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Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite
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960
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Posted - 2017.03.02 14:05:42 -
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Hey Erich
Do you still think people agree with you? Because all I see is people wrecking you hahahaha
And like Ima said, all these pages for a lack of a permit 
Gotta love carebears
P.s. no one in Black Rise cares who you are, and no one cares about your twitch either 
Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester.
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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
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Posted - 2017.03.02 14:08:14 -
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baltec1 wrote:
If its easy to multibox 11 accounts then how is it hard to have a webbing alt with the freighter?
Well i'm not a pussy to abuse a game mechanic (webbing a freighter is using a game mechanic for your favor - as it's an exploit)
Problem is still a Gangers which got at last NO enough punishment for their crimes;
And hello Code'y Guy - I'm not a miner ; ) and even if I would refuse something that stupid like "mining permit" ;] |
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
57
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Posted - 2017.03.02 14:09:36 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Hey Erich Do you still think people agree with you? Because all I see is people wrecking you hahahaha And like Ima said, all these pages for a lack of a permit Gotta love carebears P.s. no one in Black Rise cares who you are, and no one cares about your twitch either
I love when a butthead trying to speach for "others";
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Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite
CODE.
960
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Posted - 2017.03.02 14:11:12 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:baltec1 wrote:
If its easy to multibox 11 accounts then how is it hard to have a webbing alt with the freighter?
Well i'm not a pussy to abuse a game mechanic (webbing a freighter is using a game mechanic for your favor - as it's an exploit) Problem is still a Gangers which got at last NO enough punishment for their crimes; And hello Code'y Guy - I'm not a miner ; ) and even if I would refuse something that stupid like "mining permit" ;]
Since when is webbing an exploit?! Hahahahah
Does that mean every pvp'er ever is exploiting the game?
And definitely a miner if you say you aren't....
So miner, calm down 
Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester.
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Wander Prian
Art Of Explosions
Hole Control
394
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Posted - 2017.03.02 14:12:25 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:baltec1 wrote:
If its easy to multibox 11 accounts then how is it hard to have a webbing alt with the freighter?
Well i'm not a pussy to abuse a game mechanic (webbing a freighter is using a game mechanic for your favor - as it's an exploit) Problem is still a Gangers which got at last NO enough punishment for their crimes; And hello Code'y Guy - I'm not a miner ; ) and even if I would refuse something that stupid like "mining permit" ;]
Webbing a ship so it can warp faster is neither a abusing a game mechanic nor an exploit. It is a perfectly viable tactic.
Wormholer for life.
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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
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Posted - 2017.03.02 14:12:59 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:baltec1 wrote:
If its easy to multibox 11 accounts then how is it hard to have a webbing alt with the freighter?
Well i'm not a pussy to abuse a game mechanic (webbing a freighter is using a game mechanic for your favor - as it's an exploit) Problem is still a Gangers which got at last NO enough punishment for their crimes; And hello Code'y Guy - I'm not a miner ; ) and even if I would refuse something that stupid like "mining permit" ;] Since when is webbing an exploit?! Hahahahah Does that mean every pvp'er ever is exploiting the game? And definitely a miner if you say you aren't.... So miner, calm down
I see another piece of Wood came here so his "friend" can feel an e-peen growing; blocked :) |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
27901
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Posted - 2017.03.02 14:13:02 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:baltec1 wrote:
If its easy to multibox 11 accounts then how is it hard to have a webbing alt with the freighter?
Well i'm not a pussy to abuse a game mechanic (webbing a freighter is using a game mechanic for your favor - as it's an exploit) Problem is still a Gangers which got at last NO enough punishment for their crimes; And hello Code'y Guy - I'm not a miner ; ) and even if I would refuse something that stupid like "mining permit" ;] You have no idea what an exploit is do you?
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
57
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Posted - 2017.03.02 14:14:58 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:baltec1 wrote:
If its easy to multibox 11 accounts then how is it hard to have a webbing alt with the freighter?
Well i'm not a pussy to abuse a game mechanic (webbing a freighter is using a game mechanic for your favor - as it's an exploit) Problem is still a Gangers which got at last NO enough punishment for their crimes; And hello Code'y Guy - I'm not a miner ; ) and even if I would refuse something that stupid like "mining permit" ;] You have no idea what an exploit is do you?
Show me a statment of CCP that say
"We designed a WEB so you can WEB a freighter with your ALT so it can get in WARP faster"
- if not then it's an exploit of the game mechanic;
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Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite
CODE.
960
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Posted - 2017.03.02 14:15:50 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:Dom Arkaral wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:baltec1 wrote:
If its easy to multibox 11 accounts then how is it hard to have a webbing alt with the freighter?
Well i'm not a pussy to abuse a game mechanic (webbing a freighter is using a game mechanic for your favor - as it's an exploit) Problem is still a Gangers which got at last NO enough punishment for their crimes; And hello Code'y Guy - I'm not a miner ; ) and even if I would refuse something that stupid like "mining permit" ;] Since when is webbing an exploit?! Hahahahah Does that mean every pvp'er ever is exploiting the game? And definitely a miner if you say you aren't.... So miner, calm down I see another piece of Wood came here so his "friend" can feel an e-peen growing; blocked :)
That's the easiest "block" I've managed to get hahahahah
These guys are so easily triggered
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Legion
18725
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Posted - 2017.03.02 14:24:37 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Well i'm not a pussy to abuse a game mechanic (webbing a freighter is using a game mechanic for your favor - as it's an exploit)
Using webs is now an exploit? Citation required.
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Problem is still a Gangers which got at last NO enough punishment for their crimes;
I posted a list of all of the punishments and risks gankers face, ignoring it will not make it go away.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
27902
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Posted - 2017.03.02 14:29:32 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:Show me a statment of CCP that say
"We designed a WEB so you can WEB a freighter with your ALT so it can get in WARP faster"
- if not then it's an exploit of the game mechanic;
If it's not listed on the Known & Declared Exploits page, it's not an exploit.
Unintended, but not forbidden, use of game mechanics is classed as emergent gameplay, and CCP are big fans of it.
Are you still telling people that normal gameplay may be against the EULA because you misunderstood a section of it?
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
3666
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Posted - 2017.03.02 14:52:30 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:Well i'm not a pussy to abuse a game mechanic (webbing a freighter is using a game mechanic for your favor - as it's an exploit)
here are two different types of behaviour in this game:
1) Clever use of existing game mechanics in a new and unintended way which makes you perform better in certain situations
2) Crying on the forums for CCPs help, because you fail even with the obvious game mechanics
which one makes you a "pussy"? Let's vote
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite
CODE.
961
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Posted - 2017.03.02 14:56:28 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Well i'm not a pussy to abuse a game mechanic (webbing a freighter is using a game mechanic for your favor - as it's an exploit) here are two different types of behaviour in this game: 1) Clever use of existing game mechanics in a new and unintended way which makes you perform better in certain situations 2) Crying on the forums for CCPs help which one makes you a "pussy"? Let's vote
Definitely #1
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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
57
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Posted - 2017.03.02 15:20:35 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Well i'm not a pussy to abuse a game mechanic (webbing a freighter is using a game mechanic for your favor - as it's an exploit) here are two different types of behaviour in this game: 1) Clever use of existing game mechanics in a new and unintended way which makes you perform better in certain situations 2) Crying on the forums for CCPs help, because you fail even with the obvious game mechanics which one makes you a "pussy"? Let's vote
"Clever" use a game mechanic which is not designed to be used in such a way is not "clever" move but it's not allowed move ingame as far as owner of the game didnt say it is;
And btw - go back to topic which is;
"Clever gangers" should "feel" pain of ganging others in high sec than just ticklings... |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
3128
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Posted - 2017.03.02 15:47:50 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Well i'm not a pussy to abuse a game mechanic (webbing a freighter is using a game mechanic for your favor - as it's an exploit)
I personally don't like how the web slingshot warp works but I'm not ridiculous enough to call it an exploit. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
3128
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Posted - 2017.03.02 15:56:02 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Well i'm not a pussy to abuse a game mechanic (webbing a freighter is using a game mechanic for your favor - as it's an exploit) here are two different types of behaviour in this game: 1) Clever use of existing game mechanics in a new and unintended way which makes you perform better in certain situations 2) Crying on the forums for CCPs help, because you fail even with the obvious game mechanics which one makes you a "pussy"? Let's vote "Clever" use a game mechanic which is not designed to be used in such a way is not "clever" move but it's not allowed move ingame as far as owner of the game didnt say it is;
Wrong.
In this sandbox game, a move is allowed until the governing entity state otherwise. In this case, until CCP either change the mechanic to make web warping impossible or at least state that it is unintended and against the game rules, it is perfectly legitimate to use. This has been the way they handled any similar cases before. POS bowling for example was technically allowed until it was stated as illegal by CCP. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
3666
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Posted - 2017.03.02 16:12:17 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:"Clever gangers" should "feel" pain of ganging others in high sec than just ticklings...
I bet you can't even list the current game mechanics behind ganking
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
494
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Posted - 2017.03.02 16:32:31 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:"Clever gangers" should "feel" pain of ganging others in high sec than just ticklings... I bet you can't even list the current game mechanics behind ganking
Is that really a bet? It's part of the definition of carebear to be utterly clueless about game mechanics isn't it.
May as well bet if the sky is blue.
<^.^> I'm a cat lol
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Legion
18726
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Posted - 2017.03.02 17:28:34 -
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Hiasa Kite wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:"Clever gangers" should "feel" pain of ganging others in high sec than just ticklings... I bet you can't even list the current game mechanics behind ganking Is that really a bet? It's part of the definition of carebear to be utterly clueless about game mechanics isn't it. May as well bet if the sky is blue.
I have pointed them out to him several times but he still keeps on saying it |
Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite
CODE.
964
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Posted - 2017.03.02 17:36:11 -
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baltec1 wrote:Hiasa Kite wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:"Clever gangers" should "feel" pain of ganging others in high sec than just ticklings... I bet you can't even list the current game mechanics behind ganking Is that really a bet? It's part of the definition of carebear to be utterly clueless about game mechanics isn't it. May as well bet if the sky is blue. I have pointed them out to him several times but he still keeps on saying it
It's called the Backfire Effect.
The more you prove them wrong, the more they believe they're right
(It's an actual thing)
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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.03.02 17:45:44 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:baltec1 wrote:Hiasa Kite wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:"Clever gangers" should "feel" pain of ganging others in high sec than just ticklings... I bet you can't even list the current game mechanics behind ganking Is that really a bet? It's part of the definition of carebear to be utterly clueless about game mechanics isn't it. May as well bet if the sky is blue. I have pointed them out to him several times but he still keeps on saying it It's called the Backfire Effect. The more you prove them wrong, the more they believe they're right (It's an actual thing)
I've witnessed the effect, but never thought about it actually being studied.
Pretty terrifying, really.
<^.^> I'm a cat lol
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Legion
18726
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Posted - 2017.03.02 18:02:42 -
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Hiasa Kite wrote:
I've witnessed the effect, but never thought about it actually being studied.
Pretty terrifying, really.
That it is. |
Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite
CODE.
964
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Posted - 2017.03.02 18:03:18 -
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Hiasa Kite wrote:Dom Arkaral wrote:baltec1 wrote:
I have pointed them out to him several times but he still keeps on saying it
It's called the Backfire Effect. The more you prove them wrong, the more they believe they're right (It's an actual thing) I've witnessed the effect, but never thought about it actually being studied. Pretty terrifying, really.
yeah same, I didn't even know it had a name until this very morning (ty Space Pope)
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
27906
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Posted - 2017.03.02 18:10:01 -
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An interesting study would be to see who the backfire effect affects, and their MMO history.
I think that some experience a huge culture shock when they start Eve, it's not what they know and shatters their preconceptions about playing games with other people, so it must be wrong.
For myself, Eve is my first MMO. It's ruined me, I've tried others and find them unsatisfying; here I have everything to lose if I screw up, the other MMOs I've played don't provide any player driven challenges to how I want to play.
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
88
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Posted - 2017.03.02 18:15:25 -
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Hiasa Kite wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Security standing hit for every target they kill
No insurance payout for their ship loss
15 minute timer where if they undock or enter a new ship in space CONCORD will attack and destroy their ship
Cost to improve your security status from -10 using tags currently stands at 308,373,365.59 isk
U made my day - especially the last what i bolded; So much "punishment" for ganking few freighters per day in 1-2 system (of milions gates hahaha) over and over - and u have to pay what... a penny?... How much u got ISK from ganking a freighters befor you hit a standing which doesn't let u park in a safespot with your ganking fleet? 10 Bilions? What is 300 mil in compare of your 10B; I can't get of feeling that Baltec1 is a massive troll out here; If you're killing freighters, it's not unusual to be doing it alongside twenty other people, all taking sec huts that need repair. So now, the bill is 6bil. Think before you post, you'll save yourself a lot of embarrassment.
Hence, controlling the rate at which you gank. There are many players in lowsec who enjoying pvpng but don't really have the time to grind isk for the cost of ships that they use. They still find it completely worth it to buy a plea one or two times a month to avoid the grind needed to maintain the costs of what they find enjoyable. Why is it wrong to enforce this thing on career criminals as well. |
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
88
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Posted - 2017.03.02 18:24:56 -
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baltec1 wrote:
If its easy to multibox 11 accounts then how is it hard to have a webbing...
Are you saying if you don't use illegal software to do it...
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Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
88
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Posted - 2017.03.02 18:27:29 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:54 pages and all just because he is too butthurt to purchase a mining permit for only 10mil ISK....
I stole a bunch of mining permits from Kushion when I stole 95% of all his isk for three days straight in Uedama. Trust me, I'm good on mining permits. |
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
88
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Posted - 2017.03.02 18:29:00 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Hey Erich Do you still think people agree with you? Because all I see is people wrecking you hahahaha And like Ima said, all these pages for a lack of a permit Gotta love carebears P.s. no one in Black Rise cares who you are, and no one cares about your twitch either
Obviously you do or you wouldn't be trying to bash it so much... |
Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite
CODE.
964
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Posted - 2017.03.02 18:30:06 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:baltec1 wrote:
If its easy to multibox 11 accounts then how is it hard to have a webbing...
Are you saying if you don't use illegal software to do it...
He does 12 toons in compliance with CCP rules
Inb4 backfire effect
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2017.03.02 18:30:58 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:Hence, controlling the rate at which you gank. This is what we call a nerf, a nerf being something negatively affects a playstyle, ship or module. Furthermore the current mechanics already place a hard limit on how often a character can gank.
Quote:There are many players in lowsec who enjoying pvpng but don't really have the time to grind isk for the cost of ships that they use. They still find it completely worth it to buy a plex one or two times a month to avoid the grind needed to maintain the costs of what they find enjoyable. Do you have anything to back this up?
Quote:Why is it wrong to enforce this thing on career criminals as well. Those who PvP effectively don't need to buy plex. Those who gank effectively shouldn't need to buy plex either. Any lowsec players that buy a PLEX to fund their PvP makes a conscious choice to do so, they aren't being forced or coerced to do so via mechanics and there are alternative means to fund their needs, activities such as PI are low maintenance and rather profitable outside of hisec.
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