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Jaret Victorian Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 637	Posted - 2017.02.15 19:22:15 - [61] - Quote Majority of what we can do right now (considering communication blackout and the fact that Caldari Navy dragged nearly all its divisions into this) consists of information collection and dessimination, which The Discourse crew will be on top of. There is a saying among rescuers that "100 victims are better than 101" which essentially means that trying to help in a situation where you don't know what to do will only add to the problem. Right now it looks like the the professionals got it. We will do what we can, explore potential scenarios, make sure the public is well informed without being a nuisance to the people who are the closest to the problem. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Follow us on GalNet!
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1205	Posted - 2017.02.15 19:28:52 - [62] - Quote All that can be done is be prepared. Stock up on assets and resources, ensure you have combat ships available in case they're needed in the right areas, and be ready for anything. That is all that can ever be done when lack of information is the key problem.
Sterling Blades Windstalker Security Corp United Neopian Federation 0	Posted - 2017.02.15 19:35:00 - [63] - Quote I am willing to volunteer the efforts of the United Neopian Federation to take on providing relief to Postouvin. We are not based immediately within Solitude, however we can quickly begin moving small Rapid Response Vessels into the region carrying supplies to setup staging in Niballe, and Oerse. We cannot provide a citadel directly into Postouvin for direct onsite measures, but our resources and personnell none the less can be swiftly diverted to helping maintain the situation there.
Mynxee Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 304	Posted - 2017.02.15 22:52:35 - [64] - Quote My pilots are already assisting the SOE Ladies Auxiliary with transport of science and medical researchers to Oijanen. While it is true that most of us tend to operate in remote areas of space, many among our ranks stand ready to serve the good causes of New Eden and will deploy where we are needed in order to do that. Please don't hesitate to reach out to me if we can somehow support peaceful aid efforts relative to this crisis. Lost in space, looking for sigs... Blog: Cloaky Wanderer
Gorion Wassenar Stimulus Rote Kapelle 159	Posted - 2017.02.16 00:27:31 - [65] - Quote The time to shut the door will come much sooner than you could possibly want. Stars preserves us I never wanted to see this genie out of its bottle again. Rote Kapelle - NOW IN SLIGHTLY MORE LAW ABIDING FLAVOR! "DRINK STARSI!" -¬-«GäóOwnership Group Chairman
Sterling Blades Windstalker Security Corp United Neopian Federation 2	Posted - 2017.02.16 05:58:26 - [66] - Quote The first of several UNF Containment and Relief teams have arrived in Solitude, and are staged in Niballe at a freeport citadel that already exists there. Due to the nature of the suspected Kyonoke outbreak on the Astral Mining platform in Postouvin, All UNF C&R teams have Class 5A Self Contained HazMat gear, with minimum 2 hour internal air supplies and full HardVac ratings. Full primary and secondary quarantine measures will be instituted as necessary for all C&R Personnel that enter the Postouvin system. More Rapid Response units are being prepped to be moved from the Placid region, through Syndicate, and into Solitude for further staging.
Desiderya Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 1185	Posted - 2017.02.16 08:55:39 - [67] - Quote Desiderya wrote: I'll get in touch. Maybe there is something I can do. Scope News wrote: It's Kyonoke Scratch that. I leave poking that particular beehive to people with more suicidal tendencies than me and wish you the best of luck. Keep in mind when talking about blowing planets up that this debris goes everywhere. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Agiri Falken State War Academy Caldari State 265	Posted - 2017.02.16 11:50:08 - [68] - Quote Sterling Blades wrote: The first of several UNF Containment and Relief teams have arrived in Solitude, and are staged in Niballe at a freeport citadel that already exists there. Due to the nature of the suspected Kyonoke outbreak on the Astral Mining platform in Postouvin, All UNF C&R teams have Class 5A Self Contained HazMat gear, with minimum 2 hour internal air supplies and full HardVac ratings. Full primary and secondary quarantine measures will be instituted as necessary for all C&R Personnel that enter the Postouvin system. More Rapid Response units are being prepped to be moved from the Placid region, through Syndicate, and into Solitude for further staging. Just keep in mind that this particular germ, as I understand it, bypasses most any means to filter it out, yeah? Honest concern from this ground pounder for your men.
Sterling Blades Windstalker Security Corp United Neopian Federation 2	Posted - 2017.02.16 12:23:55 - [69] - Quote Agiri Falken wrote: Sterling Blades wrote: The first of several UNF Containment and Relief teams have arrived in Solitude, and are staged in Niballe at a freeport citadel that already exists there. Due to the nature of the suspected Kyonoke outbreak on the Astral Mining platform in Postouvin, All UNF C&R teams have Class 5A Self Contained HazMat gear, with minimum 2 hour internal air supplies and full HardVac ratings. Full primary and secondary quarantine measures will be instituted as necessary for all C&R Personnel that enter the Postouvin system. More Rapid Response units are being prepped to be moved from the Placid region, through Syndicate, and into Solitude for further staging. Just keep in mind that this particular germ, as I understand it, bypasses most any means to filter it out, yeah? Honest concern from this ground pounder for your men. I understand your concerns, and very much so am appreciative of it. I have made sure that all involved personnel have been thoroughly briefed on the nature of this particular prion, and then given personal discretion to back out of the operation if they so chose without fear of repercussion. All C&R teams that chose to stay actively a part of the operation have done so of their own free will, fully understanding that any possible contact with the Astral Mining platform in Postouvin(or even entering its relative proximity) may mean that they will become part of the quarantine, and completely cut off from exit if they are not infomorphs such as capsuleers or former clone mercs.
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 2948	Posted - 2017.02.16 15:26:54 - [70] - Quote Please bear in mind that one of the problems with Kyonoke is that the protein "speck" is too similar to normal proteins for scanners to pick it up very readily at all. In other words, it can only really be tracked by its victims. It's maybe kind of a good thing that there's usually not a lot of delay before victims start appearing, but it can take much longer if the "speck" is in its "basic" state. Paranoia's probably going to have to be the rule here.

Sterling Blades Windstalker Security Corp United Neopian Federation 2	Posted - 2017.02.16 16:00:32 - [71] - Quote That, I will not deny miss Aria, and am fully aware. Hence any proximal contact will be handled as exposure, and placed in further extended quarantine. Wish such weren't necessary, but these incidents do so require such paranoia. Insofar we have established an operational center in Postouvin now, with primary staging still in Niballe, however we have kept all UNF vessels outside of the platform's proximity until additional C&R teams are in place, and it has been made clear that any entering C&R team to breach a certain cordon distance will be immediately marked as a quarantined casualty, and will not be allowed back past the cordon distance via remote disabling of any warp capabilities. As much as it turns my gut, they are aware that any such attempts to get back after the 'No Return' distance will be met as a hostile act, and the vessel slagged with antimatter. Its a wretched state of affairs, but unfortunately pertinent that things not be allowed to escalate further and spread. None of the C&R teams have been given any orders to enter proximity within 200km of the platform, and such shall remain the case in terms of orders given from top downward, until more information is known about the on platform situation, though Astral Mining has been less than forthcoming with specifics. The situation across the board in all incidents is very much liquid, and still subject to change.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 9166	Posted - 2017.02.16 21:07:16 - [72] - Quote Pilots, a small update. The majority of the details are still classified, but it would appear this is not the same as the original strain. The slower action is in fact quite problematic. The major issue with any pathogen is the amount of time the infected have to pass the infection on before themselves becoming incapacitated. This is, for instance, one of the reasons why a variety of hemorrhagic fevers are both terrifying but ultimately not dangerous to the interstellar community at large: while extremely contagious, symptoms progress so rapidly that the reproduction rate in the population is actually impeded by it. In a way, this is why your common cold or flu is much more successful as a pathogen: the symptoms are such that it isn't uncommon for those infected to continue working, travelling, and passing the pathogen to others. Not so with the standard Kyonoke strain, where infection progresses so rapidly that the potential number of exposed is extremely small. This is, however, not the standard strain. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1825	Posted - 2017.02.16 21:32:19 - [73] - Quote This increases the threat of the contagion significantly. As cold as it sounds, immediate, mandatory euthanasia for those infected is preferred at this point. Forcible isolation for all those potentially exposed. Authorities must act quickly. If this is allowed to spread the effects will be devastating. Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade Lord Consort of House Sarum
Jinari Otsito Otsito Mining and Manufacture Corelum Syndicate 794	Posted - 2017.02.16 21:42:36 - [74] - Quote I'll admit, the mention of a "digital transmission of a full report on the pathogen" had me salivating a bit. That they called it a "virus" made me put a forehead shaped dent in my desk. I will echo the academic community's request for dissemination of the report, as I have a full division standing ready to start working on it. This is a matter for all of New Eden, not just Zainou. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
H1de0 Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 30	Posted - 2017.02.16 21:54:09 - [75] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Pilots, a small update. The majority of the details are still classified, but it would appear this is not the same as the original strain. The slower action is in fact quite problematic. The major issue with any pathogen is the amount of time the infected have to pass the infection on before themselves becoming incapacitated. This is, for instance, one of the reasons why a variety of hemorrhagic fevers are both terrifying but ultimately not dangerous to the interstellar community at large: while extremely contagious, symptoms progress so rapidly that the reproduction rate in the population is actually impeded by it. In a way, this is why your common cold or flu is much more successful as a pathogen: the symptoms are such that it isn't uncommon for those infected to continue working, travelling, and passing the pathogen to others. Not so with the standard Kyonoke strain, where infection progresses so rapidly that the potential number of exposed is extremely small. This is, however, not the standard strain. This is indeed a very interesting development. For primary we are now aware that the pathogen is able to traverse larger distances in it's "basic" state hence we must assume that the measures taken to isolate it could have proven unsuccessful. On what scale, only time will tell. For secondary, since this is a non-standard strain, it seems the pathogen has undergone a mutation of sorts. Organics do not evolve in constant, finite environments. For the adaptation process to begin they need a catalyst, a change in their surroundings. Since the original strain was isolated and left host-less, the mutation process must have taken place outside of it's place of origin in Taisy. Three possibilities come to mind: 1. A second (or multiple) "pit" exists. 2. The original sample has managed to leak somehow. 3. The new strain has been engineered. Decrypting the Sleeper cache..
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1826	Posted - 2017.02.16 21:55:32 - [76] - Quote The lack of cases in recent history strongly suggests the mutation to this strain was not natural. Someone almost certainly engineered it to be more deadly and more easily spread. Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade Lord Consort of House Sarum
Karmilla Strife Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 546	Posted - 2017.02.16 23:02:26 - [77] - Quote The fact that hosts can use FTL travel does not constitute a "mutation".
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 2036	Posted - 2017.02.17 01:19:11 - [78] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Pilots, a small update. The majority of the details are still classified, but it would appear this is not the same as the original strain. The slower action is in fact quite problematic. The major issue with any pathogen is the amount of time the infected have to pass the infection on before themselves becoming incapacitated. This is, for instance, one of the reasons why a variety of hemorrhagic fevers are both terrifying but ultimately not dangerous to the interstellar community at large: while extremely contagious, symptoms progress so rapidly that the reproduction rate in the population is actually impeded by it. In a way, this is why your common cold or flu is much more successful as a pathogen: the symptoms are such that it isn't uncommon for those infected to continue working, travelling, and passing the pathogen to others. Not so with the standard Kyonoke strain, where infection progresses so rapidly that the potential number of exposed is extremely small. This is, however, not the standard strain. However, one must not forget that Kyonoke, being a prion, has a far more stable protein structure as to allow them to retain infectivity even under prolonged exposure to conditions that would denature a virus. They tend to linger around for much longer even after all potential hosts are eradicated. In the case of Kyonoke, it seemed like the prion could linger pretty much indefinitely even after all the hosts are dead. This would make the prion ideal for area denial attacks for anyone who wishes to utilise it as a weapon. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 2951	Posted - 2017.02.17 03:25:18 - [79] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Makoto Priano wrote: Pilots, a small update. The majority of the details are still classified, but it would appear this is not the same as the original strain. The slower action is in fact quite problematic. The major issue with any pathogen is the amount of time the infected have to pass the infection on before themselves becoming incapacitated. This is, for instance, one of the reasons why a variety of hemorrhagic fevers are both terrifying but ultimately not dangerous to the interstellar community at large: while extremely contagious, symptoms progress so rapidly that the reproduction rate in the population is actually impeded by it. In a way, this is why your common cold or flu is much more successful as a pathogen: the symptoms are such that it isn't uncommon for those infected to continue working, travelling, and passing the pathogen to others. Not so with the standard Kyonoke strain, where infection progresses so rapidly that the potential number of exposed is extremely small. This is, however, not the standard strain. However, one must not forget that Kyonoke, being a prion, has a far more stable protein structure as to allow them to retain infectivity even under prolonged exposure to conditions that would denature a virus. They tend to linger around for much longer even after all potential hosts are eradicated. In the case of Kyonoke, it seemed like the prion could linger pretty much indefinitely. This would make the prion ideal for area denial attacks for anyone who wishes to utilise it as a weapon. It might be a little misleading to call it a prion, really. I mean, it's more like a tactical destroyer protein with "virus-like" (sharpshooter/propulsion) and "prion-like" (defensive) modes. Apparently it's not always so sturdy-- maybe there might be a way to force all of it into "advanced" form and then hit it with something that breaks it up?
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 2036	Posted - 2017.02.17 06:29:17 - [80] - Quote Aria Jenneth wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Makoto Priano wrote: Pilots, a small update. The majority of the details are still classified, but it would appear this is not the same as the original strain. The slower action is in fact quite problematic. The major issue with any pathogen is the amount of time the infected have to pass the infection on before themselves becoming incapacitated. This is, for instance, one of the reasons why a variety of hemorrhagic fevers are both terrifying but ultimately not dangerous to the interstellar community at large: while extremely contagious, symptoms progress so rapidly that the reproduction rate in the population is actually impeded by it. In a way, this is why your common cold or flu is much more successful as a pathogen: the symptoms are such that it isn't uncommon for those infected to continue working, travelling, and passing the pathogen to others. Not so with the standard Kyonoke strain, where infection progresses so rapidly that the potential number of exposed is extremely small. This is, however, not the standard strain. However, one must not forget that Kyonoke, being a prion, has a far more stable protein structure as to allow them to retain infectivity even under prolonged exposure to conditions that would denature a virus. They tend to linger around for much longer even after all potential hosts are eradicated. In the case of Kyonoke, it seemed like the prion could linger pretty much indefinitely. This would make the prion ideal for area denial attacks for anyone who wishes to utilise it as a weapon. It might be a little misleading to call it a prion, really. I mean, it's more like a tactical destroyer protein with "virus-like" (sharpshooter/propulsion) and "prion-like" (defensive) modes. Apparently it's not always so sturdy-- maybe there might be a way to force all of it into "advanced" form and then hit it with something that breaks it up? You do realise that a prion is, by definition, a protein with virus-like infective and replicative ability, right? Only difference between Kyonoke and the other prions is that Kyonoke is airborne while the rest can only infect by direct ingestion of contaminated material. The difference between a prion and a virus is that a virus carries genetic material while a prion doesn't. It replicates by simply attaching itself to a host protein and forces it to fold into an infectious structure that is identical to the prion's. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 2953	Posted - 2017.02.17 07:12:57 - [81] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: You do realise that a prion is, by definition, a protein with virus-like infective and replicative ability, right? Only difference between Kyonoke and the other prions is that Kyonoke is airborne while the rest can only infect by direct ingestion of contaminated material. The difference between a prion and a virus is that a virus carries genetic material while a prion doesn't. It replicates by simply attaching itself to a host protein and forces it to fold into an infectious structure that is identical to the prion's. And yet the literature on Kyonoke consistently refers to it as a "speck" instead of a "prion." I'm guessing that's because the Kyonoke speck has some pretty anomalous characteristics as prions go. For instance: aggressive rapid-onset infection and only limited "lifespan" outside a host in its advanced configuration. I'm fuzzy on how that works, but, apparently it does. Technical language isn't a magical or mechanical thing, Mr. Egivand; it neither dictates reality nor requires rigid adherence to preexisting structures. If you run into something that doesn't really fit the category it's in, you can make a new category.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 9173	Posted - 2017.02.17 17:22:10 - [82] - Quote An update, pilots. Now, the spread of the Kyonoke pathogen is clearly some form of terror attack. At the same time, the timescale appears to be relatively more brief than we'd thought. The notables from this report: The cordon was breached without Caldari Navy detection. The breach occurred some time within the last two weeks, which immediately precedes the first outbreaks. The method of transmission from this location to others is as-yet-unknown, but could have been directly to Oijanen, or directly to another location that then served as a hub for dispersal. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Doctor Valate Delve Medical Services 81	Posted - 2017.02.17 17:37:59 - [83] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: An update, pilots. Now, the spread of the Kyonoke pathogen is clearly some form of terror attack. At the same time, the timescale appears to be relatively more brief than we'd thought. Well, we can rule out some more hypotheses now. That narrows things down quite a bit. Doctor Valerie Valate. Not to be confused with the other Valerie Valate.
Mynxee Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 306	Posted - 2017.02.17 17:41:59 - [84] - Quote I find myself wondering if someone who had an agenda against capsuleers could use this speck/prion to sabotage and infect the source material used to grow our clones. This occurred to me as I was pondering how capsuleers might escape the effects of an infected body by clone jumping. Now there is a sobering thought indeed. In keeping up with the fast moving news reports and speculation, I might have missed discussion about it elsewhere. Has IKAME or anyone addressed this angle yet? Lost in space, looking for sigs... Blog: Cloaky Wanderer
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1230	Posted - 2017.02.17 17:44:04 - [85] - Quote Unfortunately, it doesn't make much difference in terms of what we can do about it. Our scientists have nothing to work with, our medical or engineering minded have little data to use in their preparation work and - fortunately - it doesn't appear that those of us of the more martial persuasion have any uses just yet. So until more data is released, we remain at 'prepare, for damn near all eventualities' stages. The only light at the end of this tunnel however, is that there is some malicious intent behind it, which means there's someone out there in dire need of experiencing the wrath of capsuleers first hand.
Hetu Hegirin Otherwhere Circle 54	Posted - 2017.02.17 18:06:11 - [86] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: The method of transmission from this location to others is as-yet-unknown, but could have been directly to Oijanen, or directly to another location that then served as a hub for dispersal. My initial suspicion is the Freedom Extension freight-handling platform, due in part to the timing. I must ask myself, why move the contagion from Taisy to Muttokon and not a Caldari freight hub? What made Muttokon a target? Based on my calculations, there are several configurations of jump-capable ships that, if travelling from Taisy to Muttokon, would have to waypoint in Oijanen.
Aradina Varren Alexylva Paradox 88	Posted - 2017.02.17 23:59:01 - [87] - Quote Oijanen has incredibly large amounts of cyno/Jump Freighter traffic. Narrowing it down would be impossible, however most of them simply cyno in and warp to highsec via Airaken.
Aradina Varren Alexylva Paradox 88	Posted - 2017.02.18 14:20:27 - [88] - Quote And here it is. So, that's two confirmed Kyonoke. It's a very censored release though. Doesn't tell us much except that it is Kyonoke, and that they knew that from day one.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 9178	Posted - 2017.02.18 17:25:29 - [89] - Quote Alright. Index post updated. That's Postouvin and Oijanen. I wonder at the status of Muttokon and Efu. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1239	Posted - 2017.02.18 17:33:21 - [90] - Quote Nothing new from our side. Local customs offices have been reinforced and will probably go pop tonight, but from a capsuleer point of view the system is otherwise pretty much quiet. Until the authorities release more information, or the press manages to get some anyway, we know nothing new here. I know some people are working on getting information from groundside and trying to work out shipment and transit schedules and manifests, but we have nothing concrete as of yet. I'm sure they'll find something eventually, unless the authorities have sanitized the databanks even more vigorously than expected.



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