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bigfatbird Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.21 09:54:00 - [61] Originally by: Esurnir Are graphist able to fix bug ? Are vivox people able to change the queuing system of the server ? No. They are people working for bug, they are people working for new content, most of new content manpower can't be switched to bug fixxing. No but you can give the money you invested into vixox to other departments. Thats what he says imo.
Gmoorick R.u.S.H. - Fanatics Ultima Rati0	Posted - 2007.03.21 10:35:00 - [62] Just give me client-independent in-game voice and I'll pay 40$ a year ;) Integrating voice to EVE is good unless your client/nod crashes while you're in a gang or fleet. Now this feature will be used for those who don't like typing.
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2007.03.21 10:38:00 - [63] Originally by: Karim alRashid I'd like to know what measures are taken to prevent devs, GMs, etc. from eavesdropping on enemy alliance/corp channels (where applicable). Their phenominal IA department. Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Pharos Dei Amarr	Posted - 2007.03.21 10:53:00 - [64] wow so many people in this thread are basically retarded... you dont like vivox? you think that vent/ts is better/cheaper/whatever.. well, then DONT ****in use it! damn... you think 10$ a year wil split up the community, and/or you cant afford it, and thus are antisocial? well, get a job... or stay true to your oppinions and get rid of you cars, houses, electricity, sanitational facilities and food & water... since ive heard there a re a few people in africa that dont have this luxury too ( and you sure as hell dont want to seperate yourself...) damnit people are so stupid... dont like it, dont use, but STFU... Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Hango ([email protected])
Vort X EON Order Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.03.21 11:12:00 - [65] Edited by: Vort X on 21/03/2007 11:11:50 If everyone would use it I'd say it's a fantastic addition, but obviously they wont, for different reasons. My reason is the sound quality. English is not my first language, so the high quality, crisp sound that our vent server delivers, makes it piece of cake to understand even diffierent accents. On Vivox, personally I found myself in trouble to understand the conservation, especially when spoken English delivered with strong accent. Sound quality is vital for me, so Vent is the obvious choice for me over Vivox atm. If Vivox will use a better codec on their paid servers, I might change my mind.
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.03.21 11:19:00 - [66] Originally by: Karim alRashid I'd like to know what measures are taken to prevent devs, GMs, etc. from eavesdropping on enemy alliance/corp channels (where applicable). Yes, they deleted my post posing a similar point. I guess that goes some way to show that CCP still have no way whatsoever to prevent GM/Dev cheating and need to maintain the whitewash at any cost. Is it even possible that CCP could deliver a fair game with cheating constraints even if they actually wanted to? What's the problem with people wanting to know if the ViVox system is corruptable? Doesn't really sound like the new open caring sharing CCP does it when you're deleting such concerns. Which is why nobody should put any faith in you any more. Eve: Cheats prosper.
Koori eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.21 11:48:00 - [67] Personally I hate using TS/Vent. Not because it's crap. I just hate switching windows, manageing all the IP adresses etc. I'm really looking forward to Vivox voice chat simply because it will be integrated in game and I'll be able to join channels and speak with people just by clicking an icon. I think that you should stop whining and moaning. Every serious game developer in the world is thinking about or working on integrating voice comms in their game. It's the way the games are working now.
Cosmos Elf	Posted - 2007.03.21 12:09:00 - [68] 400 member corp total cost for Eve Voice: $4000/year or $333.34/month 400 member corp total cost for Teamspeak: $960/year or $80/month (Based on a quick google for prices. There is possibly cheaper hosting out there.) --
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.21 12:47:00 - [69] Well turkey dung!! I cant use this wonderful feature! Dial up or satilite modems not supported! Well another item crossed out on my list of "Lets hang around and see what happens to Eve." Only five more items... Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.21 12:51:00 - [70] Originally by: Cosmos Elf 400 member corp total cost for Eve Voice: $4000/year or $333.34/month 400 member corp total cost for Teamspeak: $960/year or $80/month (Based on a quick google for prices. There is possibly cheaper hosting out there.) Ah....it states there that after 30 day trial...you pay only $10 a year for the first year. Now this is being added to your account fees. Not being paid by corp or alliances. And by rights, CCP has offered a service, if they so choose they can ban the use of Vent/TS as unauthorized 'third' party programs. After all what is .85 a month? if you cant afford that you should not even be playing on line games. Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.

Tarish Montrey Gallente Vindicate and Deliverance The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2007.03.21 12:54:00 - [71] Edited by: Tarish Montrey on 21/03/2007 12:52:43 Cool found it. Sig follows- Nice and young. Get on the floor............I love it one two step.
Yuleth Gix	Posted - 2007.03.21 13:05:00 - [72] If I have multiple accounts can I use eve-voice in all or do I have to pay the 10$ to activate the voice feature on each account?
Prophet Jurah Amarr	Posted - 2007.03.21 13:12:00 - [73] Originally by: James Lyrus Originally by: CHAOS100 Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 20/03/2007 23:28:55 Ha ha, having just tested Vivox by logging my main and my alt and talking to myself using the corp channel, I realised that the one area wher Vivox will truly pwn is in small scale stuff like this. Voice chat with all the people in any channel (except local) is only one click away. TS/Vent can't do that. And Vivox can do everything TS/Vent can do (except OOG, which is apparently coming in the future). Vivox > All Even if Vivox fails in the alliance/fleetop arena (and it may yet suceed), it really adds to Eve that anywhere where we could once type to each other we can now talk to each other instead with such ease. Useless feature? Try 'one of the best additions in recent times'. Why would you want to talk to everyone in every channel? Seems like easy ability to spam and easy to embarass yourself in several ways I wont bother mentioning. And btw it IS possible in vent, as are many things... and people just don't use them... because those features are just THAT useful /sarcasm. What if 1 person doesn't pay for vivox, then it will be pointless to make a voice mail to corp or to talk during any operation. Also, quality doesn't beat vent unfortunately. It will probably cause lag in the same way gang bonuses cause lag in fleets. That's actually my biggest problem with eve-voice. In order to be useful, everyone in the corp's going to have to get it. Or, I could just keep paying what's just 'not all that much' (to me) for a vent server. The same thing applies to ventrilo. Everyone has to use it too. Your point is?

Timmeh 2000 Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.03.21 13:17:00 - [74] Thread cleaned a little - please remember everyone is entitled to their opinion. Do not launch into personal attacks, profanity or trolling or the thread will need to be locked. Forum Rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website \| Role Play in Eve

Victor Valka Caldari Archon Industries	Posted - 2007.03.21 13:19:00 - [75] Why doesn't CCP just add 1 euro a month to out subscription cost? Considering EVE has the highest subscription cost on the MMOG market (AFAIK), and we can (obviously) afford to pay that, I'm not really seeing the problem here. Originally by: Diana Marc Notice that BoB is agreeing with RA's concern. That's like Elrond and Sauron agreeing to reduce carbon emissions.
Harisdrop Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.21 13:21:00 - [76] What happens if you have two accounts. Does this VIVOX subscription work for both?
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.21 13:26:00 - [77] To be honest, I was pretty skeptical about it, I mean I've used TS or Ventrilo for tons of different MMOs. They're definitely not perfect, but they get the job done overall. Then I went to Fanfest, and heard about the possibilities the Vivox solution offers. My biggest issue was that CCP was just going to toss in a VOIP feature adding no value, for a few extra bucks a month from people. But the possibilities for integration into EVE are quite astonishing. I don't know many who weren't impressed who were there. Would all of those possibilities be here during the first implementation? It was basically stated that the feature set supported would be up to CCP, and if they include basic stuff to start and add more robust features later when things have settled then that's fine by me. Thing is, there's a lot this can offer that TS and Ventrilo cannot. We may not be seeing it right now (and may not for a while, or even ever in the case of some things), but the possibilities are quite intriguing. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Baleorg Gallente Guys of Sarcasm	Posted - 2007.03.21 13:32:00 - [78] Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: Baleorg in fact when you DONT subscribe you wont even notice its there since it wont Oh you mean like not noticing local appear? The bug he wont have to experience because hes not using Vivox? It has already caused bugs, the same thing CCP swore black and blue it wouldnt. Whether we use it or not, we all get the bugs that come with it. local was a different issue, maybe partly of vivox, but that has been fixed.. i had NO vivox at that time, and i even run the "dreaded" win2k i enabled vivox at evening though, still no issues, and i even use 2 soundcards for me it works fine BTW: A GOOD Cache-Cleaner
Baleorg Gallente Guys of Sarcasm	Posted - 2007.03.21 13:35:00 - [79] Originally by: Cosmos Elf 400 member corp total cost for Eve Voice: $4000/year or $333.34/month 400 member corp total cost for Teamspeak: $960/year or $80/month (Based on a quick google for prices. There is possibly cheaper hosting out there.) you forgot to substract the alts on the corp... BTW: A GOOD Cache-Cleaner
Baleorg Gallente Guys of Sarcasm	Posted - 2007.03.21 13:35:00 - [80] Originally by: Harisdrop What happens if you have two accounts. Does this VIVOX subscription work for both? does your creditcard subscription work for both accounts? no... of course not... each account has its own subscription, silly :-P BTW: A GOOD Cache-Cleaner

Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.21 13:39:00 - [81] Originally by: Baleorg Originally by: Harisdrop What happens if you have two accounts. Does this VIVOX subscription work for both? does your creditcard subscription work for both accounts? no... of course not... each account has its own subscription, silly :-P The question was asked at Fanfest last year, whether a single sub would cover multiple accounts. The answer from the Vivox fella was basically, if that's how CCP wants it to be handled then that's what will happen. :) warp drive active \| nature vraie
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.21 13:47:00 - [82] Edited by: Plutoinum on 21/03/2007 13:53:13 Originally by: Benco97 What you going to do, give them you're server details so they can log on to your ventrillo or simply use the eve voice ans send them a mighty "ARR!" I rest my case. Yes, and probably a lot of conversations of smacktards, who got killed. Local is easier to ignore. If the victim is in a bad mood, I don't want to get dragged down too, but enjoy my loot. Btw. I've got 4 accounts, but only 1 voice. I don't think I want to pay for each account. And I need usual teamspeak/ventrilo anyway, because I like to talk with my corp mates, even if I am logged off or relogging to another char. ___________ Muuuhhh !!!
Doppleganger Minmatar Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.21 13:49:00 - [83] Maybe I'm still stuck in the past but I still never have my sound enabled in EVE when it comes to fleet battles and I leave it that way about 95% of the time I play eve. I was always told turn all effects off, turn sound off and turn msgs off to reduce a bit of the lag in fleet battles so why would I want an intergraded voice that might lead to more lag in fleet battles. Maybe like I said I'm just stuck in the past and none of those things no longer add to fleet battle lag but just in case I leave them all off anyway. All that would leave vivox for is the 5% of the time I have sound enabled, so maybe... its not like its spendy.
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2007.03.21 14:00:00 - [84] Originally by: Winterblink To be honest, I was pretty skeptical about it, I mean I've used TS or Ventrilo for tons of different MMOs. They're definitely not perfect, but they get the job done overall. Then I went to Fanfest, and heard about the possibilities the Vivox solution offers. My biggest issue was that CCP was just going to toss in a VOIP feature adding no value, for a few extra bucks a month from people. But the possibilities for integration into EVE are quite astonishing. I don't know many who weren't impressed who were there. Would all of those possibilities be here during the first implementation? It was basically stated that the feature set supported would be up to CCP, and if they include basic stuff to start and add more robust features later when things have settled then that's fine by me. Thing is, there's a lot this can offer that TS and Ventrilo cannot. We may not be seeing it right now (and may not for a while, or even ever in the case of some things), but the possibilities are quite intriguing. I have absolutly no idea how CCP could introduce a feature like that and charge extra for it. I play other online games in which the voice chat is completely free of charge. Having said that, there is an easy solution. Raise the normal online subscription fee by 30cents or maybe 50cents per month, and make the ingame voice a standard feature for everyone. I have said it before and will say it again. By splitting the community, as it is doing the way it is introduced, it is an anti-social feature and has no place in an mmorpg.
Gaia Thorn Villains Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.21 14:13:00 - [85] 4 questions ! 1. how do CCP intend to police the voice channels for profanity and threats ? 2. Will their be a choice to increase the sound quality further along ? 3. Are their any icons that show you have voice enabled in local so i know im not speaking to people that dont have it activated ? 4. how do i prove that i have been harassed in voice channels ?
Harisdrop Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.21 14:14:00 - [86] First you have to be in a private channel. Umm have you ever been on TS/Vent
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.21 14:16:00 - [87] Edited by: Winterblink on 21/03/2007 14:13:36 Originally by: Soulita I have said it before and will say it again. By splitting the community, as it is doing the way it is introduced, it is an anti-social feature and has no place in an mmorpg. So you're basically against the disparity between the haves and have-nots, not against the feature itself or the additional charges for it, if I'm reading your entire post right. Personally I don't agree with your labeling of the feature as "antisocial", but I can understand where you're coming from. Edit: Oh, and EVE Online is not technically a MMORPG. But that's a whole other discussion. :) warp drive active \| nature vraie
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2007.03.21 14:25:00 - [88] Edited by: Soulita on 21/03/2007 14:30:25 Edited by: Soulita on 21/03/2007 14:23:56 Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Soulita I have said it before and will say it again. By splitting the community, as it is doing the way it is introduced, it is an anti-social feature and has no place in an mmorpg. So you're basically against the disparity between the haves and have-nots, not against the feature itself or the additional charges for it, if I'm reading your entire post right. Personally I don't agree with your labeling of the feature as "antisocial", but I can understand where you're coming from. The problem with the feature is, it is in effect an add on that costs RL extra money. Some will have it, some wont. Splitting the community and breaking CCPs promise not to charge extra for add ons.
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.21 14:30:00 - [89] Originally by: Soulita The problem with the feature is, it is in effect an add on that costs RL extra money. Splitting the community and breaking CCPs promise not to charge extra for add ons. CCP's "promise" was not to charge extra for expansion content. You don't NEED this to play EVE, not having it won't keep you from flying to any place you want, or getting access to new ships and gear. The Voice stuff is not new complexes, new NPCs, new deployable gear for POSes, or anything like that. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Harisdrop Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.21 14:33:00 - [90] VIVOX is the uber client security. I can understand most feeling not to play. I guess if you cant get the ip and password to jump into my conversation then I guess you will get mad. I like the common feature that if you dont want to have VIVOX then you dont need it. There will be a feeling as more leave the Vent and TS world and your excluded from most voice comms you will be seperated from the community.



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