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Gaia Thorn Villains Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.22 11:33:00 - [151] Still the thing that bothers me is the word "premium" gives the feeeling that only a selected few can use it. Sure people will use it dont doubt that but see it from another perspective, this game was all about being cost free except your monthly subscription. Now i know you feel like saying but this isnt ccp's program they just implemented it into THEIR game. That is what ticks me of by implementing it into the game they inherit the program and it becomes a part of EVE. And starts to compete with Vent or TS. For me this is just a start to makes us more at ease with the concept of premium item's or even services. And in the end you might even have to spend RL money to buy T4 items. Cause they are deemed "premium".
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.22 11:46:00 - [152] Originally by: Gaia Thorn Still the thing that bothers me is the word "premium" gives the feeeling that only a selected few can use it. Sure people will use it dont doubt that but see it from another perspective, this game was all about being cost free except your monthly subscription. Now i know you feel like saying but this isnt ccp's program they just implemented it into THEIR game. That is what ticks me of by implementing it into the game they inherit the program and it becomes a part of EVE. And starts to compete with Vent or TS. For me this is just a start to makes us more at ease with the concept of premium item's or even services. And in the end you might even have to spend RL money to buy T4 items. Cause they are deemed "premium". There's a big difference between paying for an add-on feature, which can even be emulated by external apps, and paying for actual content. I think the next step in this direction would be paying extra for the DX10 client because the graphics are nicer. Or paying a 'second class citizen fee' on the DX9 client. It would be a good idea to integrate Vivox into the monthly subscription. That would kill most of the arguments against it, even the few intelligent ones. - If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine.
Shadow Lightbringer Association Of United Bastards	Posted - 2007.03.22 11:48:00 - [153] I signed up for the 30 day free trial, and I'm going to give it a fair shot. Right now I pay for a TS server which I let two corps and a small WoW guild use. If the Vivox option gives me reasonable audio quality then I will be dumping the TS server because Vivox is a much cheaper option for me. To those of you who feel CCP has wasted resources to bring this to us, I respectfully disagree. I think over time Vivox is going to win over many people, and it will become a very attractive option for EVE players.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE The Foundation.	Posted - 2007.03.22 11:54:00 - [154] If vivox was embeded in the normal subscription and everyone had it.. in 1 week it would take over... but as it is.. i doubt it. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.03.22 12:21:00 - [155] Edited by: Andrue on 22/03/2007 12:17:59 Originally by: Grez This has nothing to do with Vivox. I don't think you fully understand how the EVE client works. EVE-Voice is done via a completely different server, it's got nothing to do with grid loading. The voice servers don't have anything to do with information being transfered between players in a grid. Hell, there's not even the need for it. Yah. The only aspect of the Vivox chat that might have a bearing on Need4Speed is the location indicator on the system map. Even this could be being handled through the Vivox data stream and therefore would have no impact. Just to try and clarify this "Vivox=Lag/No it doesn't" situation:Most of what Vivox does can be implemented as a separate, invisible application that is started and stopped by Eve. There would need to be some communication between that application and the client but it doesn't need to involve the game servers. When you speak you send data to the Vivox servers. Most of it is the sound of your voice but part of it can be "I'm in Nererut at position 123; 456". Whoever is listening to that chat channel gets a copy of that datastream (obviously) and also gets the information. At this point the Vivox service application sends the voice data to your sound card and sends the location information to your client. Whether or not this is what actually happens I don't know but this has two major advantages that would appeal to CCP: * As noted it removes Vivox from the server-side lag issues and that's all that Need4Speed is concerned with. Client-side lag is the user's problem and can be addressed by them upgrading their machine. * It avoids having to give Vivox any details of the transmission protocol between client server and/or having to do a lot of work. It's the work of an hour at most to get one application to send a small amount of data to another on the same machine. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Please don't read this signature.
Neon Genesis Gallente The Landed Gentry	Posted - 2007.03.22 12:37:00 - [156] Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 20/03/2007 23:28:55 Ha ha, having just tested Vivox by logging my main and my alt and talking to myself using the corp channel, I realised that the one area wher Vivox will truly pwn is in small scale stuff like this. Voice chat with all the people in any channel (except local) is only one click away. TS/Vent can't do that. And Vivox can do everything TS/Vent can do (except OOG, which is apparently coming in the future). Vivox > All Even if Vivox fails in the alliance/fleetop arena (and it may yet suceed), it really adds to Eve that anywhere where we could once type to each other we can now talk to each other instead with such ease. Useless feature? Try 'one of the best additions in recent times'. I want to do voice ransoms, even just for the novelty. Also, 9.95 for a year is an utter pittance.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.22 12:39:00 - [157] Originally by: Neon Genesis Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 20/03/2007 23:28:55 Ha ha, having just tested Vivox by logging my main and my alt and talking to myself using the corp channel, I realised that the one area wher Vivox will truly pwn is in small scale stuff like this. Voice chat with all the people in any channel (except local) is only one click away. TS/Vent can't do that. And Vivox can do everything TS/Vent can do (except OOG, which is apparently coming in the future). Vivox > All Even if Vivox fails in the alliance/fleetop arena (and it may yet suceed), it really adds to Eve that anywhere where we could once type to each other we can now talk to each other instead with such ease. Useless feature? Try 'one of the best additions in recent times'. I want to do voice ransoms, even just for the novelty. Also, 9.95 for a year is an utter pittance. TBH I want voice in local. It would be functionally useless (except maybe in 0.0), but amusing. - If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine.
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.03.22 13:08:00 - [158] Everyone seems to assume that the only use it has is fleet combat as that is all they use TS/Vent for apparently. You can use Vivox whenever you want to switch a convo to voice comms without alt-tabbing to TS, setting up a "room" and alt-tabbing back. Not to mention the fact that you can do this with people who aren't on your TS server. Those who prefer to type will still do so. Even if it were free. I myself would rarely use Vivox due to my PC being situated in the living-room and my constant chatter would drive my partner crazy. It's still well worth the money, especially for those who will get a lot of use out of it. In time it will come to work out of game and will be quite viable for use by fleets (especially if a large proportion of people don't subscribe to it until then). However if too few people subscribe then it will vanish along with the greatest potential for integrated voice comms this game is likely to see in a long time.
hinch Gallente Furious Angels	Posted - 2007.03.22 13:22:00 - [159] Originally by: Smagd You have someone who provides free TS servers? As in noone has to pay their bandwidth? Sign me up please, I'll bring 400 alliance mates. there are several people including myself who can offer TS servers to corps and alliance with any number of voice slots for ingame isk the going rate for more of the people who do this seems to be between 1 and 2 million per person. so if you've got 400 people then at most its only going to cost you what 800 mill a month for a 400 slot TS server? which for a corp/alliance of that size is next to nothing Furious Angels are recruiting Furious Angels we do it for the girls!
Barbarellas Daughter Lonely Barbarella	Posted - 2007.03.22 13:23:00 - [160] iom really looking forward to listening to Jita local

Swamp Ziro EPSILON TEAM	Posted - 2007.03.22 13:29:00 - [161] Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 22/03/2007 13:26:10 Originally by: Esurnir Are graphist able to fix bug ? Are vivox people able to change the queuing system of the server ? No. They are people working for bug, they are people working for new content, most of new content manpower can't be switched to bug fixxing. They are all getting paid from the same money-pool smarty pants. Don't hire vivox people, hire more bugfixers.
DeathToHell	Posted - 2007.03.22 13:33:00 - [162] Edited by: DeathToHell on 22/03/2007 13:30:00 ** Voice !!, I want webcams FYI, There ARE free TS servers. Google is your friend I`ll pay Isk for the ***, but no way would I use any more RL money towards the game for something I dont really need! edit: cant say C r a c k ?? lol
Crax McGee Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.03.22 13:35:00 - [163] Gewns will no dout find a way to crash the node by 300+ people shouting 'Yelp' Down the mic in local vivox chat!
Ryysa North Face Force Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.22 14:00:00 - [164] Edited by: Ryysa on 22/03/2007 13:56:55 Originally by: hinch Originally by: Smagd You have someone who provides free TS servers? As in noone has to pay their bandwidth? Sign me up please, I'll bring 400 alliance mates. there are several people including myself who can offer TS servers to corps and alliance with any number of voice slots for ingame isk You do realize that by offering people TS servers for isk you have to pay for a commercial TS license, or you are infringing intellectual property laws. That means you have to pay them per slot. If you aren't then you are basically doing software piracy (according to their license). If someone sends them a mail about it/they find out about it, you can expect: 1. For your server to get blacklisted. 2. Your ISP getting a warning, and after that you might be facing a lawsuit. Ofcourse, this does not really apply if you live in a country where copyright laws are not enforced. N.F.F. Recruitment
Teebee	Posted - 2007.03.22 14:02:00 - [165] Edited by: Teebee on 22/03/2007 13:59:03 Originally by: Geldorf Drakar I must say that I am severly dissapointed with CCP decision to include a voice client into EVE. As well I am supprised at CCPs naivety, thinking that Users would turn to an integrated voice client which they have to pay for, when nearly everyone has a TS or Vent server available for use, free I might add. ------------------------------------------------------ It's Obvious why people would want to use it , its because you can just start talking to people without having to send info for ts - vent and it will cause more outcomes in the game which is a good thing especialy if your bored. hey! just start talking ! But the part I dont like is the fee , EvE is already expensive imo and I dont know if many people will get Voice so if you get it and not many people will then your screwd. I think it should be free for a while before they charge and I realy think that people who hang in Jita all day will get this and just talk crap lol.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.22 14:05:00 - [166] Originally by: Swamp Ziro Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 22/03/2007 13:26:10 Originally by: Esurnir Are graphist able to fix bug ? Are vivox people able to change the queuing system of the server ? No. They are people working for bug, they are people working for new content, most of new content manpower can't be switched to bug fixxing. They are all getting paid from the same money-pool smarty pants. Don't hire vivox people, hire more bugfixers. Ooh, yeah, let's have people who are new to the code fixing the bugs. - Originally by: CCP Sharkbait think the problem is found. last startup now.
Swamp Ziro EPSILON TEAM	Posted - 2007.03.22 14:09:00 - [167] Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 22/03/2007 14:05:29 Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Swamp Ziro Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 22/03/2007 13:26:10 Originally by: Esurnir Are graphist able to fix bug ? Are vivox people able to change the queuing system of the server ? No. They are people working for bug, they are people working for new content, most of new content manpower can't be switched to bug fixxing. They are all getting paid from the same money-pool smarty pants. Don't hire vivox people, hire more bugfixers. Ooh, yeah, let's have people who are new to the code fixing the bugs. Look I don't care. Don't hire vivox people and use the money to buy Sharkbait some beers, I don't give a damn. Just don't waste money.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.22 14:16:00 - [168] Originally by: Swamp Ziro Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 22/03/2007 14:05:29 Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Swamp Ziro Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 22/03/2007 13:26:10 Originally by: Esurnir Are graphist able to fix bug ? Are vivox people able to change the queuing system of the server ? No. They are people working for bug, they are people working for new content, most of new content manpower can't be switched to bug fixxing. They are all getting paid from the same money-pool smarty pants. Don't hire vivox people, hire more bugfixers. Ooh, yeah, let's have people who are new to the code fixing the bugs. Look I don't care. Don't hire vivox people and use the money to buy Sharkbait some beers, I don't give a damn. Just don't waste money. It's not a waste of money, and throwing money at problems doesn't solve them. If that logic is going to be used, can I request that missions are removed, anyone who is employed to work on them be fired, and more money is put into real content? No? Thought not. - Originally by: CCP Sharkbait think the problem is found. last startup now.
Daniel Jackson Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.03.22 14:19:00 - [169] CCP Please EMBED the voice chat with our current subscription ___________________ Sig removed. Lacks EvE related content. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
Swamp Ziro EPSILON TEAM	Posted - 2007.03.22 14:21:00 - [170] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Swamp Ziro Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 22/03/2007 14:05:29 Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Swamp Ziro Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 22/03/2007 13:26:10 Originally by: Esurnir Are graphist able to fix bug ? Are vivox people able to change the queuing system of the server ? No. They are people working for bug, they are people working for new content, most of new content manpower can't be switched to bug fixxing. They are all getting paid from the same money-pool smarty pants. Don't hire vivox people, hire more bugfixers. Ooh, yeah, let's have people who are new to the code fixing the bugs. Look I don't care. Don't hire vivox people and use the money to buy Sharkbait some beers, I don't give a damn. Just don't waste money. It's not a waste of money, and throwing money at problems doesn't solve them. If that logic is going to be used, can I request that missions are removed, anyone who is employed to work on them be fired, and more money is put into real content? No? Thought not. No, because some people like missions. I've yet to see a person that likes vivox. Also, throwing money at some problems DOES solve them, especially problems like "we don't have enough money!!:("

Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.22 14:23:00 - [171] Originally by: Swamp Ziro Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Swamp Ziro Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 22/03/2007 14:05:29 Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Swamp Ziro Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 22/03/2007 13:26:10 Originally by: Esurnir Are graphist able to fix bug ? Are vivox people able to change the queuing system of the server ? No. They are people working for bug, they are people working for new content, most of new content manpower can't be switched to bug fixxing. They are all getting paid from the same money-pool smarty pants. Don't hire vivox people, hire more bugfixers. Ooh, yeah, let's have people who are new to the code fixing the bugs. Look I don't care. Don't hire vivox people and use the money to buy Sharkbait some beers, I don't give a damn. Just don't waste money. It's not a waste of money, and throwing money at problems doesn't solve them. If that logic is going to be used, can I request that missions are removed, anyone who is employed to work on them be fired, and more money is put into real content? No? Thought not. No, because some people like missions. I've yet to see a person that likes vivox. Also, throwing money at some problems DOES solve them, especially problems like "we don't have enough money!!:(" WTF? There are people in every Vivox thread supporting it. There were loads of people who volunteered to test is on Sisi and TQ. Either you don't know what you are talking about, or you're just lying. - Originally by: CCP Sharkbait think the problem is found. last startup now.
Jayad HIVE X-PACT	Posted - 2007.03.22 14:59:00 - [172] Originally by: Swamp Ziro No, because some people like missions. I've yet to see a person that likes vivox. Also, throwing money at some problems DOES solve them, especially problems like "we don't have enough money!!: Strange statement like Crumple said. Loads of people are into it, i think its a very good idea. Not sure if its been mentioned in this thread but easy access to VOIP creates a more level playing field amoung corps. Competing without VOIP is very hard especially in fleet combat, so im all for it. Geldorf, so i bet your not going to have this active, dammit i wanted to turn our quarterly convo's into voice enabled. Ill probably just join your TS once in a while then lol.
Gaia Thorn Villains Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.22 15:06:00 - [173] But that's just the thing if they would implement the feature of you buying T2 item straight away you would voilently reject it. But slowly and incremently subject users to such functions and words will make them accustomed to it. This is the feeling im getting that slowly creeping towards that goal. 1 GTC (RL money for ingame item/time) 2 Voice (start easing in premium services) 3 Items (start selling T2 item for RL cash to reduce load on market) 4 all out sales of everything ( buy youre way to the top)
Derran Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.22 15:39:00 - [174] Originally by: Gaia Thorn But that's just the thing if they would implement the feature of you buying T2 item straight away you would voilently reject it. But slowly and incremently subject users to such functions and words will make them accustomed to it. This is the feeling im getting that slowly creeping towards that goal. 1 GTC (RL money for ingame item/time) 2 Voice (start easing in premium services) 3 Items (start selling T2 item for RL cash to reduce load on market) 4 all out sales of everything ( buy youre way to the top) You win the tinfoil hat crown. Congradulations.
Tarish Montrey Gallente Vindicate and Deliverance The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2007.03.22 15:45:00 - [175] I think VIVOX exclusive corps and alliances is completely acceptable. Why do anyone care if I use VIVOX. If I require VIVOX. I have an advantage you dont. Soo I think VIVOX rocks.. I am Tarish your friendly VIVOX supporter... Sig follows- .Join
Johnathan Roark Caldari Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.03.22 16:07:00 - [176] Edited by: Johnathan Roark on 22/03/2007 16:04:11 It looks very cool, but there are some major issues. 1)5 to 10 second delay when you press push to talk and when you can actually talk 2) Not many options 3)voice qualty is not very good 4)I can not bind it to my windows key? 5) This is the biggest reason, i can hear other people, but they can not hear me. Teamspeak still works fine, so its not my issue. unless i am missing an option? Corporation Management Improvement
hinch Gallente Furious Angels	Posted - 2007.03.22 16:10:00 - [177] Originally by: Ryysa You do realize that by offering people TS servers for isk you have to pay for a commercial TS license, or you are infringing intellectual property laws. That means you have to pay them per slot. If you aren't then you are basically doing software piracy (according to their license). If someone sends them a mail about it/they find out about it, you can expect: 1. For your server to get blacklisted. 2. Your ISP getting a warning, and after that you might be facing a lawsuit. Ofcourse, this does not really apply if you live in a country where copyright laws are not enforced. or already own a commercial TS license due to owning a hosting company and a game server hosting company where the TS servers are given away with every server rented :) Furious Angels are recruiting Furious Angels we do it for the girls!
Davincicod Minmatar Meat 2 Veg	Posted - 2007.03.22 16:25:00 - [178] I will not pay for eve voice no matter how good it is. We pay ENOUGH for this game already. Eve voice should be free content as it is part of the game. I'm sorry but CCP arent getting any more money out of me and my corp. Vent and TS it will remain.
Anon I'muss	Posted - 2007.03.22 16:32:00 - [179] Hmm... Think some of you are just arguing for the sake of arguing! After testing Vivox using the trial last night I have some thoughts: 1)It doesn't work! My TS works, but Vivox refuses to let me broadcast at all. The PTT either doesn't work or has no effect, thats using the middle mouse button. The 'talk' key must be bound with alt, ctrl or shift which makes that useful, not! 2)I have three accounts, ú10 (or whatever it is) is fine for one account, but ú30 a month is stupid, I hate to think what some of those people who have even more accounts are likely to do. The price of the VoIP either needs to be included in the sub or taken as a separate account, thus allowing one account for the player... 3)The help is woefully inadequate, I've looked at the help here, lots of questions but most of the answers either don't apply or work. If this is being added as a mature software solution it should have a serious support system in place. After all if I'm supposed to pay for it it has to work. If this isn't a mature solution, as many commentators seem to be saying. Why on earth are they charging for it? As I said before this is not a bad idea, but the current implementation is horrendous, if CCP/Vivox can get that sorted out then they may well be onto a winner as it is there is no 'real' reason to switch from TS/Vent which are better as it stands... heck Skype is better... heck the cheap walkie talkie I bought for my kids is better! _________________________________________________________ My main forum alt...
Rangar Gallente The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.22 16:32:00 - [180] Well, with this feature CCP answered a question nobody had asked. I for myself would prefer, if the GMs would answer my petition, which is open for more than 3 weeks now without a single word!



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