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Geldorf Drakar Amarr Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.20 23:10:00 - [1] I must say that I am severly dissapointed with CCP decision to include a voice client into EVE. As well I am supprised at CCPs naivety, thinking that Users would turn to an integrated voice client which they have to pay for, when nearly everyone has a TS or Vent server available for use, free I might add. One must ask why anyone would prefer to use a integrated client that costs more to use and has vastly inferior quality than TS or Vent, not to mention the fact that TS and Vent contain features EVE Voice simply does not have. Generally I support everything CCP does with EVE from new content to changes in modules but in this case I must strongly object. I am sure that had the time that was wasted upon EVE voice could have been better used to correct bugs and lag issues within EVE, rather than implimenting something inferior to the tools the EVE community allready has. I wouldnt even be supprised if EVE voice causes increased lag issues. Fix lag and bugs and develop new content before you start doing things that dont need to be done at all CCP. "Long live the Emperor" Opinions expressed above are mine and mine only
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.20 23:14:00 - [2] Are graphist able to fix bug ? Are vivox people able to change the queuing system of the server ? No. They are people working for bug, they are people working for new content, most of new content manpower can't be switched to bug fixxing. ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
Baleorg Gallente Guys of Sarcasm	Posted - 2007.03.20 23:15:00 - [3] besides, you dont have to use vivox, NOONE is forcing you... in fact when you DONT subscribe you wont even notice its there since it wont BTW: A GOOD Cache-Cleaner
Svenstaro Amarr Templars of Space CORE.	Posted - 2007.03.20 23:17:00 - [4] Originally by: Geldorf Drakar I must say that I am severly dissapointed with CCP decision to include a voice client into EVE. As well I am supprised at CCPs naivety, thinking that Users would turn to an integrated voice client which they have to pay for, when nearly everyone has a TS or Vent server available for use, free I might add. One must ask why anyone would prefer to use a integrated client that costs more to use and has vastly inferior quality than TS or Vent, not to mention the fact that TS and Vent contain features EVE Voice simply does not have. Generally I support everything CCP does with EVE from new content to changes in modules but in this case I must strongly object. I am sure that had the time that was wasted upon EVE voice could have been better used to correct bugs and lag issues within EVE, rather than implimenting something inferior to the tools the EVE community allready has. I wouldnt even be supprised if EVE voice causes increased lag issues. Fix lag and bugs and develop new content before you start doing things that dont need to be done at all CCP. Maybe Vivox offered CCP something they couldn't refuse :) I don't think CCP got this idea by their own they're smart enough to know what people use and that an external client is much more powerful than any ingame solution will ever be. ____________________________________________ Toyship Wallpapers
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.03.20 23:19:00 - [5] Originally by: Geldorf Drakar I must say that I am severly dissapointed with CCP decision to include a voice client into EVE. As well I am supprised at CCPs naivety, thinking that Users would turn to an integrated voice client which they have to pay for, when nearly everyone has a TS or Vent server available for use, free I might add. One must ask why anyone would prefer to use a integrated client that costs more to use and has vastly inferior quality than TS or Vent, not to mention the fact that TS and Vent contain features EVE Voice simply does not have. Generally I support everything CCP does with EVE from new content to changes in modules but in this case I must strongly object. I am sure that had the time that was wasted upon EVE voice could have been better used to correct bugs and lag issues within EVE, rather than implimenting something inferior to the tools the EVE community allready has. I wouldnt even be supprised if EVE voice causes increased lag issues. Fix lag and bugs and develop new content before you start doing things that dont need to be done at all CCP. I am going to get EVE Voice. This because the sound quality will be way better! TS/Vent sucks big time. The quality of the sound is Les horribles! Viewed in that light, 10 dollar a year is to me nothing! Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
Svenstaro Amarr Templars of Space CORE.	Posted - 2007.03.20 23:20:00 - [6] Ever tried ventrilo on 44khz? If not, feel free to join me, it doesn't get much better. ____________________________________________ Toyship Wallpapers
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.03.20 23:22:00 - [7] Originally by: Geldorf Drakar As well I am supprised at CCPs naivety, thinking that Users would turn to an integrated voice client which they have to pay for, when nearly everyone has a TS or Vent server available for use, free I might add. You have someone who provides free TS servers? As in noone has to pay their bandwidth? Sign me up please, I'll bring 400 alliance mates. If it's really free for what you do, I'll envy you and leave you the option not to use the integrated stuff. Thank you. Originally by: Geldorf Drakar One must ask why anyone would prefer to use a integrated client that costs more to use and has vastly inferior quality than TS or Vent, not to mention the fact that TS and Vent contain features EVE Voice simply does not have. Well, for the features it has that TS and Vent don't, maybe. Just maybe. And I'm not yet decided myself. I hate telephones, and my commanders usually have to haul me onto TS by the scruff of my neck. Originally by: Geldorf Drakar I am sure that had the time that was wasted upon EVE voice could have been better used to correct bugs and lag issues within EVE, rather than implimenting something inferior to the tools the EVE community allready has. I think you forgot to research this a little. I believe there was a dev blog stating that most of the work was done by Vivox. But if you're too lazy to look it up so am I. Originally by: Geldorf Drakar I wouldnt even be supprised if EVE voice causes increased lag issues. Yeah, and I wouldn't be surprised if global warming was caused by all the UFO research in Area 51. They don't use the same servers if that's what you were thinking of. Originally by: Geldorf Drakar Fix lag and bugs and develop new content before you start doing things that dont need to be done at all CCP. Seconded on fixing the bugs, but let's see, this patch's looking pretty so far - except they shouldn't have fixed the ONE bug EvE Voice integration caused so far: Delayed mode local! \o/ That was a good one, I want it back :) On not adding new content: I believe that's a different department doing that. For instance, I hardly expect the designers working on the new ship models and textures to help out with cluster overload. Of course, if that's how you run business in your part of the country .... Family Tahar, of Clan Hadar, of Caravan of Namtz'Aar K'in
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.20 23:31:00 - [8] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 20/03/2007 23:28:55 Ha ha, having just tested Vivox by logging my main and my alt and talking to myself using the corp channel, I realised that the one area wher Vivox will truly pwn is in small scale stuff like this. Voice chat with all the people in any channel (except local) is only one click away. TS/Vent can't do that. And Vivox can do everything TS/Vent can do (except OOG, which is apparently coming in the future). Vivox > All Even if Vivox fails in the alliance/fleetop arena (and it may yet suceed), it really adds to Eve that anywhere where we could once type to each other we can now talk to each other instead with such ease. Useless feature? Try 'one of the best additions in recent times'. - If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine.
CHAOS100 Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.20 23:40:00 - [9] Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 20/03/2007 23:28:55 Ha ha, having just tested Vivox by logging my main and my alt and talking to myself using the corp channel, I realised that the one area wher Vivox will truly pwn is in small scale stuff like this. Voice chat with all the people in any channel (except local) is only one click away. TS/Vent can't do that. And Vivox can do everything TS/Vent can do (except OOG, which is apparently coming in the future). Vivox > All Even if Vivox fails in the alliance/fleetop arena (and it may yet suceed), it really adds to Eve that anywhere where we could once type to each other we can now talk to each other instead with such ease. Useless feature? Try 'one of the best additions in recent times'. Why would you want to talk to everyone in every channel? Seems like easy ability to spam and easy to embarass yourself in several ways I wont bother mentioning. And btw it IS possible in vent, as are many things... and people just don't use them... because those features are just THAT useful /sarcasm. What if 1 person doesn't pay for vivox, then it will be pointless to make a voice mail to corp or to talk during any operation. Also, quality doesn't beat vent unfortunately. It will probably cause lag in the same way gang bonuses cause lag in fleets. --------------
Benco97 Gallente Multiverse Corporation The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.03.20 23:41:00 - [10] Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 20/03/2007 23:28:55 Ha ha, having just tested Vivox by logging my main and my alt and talking to myself using the corp channel, I realised that the one area wher Vivox will truly pwn is in small scale stuff like this. Voice chat with all the people in any channel (except local) is only one click away. TS/Vent can't do that. And Vivox can do everything TS/Vent can do (except OOG, which is apparently coming in the future). Vivox > All Even if Vivox fails in the alliance/fleetop arena (and it may yet suceed), it really adds to Eve that anywhere where we could once type to each other we can now talk to each other instead with such ease. Useless feature? Try 'one of the best additions in recent times'. If it's got the Crumply seal of approval then it's got my vote! "MY GOD KEEP THIS AWAY FROM BENCO97!!!!!" - Constantine Arcanum

Aedeas	Posted - 2007.03.20 23:43:00 - [11] Next up in the EVE Shop. EvE Branded VoIP Headsets...
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2007.03.20 23:46:00 - [12] Originally by: CHAOS100 Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 20/03/2007 23:28:55 Ha ha, having just tested Vivox by logging my main and my alt and talking to myself using the corp channel, I realised that the one area wher Vivox will truly pwn is in small scale stuff like this. Voice chat with all the people in any channel (except local) is only one click away. TS/Vent can't do that. And Vivox can do everything TS/Vent can do (except OOG, which is apparently coming in the future). Vivox > All Even if Vivox fails in the alliance/fleetop arena (and it may yet suceed), it really adds to Eve that anywhere where we could once type to each other we can now talk to each other instead with such ease. Useless feature? Try 'one of the best additions in recent times'. Why would you want to talk to everyone in every channel? Seems like easy ability to spam and easy to embarass yourself in several ways I wont bother mentioning. And btw it IS possible in vent, as are many things... and people just don't use them... because those features are just THAT useful /sarcasm. What if 1 person doesn't pay for vivox, then it will be pointless to make a voice mail to corp or to talk during any operation. Also, quality doesn't beat vent unfortunately. It will probably cause lag in the same way gang bonuses cause lag in fleets. That's actually my biggest problem with eve-voice. In order to be useful, everyone in the corp's going to have to get it. Or, I could just keep paying what's just 'not all that much' (to me) for a vent server.
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.03.20 23:49:00 - [13] Do you really think there is any corp or alliance out there, which relies on voice communication that is going to have even close to the majority of its members buying this feature? No? So what's the point of anyone buying it if your corperation/alliance isn't going to use it because a large portion of your member base can't afford it? I'm half expecting to see threads in recruitment asking for 'VOIP Only' but to be honest, it'll be their loss when they limit their recruitment pool to such an extent. Originally by: Ice Conch In soviet russia, soap drops you!
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.03.20 23:55:00 - [14] I imagine having an integrated voice server will just make it that little bit easier for Alliance-Friendly GM's to listen in on enemy alliances. Sounds Good. Use it at your peril. Eve: Cheats prosper.
Mal Loc	Posted - 2007.03.20 23:59:00 - [15] Originally by: Geldorf Drakar when nearly everyone has a TS or Vent server available for use, free I might add. I have been looking around for hosted voice solutions and have not found anything free. I was planning on using Eve's integrated voice because it seemed like a great deal for the price. $10/year and you don't need to bother with hosting bandwidth etc. But if there are free solutions, I would reconsider. What free solutions are people using? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Eldo Davip ([email protected])
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.21 00:00:00 - [16] Originally by: CHAOS100 Why would you want to talk to everyone in every channel? Seems like easy ability to spam and easy to embarass yourself in several ways I wont bother mentioning. And btw it IS possible in vent, as are many things... and people just don't use them... because those features are just THAT useful /sarcasm. I don't want to talk to everyone in every channel, but, for instance, I keep in contact with a few friends via another corp's public channel. Up until now to actually talk to them they had to give me access to their TS server. Now I can chat to them, and anyone else in the channel, directly in the client. And if I want to talk with one of them individually, we can do an audio convo (I assume, not checked this, would be a major omission though), rather than the two of us having to find a spot on some TS server. As for being possible in Vent, I didn't know that I could talk to a bunch of people who have no association other than being in the same chat channel at the same time by merely clicking once, using vent. They should advertise that feature, complete and total integration with Eve would encourage it's use over TS. Except, ofc, integrated VOIP software is, as so many people run to point out . Originally by: CHAOS100 What if 1 person doesn't pay for vivox, then it will be pointless to make a voice mail to corp or to talk during any operation. Also, quality doesn't beat vent unfortunately. That's funny, not everyone in my old corp had TS/Vent, and yet they aren't useless. Oh, that's right, this tired argument is garbage. Got to keep that in mind. - If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.21 00:02:00 - [17] Originally by: James Lyrus That's actually my biggest problem with eve-voice. In order to be useful, everyone in the corp's going to have to get it. Or, I could just keep paying what's just 'not all that much' (to me) for a vent server. Notify: A deaf (IRL) person has joined your corp. All your VOIP tools are now useless as one person cannot use them. ... Right. - If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine.
Kerfira	Posted - 2007.03.21 00:03:00 - [18] Originally by: Geldorf Drakar I must say that I am severly dissapointed with CCP decision to include a voice client into EVE. As well I am supprised at CCPs naivety, thinking that Users would turn to an integrated voice client which they have to pay for, when nearly everyone has a TS or Vent server available for use, free I might add. One must ask why anyone would prefer to use a integrated client that costs more to use and has vastly inferior quality than TS or Vent, not to mention the fact that TS and Vent contain features EVE Voice simply does not have. You're seeing this from the perspective of a player who is already in one of the larger alliances, and who has access to TS through that. For sure, for these players there is little incentive to switch. However, for players in smaller corp, or just for casual chats with other players they encounter, this is a good solution. It is voluntary, and is reasonably priced compared to a TS/Vent server.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.21 00:04:00 - [19] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 21/03/2007 00:02:01 Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Do you really think there is any corp or alliance out there, which relies on voice communication that is going to have even close to the majority of its members buying this feature? No? So what's the point of anyone buying it if your corperation/alliance isn't going to use it because a large portion of your member base can't afford it? I'm half expecting to see threads in recruitment asking for 'VOIP Only' but to be honest, it'll be their loss when they limit their recruitment pool to such an extent. We are talking about a bunch of people who pay 15 euros (or equiv) or a multiple of this per month for Eve, but can't afford an additional <1 euro for integrated voice. This is a very small demographic, excluding it really won't cause you any problems. Also, your post assumes the only use of VOIP is fleet ops. Presumably using the classic 'this is the only way I use it, so it must be the only way anyone uses it' logic. - If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine.
Tractormech Caldari Fortune's Fools	Posted - 2007.03.21 00:09:00 - [20] I don't mine. Therefore mining is useless and should be removed from the game. DEVs stop working on mining and remove this useless feature.

vladdy2 VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.21 00:17:00 - [21] Originally by: Tractormech I don't mine. Therefore mining is useless and should be removed from the game. DEVs stop working on mining and remove this useless feature. /signed ---------------------------------
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.03.21 00:18:00 - [22] WTB 1 year vivox access. Offering 100 million isk. Msg me. :P - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - - "186,282 miles per second; It's not just a good idea, it's the law."
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.21 00:18:00 - [23] Originally by: Tractormech I don't mine. Therefore mining is useless and should be removed from the game. DEVs stop working on mining and remove this useless feature. I think you just won the thread. - If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine.
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.21 00:18:00 - [24] Edited by: Hllaxiu on 21/03/2007 00:14:59 Quote: Quote: I'm half expecting to see threads in recruitment asking for 'VOIP Only' but to be honest, it'll be their loss when they limit their recruitment pool to such an extent. We are talking about a bunch of people who pay 15 euros (or equiv) or a multiple of this per month for Eve, but can't afford an additional <1 euro for integrated voice. This is a very small demographic, excluding it really won't cause you any problems. I'm expecting alliances to say "Instead of giving that $1 (or 1 euro or pound or whatever) to CCP, send it via the paypal link to us, so we can buy a really awesome TS server!" I mean, 1000 person alliance times $1 a month can buy a lot of server. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.03.21 00:23:00 - [25] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker I am going to get EVE Voice. This because the sound quality will be way better! TS/Vent sucks big time. The quality of the sound is Les horribles! Viewed in that light, 10 dollar a year is to me nothing! Have tested it, Ventrilo has a way better bitrate and quality when set up properly. I'll still be using Ventrilo as well as the rest of my corp as I'd rather members hang onto voice comms and not be disconnected if their game client crashes, to prevent silly losses. NEWEST MOVIE : VETO FOR HIRE
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.21 00:24:00 - [26] Originally by: Hllaxiu Edited by: Hllaxiu on 21/03/2007 00:14:59 Quote: Quote: I'm half expecting to see threads in recruitment asking for 'VOIP Only' but to be honest, it'll be their loss when they limit their recruitment pool to such an extent. We are talking about a bunch of people who pay 15 euros (or equiv) or a multiple of this per month for Eve, but can't afford an additional <1 euro for integrated voice. This is a very small demographic, excluding it really won't cause you any problems. I'm expecting alliances to say "Instead of giving that $1 (or 1 euro or pound or whatever) to CCP, send it via the paypal link to us, so we can buy a really awesome TS server!" I mean, 1000 person alliance times $1 a month can buy a lot of server. So you can have one TS server which is tied to your alliance, or all have voice coms which work with anyone else in the game? That's a tough choice. - If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine.
Benco97 Gallente Multiverse Corporation The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.03.21 00:27:00 - [27] Like I said in a thread about this before, I will be using this service but not for what most peopel are assuming it's for. You have your little fleet op thingy on your private voice server ,well that nice, well done. I'll be using it to talk to people I DON'T KNOW, you know.. sometimes we talk to people outside our corps? or even people we've never talked to before! it's an opportunity to meet new people. Imagine you're a pirate, you're ransoming someone. What you going to do, give them you're server details so they can log on to your ventrillo or simply use the eve voice ans send them a mighty "ARR!" I rest my case. "MY GOD KEEP THIS AWAY FROM BENCO97!!!!!" - Constantine Arcanum
Vabjekf Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.21 00:42:00 - [28] TS/Vent are better for anything you need voice com for. As people have stated above, more controll, and the ability to not lose it if eve crashs <- important As far as normal chatting? This is the internet, not some floozy voicemail service. Use text Im actualy happy about this pay thing. It will ensure that nobody will use it because its not useful unless everyone has acess to it, but that would be disasterous as you would get wierdos trying to voice convo you to negotiate prices for isogen or something -_-
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.21 00:48:00 - [29] This is likely a troll, but I'll bite... Originally by: Vabjekf TS/Vent are better for anything you need voice com for. As people have stated above, more controll, and the ability to not lose it if eve crashs <- important Wrong, wrong, and getting fixed, respectively. Originally by: Vabjekf As far as normal chatting? This is the internet, not some floozy voicemail service. Use text Find out what the second M in MMORPG is for. You must have no friends or ** friends if you never talk to them. Originally by:** Vabjekf Im actualy happy about this pay thing. It will ensure that nobody will use it because its not useful unless everyone has acess to it, but that would be disasterous as you would get wierdos trying to voice convo you to negotiate prices for isogen or something -_- Wrong and WTF? respectively. - If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine.
Vabjekf Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.21 00:55:00 - [30] Originally by: Crumplecorn This is likely a troll, but I'll bite... Originally by: Vabjekf TS/Vent are better for anything you need voice com for. As people have stated above, more controll, and the ability to not lose it if eve crashs <- important Wrong, wrong, and getting fixed, respectively. Originally by: Vabjekf As far as normal chatting? This is the internet, not some floozy voicemail service. Use text Find out what the second M in MMORPG is for. You must have no friends or ** friends if you never talk to them. I talk to people all the time. With text. My old friend bob, sometimes ill call him up on the phone and say "get online i need to talk to you". And then we use text. Text is better. The only time i have full conversations with people using my voice is when they are infront of me. Originally by:** Vabjekf Im actualy happy about this pay thing. It will ensure that nobody will use it because its not useful unless everyone has acess to it, but that would be disasterous as you would get wierdos trying to voice convo you to negotiate prices for isogen or something -_- Wrong and WTF? respectively. You have obviously never played a game that had intigrated free voice communication.



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