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Dragutinovic
Caldari Bladerunners Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2007.03.30 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight There's no wonder lots of us are boycotting these forums these days.
"OMG 5 BoB Dreads died" - mahoosive backslapping "OMG coalition lost a load of dreads" - dreads mean nothing we can replace them easily
One could be excused for assuming that there is a -100 points of IQ penalty for posting on Eve-O given the utter stupidity of the comments on this forum.
Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.
Sorry but thats very rich seeing the alliance youre in .
Not pointing at you personally but towards quite a lot of members of BoB . _____________
Im back !
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Gibmundur
Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.30 09:35:00 -
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Can my geddon be moved back to agil plz.
Can't belive i wasted a night of lagging like a *****, i was going to go there and blow some bod up ffs Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg |
Evelgrivion
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.30 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dragutinovic
Originally by: Blacklight There's no wonder lots of us are boycotting these forums these days.
"OMG 5 BoB Dreads died" - mahoosive backslapping "OMG coalition lost a load of dreads" - dreads mean nothing we can replace them easily
One could be excused for assuming that there is a -100 points of IQ penalty for posting on Eve-O given the utter stupidity of the comments on this forum.
Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.
Sorry but thats very rich seeing the alliance youre in .
Not pointing at you personally but towards quite a lot of members of BoB .
The irony is in how I can find your own post ironic for exactly the same reason you find blacklight's; the Coalition is on a tremendous power trip; the smallest battles bring praise, and the smallest of victories earn a parade. A tail of success at this level brings the universe to a standstill.
BoB is famous for being arrogant, but the Coalition is taking arrogance to a whole new level, and BoB decided that it would be best to stay out of the e-peen waggling. There really shouldn't be any particular wonder as to why ---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--- This isn't the signature you're looking for. |
Dragutinovic
Caldari Bladerunners Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2007.03.30 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Evelgrivion
Originally by: Dragutinovic
Originally by: Blacklight There's no wonder lots of us are boycotting these forums these days.
"OMG 5 BoB Dreads died" - mahoosive backslapping "OMG coalition lost a load of dreads" - dreads mean nothing we can replace them easily
One could be excused for assuming that there is a -100 points of IQ penalty for posting on Eve-O given the utter stupidity of the comments on this forum.
Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.
Sorry but thats very rich seeing the alliance youre in .
Not pointing at you personally but towards quite a lot of members of BoB .
The irony is in how I can find your own post ironic for exactly the same reason you find blacklight's; the Coalition is on a tremendous power trip; the smallest battles bring praise, and the smallest of victories earn a parade. A tail of success at this level brings the universe to a standstill.
BoB is famous for being arrogant, but the Coalition is taking arrogance to a whole new level, and BoB decided that it would be best to stay out of the e-peen waggling. There really shouldn't be any particular wonder as to why
Ever seen them in 2004 untill their recent post shutdown ?
Course also coalition is guilty to it but so is BoB .
I think BoB (pre/now) is or has set teh standard ;) _____________
Im back !
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Malar
Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.30 09:53:00 -
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On the OP: I think that attacking the POS was a bad idea, and personally im happy im not part of the big inter-alliance lagparade anymore. (not playing helps in that :P)
Even if there was a titan, and if it was destroyed, the losses do not justify the gains. FFS BOB can build a titan every month or two if they want. They have the money to do it and they have the BPOs to do it. Destroying titan building POSes at the cost of enough dreads from which the coalition could have built a titan themselves is just.. pointless.
These kind of attacks (or more likely the plans of such attacks) can - and should - be used as diversion for other operations, but to commit 1000s of players to an attack where you know only half of your force would be able to participate - no.. im not talking about the GM set limit, im talking about the nodecrash limit of eVE - is unwise, and a terribly ineffective use of resources.
Not to mention, that POS warfare is what made me stop playing EVE in the firstplace, but thats a different issue. I think POSes are the worst thing - coupled with titans and motherships - that could have happened to EVE.
Originally by: Blacklight There's no wonder lots of us are boycotting these forums these days.
"OMG 5 BoB Dreads died" - mahoosive backslapping "OMG coalition lost a load of dreads" - dreads mean nothing we can replace them easily
It must be really painful for your EGO, that people talk about lesser BOB losses much more than they do about way bigger coalition losses, but thats just how things work in life.
Noone cares if our national soccer team loses yet again in a match against the world champs, as the world knows we suck at soccer. If we do win however, we are in the news all around the world. :)
Same goes for your achievments. You my friend got to the point, where you winning is no news or achievement anymore. In fact it is what people expect you to do. They will however point at you, and laugh if you lose even just once.
People want to see heroes, and more importantly they want to see heroes die. So enjoy being on top, with everything belonging to that. :P
Originally by: Blacklight
One could be excused for assuming that there is a -100 points of IQ penalty for posting on Eve-O given the utter stupidity of the comments on this forum.
Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.
Uhm. I guess it must be the same as with everything else BOB stops doing. It gets lame, eh? :P Just because people have a different point of view, or did not get up at 13:37 this morning does not mean they are intellectually hindered right? --------------------------------------------- *Comments in this post are mine and mine only* Rest in peace HUN. We will miss you. |
Maltere
Gallente Inversion Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.30 09:54:00 -
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Edited by: Maltere on 30/03/2007 09:50:39
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel There is already a post about it Here
The mods will lock your attention spam soon.
did anyone spot the hint of bitterness from the bobbite there?
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Morris Falter
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight There's no wonder lots of us are boycotting these forums these days.
"OMG 5 BoB Dreads died" - mahoosive backslapping "OMG coalition lost a load of dreads" - dreads mean nothing we can replace them easily
One could be excused for assuming that there is a -100 points of IQ penalty for posting on Eve-O given the utter stupidity of the comments on this forum.
Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.
/signed. (unbelievably)
Last night was a joke. All involved should be ashamed of themselves, myself included. There was no intelligence, no skill. Just a blob. The leaders of the coalition who are slapping themselves on the back for their uberness in organising this number of people are missing the point that its really very very easy to get a blob like this - zomg guys, autopilot to F-T!! Dreads cyno to this dude! Ok, shoot stuff! Right, get out, if you can!
I will not take part in any such operation again in the future.
You can point fingers about who or what "started" this trend in gameplay, but all we are left with is lag, lag, lag, lag, lag.
I was pretty bitter last night about this - have chilled out a bit more now, but point remains, there's better things to do with my time.
Lets see if there's still a game in here somewhere..
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Lyer
THE BLUE FLAG
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Malar On the OP: I think that attacking the POS was a bad idea, and personally im happy im not part of the big inter-alliance lagparade anymore. (not playing helps in that :P)
Even if there was a titan, and if it was destroyed, the losses do not justify the gains. FFS BOB can build a titan every month or two if they want. They have the money to do it and they have the BPOs to do it. Destroying titan building POSes at the cost of enough dreads from which the coalition could have built a titan themselves is just.. pointless.
These kind of attacks (or more likely the plans of such attacks) can - and should - be used as diversion for other operations, but to commit 1000s of players to an attack where you know only half of your force would be able to participate - no.. im not talking about the GM set limit, im talking about the nodecrash limit of eVE - is unwise, and a terribly ineffective use of resources.
Not to mention, that POS warfare is what made me stop playing EVE in the firstplace, but thats a different issue. I think POSes are the worst thing - coupled with titans and motherships - that could have happened to EVE.
Originally by: Blacklight There's no wonder lots of us are boycotting these forums these days.
"OMG 5 BoB Dreads died" - mahoosive backslapping "OMG coalition lost a load of dreads" - dreads mean nothing we can replace them easily
It must be really painful for your EGO, that people talk about lesser BOB losses much more than they do about way bigger coalition losses, but thats just how things work in life.
Noone cares if our national soccer team loses yet again in a match against the world champs, as the world knows we suck at soccer. If we do win however, we are in the news all around the world. :)
Same goes for your achievments. You my friend got to the point, where you winning is no news or achievement anymore. In fact it is what people expect you to do. They will however point at you, and laugh if you lose even just once.
People want to see heroes, and more importantly they want to see heroes die. So enjoy being on top, with everything belonging to that. :P
Originally by: Blacklight
One could be excused for assuming that there is a -100 points of IQ penalty for posting on Eve-O given the utter stupidity of the comments on this forum.
Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.
Uhm. I guess it must be the same as with everything else BOB stops doing. It gets lame, eh? :P Just because people have a different point of view, or did not get up at 13:37 this morning does not mean they are intellectually hindered right?
IMHO a damn good post, bang on the money
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Gidien Kane
Amarr OneHundredRed
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:15:00 -
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Edited by: Gidien Kane on 30/03/2007 10:13:33
To call this a win for the coalition is really stretching the bounds of imagination. If there was a titan on build it was a draw at best anything else it was a slaughter.
You divide those 200 dreads and 800 support into 4 groups and reinforce 4 separate systems and you really apply pressure on your enemy. This was a costly exercise in futility.
GK-
archive + The CCP Jobs Page has been updated, over 100 new positions are available! (some not taken by bob)
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DTee
The Huns Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:18:00 -
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Edited by: DTee on 30/03/2007 10:18:30 Excellent report, seemingly very unbiased. Thank you. Some of us were working our behinds off for RL stuff. As much as i really wanted to be part of last night, I couldn't be.
Welldone to both sides.Althought it seems like it was a lagfest.
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paracidic
Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:27:00 -
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Some of the things that were left out was the balls shown by RA in that (TAKE NOTE ANY FUTURE FIGHTERS OF RA) they equiped a cyno gen on a heavily tanked carrier and used it to open the jump portal. They knew for sure that the carrier was dead but it served its purpose. They are the pitbulls of the eve community and it will take a strongly lead group of players to defeat them and push them back into cashe.
Next point, A cap yard doesn't have to build just super capitals, It could just have just as easily been a dread or a carrier being built to act as a decoy. I am no one in this war but a willing participant but at least I have my eyes open.
As for the cap, there was prolly as many or close to as many colilation forces in that system as there were BoB and friends. ***********************************************
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Little Lucy
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kojirochan Why do these threads always have to go up in flames?
Coalition went to do a job which was completed, in no way was there any thought that we would come out of this battle with 0 losses. Obvisouly we would want numbers to a minimum...
its quite clear that theres NEVER going to be a time when large scale battles will be fought without much lag. I wasnt there but just reading corp + Alliance chat every had lag, some people never got to even load during the battle...
How could they possibly fail to kill the pos? POS in reinforced mode, or coming out of, attack it with a great number of dreads, ignore defenders, it's going to die NO MATTER WHAT. So tell me again how they could have possibly failed? There was no chance of failiure, and bob probably realised this, bob knew they were going to lose the shipyard and took out as many people as possible in the progress.
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Caer Dallben
Die Apokalyptischen Reiter Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:44:00 -
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A response to the pilot limit issue would be cool. *pokes ccp
Don't see any problem with it as long as both sides are warned ahead of time. (which would then turn into a race to get into the system but thats unavoidable)
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Jacko21
Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:45:00 -
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Great write up Great neutral post
A*
Jacko
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Xaarist
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:47:00 -
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for all of you complaining about lag and the (not yet 100% confirmed) cutoff at 700 people in local. where have you been with your complaints when we (LV) were locked out of our capital construction system jv1v and left totally unable to defend it? did any of you whine on the forums about it? i only saw several people chestbeating on how they killed our baby titan.
good luck to your petitions, we did not get a flies **** back from what we lost in the lagfests of the southeast. as long as the node does not crash you will get the standard response, if it really crashes (jv1v won't be forgotten) you get a response that CCP feel deeply sorry for your loss but the server state did not allow any other action.
if your fleet was kept from jumping in, this is sad. (it happened to us in 1v- when we tried to jump portal in, and at some other well documented occasions, so don't start complaining about it now when it hit you the first time) it is sad for CCP. now lag is impartial, and this time it may have been on the defenders side. don't show all that bitterness if you really achieved your one and only goal, celebrate it instead. and take a look into the mirror sometime before complaining about an issue which you have been quite happily dealing with in an earlier situation.
this is not intended to be a flamepost at all. i feel sorry for any strategy hindered by lag, even if it is our enemies. i would rather have had a lag free 1k vs 3k fight and lost it than this. nobody knows how it would be gone, lag hit our dreadfleet as well, maybe you would have lost way more capital ships, maybe the pos was safed if our carriers were able to boost it properly - nobody knows, and nobody should discuss about it in any way.
time to leave this game maybe, alliance es is what i play it for, and alliance warfare is not possible at the moment. i do not see a solution hit TQ soon, so i might just get the **** out of here, it is pretty pointless at the moment. ---------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is an alien dressed as Bunny to secretly gain world domination. ...if you don't know Happy Tree Friends, just imagine Teletubbies on LSD... |
Lucututerian
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.30 10:53:00 -
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fackt is, bob forces had all theyr ships in position, easy to defend.
hundrets of coalition ships cant do anything thank ccp, this kind of battles will come more and more, i hope they do something, otherwise the defending partie has allway¦s the better card¦s in an battle and this isnt fair i think. WAR IS ****, BUT THE SOUND IS COOL!! |
Numinos
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:03:00 -
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Edited by: Numinos on 30/03/2007 11:01:08
Quote: To prevent the system node from crashing, a CCP GM limited the number of ships that could be in F-TE1T to roughly 700.
The Coalition claims that this limit hindered about 60% of their attacking fleet from entering the system.
its no dream.. its fact, that we had a fleet of 200+ ships trying to use the jumpbridge into the system and were blocked. and another 300 goonfleet in the area.
we even have a fraps proving that the local count all over the time, never raised above 430. even through the massive logontrys and jumpqeues.
how funny.. that exactly our targetsystem was capped so our fleet was cut into half...yeah yeah funny thing
just wonder if we have the same luck, when we have to defend.
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putukas
Amarr Enterprise Estonia Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:05:00 -
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tbh it was stupid attack by coalition. Ofcourse there is lag in such big attack to one system. Like some aaa guy told it was "autopilot to f-t" for coalition. BoB did their job very well. And im 99% sure there was no baby titan in that POS. Dummy POS for getting Goons to react that what it was and it worked well. Coalition was so overraped with this im even a little sad for the coalition coz there are much nice people in it also.
Nice work BoB.
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Evelgrivion
Originally by: Dragutinovic
Originally by: Blacklight There's no wonder lots of us are boycotting these forums these days.
"OMG 5 BoB Dreads died" - mahoosive backslapping "OMG coalition lost a load of dreads" - dreads mean nothing we can replace them easily
One could be excused for assuming that there is a -100 points of IQ penalty for posting on Eve-O given the utter stupidity of the comments on this forum.
Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.
Sorry but thats very rich seeing the alliance youre in .
Not pointing at you personally but towards quite a lot of members of BoB .
The irony is in how I can find your own post ironic for exactly the same reason you find blacklight's; the Coalition is on a tremendous power trip; the smallest battles bring praise, and the smallest of victories earn a parade. A tail of success at this level brings the universe to a standstill.
BoB is famous for being arrogant, but the Coalition is taking arrogance to a whole new level, and BoB decided that it would be best to stay out of the e-peen waggling. There really shouldn't be any particular wonder as to why
No, the real irony is that you've just become another one of Blacklights examples.
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Buxaroo
Black Dwarf
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Storm Child Congrats to the coalition. Clearly BoB can no longer protect it's own assets in it's own back yard anymore . This situation was really unthinkable just a few months ago !
Well, it's kind of hard for anyone for that matter to keep out 200+ cap ships. But you need to remember that this sword has two edges....it cuts both ways and BoB usualy cuts WAY deeper than most I expect coalition "assets" to get whacked a lot now.
But be honest, how many systems does BoB have that have a lot of assets in them like F-T? Lots. You think the coalition will be able to do this every single time? You think the coalition can withstand 40+ cap losses per engagement?
Oh and to the guys who think that a titan BPO would be lost.....umm you do know that you can manufacture from a BPO that is in a NPC station or Outpost if the POS is in said system right?
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Angeles
Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:19:00 -
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good work guys
where is molle's report on this? i believe it should start with tick tock or something
tick f***ing tock bob
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Pariah Eutrophius
Gallente Thundercats
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Buxaroo You think the coalition will be able to do this every single time? You think the coalition can withstand 40+ cap losses per engagement?
YES, 40 dreads, all insured = bout 500mill loss per dread=20bill spread across 5 or so of the biggest alliances in game?
derrrrrr ______________________________________________ Morals are paintings on walls and scruples is money in Russia. aight! |
Electric Cucumber
Amarr Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Proxay
40~ dreads were lost, @ 2.2b a piece (Fittings included) with a 400m payback on average, that totals out to 1.6b per, and 65billion isk lost to the coalition.
Titan minerals, if bought, only total about 50billion, and if RKK was building a titan, that bpo would be in a station right now, they wouldn't have let it slip away.
^ Hypothetical.
36 dreads destroyed and 3 carriers.
and remember it's not 1 alliance called "The Coalition" that lost 39 capitals, it's 7 alliances, each with their industry and their isk
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wierchas noobhunter
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:35:00 -
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i was not online that night .. but looks ccp did great job gg
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Quillan Rage
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Pariah Eutrophius
Originally by: Buxaroo You think the coalition will be able to do this every single time? You think the coalition can withstand 40+ cap losses per engagement?
YES, 40 dreads, all insured = bout 500mill loss per dread=20bill spread across 5 or so of the biggest alliances in game?
derrrrrr
And this is the crux of it... the war will go on for ever given the wealth of the alliances involved
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Estel Arador
Minmatar AFK
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:40:00 -
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Thanks for the quick overview Victor Vision, I was waiting for one as I didn't want to read through a lot pages of whinage, accusations, and bragging only to try and find out the facts of what happened.
(Too bad this thread has been hijacked with the same crap posts as are present in the other thread.) =AFK=
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Rumata
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:40:00 -
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8 insured dreds in exchange of bob's titan ... I am happy thanks ccp for cool game
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Beyond Horizon
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Cucumber
Originally by: Proxay
40~ dreads were lost, @ 2.2b a piece (Fittings included) with a 400m payback on average, that totals out to 1.6b per, and 65billion isk lost to the coalition.
Titan minerals, if bought, only total about 50billion, and if RKK was building a titan, that bpo would be in a station right now, they wouldn't have let it slip away.
^ Hypothetical.
36 dreads destroyed and 3 carriers.
and remember it's not 1 alliance called "The Coalition" that lost 39 capitals, it's 7 alliances, each with their industry and their isk
So what? It's the BoB Coalition figthing against "The Coalition", next time there is such a battle the coalition will have 40 less dreads to field...
What will be next? "We didn't want those dreads anyway"? Getting sick of this hypocrisy... -
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Velios
Originally by: Blacklight Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.
Signed. Something bad has happened to EVE, the community is not what it used to be. Thats the main reason my corp is no longer involved in big alliance stuff as the grief and bad mouthing just ruins the game.
I agree with you, though I never really suffered or saw any griefing or bad mouthing in my eve career until ASCN was attacked by bob then I saw very little else, the personal attacks on people were just ridiculous and are a large part of the downward spiral in eve imo.
Their metagaming and borderline sploiting was the start of this whole WIN AT ALL COSTS attitude thats killing eve, alongside the ridiculous supercapitals that mean you have to blob to achieve anything and the ccp revelations.
Like most people I know in the game, eve has gone from being a near obsession to being something I just play for free whilst burning up isk on gtc and try to have some fun in as I wait for the next decent MMO to come along. .
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.03.30 11:48:00 -
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Meanwhile, in F-t...
Delictum 23216 Official forums |
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