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lles Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.30 11:49:00 - [91] This is so ****** up. CCP is must be the worst MMO producer on this planet. I dont care about the losses or the kills, it should have been a real great battle. New tactic arrives, put 600-700 friendly in a system and no one can take it over.... Honesty..CCP stop trying, cause you wont get this game to work ever... C&C ftw!
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.03.30 11:52:00 - [92] such battles will be lag free when ( everyone has quantum computers and .... youre looking at 10MB - 50MB internet connections with very low ping rates as well) few years off yet i think. Hats off for CCP at least keeping it running instead of a massive node crash that said the titan issue has brought this on youre urge to bring in the supercapitals and their lame industructible under normal gameplay circumstances all for some publicity has backfired, player number growth has stalled.
Xade Caldari K.T.P	Posted - 2007.03.30 11:54:00 - [93] Everyone complains about the lag but knew it would happen. This battle involved more players than any i have ever heard of in my 3yrs playing eve. My question is if we knew all these players would have been involved then surely anyone with half a brain would realise the lag was imminent. With regards to the 700 player limit in the system, CCP should never inform either side of such information because it would just be used against the opposing forces i.e. fill the system with 700 players before opposing forces even arrive. I personally was involved and lagged 2 jumps out from our destination system and there is where my evening ended. BoB did an amazing job even though they lost the pos and again have proven their ability at pvp is unrivaled in EVE. I would like to say one thing to the coalition forces though. Surely if you were better at playing the game you wouldn't need so many pilots in the first place ? One good thing about this game is in such situations, turning up with numbers is not beneficial to the battle therefore skill-less alliances such as goonswarm suffer because of their inabilities. I also keep reading about people saying they are not bothered about all the capital ship losses. You have to be joking right ? You kill 15 LV dreads and there is loads of posts about it but lose 57 capital ships and you don't care ? Well we will see how many turn up to the next similar battle then won't we. This might not be alot to an alliance in terms of losses but to a single pilot losing a dread is quite a big thing. i can't see the coalition attempting anything like this again any time soon and if they do, taking losses like that only reduces their ability at defending their own space when BoB comes to take it, let alone have any offensive ability Well done to all though for creating such a historic event look forward to maybe being involved in one again soon where i acyually get to shoot someone. Also a special well done to all the pro-BoB forces for showing the coalition how to kill a capital fleet and not making 100 posts about it.
Rumata Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.30 11:54:00 - [94] Originally by: Beyond Horizon Originally by: Electric Cucumber Originally by: Proxay 40~ dreads were lost, @ 2.2b a piece (Fittings included) with a 400m payback on average, that totals out to 1.6b per, and 65billion isk lost to the coalition. Titan minerals, if bought, only total about 50billion, and if RKK was building a titan, that bpo would be in a station right now, they wouldn't have let it slip away. ^ Hypothetical. 36 dreads destroyed and 3 carriers. and remember it's not 1 alliance called "The Coalition" that lost 39 capitals, it's 7 alliances, each with their industry and their isk So what? It's the BoB Coalition figthing against "The Coalition", next time there is such a battle the coalition will have 40 less dreads to field... What will be next? "We didn't want those dreads anyway"? Getting sick of this hypocrisy... So what? next time there is such a battle the coalition will have 40 new bought on market dreads fixed for ya
Crass Spektakel Amarr Coreward Technologies	Posted - 2007.03.30 11:54:00 - [95] Thats very typical BoD: Limiting the numbers of players inside the system to (all-bob-ship plus 50) so the outcome is pretty clear. And to make sure it is a surprise they don't inform anyone except Bob. Well, at least I expect a 100% reimbusement rate coz of Lag-Kill, otherwise I expect some more GMs cleaning their desk at CCP for not being neutral. Not. Crass Spektakel life is short and in most cases it ends with death but my tombstone will carry the hiscore
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.30 11:55:00 - [96] I just would like to add that the limit of 700 in a system really has to be checked again. Does this means that if we put 699 pilots flying shuttles and one guy flying a osprey you can sucessfully defend a pos coming out of reinforced mode against a force of capital ships ?
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.03.30 11:58:00 - [97] Originally by: Xade Everyone complains about the lag but knew it would happen. This battle involved more players than any i have ever heard of in my 3yrs playing eve. My question is if we knew all these players would have been involved then surely anyone with half a brain would realise the lag was imminent. With regards to the 700 player limit in the system, CCP should never inform either side of such information because it would just be used against the opposing forces i.e. fill the system with 700 players before opposing forces even arrive. I personally was involved and lagged 2 jumps out from our destination system and there is where my evening ended. BoB did an amazing job even though they lost the pos and again have proven their ability at pvp is unrivaled in EVE. I would like to say one thing to the coalition forces though. Surely if you were better at playing the game you wouldn't need so many pilots in the first place ? One good thing about this game is in such situations, turning up with numbers is not beneficial to the battle therefore skill-less alliances such as goonswarm suffer because of their inabilities. I also keep reading about people saying they are not bothered about all the capital ship losses. You have to be joking right ? You kill 15 LV dreads and there is loads of posts about it but lose 57 capital ships and you don't care ? Well we will see how many turn up to the next similar battle then won't we. This might not be alot to an alliance in terms of losses but to a single pilot losing a dread is quite a big thing. i can't see the coalition attempting anything like this again any time soon and if they do, taking losses like that only reduces their ability at defending their own space when BoB comes to take it, let alone have any offensive ability Well done to all though for creating such a historic event look forward to maybe being involved in one again soon where i acyually get to shoot someone. Also a special well done to all the pro-BoB forces for showing the coalition how to kill a capital fleet and not making 100 posts about it. colation would have enough dread + capital building capacity to replace any losses they lost 27 capital ships last week over the course of a few hours and this week turn up with another 60+ The standard bob fleet consists of about 100 odd. Remember tho that bob in number terms has less support industrial capacity than the other side. If these battles do continue ( remember RA popped 7 of em) if red alliance really rachet up the pressure along with the coalation. taking away the fact they want their ISK producing plexes only any further aggression seems limited. Then bob might loose a lot more, if RA stay quite the remaining forces are going to need some new friends.
Kelin Minmatar The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.30 12:01:00 - [98] all the ISK talking is bull****. its very simple: If there was a Titan in build the lose of 40 caps was worth it. If not.. well i hope there was one. Even if the loss/gain ratio ISK wise is 3:1 agains the Coalition.. a 3rd Titan for BoB would be such a HUGE advantage on the future battlefields .. maybe even an advantage wich can never again be reversed. If u ever fought against a Titan you know the omnipresent threat a single one Titan on the battlefield inflicts. Now imagine what 3 Titans can do. Was it worth ? for me yes.. Was it fun ? no not at all.. Will i be there again if my Alliance call ? FOR SURE. Should BoB post a statement? No.. if they say there was a baby titan. The eve comunity will point on BoB and say: ahahaha If they say there was nothing buildet .. or maybe "just" a dread or so, everyone(not bob+friends) will say BoB lies. So maybe BoB have the balls and gives the Coalition a clue if there was one or not with the plea not to pubish any intel.. not even to the coalition footfolk. At the end its just a game we all want to have fun with or not ?.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.30 12:10:00 - [99] Edited by: Fred0 on 30/03/2007 12:08:35 Well we went in with one goal. That no matter what that pos was going to go down. We achieved that goal. BOB's goal in this op seemed to have to keep the pos alive judging from how they set up carriers to continously remote rep it etc. Anyways, that's my take on it. If nothing else they now knows the tactic they deployed yesterday does not work against the cap blitz we used, atleast it doesn't work in the sense of saving the pos. Next time I'm sure they'll try something different or make a better job of it. Oh and the cheery on top here is that if we killed a RKK baby titan it was a 2 day job well executed to annihilate a long and pretty well documented struggle of theirs to get a titan of their own. :)
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.30 12:11:00 - [100] Originally by: Electric Cucumber Originally by: Proxay 40~ dreads were lost, @ 2.2b a piece (Fittings included) with a 400m payback on average, that totals out to 1.6b per, and 65billion isk lost to the coalition. Titan minerals, if bought, only total about 50billion, and if RKK was building a titan, that bpo would be in a station right now, they wouldn't have let it slip away. ^ Hypothetical. 36 dreads destroyed and 3 carriers. and remember it's not 1 alliance called "The Coalition" that lost 39 capitals, it's 7 alliances, each with their industry and their isk Actually, last count on bob killboard was 41 dreads and 3 carriers...so far. God I hope this is under 24kb It is :) Kreul Intentions

Neo Triton Amarr Unamed Mofos	Posted - 2007.03.30 12:11:00 - [101] can sum1 look at all the killboard of all invloved and get a big write up of wat was destroyed, caps, bs, support etc...for both sides!!! Nt
Stacy Valentine Gallente PPN United Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.30 12:14:00 - [102] Originally by: DeadDuck I just would like to add that the limit of 700 in a system really has to be checked again. Does this means that if we put 699 pilots flying shuttles and one guy flying a osprey you can sucessfully defend a pos coming out of reinforced mode against a force of capital ships ? nice idea. lets do that. i login my second account too.
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.03.30 12:14:00 - [103] Originally by: Rumata Originally by: Beyond Horizon Originally by: Electric Cucumber Originally by: Proxay 40~ dreads were lost, @ 2.2b a piece (Fittings included) with a 400m payback on average, that totals out to 1.6b per, and 65billion isk lost to the coalition. Titan minerals, if bought, only total about 50billion, and if RKK was building a titan, that bpo would be in a station right now, they wouldn't have let it slip away. ^ Hypothetical. 36 dreads destroyed and 3 carriers. and remember it's not 1 alliance called "The Coalition" that lost 39 capitals, it's 7 alliances, each with their industry and their isk So what? It's the BoB Coalition figthing against "The Coalition", next time there is such a battle the coalition will have 40 less dreads to field... What will be next? "We didn't want those dreads anyway"? Getting sick of this hypocrisy... So what? next time there is such a battle the coalition will have 40 new bought on market dreads fixed for ya It was a single battle, there will be dozens of such battles ahead, think the market won't handle your demand in the future :D -
Asylum Seaker Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.03.30 12:15:00 - [104] Originally by: Neo Triton can sum1 look at all the killboard of all invloved and get a big write up of wat was destroyed, caps, bs, support etc...for both sides!!! Nt Well you seem pretty enthused, I volunteer you for the job! Memento Mori.
Karina Harington Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.30 12:15:00 - [105] Originally by: Beyond Horizon So what? It's the BoB Coalition figthing against "The Coalition", next time there is such a battle the coalition will have 40 less dreads to field... And hopefully BoB won't be fielding another titan. Don't lose sight of why that POS was attacked. Whether or not there actually was a titan being built, the coalition decided the risk was worth taking.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.30 12:16:00 - [106] Originally by: Proxay Actually, last count on bob killboard was 41 dreads and 3 carriers...so far. There'll be many more. 2/3 (120ish) of our cap people never loaded in the system but are likely to be killed when they log on tonight or so to get out.
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.03.30 12:17:00 - [107] Originally by: Karina Harington Originally by: Beyond Horizon So what? It's the BoB Coalition figthing against "The Coalition", next time there is such a battle the coalition will have 40 less dreads to field... And hopefully BoB won't be fielding another titan. Don't lose sight of why that POS was attacked. Whether or not there actually was a titan being built, the coalition decided the risk was worth taking. I'm just against hypocrisy, on any of the sides, that's it. -
Ya Wha Minmatar	Posted - 2007.03.30 12:20:00 - [108] Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Like most people I know in the game, eve has gone from being a near obsession to being something I just play for free whilst burning up isk on gtc and try to have some fun in as I wait for the next decent MMO to come along. . QFT.I refuse to spend my hard earned cash on this so called 'game'.From now on it's GTC's only for me.
Al Simmons The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.03.30 12:24:00 - [109] Good OP. Bad forum trolls. I used to be part of the north-napfest and i didnt think the pilots there where all to bad, but having read the posts they post it makes me wonder.... what will happen if bob loses and the coalition wins, who will take the south? what will the coalition do turn on itself? i'm less thinking about now more wondering about the future. i have respect for the OP for having a non bias opinion very rare these days. although i'm not unbiased my views are that im gonna stop reading the reply's as 65% are B.S and not worth the time to find the 35% good posts. This is not the views of my corp, my alliance or anyone but myself. do not bother replying to my post as i wont read your reply's
Ewa Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.30 12:25:00 - [110] Originally by: Beyond Horizon Originally by: Electric Cucumber Originally by: Proxay 40~ dreads were lost, @ 2.2b a piece (Fittings included) with a 400m payback on average, that totals out to 1.6b per, and 65billion isk lost to the coalition. Titan minerals, if bought, only total about 50billion, and if RKK was building a titan, that bpo would be in a station right now, they wouldn't have let it slip away. ^ Hypothetical. 36 dreads destroyed and 3 carriers. and remember it's not 1 alliance called "The Coalition" that lost 39 capitals, it's 7 alliances, each with their industry and their isk So what? It's the BoB Coalition figthing against "The Coalition", next time there is such a battle the coalition will have 40 less dreads to field... What will be next? "We didn't want those dreads anyway"? Getting sick of this hypocrisy... Why are you bitter, BoB didn't loose a titan anyway, right?

Tomic Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.03.30 12:26:00 - [111] Originally by: Beyond Horizon So what? It's the BoB Coalition figthing against "The Coalition", next time there is such a battle the coalition will have 40 less dreads to field... Don't underestimate the coalition's ability to replace their losses. I think it speaks volumes about their desire to see the end of BOB and their strength that they proceeded knowing full well they would get slaughtered in the process. Another BOB titan on the battlefield would not make our job any easier :)
Astro Fizzicks	Posted - 2007.03.30 12:27:00 - [112] Congratulations on a job well done. Two things i want to add: 1) It did suck quite a lot that I couldn't even get anywhere near the target system and spent several hours flying around querious / delve stuck in various jump queues and lagged gates. Maybe ccp can't organise the game to be able to handle a situation like this, I don't know but I'm not going to insult them. 2) The post from Blacklight about the deterioration of the community and the various agreements from LV and 'others' is quite simply laughable. Feelings run quite high when it comes to BOB. Some of your 'history' has led ppl to see you as more than merely an opponent in an online game. Are you really that surprised that ppl are so filled with emotion that they flame / insult etc.. Look at what your alliance has done to players, both within and without the rules: All that lying (won't go into detail but can expand upon if required) and 'possible' cheating, not to mention the arrogance everyone knows you feel because of your military victories and used to d*****brazenly all over the forums. Is it really any wonder at the backlash??
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.30 12:29:00 - [113] Originally by: Ewa Quillam Why are you bitter, BoB didn't loose a titan anyway, right? Doesn't anyone else find it slightly amiss that the whole coalitions offensive was based off a rumour, which could've well been for a double agent spy? Anyone at all? God I hope this is under 24kb It is :) Kreul Intentions
CRUSH3R Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.30 12:32:00 - [114] Originally by: Proxay Originally by: Ewa Quillam Why are you bitter, BoB didn't loose a titan anyway, right? Doesn't anyone else find it slightly amiss that the whole coalitions offensive was based off a rumour, which could've well been for a double agent spy? Anyone at all? What's the difference? It doesn't mater what was being built there, we were to kill POS, bringing the fleets of 7 alliances togeher. And we did it.
Atreus Minmatarius Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.30 12:34:00 - [115] Originally by: Proxay Originally by: Ewa Quillam Why are you bitter, BoB didn't loose a titan anyway, right? Doesn't anyone else find it slightly amiss that the whole coalitions offensive was based off a rumour, which could've well been for a double agent spy? Anyone at all? pfft a "rumor" is an overstatement... it was more of a hunch. I remember somebody was like "Hey, BoB pos here". Everyone else was like "pffft lets WTFBBQ it" thats how determened we are! what i say is my own opinion and does not represent any entity other than myself
Tomic Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.03.30 12:35:00 - [116] Originally by: CRUSH3R What's the difference? It doesn't mater what was being built there, we were to kill POS, bringing the fleets of 7 alliances togeher. And we did it. I have to agree, I think this shows a large step forward in the war. There have been a few minor setbacks, but now it seems the war is in full swing.
Susan Acid Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.30 12:36:00 - [117] snip Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. -Valorem([email protected])
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.03.30 12:36:00 - [118] Many gonna flame me for this... but what Blacklight said =/ -
Ewa Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.30 12:38:00 - [119] Originally by: Proxay Originally by: Ewa Quillam Why are you bitter, BoB didn't loose a titan anyway, right? Doesn't anyone else find it slightly amiss that the whole coalitions offensive was based off a rumour, which could've well been for a double agent spy? Anyone at all? Doesn't anyone find it strange that up to date, there is no official BoB statement on this? No, they don't care... hell they don't, they must be crushing their teeth over this, but they still continue to play their mind game. Btw, everyone has information and facts. I believe it, many of us believe it, but you wish we didn't so our morale drops. Oh, still waiting for the Molle post.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.30 12:41:00 - [120] Originally by: Proxay Doesn't anyone else find it slightly amiss that the whole coalitions offensive was based off a rumour, which could've well been for a double agent spy? You have no idea what our intel was and you are not ever likely to find out because we try and protect our friends as good as we can.



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