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Drykor
Minmatar Warriors of the Einherjar Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.08.03 00:40:00 -
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I tried this before guys, I have a nearly identical topic here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=508637
They just don't seem to want to reply. Which is extremely frustrating, customer service my ***.
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2007.08.03 01:48:00 -
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Apparently there's a Drone Thread that is now at 17 pages without dev input. We're only at 7 pages and dealing with a much smaller problem. That's really depressing....
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2007.08.03 10:14:00 -
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Edited by: Gone''Postal on 03/08/2007 10:16:29
Originally by: Drykor customer service my ***.
Could not have said it better myself...
If I was going to the fanfest I'd take a megaphone, shove it into a devs ear and scream the name of this skill until we got an answer about there inability to fix this.
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Originally by: Drykor Customer service my ***.
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Zikka
The Establishment
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Posted - 2007.08.03 11:10:00 -
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Capital armour tanking - 2 useful (mechanic and armour repair) skills at 5 - training time under 2 weeks
Capital shield tanking - 1 useless skill at 5 - training time 4 weeks
Yet another reason to go for thanatos over chimera...
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Drykor
Minmatar Warriors of the Einherjar Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.08.03 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Gone'Postal Edited by: Gone''Postal on 03/08/2007 10:16:29
Originally by: Drykor customer service my ***.
Could not have said it better myself...
If I was going to the fanfest I'd take a megaphone, shove it into a devs ear and scream the name of this skill until we got an answer about there inability to fix this.
\0/ New Forum Sig \0/
Good plan, but as far as the siggy is concerned, maybe it's a better idea to just link to this thread instead, so I look at least a little constructive ;)
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2007.08.03 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Drykor
Originally by: Gone'Postal Edited by: Gone''Postal on 03/08/2007 10:16:29
Originally by: Drykor customer service my ***.
Could not have said it better myself...
If I was going to the fanfest I'd take a megaphone, shove it into a devs ear and scream the name of this skill until we got an answer about there inability to fix this.
\0/ New Forum Sig \0/
Good plan, but as far as the siggy is concerned, maybe it's a better idea to just link to this thread instead, so I look at least a little constructive ;)
Good plan ^_^.. ----
Originally by: Drykor Customer service my ***.
Can't Fix, Won't Fix.
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Sparkius
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.03 13:47:00 -
[187]
You may want to gather all the pertinent information from this thread and post it in the Game Development forum. I checked the first ten pages of the Skills forum and did not see a single thread with a CCP response. It is somewhat likely that they spend very little time reading this forum.
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DRMALIKIA
United Technologies
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Posted - 2007.08.03 19:36:00 -
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/Daily DEV RESPONSE REQUEST
Tactical Shield Manipulation LVL 5 is the suck!
For your Tactical Shield enjoyment.
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/6643/ccpbeatlikeadonkyqz7.jpgTactical Shield manipulation LVL 5 is the suck! |
Yuki Li
Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.03 20:57:00 -
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On the capships end of the stick, any self respecting armour tanker with decent skills already has Repair Systems V et al, so training for a Carrier is alot more convenient than it is for those of us with Caldari Battleship V, the reason behind this ofc being that no-one in their right mind would train Tactical Shields V for any other reason.
It's more worthless than Damage Controls used to be, which is pretty high on the worthless scale.
Imho, the CPU use suggestion was pretty damn good, and if applicable to cap mods would also help the Chimera, that's sorely lacking when it comes to CPU.
GIEV CPU PLX.
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2007.08.03 23:01:00 -
[190]
Making Tactical Shield Manipulation give even a 2% per level decrease in CPU usage for modules that require the skill would be far better than what it currently does. I would say it should be a 5% per level improvement since it only affects hardeners and boosters but I'll take what I can get.
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2007.08.04 08:06:00 -
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Bump
Players, Programmers, CCP lazy staff members..... Lend me your eyes.... You reading.. ? Good...
FIX TEH DAMN SKILL ALREADY! ----
Originally by: Drykor Customer service my ***.
Can't Fix, Won't Fix.
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dodgy242
Corpus PCG The State
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Posted - 2007.08.04 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Gone'Postal Edited by: Gone''Postal on 03/08/2007 10:16:29
Originally by: Drykor customer service my ***.
Could not have said it better myself...
If I was going to the fanfest I'd take a megaphone, shove it into a devs ear and scream the name of this skill until we got an answer about there inability to fix this.
\0/ New Forum Sig \0/
If you do that and film it, I'll give you a carrier of your choice.
HELP THIS THREAD : http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=520085 |
Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2007.08.05 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: dodgy242
Originally by: Gone'Postal Edited by: Gone''Postal on 03/08/2007 10:16:29
Originally by: Drykor customer service my ***.
Could not have said it better myself...
If I was going to the fanfest I'd take a megaphone, shove it into a devs ear and scream the name of this skill until we got an answer about there inability to fix this.
\0/ New Forum Sig \0/
If you do that and film it, I'll give you a carrier of your choice.
I'll throw in a Capital Shield Booster, you know the one we have to train this skill to L5 to use.
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2007.08.05 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: dodgy242
Originally by: Gone'Postal Edited by: Gone''Postal on 03/08/2007 10:16:29
Originally by: Drykor customer service my ***.
Could not have said it better myself...
If I was going to the fanfest I'd take a megaphone, shove it into a devs ear and scream the name of this skill until we got an answer about there inability to fix this.
\0/ New Forum Sig \0/
If you do that and film it, I'll give you a carrier of your choice.
I'll throw in a Capital Shield Booster, you know the one we have to train this skill to L5 to use.
Thanks guys but I won't be at the fanfest.. But i take it the offer is there for anyone going and willing to do such an act!.
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Originally by: Drykor Customer service my ***.
Can't Fix, Won't Fix.
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Lori Carlyle
Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2007.08.06 16:32:00 -
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Your left foot hits forum post to the top wreaking confidance in CCP's bug fixing ability.
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DRMALIKIA
United Technologies
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Posted - 2007.08.06 21:30:00 -
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Edited by: DRMALIKIA on 06/08/2007 21:32:10 If you make customers unhappy in the physical world, they might each tell 6 friends. If you make customers unhappy on the Internet, they can each tell 6,000 friends. JEFF BEZOS
Customers donĘt expect you to be perfect. They do expect you to fix things when they go wrong. DONALD PORTER
Our greatest asset is the customer! Treat each customer as if they are the only one! LAURICE LEITAO
I won't complain. I just won't come back. Brown & Williamson Tobacco Ad
If you get everybody in the company involved in customer service, not only are they 'feeling the customer' but they're also getting a feeling for what's not working. That's the key -listening to make sure that you understand the customers and that you make them feel that you understand. When a customer calls up with a complaint, we obviously can't change the past. But we have to deal with the problem. Penny Handscomb
Maybe 'Customer Service' should be more than one department. SAP Ad
Never underestimate the power of the irate customer. Joel Ross
The customerĘs perception is your reality. <=======MY FAVORITE Kate Zabriskie
The way to a customerĘs heart and wallet lies in how well we initially serve our customers and recover from poor service. Unknown
There is only one boss. The customer. And he can fire everybody in the company from the chairman on down, simply by spending his money somewhere else. Sam Walton
To my customer. I may not have the answer, but IĘll find it. I may not have the time, but IĘll make it. Unknown
ANOTHER GOOD ONE ================^
Common CCP we are not asking for you to create perpetual motion here. We all simply want an answer to the questions listed. Poke your head in, let us know you care about us and our delema. By not responding, your not caring.
Why does Tactical Shield Manipulation Not work as advertised?
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CCP RESPOND PLEASE! |
dodgy242
Corpus PCG The State
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Posted - 2007.08.07 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: DRMALIKIA Edited by: DRMALIKIA on 06/08/2007 21:32:10 If you make customers unhappy in the physical world, they might each tell 6 friends. If you make customers unhappy on the Internet, they can each tell 6,000 friends. JEFF BEZOS
Customers donĘt expect you to be perfect. They do expect you to fix things when they go wrong. DONALD PORTER
Our greatest asset is the customer! Treat each customer as if they are the only one! LAURICE LEITAO
I won't complain. I just won't come back. Brown & Williamson Tobacco Ad
If you get everybody in the company involved in customer service, not only are they 'feeling the customer' but they're also getting a feeling for what's not working. That's the key -listening to make sure that you understand the customers and that you make them feel that you understand. When a customer calls up with a complaint, we obviously can't change the past. But we have to deal with the problem. Penny Handscomb
Maybe 'Customer Service' should be more than one department. SAP Ad
Never underestimate the power of the irate customer. Joel Ross
The customerĘs perception is your reality. <=======MY FAVORITE Kate Zabriskie
The way to a customerĘs heart and wallet lies in how well we initially serve our customers and recover from poor service. Unknown
There is only one boss. The customer. And he can fire everybody in the company from the chairman on down, simply by spending his money somewhere else. Sam Walton
To my customer. I may not have the answer, but IĘll find it. I may not have the time, but IĘll make it. Unknown
ANOTHER GOOD ONE ================^
Common CCP we are not asking for you to create perpetual motion here. We all simply want an answer to the questions listed. Poke your head in, let us know you care about us and our delema. By not responding, your not caring.
Why does Tactical Shield Manipulation Not work as advertised?
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That's a fine list of customer quotes. Love this one : "To my customer. I may not have the answer, but IĘll find it. I may not have the time, but IĘll make it."
HELP THIS THREAD : http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=520085 |
DRMALIKIA
United Technologies
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Posted - 2007.08.07 17:52:00 -
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/ANOTHER QUALITY BUMP BROUGHT TO YOU BY DRMALIKIA
There are only two ways to get a new customer: 1. solicit a new customer any way you can. 2. Take good care of your present customers, so they don't become someone else's new customers. Ed Zeitz
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The purpose of business is to create and keep a customer. Peter F. Drucker
In the world of internet customer service, it is inportant to remember your competitor is only a mouse click away. Doug Warner
Revolve your world around the customer and more customers will revolve around you. Heather Williams
[More business is lost every year through neglect than through any other. Jim Cathart
The man who will use his skill and constructive imagination to see how much he can give for a dollar, instead of how little he can give for a dollar, is bound to succeed. Henry Ford
Quality in a service or product is not what you put into it. It is what the client or customer gets out of it. Peter F. Drucker
Do what you do so well that they will want to see it again and bring their friends. Walt Disney
The longer you wait, the harder it is to produce outstanding customer service. William H. Davidow
Being on par in terms of price and quality only gets you into the game. Service wins the game. Tony Alessandra
Our greatest asset is the customer! Treat each customer as if they are the only one! Laurice Leito
We can believe that we know where the world should go. But unless we're in touch with our customers, our model of the world can diverge from reality. There's no substitute for innovation, of course, but innovation is no substitute for being in touch, either. Steve Ballmer
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And last but not least
A customer is the most important visitor on our premises, he is not dependent on us. We are dependent on him. He is not an interruption in our work. He is the purpose of it. He is not an outsider in our business. He is part of it. We are not doing him a favor by serving him. He is doing us a favor by giving us an opportunity to do so. Mahatma Gandhi
Developer reply? Where? Did I miss it?
DEV Response Click Reply to Topic
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SexxxSlave
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Posted - 2007.08.07 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Cookie Snatcher 5% less cpu usage on all shield related modules
you mean to say that your shield modules are giving you THAT hard of a time on CPU??
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Gwen Aewulf
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.07 19:12:00 -
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/signed
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Reygrimm
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Posted - 2007.08.08 02:55:00 -
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This topic is such a slippery slope to debate because it's less about CCP needing to just fix it at Level 5, than it is about determining what is Best regarding the player community skills.
To most, the skill is flawed logically to begin with because people actually want damage to bleed thru to armor anytime shields actually drop below 33% so that the shield peak recharge rate occurs. (Hence if it is broke at Level 5 then most people should actually be happy at this time that it's doing nothing.)
I'd like to see the skill give an additional % mulltiplier to extend the peak recharge rate down from 33% for shields. Say 5% per level. So that say for example at max Level 5 trained, you get peak recharge at 8% equal to 33% rate. This could keep the original intent of not letting damage bleed thru to armor while at the same time not penalize the players shield regen. The numbers could be tweaked I guess since only having 8% shields left is almost at the end anyways, but every little bit counts in EVE!
ReyGrimm
P.S. I thought about instead posting to the thread in this Skills forum regarding a skill queue, because they're only up to page 5 and this is up to 7, and I'd much prefer a skill queue over this being fixed.
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Jozef K
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Posted - 2007.08.08 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Reygrimm This topic is such a slippery slope to debate because it's less about CCP needing to just fix it at Level 5, than it is about determining what is Best regarding the player community skills.
To most, the skill is flawed logically to begin with because people actually want damage to bleed thru to armor anytime shields actually drop below 33% so that the shield peak recharge rate occurs. (Hence if it is broke at Level 5 then most people should actually be happy at this time that it's doing nothing.)
I'd like to see the skill give an additional % mulltiplier to extend the peak recharge rate down from 33% for shields. Say 5% per level. So that say for example at max Level 5 trained, you get peak recharge at 8% equal to 33% rate. This could keep the original intent of not letting damage bleed thru to armor while at the same time not penalize the players shield regen. The numbers could be tweaked I guess since only having 8% shields left is almost at the end anyways, but every little bit counts in EVE!
ReyGrimm
P.S. I thought about instead posting to the thread in this Skills forum regarding a skill queue, because they're only up to page 5 and this is up to 7, and I'd much prefer a skill queue over this being fixed.
A skill queue is an utterly silly demand. No way in hell will they do it and I don't see why they should anyway. You're getting free training without being online and there are enough characters sold on the forum already by character farmers.
Still, this is totally off-topic...
/signed
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DRMALIKIA
United Technologies
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Posted - 2007.08.08 14:00:00 -
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Please let's keep this on topic with Tactical Shield Manipulcation being fixed.
All really great points have been discussed, just frsutrating to be ignored.
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big5824
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Posted - 2007.08.08 14:13:00 -
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/signed 5% less cpu for all shield modules would rock! (no more T2 xl booster nicking all my cpu!)
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dodgy242
Corpus PCG The State
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Posted - 2007.08.08 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: DRMALIKIA Please let's keep this on topic with Tactical Shield Manipulcation being fixed.
All really great points have been discussed, just frsutrating to be ignored.
Agreed AND seconded.
HELP THIS THREAD : http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=520085 |
Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2007.08.08 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: SexxxSlave
Originally by: Cookie Snatcher 5% less cpu usage on all shield related modules
you mean to say that your shield modules are giving you THAT hard of a time on CPU??
Trying putting a solid capital shield tank on a Chimera plus a Smart Bomb or two, a Capital Shield Transfer and a DCU or two. You'll find it requires either a completely faction fit or a co-processor.
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2007.08.08 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: DRMALIKIA Please let's keep this on topic with Tactical Shield Manipulcation being fixed.
All really great points have been discussed, just frsutrating to be ignored.
Yup..
I feel a threadnaught in GD brewing.... ----
Originally by: Drykor Customer service my ***.
Can't Fix, Won't Fix.
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Castelo Branco
Caldari The Undertakers United Corporations of Eve
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Posted - 2007.08.08 17:54:00 -
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Oficial Dev response at: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=567191&page=1
Let¦s wait and see it "the fix" will realy fix it.
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2007.08.08 19:44:00 -
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Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 08/08/2007 19:45:04 There's a Dev response in the game development channel saying that it has been fixed at L5 on the test server and this fix will be going live soon.
For those of you who think this skill is screwing shield tankers (aka. no damage leak means lower HP means lower regen means die sooner) or just want to see a different bonus or think that capital shield tankers shouldn't have a time sink capital armor tankers don't please post in that thread while the Devs are reading it.
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Imperius Blackheart
Caldari Trinity Nova KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.08 20:54:00 -
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Something really does need to be done about this... Its just not right that a lvl5 skills taking ~20 days which is REQUIRED for capital ships makes your tank worse.
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