The one good thing about this change is it bans isk doublers.

The one good thing about this change is it bans isk doublers.

I was unaware they were third parties. I mean let's be honest. Those are scams

Not going to read through all this to see if anybody had called you guys out on it but here:

So to be clear, after years of free publicity as these sites sponsored places like EN24, CZ, alllllllll the podcasts that got you attention on twitch and gaming sites, after they carry your tournament this year for the first bit and do an arguably better job than you yourself have this year, after all that, you're just going to take a heaving dump on their chest and outright shut them down because of .........

What a great way to thank your playerbase for its years of service keeping your company afloat.


So your own media is sparse, who do you suggest pays the writers that generate interest in your game now? Who pays the streamers that give newer players a glimpse of a game they might get hooked on?

Your community held you up when you were down, and your response to that is to purposely gut everything that currently generates content from the player base.


EDIT: Not to mention, prohibition has literally never worked, people will still gamble.

How do you figure that?

The ISK doubler is a third party, even if it's a scam it's still encouraging gambling, especially if the ISK doubler sometimes pays out.

From the EULA, it's no different to me running a lottery, which is definately gambling.

As ccp has used the word... they are. You and ccp are first and second party. Anyone else is third party. According to the new eula even internal corp hosted pvp tournaments would be now bannable if they have a buy in.

As ccp has used the word... they are. You and ccp are first and second party. Anyone else is third party. According to the new eula even internal corp hosted pvp tournaments would be now bannable if they have a buy in.

Hahahahaha

No.

I'm serious, ISK doublers are encouraging people to engage in a game of chance, the only change might be if CCP banned ISK doublers from paying out ISK to lure more suckers in, turning it from a lottery into a 'donation', but the current system where they do sometimes pay out (unless they argued it wasn't based on chance, but only on a purely predator/prey decision to see how much they could scam off someone, which might lead to someone trying to create a 'legit' lottery), it'd lead to the absurd situation of having a fake lottery is fine, but a real one is not.

With regard to Alpha accounts, its clear from the wording that you are not allowed to play more than one alpha account at a time.

I think from the wording that it is ok to play an alpha account at the same time as any number of Omega accounts, which would make sense as you are paying for those, but I dont think the wording is explicit on this. So, is it ok to use an Alpha account to assist your omega accounts, using them at the same time ? Eg, an Alpha hauler alt helping your Omega miner toons ?

Nope, that would be a game of skill, therefore not gambling.

edit: FOI2TY8 please give your reasons.

Ahem... Like POKER?!?!

I'm serious, ISK doublers are encouraging people to engage in a game of chance

the only change might be if CCP banned ISK doublers from paying out ISK to lure more suckers in, turning it from a lottery into a 'donation', but the current system where they do sometimes pay out (unless they argued it wasn't based on chance, but only on a purely predator/prey decision to see how much they could scam off someone, which might lead to someone trying to create a 'legit' lottery),

it'd lead to the absurd situation of having a fake lottery is fine, but a real one is not.

The ISK doubler is a third party, even if it's a scam it's still encouraging gambling, especially if the ISK doubler sometimes pays out.

From the EULA, it's no different to me running a lottery, which is definately gambling.

Ahem... Like POKER?!?! Are you using ECM modules in the pvp tournament? Cause then it's a game of chance. Are you using a random number generator to pick seeds and the tournament schedule? Now it's a game of chance....

You're right about [<------this------>] far away from me having to come find you and test your knowledge of specific mechanics.

edit: FOI2TY8 please give your reasons.

I'm serious, ISK doublers are encouraging people to engage in a game of chance, the only change might be if CCP banned ISK doublers from paying out ISK to lure more suckers in, turning it from a lottery into a 'donation', but the current system where they do sometimes pay out (unless they argued it wasn't based on chance, but only on a purely predator/prey decision to see how much they could scam off someone, which might lead to someone trying to create a 'legit' lottery), it'd lead to the absurd situation of having a fake lottery is fine, but a real one is not.

Nope, it's a scam; a game of chance would require that there was a possibility, no matter how remote, of winning; there isn't.

The payout isn't based on chance, it's a lure.

If you're dumb enough or greedy enough to fall for an isk doubling scam it's not a lottery, it's a certainty that you're going to lose some isk.

On topic.
Given the current climate with regards to gambling in both the UK and the US I don't see how CCP had any choice in the matter. With the CS-GO ruling and the prosecution of 2 UK youtubers for promoting lotteries without a licence, regardless of the fact that it was with an item that, IIRC, was not officially exchangeable for RL currency, I think it was a wise move to preempt the potential for a legal problem.

I'm a little disappointed that I can't run an alpha and an omega simultaneously, I had plans for that if it had been allowed.

Ok, I'll answer all your points in order
1. Even if it is a lure, you're still sending off money with a chance of getting some back even if the odds are stacked against you, or even if the scammer is just feeling generous, if they ban all games of chance, they have to ban anything that appears to violate the EULA e.g. if I started spamming Jita offering DDOS services, I would get banned, even if I was only scamming people.

2. see above point.

3. I think it was partly due to the outsized influence that gambling sites were having on the economy....

@Ralph King-Griffin, can you imagine the outcry if CCP actually banned someone on the grounds that there was no skill in PVP, and it was therefore a game of chance?

Nope, it's a scam; a game of chance would require that there was a possibility, no matter how remote, of winning; there isn't.

Ok, I'll answer all your points in order
1. Even if it is a lure, you're still sending off money with a chance of getting some back even if the odds are stacked against you, or even if the scammer is just feeling generous, if they ban all games of chance, they have to ban anything that appears to violate the EULA e.g. if I started spamming Jita offering DDOS services, I would get banned, even if I was only scamming people.

2. see above point.

3. I think it was partly due to the outsized influence that gambling sites were having on the economy....

@Ralph King-Griffin, can you imagine the outcry if CCP actually banned someone on the grounds that there was no skill in PVP, and it was therefore a game of chance?

You're right about [<------this------>] far away from me having to come find you and test your knowledge of specific mechanics.

That's a bit stiff, isn't it? Introducing new terms and immediately banning people without any grace period to allow them to lawfully cease and desist?

I've been paid out from this "scammers" before in jita.

In short, this addition to the EVE Online EULA means that as of the launch of EVE Online: Ascension, players will be prohibited from using in game assets and currency, as well as the EVE IP, to take part in or promote gambling services or other games of chance that are operated by third parties.