| Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 7 8 :: one page |
|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc
Otaku Invasion
   |
Posted - 2007.07.10 16:08:00 -
[91]
 Originally by: Endorphin Lai
I don't see this skill as being all that useless, seems to me to be the equivalent of gaining more armor hitpoints, or reducing the rate at which hitpoints are diminished...
It may well be "more armor hitpoints" in the short term as the shields drop lower before the armor starts taking damage but it ultimately means that your shields will recharge much slower and thus you will have a worse tank regardless of whether you rely on armor or shields. This skill screws anyone who relies on passive shield regeneration, slightly hurts everyone else.
The only situation in which it is nice to have -still not good, it is never good, just convenient- is if you're running missions with an active shield tank and initially loss almost all of your shields only to quickly cut the damage per second coming at you, this skill still hurts your tank a little but with it you won't take armor damage which you would have to waste time fitting modules to fix.
If I had the choice I would never have trained a single level of this skill yet I'm forced to take it to L5 to fly a shield tanking carrier.
Quote:
reducing the rate at which hitpoints are diminished...
What
|
Endorphin Lai
Caldari
Hidden.
|
Posted - 2007.07.10 16:45:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
...but it ultimately means that your shields will recharge much slower and thus you will have a worse tank...
Why would they recharge slower?
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Quote:
reducing the rate at which hitpoints are diminished...
What
Because instead of your shield AND armour going down at the same time, just your shield does, then followed by your armour (assuming it is trained to a high level). Is that not how it works?
_________
<-- me |
Casses Judger
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
|
Posted - 2007.07.10 17:01:00 -
[93]
Edited by: Casses Judger on 10/07/2007 17:02:47
Originally by: Endorphin Lai
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
...but it ultimately means that your shields will recharge much slower and thus you will have a worse tank...
Why would they recharge slower?
Shield, and capacitor, recharge is not linear. They reach their maximum recharge potential somewhere in the low 30% range. Below that the recharge rate is reduced dramatically, to a tenth of the recharge or less (warning: hyperbole, but I'm sure someone has the real number). Why this is bad relates to the next part.
Originally by: Endorphin Lai
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Quote:
reducing the rate at which hitpoints are diminished...
What
Because instead of your shield AND armour going down at the same time, just your shield does, then followed by your armour (assuming it is trained to a high level). Is that not how it works?
The amount of raw damage you take is the same, however, below 25% shields there is a chance of some of that damage "bleeding through" your shields to damage your armor instead, which means less damage to the shields. While it is largely inconsequential, if your shields are dealt 20 less damage which got passed to armor that means you are that much closer to the mystical max recharge (or even a good recharge).
It's worth noting though that if you are running a passive shield tank and you get this low you're dead anyway unless you have a way to escape so it's a bit of a moot point.
|
Ferocious FeAr
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
|
Posted - 2007.07.10 17:18:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 10/07/2007 17:18:28
Agreed. Bad bonus, doesn't even work. Now what should replace it? I have a lot of ideas, however, if I stated that you would see the 'Nerf Caldari' psychopaths popping out of the woodworks. They are usually good at voicing their opinion on matters they never experienced before. That is why we need warm milk and cookies with a bib to keep them at bay.
Don't hate me, learn to love me |
Spaced Skunk
D00M.
Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2007.07.10 17:32:00 -
[95]
Originally by: IamBen
Thx for the bump peoples... Dev response please... :)
I've only ever seen a dev reponse in a Gallente thread, so maybe...CCP, come on shield tanked Dominix zomg, it isnt working properly cos I have tactical shield and spaghetti manipulation at level 5.
I vote on more shield boost ammount @ less than 25% shield per skill level, it actually sounds worthy of level 5, unless its broke like at the moment.
|
Ilvania
|
Posted - 2007.07.10 18:49:00 -
[96]
Almost anything would be better than what it is now. I am saving this skill to last before I train for carriers so I don't nerf myself for running missions. There are some great suggestions in there. I would gladly trade in the 5% bonuses for any of those measley 1% bonuses that will actually DO SOMETHING that helps. Even if the bonuses only kick in at 25%-30% that would be an amazing improvemen over this useless and time consuming skill.
|
Ryf
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2007.07.11 13:57:00 -
[97]
I received the following e-mail from CCP this morning:
>Hi.
>Thank you for contacting EVE-Online customer support.
>One of your petitions has recently been closed and we
>would greatly appreciate your input on how well it was
>handled so we can continue to improve our services.
>To do so, please follow this link, select the closed
>petition and fill in the survey.
>
>Best regards
>The EVE-online Customer Support team
I've only submitted 1 petition: see above post #63
So I anxiously logged on to My Petitions, exepcting to find an official reply to the Tactical Shield Manipulation Issue (again, see post #63).
However, "My Petitions" does not show the orgiginal petition, much less any response. It does not even look like I filed a petition. ***sighhhhhhh***
I've contacted CCP and will let you know what happens.......
|
Gaius BaItar
|
Posted - 2007.07.11 14:10:00 -
[98]
HereÆs what I think:
Above 25% (level 0): only the shield takes damage, according to its resists.
Below 25% (level 0): both shield and armor take damage, considering its own resists. The amount of damage taken by armor is not subtracted from the shield damage, but is the original damage, after resists have been applied.
Conclusion: this ôbleedingö damage from shield to armor does not help shield recharge at all. Having the skill simply reduce the shield threshold at which armor takes additional damage (up to zero damage at level 5), having no effect on shield.
Of course, I could be wrongà 
Local chat:
-Weird. if this is YOUR solarsystem then why aren't you taking control of it? ...
-Ok yeah so its not mine |
Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc
Otaku Invasion
|
Posted - 2007.07.11 16:23:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Gaius BaItar
HereÆs what I think:
Above 25% (level 0): only the shield takes damage, according to its resists.
Below 25% (level 0): both shield and armor take damage, considering its own resists. The amount of damage taken by armor is not subtracted from the shield damage, but is the original damage, after resists have been applied.
It could work that way or it could be that the damage is split by some random fraction (probably on a shot by shot bases, aka. "that missile hits the shields, this missile hits the armor...") between them and thus the more armor damage the less shield damage and the less shield damage (below 30% or so) the faster the shields recharge. The fact that it could be either is why we have been requesting a dev response for months....
What makes you think that it does damage to both without decreasing the damage done to the shields? That would mean that you are (at least before resists) suffering more total damage than your opponent is producing, that seems a tad ludicrous to me. For example, you are suggesting that one missile doing 100 damage base will do that damage to both your shields and armor for a total of 200 damage before resists????
If that really is the way it works then this skill seems like a must , if not it actually hurts you ....DEV RESPONSE PLEASE!!!!!!!!
|
Gaius BaItar
|
Posted - 2007.07.11 16:37:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Gaius BaItar on 11/07/2007 16:40:25
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
What makes you think that it does damage to both without decreasing the damage done to the shields? That would mean that you are (at least before resists) suffering more total damage than your opponent is producing, that seems a tad ludicrous to me.
Your opponent is producing the same amount of damage, but that damage affects both shield and armor (below 25% shield).
What is the point of shield anyway? To protect the armor from damage. But we know that below 25%, damage penetrates the shield and hurts the armor. So we can assume that the shield is not doing its job to protect the armor and the result is that both are damaged.
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
For example, you are suggesting that one missile doing 100 damage base will do that damage to both your shields and armor for a total of 200 damage before resists????
I suppose someone could easily put it to the test and shed some light into this.
Local chat:
-Weird. if this is YOUR solarsystem then why aren't you taking control of it? ...
-Ok yeah so its not mine |
|
|
Ryf
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2007.07.11 16:48:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Ryf on 11/07/2007 16:52:08
Originally by: Ryf
Edited by: Ryf on 11/07/2007 14:05:22
I received the following e-mail from CCP this morning:
>Hi.
>Thank you for contacting EVE-Online customer support.
>One of your petitions has recently been closed and we
>would greatly appreciate your input on how well it was
>handled so we can continue to improve our services.
>To do so, please follow this link, select the closed
>petition and fill in the survey.
>
>Best regards
>The EVE-online Customer Support team
I've only submitted 1 petition in my entire EVE career (see above post #71).
So I anxiously logged on to My Petitions, exepcting to find an official reply to the Tactical Shield Manipulation Issue (again, see post #71).
However, "My Petitions" does not show the orgiginal petition, much less any response. It does not even look like I filed a petition. ***sighhhhhhh***
I've contacted CCP and will let you know what happens.......
I have e-mailed EVE Support about the problem.
But from what I've read on here, CCP doesn't generally reply to e-mail requests about problems, which is why a petition should be filed.
So, should I file a petition about the problem with not being able to view the response to my original petion? It seems likely that I will not be able to view the response to my follow-up petition about not being able to view the response to my original petition? (Did I say that right?)
This is getting a bit ridiculous. It should not be this difficult or take this long to get an official response to an issue that has generated this much attention.
Does anyone know a Dev, or ISD Member, or someone official who can take a look at this thread and respond?!?!?
Or at least address the issue of me not being able to view the response to my petition (nothing shows up on "My Petitions" page)?!?!?!
Arghhhhhhhh......................
|
Jamier Legov
|
Posted - 2007.07.12 15:55:00 -
[102]
Quote:
>To do so, please follow this link, select the closed
>petition and fill in the survey.
Just curious, did you fill out the survey, and tell them how disatisfied you were with the service?
|
Brooke Ennail
Deep Core Mining Inc.
|
Posted - 2007.07.12 16:15:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Jamier Legov
Quote:
>To do so, please follow this link, select the closed
>petition and fill in the survey.
Just curious, did you fill out the survey, and tell them how disatisfied you were with the service?
I'm sure they read those. 
|
Ryf
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2007.07.12 16:20:00 -
[104]
Edited by: Ryf on 12/07/2007 16:20:32
Originally by: Jamier Legov
Quote:
>To do so, please follow this link, select the closed
>petition and fill in the survey.
Just curious, did you fill out the survey, and tell them how disatisfied you were with the service?
The link in CCP's e-mail took me to the "My Petitions" page.
After logging on, "My Petitions" page did not have any available survey, a response to my pettion, or even any indication that I files a petition in the first place.
|
Ifness Investigations
|
Posted - 2007.07.14 03:30:00 -
[105]
*bump*
|
copicus
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
|
Posted - 2007.07.14 11:59:00 -
[106]
lol, This is just yet another topic thats hard for some reason to get across to ccp , and part of what makes me a little depressed when playing the game. Caldari ships are generally insta nerfed with the skill sets they require.. yet people are obsessed with nerfing the Caldari race, firstly it is easier to train up a full set of armour tanking skills, secondly the Caldari use missiles , yet the missile skill set takes longer to train than training gunnery in the sense that the base gunnery skills can be used for all 3 types of guns , yet the missile base skills only work for missiles and missiles alone, also as a Caldari you will have to train gunnery skills sooner or later, as any other race you will mostly get away with just your races guns on most ship lines.
My personal experience with tactical shield was; as stated previously .... ooh why is damage leaking through my shield when i have 100% no damage getting through?, Also compared to armour tanks shield tanking sucks bigtime unless you can afford the super expensive faction mods,.. now for the disclaimer, the above is only my view and not that of any of my associates, corpmates, alliance, etc,etc.
|
Pudder
Alcatraz Inc.
|
Posted - 2007.07.14 23:45:00 -
[107]
please reply ccp even if it is stfu :P
|
Naomi Wildfire
Amarr
Stardust Heavy Industries
|
Posted - 2007.07.15 10:08:00 -
[108]
they dont recognise it until it reaches 20 Pages ;)
|
dodgy242
Corpus PCG
The State
|
Posted - 2007.07.16 18:31:00 -
[109]
Right, on our way to page 5 then...
|
Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc
Otaku Invasion
|
Posted - 2007.07.16 20:11:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Naomi Wildfire
they dont recognise it until it reaches 20 Pages ;)
I wish it weren't true....
|
|
|
Adeena Torcfist
|
Posted - 2007.07.17 03:39:00 -
[111]
sounds to me Ryf, they dont wanna know.
deleting ur petition, they probably hope you will just go away. Sadly, this si not what we pay their wages for.
Someone seriously needs to convo a Dev persoanlly |
Laura Steel
|
Posted - 2007.07.17 03:50:00 -
[112]
Edited by: Laura Steel on 17/07/2007 03:50:33
bump
(not to put it on the front page, to increase the post/page count :P)
|
Cookie Snatcher
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
|
Posted - 2007.07.17 08:44:00 -
[113]
any intel when its going to be fixed? Come on ccp, its not that hard to change it from nothing to something useful, such as 1% shield resistance per lvl. Anything is better than nothing.
|
Tabore
|
Posted - 2007.07.17 11:09:00 -
[114]
I agree. As it is now, the only real reason to train TSM is for invuln field II.
|
Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc
Otaku Invasion
|
Posted - 2007.07.17 15:08:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Tabore
I agree. As it is now, the only real reason to train TSM is for invuln field II.
Unfortunately Capital Shield Boosters require TSM L5 which is both a nasty time sink -that armor tankers don't have- and the skill may very well hurt your tank.
|
ZAP 210
|
Posted - 2007.07.18 16:13:00 -
[116]
Annoying. Fix this skill ccp. The least you can do atm is flag this skill as broken. And confirm it is a known issue.
|
Ryf
Minmatar
Suicidal Mercenaries
The Makhai
|
Posted - 2007.07.19 17:19:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Ryf
Edited by: Ryf on 11/07/2007 16:56:05
Originally by: Ryf
Edited by: Ryf on 11/07/2007 14:05:22
I received the following e-mail from CCP this morning:
>Hi.
>Thank you for contacting EVE-Online customer support.
>One of your petitions has recently been closed and we
>would greatly appreciate your input on how well it was
>handled so we can continue to improve our services.
>To do so, please follow this link, select the closed
>petition and fill in the survey.
>
>Best regards
>The EVE-online Customer Support team
I've only submitted 1 petition in my entire EVE career (see above post #71).
So I anxiously logged on to My Petitions, exepcting to find an official reply to the Tactical Shield Manipulation Issue (again, see post #71).
However, "My Petitions" does not show the orgiginal petition, much less any response. It does not even look like I filed a petition. ***sighhhhhhh***
I've contacted CCP and will let you know what happens.......
I have e-mailed EVE Support about the problem.
But from what I've read on here, CCP doesn't generally reply to e-mail requests about problems, which is why a petition should be filed.
So, should I file a follow-up petition about the problem with not being able to view the response to my original petion? It seems likely that I will not be able to view the response to my follow-up petition about not being able to view the response to my original petition? (Did I say that right?)
This is getting a bit ridiculous. It should not be this difficult or take this long to get an official response to an issue that has generated this much attention (this thread alone now has more than 100 posts).
Does anyone know a Dev, or ISD Member, or someone official who can take a look at this thread and respond?!?!?
Or at least address the issue of me not being able to view the response to my petition (nothing shows up on "My Petitions" page)?!?!?!
Arghhhhhhhh......................
Still no response to either the first petition (which they claimed to have closed) or the second petition (in which I inquired about the non-existant answer to the first petition).
|
Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc
Otaku Invasion
|
Posted - 2007.07.20 13:43:00 -
[118]
This is getting pretty ridiculous, this thread has spent the better part of the last two months on the front page and a petition has been filed and still no answer. I'm tempted to say that our only remaining course of action is to crank up the page count to 20 or so....
I guess I'll give the second petition another week before promoting what amounts to spamming this thread.
|
Quilan Masaq
Caldari
Combat Systems
|
Posted - 2007.07.20 14:17:00 -
[119]
Would like to know how this works as well.
Currently sat at IV and don't want to risk taking it higher without knowing if it is bugged or not...
|
Kruuna
|
Posted - 2007.07.20 15:01:00 -
[120]
I've been lurking this thread to find out about this too.
Just thought I'd throw in a message to let CCP know there is yet one more pilot confused and irked over this.
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
| Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 7 8 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |