Originally by: Eloryan Persago, Goonfleet

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I welcome you to the coalition of people with user access to EvE

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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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There is already a post about it Here

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Originally by: Victor Vision

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Edited by: Victor Vision on 30/03/2007 06:51:02
Wether the RKK cap-shipyards did indeed hold a fetus Titan might never be known for sure.

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Originally by: Clavius Der

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I dont understand why are these big things (titans, heavy armed poses) in game if they are destroyable with metagaming only

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Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn

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Originally by: Victor Vision

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Edited by: Victor Vision on 30/03/2007 06:51:02
Wether the RKK cap-shipyards did indeed hold a fetus Titan might never be known for sure.

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Does the POS killmail hold some information about this ?

A few rumour that hit my ear between the "POS is Down" news and 22h00 Eve Time (remember, it's rumours) :
- OrangeSpecies 's Titan was down shortly after the POS (half an hour after)
- 2 Bob motherships are down

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Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn

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Originally by: Victor Vision

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Edited by: Victor Vision on 30/03/2007 06:51:02
Wether the RKK cap-shipyards did indeed hold a fetus Titan might never be known for sure.

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Does the POS killmail hold some information about this ?

A few rumour that hit my ear between the "POS is Down" news and 22h00 Eve Time (remember, it's rumours) :
- OrangeSpecies 's Titan was down shortly after the POS (half an hour after)
- 2 Bob motherships are down

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Originally by: Izzy Pol

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POS's dont generate killmails.

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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba

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One interesting question: what happened to the Leviathan BPO ? Was it destroyed with the POS - or if not, who got it ? For the records: we are talking here about a bpo worth ~64 billion isk.

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Originally by: Reservoir Dog

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Originally by: Izzy Pol

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POS's dont generate killmails.

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POSes generate killmails. But only directors of corp owning the POS are receiving them.

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Originally by: Heptameron

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Nice work to those that made it all the way to the target system...

Unfortunately at least 250 support would not have made it due to node issues, lag whatever.

As for the target system cap.... well that's just so seriously messed up it beggars belief. Wish someone would have told us beforehand I wouldn't have wasted 4 hours of my life trying to get there.

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Originally by: branodn lee

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well this is just another case gm or dev helping bob agin. they should of limited the number of people in the system with bob already in it. thats just bull crap. you limit the system to 600-700 people after bob is already in the system. thats crap. way to go ccp another way to help bob out yet agin. next time just limit it to 300 or what ever bob has in there.

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Originally by: Gama24

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So, the Coalition achieved their objective, even though it was a pyrrhic victory, and BOB couldn't stop them. Though a few more battles like that and BOB won't need to go up north.

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Originally by: padshiiangel

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~40+ cap ships coalition was destroyed nice work BoB well done

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Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar

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Neither side had very much in the way of support in that system anyways apart from a handful of bob (which i dont think made much of a difference to the outcome). The other support fleets were involved in engagements outside of the system, which was bad enough. I had 180 goons/pure jump into me and didn't see one of them.

Can understand your fustration though, but try not to break the tin foil hats out over this, things would of been far worse / unplayable had the system had over 1000 in there.

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Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam

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Limiting a system to 700 and giving strategic advantage to BoB again is pitiful. Was it done on purpose? I don't know, it's besides the point. Keeping all the systems around literally unplayable is even more pitifull.

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Originally by: StarshipTrooper

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Read and weep. Limiting the amount of ppl in a system to 700 has a nice blog about it.

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Originally by: The blog you failed to read

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current issues & the inbox monster
reported by Oveur | 2006.08.30 20:07:26

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Originally by: WRWR

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Originally by: padshiiangel

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~40+ cap ships coalition was destroyed nice work BoB well done

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yep, dont forget bob pet, titan in buildind was destryoed too

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Originally by: Vensa Heckler

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if you're gonna whine about the limiting, then think about what the alternative is.
local hits 600 people immense amounts of lag and problems with de-synced clients.
local hits 700, 800, 900, 1000+ node dies either then or during that increase, the rest of the evening is spent sitting on your log in screens, and not just the people who crashed and tried ot get back in, pretty much everybody in system, and maybe even the surrounding systems if some of them shared nodes.

at this point i dont know what would happen, whether coalition caps would still be sitting at the POS dying or if they would have been frozen when the node crashed, maybe the POS wouldn't even have died at all that evening if some bob people on logistics had been able (lucky enough) to get on.
either way, no one would have been able to do very much constuctive, and if they had, it would have been as false a victory as jv1v.

just because you couldn't blob and kill the node, doesn't mean you didn't get the job done. it just means your leaders and capship pilots are more dedicated and skillful than you think.

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Originally by: StarshipTrooper

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Do u by any chance have ANY visual proof of a titan being built at that POS that was destroyed ??

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Originally by: Xori Ruscuv

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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 30/03/2007 08:42:00

Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam

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Limiting a system to 700 and giving strategic advantage to BoB again is pitiful. Was it done on purpose? I don't know, it's besides the point. Keeping all the systems around literally unplayable is even more pitifull.

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The only truly pitiful thing here is your inability to read blogs that are 6+ months old.

Originally by: StarshipTrooper

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Read and weep. Limiting the amount of ppl in a system to 700 has a nice blog about it.

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He even posted the link for you.

Originally by: The blog you failed to read

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current issues & the inbox monster
reported by Oveur | 2006.08.30 20:07:26

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Nice DATE, eh?

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Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam

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Keeping all the systems around literally unplayable is even more pitiful.

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Originally by: Blacklight

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There's no wonder lots of us are boycotting these forums these days.

"OMG 5 BoB Dreads died" - mahoosive backslapping
"OMG coalition lost a load of dreads" - dreads mean nothing we can replace them easily

One could be excused for assuming that there is a -100 points of IQ penalty for posting on Eve-O given the utter stupidity of the comments on this forum.

Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.

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Originally by: Blacklight

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There's no wonder lots of us are boycotting these forums these days.

"OMG 5 BoB Dreads died" - mahoosive backslapping
"OMG coalition lost a load of dreads" - dreads mean nothing we can replace them easily

One could be excused for assuming that there is a -100 points of IQ penalty for posting on Eve-O given the utter stupidity of the comments on this forum.

Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.

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Originally by: LordInvisible

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according to BoBs KB, 38 dreads were destroyed and none lost.

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.

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Originally by: Blacklight

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There's no wonder lots of us are boycotting these forums these days.

"OMG 5 BoB Dreads died" - mahoosive backslapping
"OMG coalition lost a load of dreads" - dreads mean nothing we can replace them easily

One could be excused for assuming that there is a -100 points of IQ penalty for posting on Eve-O given the utter stupidity of the comments on this forum.

Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.

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Originally by: Dragutinovic

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Originally by: Blacklight

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There's no wonder lots of us are boycotting these forums these days.

"OMG 5 BoB Dreads died" - mahoosive backslapping
"OMG coalition lost a load of dreads" - dreads mean nothing we can replace them easily

One could be excused for assuming that there is a -100 points of IQ penalty for posting on Eve-O given the utter stupidity of the comments on this forum.

Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.

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Sorry but thats very rich seeing the alliance youre in .

Not pointing at you personally but towards quite a lot of members of BoB .

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Originally by: Evelgrivion

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Originally by: Dragutinovic

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Originally by: Blacklight

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There's no wonder lots of us are boycotting these forums these days.

"OMG 5 BoB Dreads died" - mahoosive backslapping
"OMG coalition lost a load of dreads" - dreads mean nothing we can replace them easily

One could be excused for assuming that there is a -100 points of IQ penalty for posting on Eve-O given the utter stupidity of the comments on this forum.

Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.

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Sorry but thats very rich seeing the alliance youre in .

Not pointing at you personally but towards quite a lot of members of BoB .

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The irony is in how I can find your own post ironic for exactly the same reason you find blacklight's; the Coalition is on a tremendous power trip; the smallest battles bring praise, and the smallest of victories earn a parade. A tail of success at this level brings the universe to a standstill.

BoB is famous for being arrogant, but the Coalition is taking arrogance to a whole new level, and BoB decided that it would be best to stay out of the e-peen waggling. There really shouldn't be any particular wonder as to why

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Originally by: Blacklight

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There's no wonder lots of us are boycotting these forums these days.

"OMG 5 BoB Dreads died" - mahoosive backslapping
"OMG coalition lost a load of dreads" - dreads mean nothing we can replace them easily

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Originally by: Blacklight

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One could be excused for assuming that there is a -100 points of IQ penalty for posting on Eve-O given the utter stupidity of the comments on this forum.

Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.

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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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There is already a post about it Here

The mods will lock your attention spam soon.

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Originally by: Blacklight

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There's no wonder lots of us are boycotting these forums these days.

"OMG 5 BoB Dreads died" - mahoosive backslapping
"OMG coalition lost a load of dreads" - dreads mean nothing we can replace them easily

One could be excused for assuming that there is a -100 points of IQ penalty for posting on Eve-O given the utter stupidity of the comments on this forum.

Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.

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Originally by: Malar

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On the OP:
I think that attacking the POS was a bad idea, and personally im happy im not part of the big inter-alliance lagparade anymore. (not playing helps in that :P)

Even if there was a titan, and if it was destroyed, the losses do not justify the gains. FFS BOB can build a titan every month or two if they want. They have the money to do it and they have the BPOs to do it. Destroying titan building POSes at the cost of enough dreads from which the coalition could have built a titan themselves is just.. pointless.

These kind of attacks (or more likely the plans of such attacks) can - and should - be used as diversion for other operations, but to commit 1000s of players to an attack where you know only half of your force would be able to participate - no.. im not talking about the GM set limit, im talking about the nodecrash limit of eVE - is unwise, and a terribly ineffective use of resources.

Not to mention, that POS warfare is what made me stop playing EVE in the firstplace, but thats a different issue. I think POSes are the worst thing - coupled with titans and motherships - that could have happened to EVE.

Originally by: Blacklight

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There's no wonder lots of us are boycotting these forums these days.

"OMG 5 BoB Dreads died" - mahoosive backslapping
"OMG coalition lost a load of dreads" - dreads mean nothing we can replace them easily

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It must be really painful for your EGO, that people talk about lesser BOB losses much more than they do about way bigger coalition losses, but thats just how things work in life.

Noone cares if our national soccer team loses yet again in a match against the world champs, as the world knows we suck at soccer. If we do win however, we are in the news all around the world. :)

Same goes for your achievments. You my friend got to the point, where you winning is no news or achievement anymore. In fact it is what people expect you to do. They will however point at you, and laugh if you lose even just once.

People want to see heroes, and more importantly they want to see heroes die. So enjoy being on top, with everything belonging to that. :P

Originally by: Blacklight

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One could be excused for assuming that there is a -100 points of IQ penalty for posting on Eve-O given the utter stupidity of the comments on this forum.

Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.

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Uhm. I guess it must be the same as with everything else BOB stops doing. It gets lame, eh? :P Just because people have a different point of view, or did not get up at 13:37 this morning does not mean they are intellectually hindered right?

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Originally by: Kojirochan

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Why do these threads always have to go up in flames?

Coalition went to do a job which was completed, in no way was there any thought that we would come out of this battle with 0 losses. Obvisouly we would want numbers to a minimum...

its quite clear that theres NEVER going to be a time when large scale battles will be fought without much lag. I wasnt there but just reading corp + Alliance chat every had lag, some people never got to even load during the battle...

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To prevent the system node from crashing, a CCP GM limited the number of ships that could be in F-TE1T to roughly 700.

The Coalition claims that this limit hindered about 60% of their attacking fleet from entering the system.

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Originally by: Evelgrivion

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Originally by: Dragutinovic

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Originally by: Blacklight

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There's no wonder lots of us are boycotting these forums these days.

"OMG 5 BoB Dreads died" - mahoosive backslapping
"OMG coalition lost a load of dreads" - dreads mean nothing we can replace them easily

One could be excused for assuming that there is a -100 points of IQ penalty for posting on Eve-O given the utter stupidity of the comments on this forum.

Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.

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Sorry but thats very rich seeing the alliance youre in .

Not pointing at you personally but towards quite a lot of members of BoB .

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The irony is in how I can find your own post ironic for exactly the same reason you find blacklight's; the Coalition is on a tremendous power trip; the smallest battles bring praise, and the smallest of victories earn a parade. A tail of success at this level brings the universe to a standstill.

BoB is famous for being arrogant, but the Coalition is taking arrogance to a whole new level, and BoB decided that it would be best to stay out of the e-peen waggling. There really shouldn't be any particular wonder as to why

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Originally by: Storm Child

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Congrats to the coalition. Clearly BoB can no longer protect it's own assets in it's own back yard anymore . This situation was really unthinkable just a few months ago !

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Originally by: Buxaroo

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You think the coalition will be able to do this every single time? You think the coalition can withstand 40+ cap losses per engagement?

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Originally by: Proxay

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40~ dreads were lost, @ 2.2b a piece (Fittings included) with a 400m payback on average, that totals out to 1.6b per, and 65billion isk lost to the coalition.

Titan minerals, if bought, only total about 50billion, and if RKK was building a titan, that bpo would be in a station right now, they wouldn't have let it slip away.

^ Hypothetical.

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Originally by: Pariah Eutrophius

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Originally by: Buxaroo

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You think the coalition will be able to do this every single time? You think the coalition can withstand 40+ cap losses per engagement?

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YES, 40 dreads, all insured = bout 500mill loss per dread=20bill spread across 5 or so of the biggest alliances in game?


derrrrrr

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Originally by: Electric Cucumber

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Originally by: Proxay

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40~ dreads were lost, @ 2.2b a piece (Fittings included) with a 400m payback on average, that totals out to 1.6b per, and 65billion isk lost to the coalition.

Titan minerals, if bought, only total about 50billion, and if RKK was building a titan, that bpo would be in a station right now, they wouldn't have let it slip away.

^ Hypothetical.

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36 dreads destroyed and 3 carriers.

and remember it's not 1 alliance called "The Coalition" that lost 39 capitals, it's 7 alliances, each with their industry and their isk

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Originally by: Velios

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.

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Signed. Something bad has happened to EVE, the community is not what it used to be. Thats the main reason my corp is no longer involved in big alliance stuff as the grief and bad mouthing just ruins the game.

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Originally by: Beyond Horizon

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Originally by: Electric Cucumber

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Originally by: Proxay

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40~ dreads were lost, @ 2.2b a piece (Fittings included) with a 400m payback on average, that totals out to 1.6b per, and 65billion isk lost to the coalition.

Titan minerals, if bought, only total about 50billion, and if RKK was building a titan, that bpo would be in a station right now, they wouldn't have let it slip away.

^ Hypothetical.

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36 dreads destroyed and 3 carriers.

and remember it's not 1 alliance called "The Coalition" that lost 39 capitals, it's 7 alliances, each with their industry and their isk

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So what? It's the BoB Coalition figthing against "The Coalition", next time there is such a battle the coalition will have 40 less dreads to field...

What will be next? "We didn't want those dreads anyway"? Getting sick of this hypocrisy...

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Originally by: Xade

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Everyone complains about the lag but knew it would happen. This battle involved more players than any i have ever heard of in my 3yrs playing eve. My question is if we knew all these players would have been involved then surely anyone with half a brain would realise the lag was imminent.

With regards to the 700 player limit in the system, CCP should never inform either side of such information because it would just be used against the opposing forces i.e. fill the system with 700 players before opposing forces even arrive.

I personally was involved and lagged 2 jumps out from our destination system and there is where my evening ended.

BoB did an amazing job even though they lost the pos and again have proven their ability at pvp is unrivaled in EVE.

I would like to say one thing to the coalition forces though. Surely if you were better at playing the game you wouldn't need so many pilots in the first place ? One good thing about this game is in such situations, turning up with numbers is not beneficial to the battle therefore skill-less alliances such as goonswarm suffer because of their inabilities.

I also keep reading about people saying they are not bothered about all the capital ship losses. You have to be joking right ? You kill 15 LV dreads and there is loads of posts about it but lose 57 capital ships and you don't care ? Well we will see how many turn up to the next similar battle then won't we. This might not be alot to an alliance in terms of losses but to a single pilot losing a dread is quite a big thing. i can't see the coalition attempting anything like this again any time soon and if they do, taking losses like that only reduces their ability at defending their own space when BoB comes to take it, let alone have any offensive ability

Well done to all though for creating such a historic event look forward to maybe being involved in one again soon where i acyually get to shoot someone. Also a special well done to all the pro-BoB forces for showing the coalition how to kill a capital fleet and not making 100 posts about it.

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Originally by: Electric Cucumber

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Originally by: Proxay

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40~ dreads were lost, @ 2.2b a piece (Fittings included) with a 400m payback on average, that totals out to 1.6b per, and 65billion isk lost to the coalition.

Titan minerals, if bought, only total about 50billion, and if RKK was building a titan, that bpo would be in a station right now, they wouldn't have let it slip away.

^ Hypothetical.

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36 dreads destroyed and 3 carriers.

and remember it's not 1 alliance called "The Coalition" that lost 39 capitals, it's 7 alliances, each with their industry and their isk

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Originally by: DeadDuck

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I just would like to add that the limit of 700 in a system really has to be checked again.

Does this means that if we put 699 pilots flying shuttles and one guy flying a osprey you can sucessfully defend a pos coming out of reinforced mode against a force of capital ships ?

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Originally by: Rumata

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Originally by: Beyond Horizon

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Originally by: Electric Cucumber

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Originally by: Proxay

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40~ dreads were lost, @ 2.2b a piece (Fittings included) with a 400m payback on average, that totals out to 1.6b per, and 65billion isk lost to the coalition.

Titan minerals, if bought, only total about 50billion, and if RKK was building a titan, that bpo would be in a station right now, they wouldn't have let it slip away.

^ Hypothetical.

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36 dreads destroyed and 3 carriers.

and remember it's not 1 alliance called "The Coalition" that lost 39 capitals, it's 7 alliances, each with their industry and their isk

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So what? It's the BoB Coalition figthing against "The Coalition", next time there is such a battle the coalition will have 40 less dreads to field...

What will be next? "We didn't want those dreads anyway"? Getting sick of this hypocrisy...

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So what? next time there is such a battle the coalition will have 40 new bought on market dreads

fixed for ya

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Originally by: Neo Triton

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can sum1 look at all the killboard of all invloved and get a big write up of wat was destroyed, caps, bs, support etc...for both sides!!!

Nt

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Originally by: Beyond Horizon

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So what? It's the BoB Coalition figthing against "The Coalition", next time there is such a battle the coalition will have 40 less dreads to field...

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Originally by: Proxay

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Actually, last count on bob killboard was 41 dreads and 3 carriers...so far.

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Originally by: Karina Harington

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Originally by: Beyond Horizon

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So what? It's the BoB Coalition figthing against "The Coalition", next time there is such a battle the coalition will have 40 less dreads to field...

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And hopefully BoB won't be fielding another titan. Don't lose sight of why that POS was attacked. Whether or not there actually was a titan being built, the coalition decided the risk was worth taking.

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Originally by: Fitz Chivalry

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Like most people I know in the game, eve has gone from being a near obsession to being something I just play for free whilst burning up isk on gtc and try to have some fun in as I wait for the next decent MMO to come along.
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Originally by: Beyond Horizon

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Originally by: Electric Cucumber

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Originally by: Proxay

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40~ dreads were lost, @ 2.2b a piece (Fittings included) with a 400m payback on average, that totals out to 1.6b per, and 65billion isk lost to the coalition.

Titan minerals, if bought, only total about 50billion, and if RKK was building a titan, that bpo would be in a station right now, they wouldn't have let it slip away.

^ Hypothetical.

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36 dreads destroyed and 3 carriers.

and remember it's not 1 alliance called "The Coalition" that lost 39 capitals, it's 7 alliances, each with their industry and their isk

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So what? It's the BoB Coalition figthing against "The Coalition", next time there is such a battle the coalition will have 40 less dreads to field...

What will be next? "We didn't want those dreads anyway"? Getting sick of this hypocrisy...

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Originally by: Beyond Horizon

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So what? It's the BoB Coalition figthing against "The Coalition", next time there is such a battle the coalition will have 40 less dreads to field...

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Originally by: Ewa Quillam

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Why are you bitter, BoB didn't loose a titan anyway, right?

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Originally by: Proxay

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Originally by: Ewa Quillam

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Why are you bitter, BoB didn't loose a titan anyway, right?

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Doesn't anyone else find it slightly amiss that the whole coalitions offensive was based off a rumour, which could've well been for a double agent spy?

Anyone at all?

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Originally by: Proxay

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Originally by: Ewa Quillam

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Why are you bitter, BoB didn't loose a titan anyway, right?

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Doesn't anyone else find it slightly amiss that the whole coalitions offensive was based off a rumour, which could've well been for a double agent spy?

Anyone at all?

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Originally by: CRUSH3R

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What's the difference? It doesn't mater what was being built there, we were to kill POS, bringing the fleets of 7 alliances togeher. And we did it.

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Originally by: Proxay

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Originally by: Ewa Quillam

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Why are you bitter, BoB didn't loose a titan anyway, right?

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Doesn't anyone else find it slightly amiss that the whole coalitions offensive was based off a rumour, which could've well been for a double agent spy?

Anyone at all?

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Originally by: Proxay

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Doesn't anyone else find it slightly amiss that the whole coalitions offensive was based off a rumour, which could've well been for a double agent spy?

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Originally by: Ewa Quillam

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Originally by: Proxay

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Originally by: Ewa Quillam

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Why are you bitter, BoB didn't loose a titan anyway, right?

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Doesn't anyone else find it slightly amiss that the whole coalitions offensive was based off a rumour, which could've well been for a double agent spy?

Anyone at all?

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Doesn't anyone find it strange that up to date, there is no official BoB statement on this? No, they don't care... hell they don't, they must be crushing their teeth over this, but they still continue to play their mind game.

Btw, everyone has information and facts. I believe it, many of us believe it, but you wish we didn't so our morale drops.

Oh, still waiting for the Molle post.

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You have no idea what our intel was and you are not ever likely to find out because we try and protect our friends as good as we can.

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Originally by: Ewa Quillam

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Originally by: Proxay

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Originally by: Ewa Quillam

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Why are you bitter, BoB didn't loose a titan anyway, right?

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Doesn't anyone else find it slightly amiss that the whole coalitions offensive was based off a rumour, which could've well been for a double agent spy?

Anyone at all?

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Doesn't anyone find it strange that up to date, there is no official BoB statement on this? No, they don't care... hell they don't, they must be crushing their teeth over this, but they still continue to play their mind game.

Btw, everyone has information and facts. I believe it, many of us believe it, but you wish we didn't so our morale drops.

Oh, still waiting for the Molle post.

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Originally by: Vensa Heckler

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if you're gonna whine about the limiting, then think about what the alternative is.
local hits 600 people immense amounts of lag and problems with de-synced clients.
local hits 700, 800, 900, 1000+ node dies either then or during that increase, the rest of the evening is spent sitting on your log in screens, and not just the people who crashed and tried ot get back in, pretty much everybody in system, and maybe even the surrounding systems if some of them shared nodes.

at this point i dont know what would happen, whether coalition caps would still be sitting at the POS dying or if they would have been frozen when the node crashed, maybe the POS wouldn't even have died at all that evening if some bob people on logistics had been able (lucky enough) to get on.
either way, no one would have been able to do very much constuctive, and if they had, it would have been as false a victory as jv1v.

just because you couldn't blob and kill the node, doesn't mean you didn't get the job done. it just means your leaders and capship pilots are more dedicated and skillful than you think.

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Originally by: Proxay

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Edited by: Proxay on 30/03/2007 12:40:35

Originally by: Ewa Quillam

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Originally by: Proxay

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Originally by: Ewa Quillam

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Why are you bitter, BoB didn't loose a titan anyway, right?

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Doesn't anyone else find it slightly amiss that the whole coalitions offensive was based off a rumour, which could've well been for a double agent spy?

Anyone at all?

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Doesn't anyone find it strange that up to date, there is no official BoB statement on this? No, they don't care... hell they don't, they must be crushing their teeth over this, but they still continue to play their mind game.

Btw, everyone has information and facts. I believe it, many of us believe it, but you wish we didn't so our morale drops.

Oh, still waiting for the Molle post.

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I and you are real people, i couldn't care less if your moral spikes or drops, fact is, tomorrow, i'll be out in a ship attempting to blow as many coalition members up as i can, simply because i stand against the principals of Goonswarm, the napfest of the north and the fact that bob have yet to go back on their word for xelas, or any other friendly entity.

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You have no idea what our intel was and you are not ever likely to find out because we try and protect our friends as good as we can.

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And i highly doubt bob will say what that pos was doing, so that's another unknown.

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Originally by: Proxay

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I and you are real people, i couldn't care less if your moral spikes or drops, fact is, tomorrow, i'll be out in a ship attempting to blow as many coalition members up as i can, simply because i stand against the principals of Goonswarm, the napfest of the north and the fact that bob have yet to go back on their word for xelas, or any other friendly entity.

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Originally by: Ewa Quillam

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Originally by: Proxay

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I and you are real people, i couldn't care less if your moral spikes or drops, fact is, tomorrow, i'll be out in a ship attempting to blow as many coalition members up as i can, simply because i stand against the principals of Goonswarm, the napfest of the north and the fact that bob have yet to go back on their word for xelas, or any other friendly entity.

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In exchange, I care and that's why I post. If you don't care, you shouldn't be here, you shouldn't be bitter and you should be joyful elsewhere for the latest BoB achievement.

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Originally by: Blacklight

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There's no wonder lots of us are boycotting these forums these days.

"OMG 5 BoB Dreads died" - mahoosive backslapping
"OMG coalition lost a load of dreads" - dreads mean nothing we can replace them easily

One could be excused for assuming that there is a -100 points of IQ penalty for posting on Eve-O given the utter stupidity of the comments on this forum.

Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.

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Originally by: Proxay

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Edited by: Proxay on 30/03/2007 12:40:35

I and you are real people, i couldn't care less if your moral spikes or drops, fact is, tomorrow, i'll be out in a ship attempting to blow as many coalition members up as i can, simply because i stand against the principals of Goonswarm, the napfest of the north and the fact that bob have yet to go back on their word for xelas, or any other friendly entity.

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Originally by: Variable1

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.

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/signed :( Too many peeps still at school these days.

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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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There is already a post about it Here

The mods will lock your attention spam soon.

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Originally by: Crass Spektakel

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Thats very typical BoB:

Limiting the numbers of players inside the system to (all-bob-ship plus 50) so the outcome is pretty clear. And to make sure it is a surprise they don't inform anyone except Bob.

Well, at least I expect a 100% reimbusement rate coz of Lag-Kill, otherwise I expect some more GMs cleaning their desk at CCP for not being neutral. Not.

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The Coalition learned from the best! Should we start quoting you, Molle, and DBP from the ASCN war? Or perhaps vs Goons?

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Originally by: Gimp Masta

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To the OP. nice capture of the real point here a morale victory none or the less for the coalition. but one which have had its price.

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The Coalition learned from the best! Should we start quoting you, Molle, and DBP from the ASCN war? Or perhaps vs Goons?

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Hmmm.. Learned from the best.. so this is actually some kind of prove your worth thingy. Lets go together and prove we can beat bob at everything.
We can take down their POS¦
destroy their ships
outsmack them in local
be more annoying on the eve-o boards

Thats hardly a positive thing.. You do know that bob is keeping their mouth shut because:
It makes the coalition uncertain
it makes the coalition wonder
it makes the coalition look like fools when they try to provoke a verbal figth
it generally just make you look like the bad guys.

The (un)friendly advice would be :Maybe the coalition should considder stop posting as well :)

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Originally by: Graalum

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Edited by: Graalum on 30/03/2007 13:44:21

Originally by: Proxay

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Edited by: Proxay on 30/03/2007 12:40:35

I and you are real people, i couldn't care less if your moral spikes or drops, fact is, tomorrow, i'll be out in a ship attempting to blow as many coalition members up as i can, simply because i stand against the principals of Goonswarm, the napfest of the north and the fact that bob have yet to go back on their word for xelas, or any other friendly entity.

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What exactly are the principles of Goonswarm that you are fighting against? Whats the big deal with the northern nap-block, when the BoB centered napfest was at least as large as the north? I guess those alliances don't count for some reason, do they?.

For those saying that the community has changed somehow, I can't say that I see it. Its been the same crap for the last year, only this time its done to different people.

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Originally by: Draahk Chimera

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Im too lazy to check killboards. BoB's say (according to forums) 38 dread kills 0 losses. How many did they in fact loose? I know from Stain days BoB dont post losses.

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Originally by: Beyond Horizon

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Originally by: Karina Harington

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Originally by: Beyond Horizon

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So what? It's the BoB Coalition figthing against "The Coalition", next time there is such a battle the coalition will have 40 less dreads to field...

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And hopefully BoB won't be fielding another titan. Don't lose sight of why that POS was attacked. Whether or not there actually was a titan being built, the coalition decided the risk was worth taking.

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I'm just against hypocrisy, on any of the sides, that's it.

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Originally by: Yuki Li

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Originally by: Draahk Chimera

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Im too lazy to check killboards. BoB's say (according to forums) 38 dread kills 0 losses. How many did they in fact loose? I know from Stain days BoB dont post losses.

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They lost 0.

Yes. The coalition destroyed a PoS, based on a "hunch" that there was something fancy inside, lost 50 Dreads, killed 0 caps.

Congratulations on a crushing defeat, Coalition. May we see many more.

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Originally by: Yuki Li

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Originally by: Draahk Chimera

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Im too lazy to check killboards. BoB's say (according to forums) 38 dread kills 0 losses. How many did they in fact loose? I know from Stain days BoB dont post losses.

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They lost 0.

Yes. The coalition destroyed a PoS, based on a "hunch" that there was something fancy inside, lost 50 Dreads, killed 0 caps.

Congratulations on a crushing defeat, Coalition. May we see many more.

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Originally by: CRUSH3R

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And here's the picture.

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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood

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Originally by: Blacklight

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There's no wonder lots of us are boycotting these forums these days.

"OMG 5 BoB Dreads died" - mahoosive backslapping
"OMG coalition lost a load of dreads" - dreads mean nothing we can replace them easily

One could be excused for assuming that there is a -100 points of IQ penalty for posting on Eve-O given the utter stupidity of the comments on this forum.

Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.

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I cant belive you actually taken proud in killing that many dread?? Why may I ask??

Whats skill does it need to attack 200 capital ship and kill 40 with a 500man fleet becuase the sys was in lockdown and the coalition support fleet coulnt jump in??

Also remember you were allrdy in sys and loaded.. We jumped that means that most of our capital ships wasnt even loaded when they died..

Dont take proud in this lag fest.. However you can be plaesed becuase you guys just did what every other faction would have done and that is to try to kill as many as possible..

So GJ to that

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Originally by: Pariah Eutrophius

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Originally by: Buxaroo

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You think the coalition will be able to do this every single time? You think the coalition can withstand 40+ cap losses per engagement?

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YES, 40 dreads, all insured = bout 500mill loss per dread=20bill spread across 5 or so of the biggest alliances in game?

derrrrrr

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Originally by: CHoKeD

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stuff

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Originally by: Blacklight

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One could be excused for assuming that there is a -100 points of IQ penalty for posting on Eve-O given the utter stupidity of the comments on this forum.

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Originally by: Blacklight

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There's no wonder lots of us are boycotting these forums these days.

"OMG 5 BoB Dreads died" - mahoosive backslapping
"OMG coalition lost a load of dreads" - dreads mean nothing we can replace them easily


One could be excused for assuming that there is a -100 points of IQ penalty for posting on Eve-O given the utter stupidity of the comments on this forum.

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.

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Originally by: CCP Arkanon

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We're a company of professionals, not some LAN party gone bad.

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Originally by: Victor Vision

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Edited by: Victor Vision on 30/03/2007 15:09:47
The Coalition claims that this limit hindered about 60% of their attacking fleet from entering the system.

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.

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Originally by: Sentinel Eeex

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Ok, I don't get it.

GM set a 'cap' on number of pilots in the system - before or after people actually started jumping in (in other words - did he do it when defensive fleet was already in or ... )?

I am confused

Or was that whole "GM set the cap" thing just a wild guess?

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Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar

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Hmm, if they had not done that, then we'd of had node crash after node crash and you'd of been sitting at your login in screen while the outcome of this fight would of been determined by how lucky either side was in getting pilots back into the game.

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Originally by: Righteous Fury

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Originally by: Sentinel Eeex

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Ok, I don't get it.

GM set a 'cap' on number of pilots in the system - before or after people actually started jumping in (in other words - did he do it when defensive fleet was already in or ... )?

I am confused

Or was that whole "GM set the cap" thing just a wild guess?

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Local in F-T never went above 475. The coalition can cry about an imaginary system cap at 700 all they wish, but they were still 200 pilots from figuring out if it was really there.

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Originally by: Manfred Sideous

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Adapt and Overcome.

Zergs will only get you so far this point has been proven in almost every MMO. At the end of the day Superior tactics will outclass a Zerg anyday. Not to offend the coalition members but thats exactly the tactic you employed.

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Originally by: Manfred Sideous

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Adapt and Overcome.

Zergs will only get you so far this point has been proven in almost every MMO. At the end of the day Superior tactics will outclass a Zerg anyday. Not to offend the coalition members but thats exactly the tactic you employed.


You realize you had 1000 pilots at your disposal and could have attacked 5-7 major station systems simotaneously. Then when those sytems POS came out of renforced you then again could have attacked simotaneously again and BOB and Allies would only effectively be able to respond to a few of those spots.

A titan or a group of titans is insugnifigant when you have the rescources and ability to attack more places than can be defended at one time. But when you play directly into the defenders hand allowing them to setup proper defense and dictate the battlefield your going to walk away with a bittersweet and at best marginal victory.

IMO if the coallition is truly commited to the goal of dismantling the power block of Band of Brothers and their allies Tactics will win the fight not numbers.

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Originally by: Blacklight

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There's no wonder lots of us are boycotting these forums these days.

"OMG 5 BoB Dreads died" - mahoosive backslapping
"OMG coalition lost a load of dreads" - dreads mean nothing we can replace them easily

One could be excused for assuming that there is a -100 points of IQ penalty for posting on Eve-O given the utter stupidity of the comments on this forum.

Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.

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Originally by: Clavius Der

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I dont understand why are these big things (titans, heavy armed poses) in game if they are destroyable with metagaming only

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Originally by: Griseus

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As on of the capital pilots i want to say that 700 local limit is worst thing that GM's could do.

After i pressed Jump button it took me about 15 minutes to jump into system.

And as for loses, that was total bu***t. Capitals jumped to pos and stuck between systhem just enough time for the wave to before them be killed.
After jumping in and suffering lag , dreads beacame a victim of all the same old "game mechanics" we seeing for a quite along time. BOB fleet was already at POS, so they don't need to load, and POS not affected by lags.

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Originally by: Manfred Sideous

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Zergs will only get you so far this point has been proven in almost every MMO. At the end of the day Superior tactics will outclass a Zerg anyday. Not to offend the coalition members but thats exactly the tactic you employed.

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Originally by: pershphanie

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You don't get to bring in a 500man blob to a pos and then complain their was lag. You get zero sympathy.

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Originally by: Griseus

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As on of the capital pilots i want to say that 700 local limit is worst thing that GM's could do.

After i pressed Jump button it took me about 15 minutes to jump into system.

And as for loses, that was total bu***t. Capitals jumped to pos and stuck between systhem just enough time for the wave to before them be killed.
After jumping in and suffering lag , dreads beacame a victim of all the same old "game mechanics" we seeing for a quite along time. BOB fleet was already at POS, so they don't need to load, and POS not affected by lags.

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Have you guys all gone insane? Is the outcome of the fight so hard to deal with that you had to detach yourselves from reality completly?

You don't get to bring in a 500man blob to a pos and then complain their was lag. You get zero sympathy.

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Originally by: Blacklight

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There's no wonder lots of us are boycotting these forums these days.

"OMG 5 BoB Dreads died" - mahoosive backslapping
"OMG coalition lost a load of dreads" - dreads mean nothing we can replace them easily

One could be excused for assuming that there is a -100 points of IQ penalty for posting on Eve-O given the utter stupidity of the comments on this forum.

Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.

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Originally by: Ghost Reaper

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Originally by: Ewa Quillam

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Originally by: Proxay

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Originally by: Ewa Quillam

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Why are you bitter, BoB didn't loose a titan anyway, right?

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Doesn't anyone else find it slightly amiss that the whole coalitions offensive was based off a rumour, which could've well been for a double agent spy?

Anyone at all?

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Doesn't anyone find it strange that up to date, there is no official BoB statement on this? No, they don't care... hell they don't, they must be crushing their teeth over this, but they still continue to play their mind game.

Btw, everyone has information and facts. I believe it, many of us believe it, but you wish we didn't so our morale drops.

Oh, still waiting for the Molle post.

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could it be becasue anything they say is twisted completly my 'the coalition' both sides will never know/tell was was in array. 'The coalition' lost the biggest amount of capitals in history of eve, bob 'might' have lost a titan. All they lost if anything was the POS and componets (which cost around 45billin anyway)as well as all the BS and support.

It was a epic fight, and the truth will probaly never be revealed, they could have lost 50caps for nothing, or for a titan, either way they lost more.... Moral blow? You are joking? We are on a big high right now, we just ganked 50 capital ships and a lot of support. (by we i mean all the friendlies involved)

See you at the next fight, bring better loot next time^^....end of

Gr

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Originally by: R0ot

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Very nice write up i must say,

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Originally by: Evelgrivion

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Originally by: Dragutinovic

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Originally by: Blacklight

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There's no wonder lots of us are boycotting these forums these days.

"OMG 5 BoB Dreads died" - mahoosive backslapping
"OMG coalition lost a load of dreads" - dreads mean nothing we can replace them easily

One could be excused for assuming that there is a -100 points of IQ penalty for posting on Eve-O given the utter stupidity of the comments on this forum.

Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.

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Sorry but thats very rich seeing the alliance youre in .

Not pointing at you personally but towards quite a lot of members of BoB .

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The irony is in how I can find your own post ironic for exactly the same reason you find blacklight's; the Coalition is on a tremendous power trip; the smallest battles bring praise, and the smallest of victories earn a parade. A tail of success at this level brings the universe to a standstill.

BoB is famous for being arrogant, but the Coalition is taking arrogance to a whole new level, and BoB decided that it would be best to stay out of the e-peen waggling. There really shouldn't be any particular wonder as to why

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Originally by: Orree

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Originally by: Blacklight

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There's no wonder lots of us are boycotting these forums these days.

"OMG 5 BoB Dreads died" - mahoosive backslapping
"OMG coalition lost a load of dreads" - dreads mean nothing we can replace them easily

One could be excused for assuming that there is a -100 points of IQ penalty for posting on Eve-O given the utter stupidity of the comments on this forum.

Regardless of the outcome of this war the community deteriorates daily.

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As long as you mean that the drivel comes from all sides (those involved on either side and those uninvolved, but somehow unable cure or avert their verbal---or text-based, as it were--- diahrrea), then I wholeheartedly endorse your sentiments.

If not, then you're just as guilty of the biased BS you're attempting to deride.

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Originally by: Corak

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this is Coalition capital fleet 5 min to "jamp to member"

Linkage

Linkage

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Originally by: Eloryan Persago, Goonfleet

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I welcome you to the coalition of people with user access to EvE

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Originally by: Eloryan Persago, Goonfleet

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I welcome you to the coalition of people with user access to EvE

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Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am

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I think this was a tie. I wasn't there but it sounds like it. Heck, i know my corp could probably replace all those dreads out of our own corpwallet if we had lost them. I think we lost 2-3, so it's no big deal. That's the case with others too.

Infact, i have personal experience of the way D2 treats their dreads ever since the wars in XZH and Tribute, so much that they have worked a lot to make sure they can spam capitals efficiently and non-stop to not even care.

That's adapting and overcoming all right. If you lose a lot of dreads there are 2 ways to stay in the fight. You either stop losing them or outproducing the opponent, as has been proven in recent military history.

The US used tanks that were horribly inferior to German designs in WWII, just because they could roll them out non-stop and at that point it's just a matter of pointing all the guns to the same target.

The Russians were the ones who mastered the terribly costly ways of human wave assaults and despite their initial material and tactical shortcomings, they managed to hold out long enough to get better equipment and tactics and win.

Before someone starts telling me that i can't draw parallels to RL, i think that a persistent world of a game like EvE with so many varied aspects is the single most applicable game for such parallels.

A mere half a century ago, a war was fought between two sides...one that was leaner, meaner, better equipped, trained and led and another one, that was lacking in all of the above but had the determination and the capacity to rearm,regroup and stay in the fight. The ones who were considered as most probable candidates for victory were the ones who lost in the end, because they were slowly but surely worn out. There is only so much a superior tactician can do with normal numbers against an inexaustible by comparison tide of enemies.

Of course, we don't have permanent death of characters in EvE, isk is hardly a factor in EvE war as has been proven again, so what is the defining commodity? I'd say it's time. Morale could be too, but in EvE morale is also mostly tied to time spent versus outcomes accomplished. It's the amount of manhours any power block can field that matters in the end and manhours=characters x playing time per character.

If BoB has 200 die hard players that play for 5 hours a day and D2 has 500 casual players that play 2 hours per day, then they both account for 1000 manhours. At the time being, i would hazzard a guess that the coalition's manhour potential is way higher than BoB's.

This time commodity can be brought to bear either by improving in combat, having solid material replacement infrastrucrture, or a mix of both, but as long as the coalition groups are willing to stick to the job at hand the situation is not looking favorable for BoB, it's simple mathematics.

The most efficient way for BoB to reverse this is to take away their enemy's manhours, so they must either limit the number of enemy players or reduce their will to play the game.

Now all this is something they have known for a long time, maybe even mastered, whenever they have taken on superior numbers. This is where the use for propaganda, personal attacks and character assasination comes in. To make the enemy to want out of the conflict, even if they have more than adequate chances of winning. Their victories are more than solid logistics, planning and tactical genius. They are socially engineered as well, but good propaganda use doesn't necessitate lies. It necessitates credibility in the eye of the casual observer, something however that was wiped away during the recent scandal. And that is why the current conflict is so interesting to watch, because social engineering probably won't cut it this time.

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Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am

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Of course, we don't have permanent death of characters in EvE, isk is hardly a factor in EvE war as has been proven again, so what is the defining commodity? I'd say it's time. Morale could be too, but in EvE morale is also mostly tied to time spent versus outcomes accomplished. It's the amount of manhours any power block can field that matters in the end and manhours=characters x playing time per character.

At the time being, i would hazzard a guess that the coalition's manhour potential is way higher than BoB's.

This time commodity can be brought to bear either by improving in combat, having solid material replacement infrastrucrture, or a mix of both, but as long as the coalition groups are willing to stick to the job at hand the situation is not looking favorable for BoB, it's simple mathematics.

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can someone read this post and post a summary tyvm

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