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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9503
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Posted - 2017.04.10 19:16:46 -
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Mr. Horn, believe me when I say this. We want whomever is responsible brought to justice, and subjected to the full recourse of the law. It's entirely possible my suspicions are inaccurate. But if they aren't inaccurate? Those grandstanding Federal senators are going to have a very prominent place on the stage during some phenomenal hearings.
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TomHorn
Kresh Leaves
299
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Posted - 2017.04.10 19:24:58 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Mr. Horn, believe me when I say this. We want whomever is responsible brought to justice, and subjected to the full recourse of the law. It's entirely possible my suspicions are inaccurate. But if they aren't inaccurate? Those grandstanding Federal senators are going to have a very prominent place on the stage during some phenomenal hearings.
I believe you Priano-Hanni , lets hope whatever is in them FIO reports , brings down Roden and Blaque at last.. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3131
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Posted - 2017.04.10 19:25:57 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:The amendment we sponsored very explicitly mentioned veracity and completeness.
That wasn't very complete, was it?
It was completely complete, they pre-redacted the report so that's all that was ever actually entered. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3131
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Posted - 2017.04.10 19:29:24 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Mr. Horn, believe me when I say this. We want whomever is responsible brought to justice, and subjected to the full recourse of the law. It's entirely possible my suspicions are inaccurate. But if they aren't inaccurate? Those grandstanding Federal senators are going to have a very prominent place on the stage during some phenomenal hearings.
Not for nothing, but 'Rook' and 'Vulture' don't exactly sound like Federal codenames.
Nor is the Federal Senate stupid enough to pre-ratifify a treaty where the specifics aren't actually enumerated. I think you'll find that your resolutions are about as binding on the Empires as they want them to be, and not one microdot more. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
2065
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Posted - 2017.04.10 19:30:27 -
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Arrendis wrote:Not for nothing, but 'Rook' and 'Vulture' don't exactly sound like Federal codenames.
Maybe that's what they want you to think !
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3289
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Posted - 2017.04.10 19:41:02 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Arrendis wrote:Not for nothing, but 'Rook' and 'Vulture' don't exactly sound like Federal codenames. Maybe that's what they want you to think !
Actually, that may be true.
Seriously, it would be crazy for State operatives to use Caldari ship-naming conventions for their code names-- but possibly brilliant for exactly that reason, except that it would suggest to a suspicious mind that maybe the possibility should at least be considered, so probably not actually worth the trouble unless it's an intentional misdirection meant to keep a little tickle at the back of an investigator's mind, whispering: "Birds ... Caldari cultural markers...."
So, pretty dumb for Caldari, pretty smart for anybody else. |
Sinjin Mokk
Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde
1217
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Posted - 2017.04.10 20:31:42 -
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Tsao Aubbes wrote: Regardless of when it becomes vulnerable, Sir, your corporation would need a valid declaration of war on the SoCT before you could legally shoot it. It is in highsec afterall, Sir..
The Archangel corporation doesn't usually adhere to concepts of "war dec" and generally spits on things like CONCORD and the SCoT. And you know enough about HORDE to know this doesn't fit into the Admitral's plans.
And do you seriously think my associates of either corporation want to increase the risk of this outbreak getting even further out of control? And here I thought we were friends...
I find it interesting that Upwell can produce these stations without that vulnerability gap. I suppose it's good business practice to sell something with a flaw so that customers keep coming back when it breaks. It tells us a lot about Upwell. In this case, I'm happy to learn their agenda is beneficial for us...for now.
"Angels live, they never die,
Apart from us, behind the sky.
They're fading souls who've turned to ice,
So ashen white in paradise."
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9504
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Posted - 2017.04.10 20:33:52 -
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I often forget, Mr. Mokk, that you're a spokesperson for the Angels.
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Sinjin Mokk
Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde
1217
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Posted - 2017.04.10 20:36:15 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:I often forget, Mr. Mokk, that you're a spokesperson for the Angels.
I'm just a humble businessman.
"Angels live, they never die,
Apart from us, behind the sky.
They're fading souls who've turned to ice,
So ashen white in paradise."
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Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
30
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Posted - 2017.04.10 20:42:32 -
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As i read the comms where capsuleers interact, i can only think what a shame is that only on a time of crisis so many different mentalities can be brought together.
At least the social engineering was an positive accomplishment. Let-¦s see the fallout of all this.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9504
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Posted - 2017.04.10 20:49:18 -
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The first proper update on the crisis following the conclusion of the Inquest. Production of 0410 is underway.
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1852
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Posted - 2017.04.10 20:51:56 -
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Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:As i read the comms where capsuleers interact, i can only think what a shame is that only on a time of crisis so many different mentalities can be brought together.
At least the social engineering was an positive accomplishment. Let-¦s see the fallout of all this.
Oh, those mentalities come out and chat all the time, thats usually the point people put their fingers in their ears and say "la la la" repeatedly. Its just a crisis that they do more than blindly criticise opposing views.... |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
2065
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Posted - 2017.04.10 21:11:22 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:Arrendis wrote:Not for nothing, but 'Rook' and 'Vulture' don't exactly sound like Federal codenames. Maybe that's what they want you to think ! Actually, that may be true. Seriously, it would be crazy for State operatives to use Caldari ship-naming conventions for their code names-- but possibly brilliant for exactly that reason, except that it would suggest to a suspicious mind that maybe the possibility should at least be considered, so probably not actually worth the trouble unless it's an intentional misdirection meant to keep a little tickle at the back of an investigator's mind, whispering: "Birds ... Caldari cultural markers...." So, pretty dumb for Caldari, pretty smart for anybody else.
Maybe that's what they want you to think !
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3132
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Posted - 2017.04.10 21:14:38 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:Arrendis wrote:Not for nothing, but 'Rook' and 'Vulture' don't exactly sound like Federal codenames. Maybe that's what they want you to think ! Actually, that may be true. Seriously, it would be crazy for State operatives to use Caldari ship-naming conventions for their code names-- but possibly brilliant for exactly that reason, except that it would suggest to a suspicious mind that maybe the possibility should at least be considered, so probably not actually worth the trouble unless it's an intentional misdirection meant to keep a little tickle at the back of an investigator's mind, whispering: "Birds ... Caldari cultural markers...." So, pretty dumb for Caldari, pretty smart for anybody else.
Which is exactly why they'd use it! Nobody would ever believe they're really Caldari! |
Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
30
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Posted - 2017.04.10 21:27:29 -
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Well, the weaponization report talked about the aquisition of samples, so they don-¦t have access to the sample, so they-¦re probably not Caldari.
I-¦m looking foward to the declassification of the documents to see where this one came from. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3132
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Posted - 2017.04.10 21:32:09 -
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. . .
You're really calling that a 'proper' update?
Now it's an 'antidote', which makes even less sense, because an antidote is something taken to counteract an ingested toxin. Will it be an 'anti-venom' next, for use when people get bitten by a Kyonoke Snake?
This says it's been successfully tested on the Keepstar.. which means that given the time frame, it's been successfully tested for what? Two days? I mean, Saturday, you guys were on the verge of complete panic, and Aria there was writing her final goodbyes.
Two. Days. You what, take it once and you're fine? What even is it? An injection? An implant? A pill? A suppository?
Alton "ba-SEE-lisk" Haveri wrote: With the first doses of 0410 set to arrive in quarantine zones in the State and Federation over the course of the next few hours, the inquest is believed to have saved the lives of trillions.
Trillions. In the quarantine zones. Really.
This is worse than having to listen to Haveri try to pronounce the names of ships used by literally hundreds of thousands of capsuleers every damned day. (If in his next reponrt, he pronunces 'Probe' as 'prah-BEY'? I would not at all be surprised.) Needless to say, The Scope's reputation for accuracy is still right up where it was after they claimed the M-O Keepstar was still fully staffed. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1547
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Posted - 2017.04.10 21:45:01 -
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And now it's apparently a to... damn it, what Red said.
Who writes this crap? |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3292
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Posted - 2017.04.10 21:50:48 -
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Arrendis wrote:. . . You're really calling that a 'proper' update? Now it's an 'antidote', which makes even less sense, because an antidote is something taken to counteract an ingested toxin. Will it be an 'anti-venom' next, for use when people get bitten by a Kyonoke Snake? This says it's been successfully tested on the Keepstar.. which means that given the time frame, it's been successfully tested for what? Two days? I mean, Saturday, you guys were on the verge of complete panic, and Aria there was writing her final goodbyes. Two. Days. You what, take it once and you're fine? What even is it? An injection? An implant? A pill? A suppository?
It's ... kind of a hybrid of the first and last? She said, squirming slightly?
It's intrusive. Kind of, "Here, we're going to pump you full of a quantity of this stuff we don't dare inject into your blood directly and let you absorb it over time." Maybe at some point someone'll come up with a pill or lozenge (or enormous needle) and getting dosed will get a lot less alarming.
I'm kind of hoping somewhere in here someone will tell me I'm clear either to jump out or just go home. The kinds of stuff I associate with Caldari architecture isn't improving a lot right now. (Yes, I know Upwell isn't Caldari, but their architectural design choices might as well be. It's got that "I packed so much tech into this place that I can't be bothered to make your room remotely comfortable; be grateful we didn't give you a coffin-hole to sleep in" aesthetic, verging on ethic, going on.) |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9504
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Posted - 2017.04.10 22:12:53 -
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You know, dealing with Arrendis's constant needling is about as productive as trying to argue with Diana Kim.
I advise not worrying about it.
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Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
30
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Posted - 2017.04.10 22:15:29 -
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Meds are being tested, quarantined people are not being torched, conspiracy is being investigated, people are happy to be alive, factions cooperated and a crisis was averted.
Can we be happy for this and focus on productive actions from now on? |
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1547
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Posted - 2017.04.10 22:22:13 -
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Ignoring potential hazards and risks - especially ones with such massive potential for danger on large scales - is a tad foolhardy. Shouldn't be surprised people are looking for some answers to some very vital questions in this regard.
All of which could be solved with some actually decent bloody information being shared, with something even remotely close to consistency at that. Now we're treating infections with antidotes and we've already been through prions, viruses, bacteria at this point.
If this had been fiction, the plotholes would have had it boo'd off whatever venue or medium it came on. It's honestly weird to see how quickly people just blindly accept all the things that make no sense nor have even the slightest relationship with consistency. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9505
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Posted - 2017.04.10 22:24:45 -
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Science reporting is always terrible.
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Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
30
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Posted - 2017.04.10 22:32:28 -
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Yes i agree that for such dire events, we should be getting a flood of reporting on a 24h basis from all media outlets. But we already know that ACN decided not to talk about the things happening, and The Scope is providing some information, but on broad strokes only.
I-¦m not disagreeing with you on that. I tried to present all the public data on the subject, but since i was not at the inquest, i can-¦t provide the finer details of backroom deals, fineprint on the resolutions and so on.
However, all in all we still have margin for optimism.
Simply scorching the earth and killing all the infected subjects makes room for that "one that escaped" and the cycle would start over with the weaponization of the kyonoke and very bad things happening in the near future, specially with the renewal of the major factions going for the throats of each other accusing everyone of "Not helping" and "Being responsible".
Sharing the intel is a good step, i just fail to understand how the hell such an important topic was dealth by the factions in a binary way, specially since the proposals weren-¦t mutually exclusive.
That intrigues me the most. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3292
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Posted - 2017.04.10 22:41:02 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:You know, dealing with Arrendis's constant needling is about as productive as trying to argue with Diana Kim.
I advise not worrying about it. Well ... but she asks worthwhile questions that I kind of want to answer where I have information to. It's kind of fun as long as she's not trying to put me in a joint lock and pull my shoulder out of its metaphorical socket.
Makoto Priano wrote:Science reporting is always terrible. Oh so very much this. Only, I'm not a scientist even if I'm a little keen on following scientific stuff, so I probably make some of the same mistakes. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3134
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Posted - 2017.04.10 23:05:40 -
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Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:Meds are being tested, quarantined people are not being torched, conspiracy is being investigated, people are happy to be alive, factions cooperated and a crisis was averted.
Can we be happy for this and focus on productive actions from now on?
No, see, that's it, they're not being tested. They're being rushed out to the quarantine zones. That's not a controlled environment. That's not rigorous testing with proper safety measures in place. And if you think it is, how often do you support testing new, experimental munitions in childrens' classrooms?
Honestly, what is wrong with you people that you think this slipshod, improvisational approach to the lives of the apparently trillions of people in one city and four space stations isn't complete nonsense? |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3134
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Posted - 2017.04.10 23:09:08 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Science reporting is always terrible.
YOU'RE the one that called it a 'proper update'. If it's terrible, it's terrible. SAY SO. Don't hold up something terrible and say 'see? Isn't this a good, thorough report that gives you useful information?'
WHAT. THE. HEL? |
Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
32
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Posted - 2017.04.10 23:10:46 -
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Arrendis wrote: No, see, that's it, they're not being tested. They're being rushed out to the quarantine zones. That's not a controlled environment. That's not rigorous testing with proper safety measures in place. And if you think it is, how often do you support testing new, experimental munitions in childrens' classrooms?
Honestly, what is wrong with you people that you think this slipshod, improvisational approach to the lives of the apparently trillions of people in one city and four space stations isn't complete nonsense?
Between the outright elimination of all the people on the quarantine zones, and a rushed out "don-¦t know what will happen but they-¦re all secured in one location so if somehitng happen on the long term we-¦ll know", i go for option 2.
I-¦m not seeing as a cure, i-¦m seeing this as a controled experiment where we have all the elements to analyze on the long run the results.
And this means keeping the people in quarantine until we get the results from the tests.
Better than going Ammar trials on them. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3295
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Posted - 2017.04.10 23:17:09 -
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Arrendis wrote:No, see, that's it, they're not being tested. They're being rushed out to the quarantine zones. That's not a controlled environment. That's not rigorous testing with proper safety measures in place. And if you think it is, how often do you support testing new, experimental munitions in childrens' classrooms?
Honestly, what is wrong with you people that you think this slipshod, improvisational approach to the lives of the apparently trillions of people in one city and four space stations isn't complete nonsense?
Quarantine zones: relatively controlled environment.
Expected survival rate inside quarantine zones in absence of cure: zero.
Expected survival rate inside quarantine zones in presence of cure: probably not much, considering the time frame, but likely higher than zero. H4-RP4 got some surprising visitors midway through the Inquest: a couple miners who'd apparently survived on the plague-stricken mining platform and somehow crossed to the citadel.
Expected amount of information to be gathered thereby: lots.
Duration survivors can be detained under quarantine: indefinite (but I'm really hoping circumstances and data align in a way that lets me go home soon).
Probability of eventual nanoshield failure over Myrskaa, risking and perhaps guaranteeing infection of entire planet: high, approaching certainty given time and/or malicious actions by various parties.
(Also, the expected death toll of "trillions" was assuming further quarantine failures and additional spread, I think, probably-- the stuff's infamous for breaking containment, so, they might have been assuming it would eventually do exactly that.) |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3136
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Posted - 2017.04.10 23:18:05 -
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Morgana Tsukiyo wrote: Between the outright elimination of all the people on the quarantine zones, and a rushed out "don-¦t know what will happen but they-¦re all secured in one location so if somehitng happen on the long term we-¦ll know", i go for option 2.
Really? You think they're going to be secured in their locations over the long term? I'm willing to bet the capsuleers in that Keepstar won't even be there a month.
Quote: I-¦m not seeing as a cure, i-¦m seeing this as a controled experiment where we have all the elements to analyze on the long run the results.
And it's not a controlled experiment. No, you do not have 'all the elements to analyze on the long run'. Isolate every single environmental factor in a city. Go on. Do it. Adults. Children. Seniors. People at every single stage of hormonal development.
That's not a controlled environment. It's not even close.
Quote: And this means keeping the people in quarantine until we get the results from the tests.
Again: You won't see the capsuleers in that Keepstar there for even a month. Most of them will jumpclone out via medbay, which means they'll be flash-copying over their neurology, which we know from statements made in here can be distorted and altered by the "antidote" as well as by the initial disease.
So, yeah, controlled conditions? This isn't even 'weapons control means hitting your target' levels of control here. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3136
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Posted - 2017.04.10 23:20:34 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote: Quarantine zones: relatively controlled environment. [. . .] H4-RP4 got some surprising visitors midway through the Inquest: a couple miners who'd apparently survived on the plague-stricken mining platform and somehow crossed to the citadel.
That's a 'relatively controlled environment'? People being able to get out means people being able to get in. That's not a controlled environment by any measure.
Quote: (Also, the expected death toll of "trillions" was assuming further quarantine failures and additional spread, I think, probably-- the stuff's infamous for breaking containment, so, they might have been assuming it would eventually do exactly that.)
Not for nothing, but hasn't conjecture gotten you into enough trouble here? |
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