't be able to do ingame. The EULA clearly says that the D2 ship will get reimbursed whatever you noobs are saying. Just read the DAMN EULA. I HOPE they give the ship back... then ban the account for CTL Qing in space because he logged to avoid combat... The devs have already said that a fix is coming... so he was exploiting a known game mechanic. Ahahahaha, he logged because he had to do some rl stuffs. And when he logged off, there was NO, yes NO enemies at the Titan. Jeeeez, someone really need to read about what actually happened Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Cptn Chaos Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:05:00 - [740] Originally by: Sinister Death Hitting CTL Q to avoid combat is not as was intended by the CCP developers too... so while you cry foul and that the Titan needs to be deserved... then perhaps on the flip side... the pilot can get the ship back... and be promptly banned? I think that might be a sound alternative... Given how all the explaining about using game mechanics on how they are intended and not are being thrown around in this thread. erm, please read before posting, the d2 pilot didnt pull a logoff to avoid the fight, he was about to loggoff for rl and only with that information aquired via a spy they pulled the smartbomb thing.

Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:08:00 - [741] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 17/02/2007 07:55:53 Originally by: Edde Bebbi Once again for the hard-of-thinking. It is an INTENDED game mechanic that if you are aggrod, you have an aggro timer if you log. It is an INTENDED game mechanic that smartbombs can be used to aggro people It is an INTENDED game mechanic that friendly alliance mates can backstab and attack and even kill you. It is an INTENDED game mechanic THEREFORE that friendlies can give you a PvP timer. Therefore there is no exploit. Dude, read what the EULA is saying. If you read it carefully, you will see that even if this was an INTENDED game mechanic, it's still a borked game mechanic that shouldn't be allowed to use ingame. The EULA clearly says that the D2 ship will get reimbursed whatever you noobs are saying. Just read the DAMN EULA. I've read it 10 times, and I've applied 4 years of knowledge of dealing with CCP at every level. You are trying to say that metagaming = exploiting, and that is simply retarded. If the functioning was all intended, then there CAN BE NO EXPLOIT. Just as instajumps were metagaming but wernt an exploit because warping to a BM is supposed to work and BMing 15km off a gate is supposed to work. you cant just say READ THE EULA when it and history supports what i am saying. Make an argument or stfu
pershphanie The Ancient Race	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:08:00 - [742] Originally by: Ovaron Statement Dusk and Dawn Today D¦ lost an Erebus class Titan. Because there are still a lot of questions about these recent events, here are some points from our persepective. The Erebus pilot had planned to log out as he had things to attend to out of game, in order to do this he jumped back from the front line to a more secure system. He had not been involved in any fights or attacks for the three hours prior to this. It seems that the Erebus was being scouted by a internal Spy who has since been identified. This character was flying a cloaked Anathema Covert Ops frigate. Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Seconds after this, the Titan pilot logged. So the aggro timer was increased without our pilot noticing. Minutes after this it was reported that the Titan had not disappeared, so the pilot attempted to log back in. Unfortunately there was no chance for him to save the Titan, due to a well executed plan by BoB who had jumped in their Capital Fleet and Support. We always knew it was going to be a dirty war, but once again, Band of Brother prooves, it can always get more dirty. Wow. That's ******* awsome. Well worth the lost spy. Brilliant. Bravo BoB
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:12:00 - [743] Originally by: Edde Bebbi I've read it 10 times, and I've applied 4 years of knowledge of dealing with CCP at every level. You are trying to say that metagaming = exploiting, and that is simply retarded. If the functioning was all intended, then there CAN BE NO EXPLOIT. Just as instajumps were metagaming but wernt an exploit because warping to a BM is supposed to work and BMing 15km off a gate is supposed to work. you cant just say READ THE EULA when it and history supports what i am saying. Make an argument or stfu No you haven't readed it a single time. Just read what i just wrote on the reply before this. If i log off when there is no enemies around me, and don't have an agression timer from an ENEMY, and not friendly shoot, then the ship should not be killed whatever you do. It doesn't get simpler than that. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:15:00 - [744] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Edde Bebbi I've read it 10 times, and I've applied 4 years of knowledge of dealing with CCP at every level. You are trying to say that metagaming = exploiting, and that is simply retarded. If the functioning was all intended, then there CAN BE NO EXPLOIT. Just as instajumps were metagaming but wernt an exploit because warping to a BM is supposed to work and BMing 15km off a gate is supposed to work. you cant just say READ THE EULA when it and history supports what i am saying. Make an argument or stfu No you haven't readed it a single time. Just read what i just wrote on the reply before this. If i log off when there is no enemies around me, and don't have an agression timer from an ENEMY, and not friendly shoot, then the ship should not be killed whatever you do. It doesn't get simpler than that. Where does it say that? Where does it say that seemingly FRIENDLIES cant give you an aggression timer? Whats next? Spys are against the EULA too? Cant do damage to + standings ships? You are just making **** up
Milena Marich	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:17:00 - [745] CCP... This IS an obvious exploit, absolutely disgusting from BoD forge.
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:17:00 - [746] Originally by: Milena Marich CCP... This IS an obvious exploit, absolutely disgusting from BoD forge. Nice try alt. How is it an exploit?
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:19:00 - [747] Edited by: NightmareX on 17/02/2007 08:16:22 Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Edde Bebbi I've read it 10 times, and I've applied 4 years of knowledge of dealing with CCP at every level. You are trying to say that metagaming = exploiting, and that is simply retarded. If the functioning was all intended, then there CAN BE NO EXPLOIT. Just as instajumps were metagaming but wernt an exploit because warping to a BM is supposed to work and BMing 15km off a gate is supposed to work. you cant just say READ THE EULA when it and history supports what i am saying. Make an argument or stfu No you haven't readed it a single time. Just read what i just wrote on the reply before this. If i log off when there is no enemies around me, and don't have an agression timer from an ENEMY, and not friendly shoot, then the ship should not be killed whatever you do. It doesn't get simpler than that. Where does it say that? Where does it say that seemingly FRIENDLIES cant give you an aggression timer? Whats next? Spys are against the EULA too? Cant do damage to + standings ships? You are just making ** up Well whatever you say, same peoples in the same corp / alliance should not get an agression timer by a friendly shot. It's not how the agression timer should work. Originally by:** Edde Bebbi Originally by: Milena Marich CCP... This IS an obvious exploit, absolutely disgusting from BoD forge. Nice try alt. How is it an exploit? If you read the EULA you will see that it's an exploit. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Milena Marich	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:20:00 - [748] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Milena Marich CCP... This IS an obvious exploit, absolutely disgusting from BoD forge. Nice try alt. How is it an exploit? Being shot by a "friendly" one second before you log off safely inside a POS is completely the exploit of game mechanics.
putukas Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:20:00 - [749] i dont understand why you all whine about this for over 20 pages now. Seems like most of the comments are so stupid its embarrassing to read them. its clearly explained and proved how the titan was killed. No exploits used whats so ever. Its d2 fault they had spy in high ranks in their alliance. Its their fault they didnt wait with support fleet ready while titan was logging off. tho CCP should make somekind of "Safe logoff" button for such cases. Like emergency warpoff will commence only then if its realy emergency. I would say it was well organized and very well executed plan by BoB. Atleast what you all lamers smacking here can do is to give some credit to BoB
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 08:20:00 - [750] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Edde Bebbi I've read it 10 times, and I've applied 4 years of knowledge of dealing with CCP at every level. You are trying to say that metagaming = exploiting, and that is simply retarded. If the functioning was all intended, then there CAN BE NO EXPLOIT. Just as instajumps were metagaming but wernt an exploit because warping to a BM is supposed to work and BMing 15km off a gate is supposed to work. you cant just say READ THE EULA when it and history supports what i am saying. Make an argument or stfu No you haven't readed it a single time. Just read what i just wrote on the reply before this. If i log off when there is no enemies around me, and don't have an agression timer from an ENEMY, and not friendly shoot, then the ship should not be killed whatever you do. It doesn't get simpler than that. Where does it say that? Where does it say that seemingly FRIENDLIES cant give you an aggression timer? Whats next? Spys are against the EULA too? Cant do damage to + standings ships? You are just making ** up Well whatever you say, same peoples in the same corp / alliance should not get an agression timer by a friendly shot. It's not how the agression timer should work. According to who? You? Its always worked this way and it was implemented this way. What you are basically saying is YOU think the mechanics should change, and therefore making use of them as they are is an exploit**. Please feel free to explain otherwise.



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