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H1de0 Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 26	Posted - 2017.02.13 23:13:13 - [31] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: Good attentions aside, I would caution patience. Quarantine seems a rational precaution until more is known. Agree. I believe we have offered our resources to the parties in charge more the once since this outbreak caught public traction. Other then that there is little more we can provide and trying to overshadow local authorities with our no-matter-how-righteously-driven actions would only make the situation more tense. Let us remain in the background and on alert for any new developments should they emerge. Decrypting the Sleeper cache..
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 49	Posted - 2017.02.13 23:17:50 - [32] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: There are four different nations seemingly under attack at this point. There is no reason at all to risk the people or capsuleers involved by allocating yourself to the one nation you're likely an avowed enemy of when others are already covering that location. Good will and hearty huggles and so on are all well and good, but none of those things trump the primary priority here: The people affected by these attacks. The best help they can get is from their own people. Billions are already spent and at work for Muttokon II simply on the off-chance capsuleers may gain humanitarian access. These people are being cared for as much as they can at this point, and if you seek to help people involved in this crisis I'm sure the other nations' loyalists will have room for you just like this one already has garnered a list of capsuleers ready to deploy. Please do not misunderstand me. First I would not travel that far into Republic Space without an armed escort. I would be insistent on it simply because of the confusion of relief efforts coming off of Amarr Transport vs that of Matari ship. It vexes me to see nothing happening with the space elevator except the possibility of it plummeting into the atmosphere of an inhabited planet thus making the situation worse. I am of the opinion that all of these issues are connected and perhaps all of our best answers come from Muttokon since it is "ground zero." But you are right, no use in traveling to Muttokon when we have the contagion now in Efu. It is closer and I check out things there. If I do find out anything useful I will be happy to share. *When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.*
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1187	Posted - 2017.02.13 23:22:32 - [33] - Quote And should Muttokon II prove to be fully cared for and won't need any capsuleer aid at all, I'm certain my personal and other people's emergency response assets can be transferred under the control of parties handling the other crisis centers in other nations.
Veronique Crendraven University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.02.13 23:26:37 - [34] - Quote Nauplius wrote: We at Hoi Andrapodistai have responded to this crisis by transferring 12,500 filthy Minmatar slaves TO the Efu V Moon 1 Genolution Station. It is our hope that these slaves will become infected and before they glorify God in their deaths will allow my Science Graduates to isolate the pathogen and weaponize it against the Minmatar. Just from catching up on all the forums. You realize you seem to be likely suspect in all these outbreaks across New Eden right? And now publicly admitting on the Summit that you would "weaponize" them against the Minmatar People. You do realize that this started in Republic Space right?
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 49	Posted - 2017.02.13 23:31:41 - [35] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: And should Muttokon II prove to be fully cared for and won't need any capsuleer aid at all, I'm certain my personal and other people's emergency response assets can be transferred under the control of parties handling the other crisis centers in other nations. Of course I do. You have been on this watch since the beginning. I have no doubts in your compassion in regards to the seriousness of the situation. It affects us all. You have humbled me and I am honored that you would this despite the challenges you may face for your good intentions. *When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.*
Aradina Varren Alexylva Paradox 84	Posted - 2017.02.13 23:53:53 - [36] - Quote The common assumption as to how its spread so far seems to be that people have breached the quarantine, or that it was a targeted attack, but what if the contagion doesn't show symptoms immediately? All of the initial victims were infected from a common source and then traveled to these locations where the disease, whatever it is, became active and spread. We should consider looking for common areas between the locations, and also being prepared for more outbreaks if this is the case.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 9124	Posted - 2017.02.14 07:51:52 - [37] - Quote Without a doubt, the idea of a patient zero, or an initial infection pool, is a reasonable one. If these outbreaks are the same disease, then they are likely from a common source. There's a reason Oijanen Response Group (ORG) marines have attempted to locate the black box of the Oijanen frigate crash, or any logs about the same. The major issue with any disease is the latent period before symptoms are evident. This appears to progress quickly, which is honestly helpful -- but even two days' incubation merits appropriate delays on transit. If all stations in the State institute a mandatory lag on travel, forcing ships at dock to remain isolated for several days before docking and transit of crew and passengers, then plague-bearing ships will have crew manifesting symptoms. While this will be a significant burden for corporations operating their supply chains on a just-in-time basis, the public safety gains from a mandatory quarantine period on ships arriving in dock would be tremendous. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Haru'kai Vidaraltyr 6	Posted - 2017.02.14 09:14:23 - [38] - Quote The actions reported here are perfect examples of what I was talking about. Capsuleers all going off half-cocked with no co-ordination, no actual idea of what they are responding to, and risking all sorts of potential inter-empire conflicts in the arrogant belief that they are the only ones capable of solving this threat. It's actually amusing that some of you think that the majority of capsuleers are in any way as moral as you like to make out. How long before your valuable assets attract the eye of the piratical, and in the ensuing attacks, the quarantine is broken? Why can't you simply put your egos to one side for a moment and wait until the appropriate authorities ask for your aid? The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.
Julianni Avala Ishukone-Raata Corporate Investment Bank Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 135	Posted - 2017.02.14 09:30:18 - [39] - Quote Haru'kai Vidaraltyr wrote: The actions reported here are perfect examples of what I was talking about. Capsuleers all going off half-cocked with no co-ordination, no actual idea of what they are responding to, and risking all sorts of potential inter-empire conflicts in the arrogant belief that they are the only ones capable of solving this threat. It's actually amusing that some of you think that the majority of capsuleers are in any way as moral as you like to make out. How long before your valuable assets attract the eye of the piratical, and in the ensuing attacks, the quarantine is broken? Why can't you simply put your egos to one side for a moment and wait until the appropriate authorities ask for your aid? Mister Vidaraltyr, I would like to correct you in that there's no coordination. There is. There are a number of parties involved in it. This is not about ego. This is a situation in which everyone, everywhere, should be concerned. To coordinate efforts in way of aid is showing humanity. While I agree that most capusleers seem to have found themselves lost in this concept, that doesn't mean that it's entirely gone. I can say that I do, however, understand your concern about pirates.
Desiderya Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 1183	Posted - 2017.02.14 13:55:32 - [40] - Quote I'll get in touch. Maybe there is something I can do. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Soldarius O C C U P Y Test Alliance Please Ignore 1568	Posted - 2017.02.14 15:14:38 - [41] - Quote I'm going to suggest that including the Astral Mining incident in the OP's list at this point is premature. While I cannot rule out such an event, there is no evidence of any sort of biological event there. It looks more like some sort of military coup. If it were a bio-chem attack or outbreak, would not someone have signaled for help by now? Or maybe sent out a warning? edit: ok wait. The original press release states a bunch of things that are not known to be true. Since when is there an Astral Mining facility in Postouvin? And that space is known to be devoid of good mineral deposits like Radiant Hemorphite. http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Sinjin Mokk Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde 1152	Posted - 2017.02.14 15:48:28 - [42] - Quote Well... It seems that things have taken quite a turn for the worse. Please continue to trust your local governments and CONCORD who surely have your best interests in mind. "Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 9126	Posted - 2017.02.14 15:59:52 - [43] - Quote "It's never Kyonoke." Until it is. Containment is now the absolute priority. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 9127	Posted - 2017.02.14 16:07:13 - [44] - Quote Alright. This is a blessing that is very, very well disguised. Sort of. The advantage is this: Kyonoke is absolutely lethal, and fast-acting. The time of incubation is so brief that even a relatively short quarantine period on shipping can achieve significant returns on exposure of diseased persons, and the ability of the infected to expose themselves to others is likewise brief before they begin manifesting symptoms. The disadvantage is this: this is a contagion that is able to survive harsh conditions, which means that contaminants that would usually be destroyed by exposure to vacuum might not be destroyed in this case. At the same time, the Kyonoke sample was found within the asteroid in question, not on its surface, which might mean that it is still vulnerable to radiation. The question is what the Caldari Navy has learned about Kyonoke since its initial discovery and the establishment of their cordon. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1192	Posted - 2017.02.14 16:12:24 - [45] - Quote One thing is for damn sure. The Muttokon II space elevator plaform will need to be protected. That thing going up in flames while in orbit? The entire planet might feel the effects. Stage your combat ships, ladies and gentlemen. We might yet prove needed.
Sinti Vailatti Angelis Exploration 245	Posted - 2017.02.14 16:20:08 - [46] - Quote I like the SCOPE. Reporter: Hey Boss, they confirmed it! There's a KYONOKE OUTBREAK on Myrskaa on Oijanen II!! Managing Editor: Oh my God, that's horrible! Quick! Run that piece on how to combat Angel Cartel ships! Reporter: Um..boss..how is that going to help... Managing Editor: Shut up and run that Anti-Angel broadcast NOW! Reporter: But...Kyonoke... Manging Editor: FINE. Put something on the scroll...now AIR THAT VIDEO OR YOU'RE FIRED!!! Fcking asshles.. GÇ£Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?GÇ¥
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1192	Posted - 2017.02.14 16:24:23 - [47] - Quote Takes time to get any segment set up. A ticker can be modified on the fly. I can understand them wanting to get the word out while still hammering out the actual news piece.
Sinti Vailatti Angelis Exploration 246	Posted - 2017.02.14 16:33:04 - [48] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Takes time to get any segment set up. A ticker can be modified on the fly. I can understand them wanting to get the word out while still hammering out the actual news piece. Really? REALLY? GÇ£Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?GÇ¥
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 9127	Posted - 2017.02.14 16:35:48 - [49] - Quote In other news, I've been informed by staff that the Kyonoke pathogen has a variable incubation period, which means a brief quarantine for transit is not sufficient. Further statements will follow a consultation with the medical personnel. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Trii Seo Goonswarm Federation 938	Posted - 2017.02.14 18:54:21 - [50] - Quote Given the first place to go into lockdown was a freight platform, it'll be a damn good day for the big four if it ends with just these sites. Else it's going to be a big, damn, mess. Proud pilot of the Imperium Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1192	Posted - 2017.02.14 18:59:35 - [51] - Quote Sinti Vailatti wrote: Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Takes time to get any segment set up. A ticker can be modified on the fly. I can understand them wanting to get the word out while still hammering out the actual news piece. Really? REALLY? Really.
Corinne Lemmont SOE Ladies Auxiliary 0	Posted - 2017.02.14 19:48:15 - [52] - Quote Blessings, capsuleers. This situation is a frightening crisis, but I think that the capsuleer community is poised to provide significant assistance. I hope that political lines can be ignored while we focus on human needs. My thanks to Ms. Priano and others for calls to coordinate support. To keep you informed about SOELA activity, earlier this morning before the Kyonote Plague confirmation was announced, my organization prepped 16 science specialists for transport to our research labs in Oijanen at the Mogul Outpost Sierra. Their transport is underway with assistance from Signal Cartel pilots. It is our hope that officials will work with us and permit us to offer support in the form of scientific and medical expertise. Food and medical aid will obviously be a huge need; my Sisters of EVE contacts indicate that large shipments are being deployed with the expected cooperation of Caldari State and Myrskaa city officials. I don't yet know what role my organization may be asked to play in that effort. Things are far too fluid at the moment to make such predictions. I will monitor this communique and respond accordingly as I can, but feel free to contact me directly.
Victoria Grey Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2017.02.14 19:57:40 - [53] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: One thing is for damn sure. The Muttokon II space elevator plaform will need to be protected. That thing going up in flames while in orbit? The entire planet might feel the effects. Stage your combat ships, ladies and gentlemen. We might yet prove needed. Roger that Ms. Del'Thul.
Aradina Varren Alexylva Paradox 84	Posted - 2017.02.14 20:55:37 - [54] - Quote I'm currently in Oijanen, the system is very active since it's a pipeline from the Drone Regions to Jita, and some of the traffic is hostile, so anyone planning to station themselves in Oijanen should keep that in mind. Mogul Outpost Sierra is a freeport Astrahus in the system and is a good location to stage from. Airaken is a highsec system that borders Oijanen, just 8 jumps to Jita, and could also be used if you don't want to move assets into lowsec.
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 49	Posted - 2017.02.14 21:34:05 - [55] - Quote At this point I guess we need who are eyes in each of the infected systems and whether or not we can creating staging areas in them all to be ready. Now all we need is confirmation that Kyonoke is at the other sites. *When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.*
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1193	Posted - 2017.02.14 21:38:06 - [56] - Quote I'm more curious who'll take on Aridia. That may possibly be the worst system outside of nullsec hubs to try and set up shop.
Casserina Leshrac Sanguine Illuminations 49	Posted - 2017.02.14 21:44:02 - [57] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: I'm more curious who'll take on Aridia. That may possibly be the worst system outside of nullsec hubs to try and set up shop. I seem to recall that there are least two Federation Research stations that are withing two jumps. So difficult but impossible. *When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.*
Soldarius O C C U P Y Test Alliance Please Ignore 1568	Posted - 2017.02.15 16:07:45 - [58] - Quote KILL IT WITH FIRE! Since this plague is so fast acting, I see no problem with literally purifying every infected area to the maximum possible extent. Any other response would be a gross dereliction of duty. http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 9143	Posted - 2017.02.15 18:17:41 - [59] - Quote If there comes a time when the governing authorities in these areas call for purging quarantine zones, then we'll do so; with regret, surely, but with reason. Until then, bombarding major population centers is not a step to be taken lightly, or independent of calls from those with a greater overall understanding of events. As it stands, many of us who responded in the earliest days, before this was known to be Kyonoke, are already losing personnel over this. I see no reason to kill them, when there's a chance that quarantine and isolation may allow some of them to live. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Saya Ishikari Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 545	Posted - 2017.02.15 18:53:32 - [60] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: If there comes a time when the governing authorities in these areas call for purging quarantine zones, then we'll do so; with regret, surely, but with reason. Until then, bombarding major population centers is not a step to be taken lightly, or independent of calls from those with a greater overall understanding of events. As it stands, many of us who responded in the earliest days, before this was known to be Kyonoke, are already losing personnel over this. I see no reason to kill them, when there's a chance that quarantine and isolation may allow some of them to live. I echo Priano-haani's sentiments on the matter. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. But there is a line between doing what is necessary, and adoption of a simple solution merely because it presents itself as such. "At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

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