Originally by: Sieges

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Interesting idea to add to the skill... as long as it wouldn't take away from its current ability.

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Originally by: Cookie Snatcher

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Originally by: Sieges

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Interesting idea to add to the skill... as long as it wouldn't take away from its current ability.

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what current abilities? It does NOTHING atm.

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Originally by: Cookie Snatcher

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5% less cpu usage on all shield related modules

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Originally by: Ozstar

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and anyone looking to use a caldari capital needs it at 5 :(

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Originally by: Cookie Snatcher

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5% less cpu usage on all shield related modules

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Originally by: JamnOne

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Hmmm, I armor tank. I have actually trained this skill and notice that I don't take Armor damage until my shields are gone where before I trained it I would take armor damage as soon as my shields got below 50%. I think it works.

Then again, this is just my opinion.

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Originally by: Cookie Snatcher

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Originally by: Sieges

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Interesting idea to add to the skill... as long as it wouldn't take away from its current ability.

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what current abilities? It does NOTHING atm.

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Originally by: Kaylee Kaitlen

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Originally by: Cookie Snatcher

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Originally by: Sieges

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Interesting idea to add to the skill... as long as it wouldn't take away from its current ability.

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what current abilities? It does NOTHING atm.

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Sure it does -- it lets you use type 2 hardeners.

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Originally by: Chigger Troutslayer

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Edited by: Chigger Troutslayer on 18/05/2007 13:02:33
I was going to start a thread asking what this skill does, but found this one. The way it is worded It is not at all intuitive how it is supposed to work, broken or not.

"Skill at preventing damage from penetrating the shield, including the use of shield hardeners and other advanced shield modules. Reduces the chance of damage penetrating the shield when it falls below 25% by 5% per skill level, with 0% chance at level 5."

I have the skill trained to L1 and would like to understand how it works before training any more on it. Can someone explain this to me like I am 2 year old. What affect does it have on shield hardeners and "advanced shield modues"? Thanks!

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Originally by: alexalas

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Chigger Troutslayer,

When your shield goes below 25% there is a small chance that damage will leak through into your armour.

Training the Tactical Shield Manipulation skill means that the shield wont leak until it has reached a much lower level for example:

Level one of the skill means your shield wont leak until it reaches 20%

Level two of the skill means your shield wont leak until it reaches 15%

Level three of the skill means your shield wont leak until it reaches 10%

Level four of the skill means your shield wont leak until it reaches 5%

Level five of the skill means your shield wont leak until it reaches [ 20% - 25% ]

Note: level five of the skill is broken and has been for a long time.

Skill Description: Skill at preventing damage from penetrating the shield, including the use of shield hardeners and other advanced shield modules. Reduces the chance of damage penetrating the shield when it falls below 25% by 5% per skill level, with 0% chance at level 5.

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Originally by: IamBen

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make the skill do something useful

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Originally by: Heikki

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Thus:
- The skill bonus is slightly useful
- In practice it's more useful on those people who don't rely on shield regeneration, like armor tankers

-Lasse

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Congrats. You showed those NPC'ers what PvP fitted nanowhoring ships can do!

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Originally by: Estel Arador

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Weird then that I never get any damage leaking through in the 20-25% range

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Originally by: Rid**** Valer

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I would agree with:
1-2% More shield boost per level when below 20% shield
1-2% More Shield Recharge at per level when below 20% shield.
Maybe Change it to Active Tactical Shield Manipulation, and have it help boost. Add a Passive version to improve recharge. These keep with the idea that the skill is to help when below 20%, and doesn't make it overpowered like a blanket boost might.

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Originally by: Midshipman

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Edited by: Midshipman on 21/05/2007 19:41:08
Ok, I am seeing a lot of people in this thread that don't understand how this skill works (at least levels 1-4 )

Whether you are a shield tanker or an armor tanker, you never want damage to leak through your shields. Damage that leaks through is not diverted away from your shields, rather it hits both your shields and your armor. If you get hit for 100 damage and some leaks through to your armor, you still take 100 damage to your shield, plus x amount of armor damage.

Also, regarding the 5% per level bonus, my experience runs contrary to what a lot of people have posted here. In my experience, once your shields drop below 25%, you have a 25% chance of damage leaking through. With Tactical Shield Manipulation at level 4, that chance drops to 5%, but the 25% shield level threshold remains the same. Unfortunately, I don't have a feel for how the magnitude of leak-through damage is determined.

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Originally by: Cookie Snatcher

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Originally by: Sieges

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Interesting idea to add to the skill... as long as it wouldn't take away from its current ability.

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what current abilities? It does NOTHING atm.

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Originally by: IamBen

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Repair systems makes you repair faster. Its an awesome skill.

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Originally by: Griff'ster
Well, I'm just an easy-going kind of guy, and what with all this speculatin' and supposin', I decided to make an observation by shooting myself with my other self.
With LVL 4 trained, and an untanked condition, I took no armor damage until my shield was below 5%. In fact, the first evidence of damage with the absolute readout the shield indicated 0.9/315 when armor dropped ~12 pts.

I will try this again with small guns to better control the damage rate using other ships. Easier to find the threshold.

Without empirical evidence (wherein we should all get similar results with similar setups), or a dev telling us how the mathematical/statistical damage control strategy was coded, it's all speculatin' and supposin'. [:)

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Originally by: Ryf

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I finally got off my arse and petitioned the Devs (see post 63). I'll keep you informed..........

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Originally by: Kwint Sommer

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Great, what's the turn around on a petition like this?

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Originally by: Ranar Estraad

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I do feel bad for CCP though. Lot of bashing them in these boards: "Awesome game CCP! Now, **** OFF!" But then again I think that just comes with being a player on an MMO, since other boards for other games contain most of the same thing, lol.

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Originally by: IamBen

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Make the skill useful.

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Originally by: TOPSTER2

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Originally by: Cookie Snatcher

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Originally by: Sieges

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Interesting idea to add to the skill... as long as it wouldn't take away from its current ability.

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what current abilities? It does NOTHING atm.

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QFT!

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Originally by: Ryf

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Originally by: Kwint Sommer

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Great, what's the turn around on a petition like this?

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I don't know, but the following statements are from the petition submission page:

> Please do not file multiple petitions about the
> same subject. This will only increase the petition
> load and doing so repeatedly may result in actions
> being taken against your account.

> Please do not file petitions to ask if your petition
> will be answered soon. Unfortunately the waiting
> time is very long at the moment but we assure you
> that your petition is in the queue and will be
> answered when the time comes.

FYI.... Below is the body of the petition I sent.

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Please refer to Thread ID# 520085, which contains a discussion on Tactical Shield Manipulation.

1) The thread contains several different theories on how this skill actually works. Can you please provide clarification as to how the skill works?

2) It appears that this skill does not work properly when trained to Level 5. If it is broken, are there plans to fix it? If it does work, what don't we understand about the skill?

3) The thread contains numerous suggestions (and rationalizations) for changing the skill. Are any changes to the skill being considered by CCP?

Thanks for your time!

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Originally by: Bleys Vontagen

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As long as you limit your thinking to "in the box" thinking. Well, I don't do that. Sometimes that costs me. Sometimes I look foolish. But sometimes I run into things, quite by accident, that is ignored by the "conventional" wisdom of in-the-box thinking.

It's a great skill when you DON'T USE ACTIVE HARDNERS. Train it up to Level 5 and fill out those Iteron V slots with T2 Shield Resistance Amplifiers. A SINGLE T2 SRA (EM) will boost you from ZERO to 47% (.375 *1.25). Barely worse than a T1 shield.

And, you don't need cap so you can use what little cap your industrial has to repair shields when you make that mad dash back to the gate. And, better yet, you don't need to hope you turned them on before the Jita Lag gets you.

So, yeah, the skill doesn't help the active resistance tankers. It's not really supposed to, hence it only working on inactive hardeners (including cap-drained/off active hardeners).

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Originally by: Bleys Vontagen

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Originally by: TOPSTER2

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Originally by: Cookie Snatcher

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Originally by: Sieges

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Interesting idea to add to the skill... as long as it wouldn't take away from its current ability.

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what current abilities? It does NOTHING atm.

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QFT!

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It does seem like a useless skill. As long as you limit your thinking to "in the box" thinking. Well, I don't do that. Sometimes that costs me. Sometimes I look foolish. But sometimes I run into things, quite by accident, that is ignored by the "conventional" wisdom of in-the-box thinking.

It's a great skill when you DON'T USE ACTIVE HARDNERS. Train it up to Level 5 and fill out those Iteron V slots with T2 Shield Resistance Amplifiers. A SINGLE T2 SRA (EM) will boost you from ZERO to 47% (.375 *1.25). Barely worse than a T1 shield.

And, you don't need cap so you can use what little cap your industrial has to repair shields when you make that mad dash back to the gate. And, better yet, you don't need to hope you turned them on before the Jita Lag gets you.

So, yeah, the skill doesn't help the active resistance tankers. It's not really supposed to, hence it only working on inactive hardeners (including cap-drained/off active hardeners). And that you don't find a use for it, doesn't mean the skill doesn't have a use or needs to be changed.

My beef is that the skill is Level IV for a skill that's not what I'd consider a full-time, or active-hardener replacing skill. Especially in light that there are no "EANM II-equivalent passive hardeners. I think it should be Level III because you have to get to the highest levels before you really get any decent effectiveness with it and because of the EANM-equivalent lack.

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Originally by: Ryf

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Originally by: Kwint Sommer

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Great, what's the turn around on a petition like this?

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I don't know, but the following statements are from the petition submission page:

> Please do not file multiple petitions about the
> same subject. This will only increase the petition
> load and doing so repeatedly may result in actions
> being taken against your account.

> Please do not file petitions to ask if your petition
> will be answered soon. Unfortunately the waiting
> time is very long at the moment but we assure you
> that your petition is in the queue and will be
> answered when the time comes.

FYI.... Below is the body of the petition I sent.

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Please refer to Thread ID# 520085, which contains a discussion on Tactical Shield Manipulation.

1) The thread contains several different theories on how this skill actually works. Can you please provide clarification as to how the skill works?

2) It appears that this skill does not work properly when trained to Level 5. If it is broken, are there plans to fix it? If it does work, what don't we understand about the skill?

3) The thread contains numerous suggestions (and rationalizations) for changing the skill. Are any changes to the skill being considered by CCP?

Thanks for your time!

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Originally by: Endorphin Lai

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I don't see this skill as being all that useless, seems to me to be the equivalent of gaining more armor hitpoints, or reducing the rate at which hitpoints are diminished...

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reducing the rate at which hitpoints are diminished...

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Originally by: Kwint Sommer

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...but it ultimately means that your shields will recharge much slower and thus you will have a worse tank...

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Originally by: Kwint Sommer

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Quote:

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reducing the rate at which hitpoints are diminished...

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What

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Originally by: Endorphin Lai

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Originally by: Kwint Sommer

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...but it ultimately means that your shields will recharge much slower and thus you will have a worse tank...

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Why would they recharge slower?

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Originally by: Endorphin Lai

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Originally by: Kwint Sommer

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Quote:

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reducing the rate at which hitpoints are diminished...

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What

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Because instead of your shield AND armour going down at the same time, just your shield does, then followed by your armour (assuming it is trained to a high level). Is that not how it works?

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Originally by: IamBen

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Thx for the bump peoples... Dev response please... :)

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Originally by: Gaius BaItar

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HereÆs what I think:
Above 25% (level 0): only the shield takes damage, according to its resists.
Below 25% (level 0): both shield and armor take damage, considering its own resists. The amount of damage taken by armor is not subtracted from the shield damage, but is the original damage, after resists have been applied.

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Originally by: Kwint Sommer

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What makes you think that it does damage to both without decreasing the damage done to the shields? That would mean that you are (at least before resists) suffering more total damage than your opponent is producing, that seems a tad ludicrous to me.

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Originally by: Kwint Sommer

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For example, you are suggesting that one missile doing 100 damage base will do that damage to both your shields and armor for a total of 200 damage before resists????

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Originally by: Ryf

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Edited by: Ryf on 11/07/2007 14:05:22
I received the following e-mail from CCP this morning:

>Hi.
>Thank you for contacting EVE-Online customer support.
>One of your petitions has recently been closed and we
>would greatly appreciate your input on how well it was
>handled so we can continue to improve our services.
>To do so, please follow this link, select the closed
>petition and fill in the survey.
>
>Best regards
>The EVE-online Customer Support team

I've only submitted 1 petition in my entire EVE career (see above post #71).

So I anxiously logged on to My Petitions, exepcting to find an official reply to the Tactical Shield Manipulation Issue (again, see post #71).

However, "My Petitions" does not show the orgiginal petition, much less any response. It does not even look like I filed a petition. ***sighhhhhhh***

I've contacted CCP and will let you know what happens.......

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>To do so, please follow this link, select the closed
>petition and fill in the survey.

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Originally by: Jamier Legov

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Quote:

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>To do so, please follow this link, select the closed
>petition and fill in the survey.

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Just curious, did you fill out the survey, and tell them how disatisfied you were with the service?

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Originally by: Jamier Legov

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Quote:

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>To do so, please follow this link, select the closed
>petition and fill in the survey.

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Just curious, did you fill out the survey, and tell them how disatisfied you were with the service?

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Originally by: Naomi Wildfire

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they dont recognise it until it reaches 20 Pages ;)

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Originally by: Tabore

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I agree. As it is now, the only real reason to train TSM is for invuln field II.

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Originally by: Ryf

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Edited by: Ryf on 11/07/2007 16:56:05

Originally by: Ryf

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Edited by: Ryf on 11/07/2007 14:05:22
I received the following e-mail from CCP this morning:

>Hi.
>Thank you for contacting EVE-Online customer support.
>One of your petitions has recently been closed and we
>would greatly appreciate your input on how well it was
>handled so we can continue to improve our services.
>To do so, please follow this link, select the closed
>petition and fill in the survey.
>
>Best regards
>The EVE-online Customer Support team

I've only submitted 1 petition in my entire EVE career (see above post #71).

So I anxiously logged on to My Petitions, exepcting to find an official reply to the Tactical Shield Manipulation Issue (again, see post #71).

However, "My Petitions" does not show the orgiginal petition, much less any response. It does not even look like I filed a petition. ***sighhhhhhh***

I've contacted CCP and will let you know what happens.......

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I have e-mailed EVE Support about the problem.

But from what I've read on here, CCP doesn't generally reply to e-mail requests about problems, which is why a petition should be filed.

So, should I file a follow-up petition about the problem with not being able to view the response to my original petion? It seems likely that I will not be able to view the response to my follow-up petition about not being able to view the response to my original petition? (Did I say that right?)

This is getting a bit ridiculous. It should not be this difficult or take this long to get an official response to an issue that has generated this much attention (this thread alone now has more than 100 posts).

Does anyone know a Dev, or ISD Member, or someone official who can take a look at this thread and respond?!?!?

Or at least address the issue of me not being able to view the response to my petition (nothing shows up on "My Petitions" page)?!?!?!

Arghhhhhhhh......................

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Originally by: TimMc

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Ideas for possible bonuses from Tactical Shield Manipulation:

1. 4% Bonus to EM resistence per level.

2. While Shield HP below 30%, all shield resistances are increased by 4...20%

3. 10% Reduction in Signature Radius penalty from Shield Modules.

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Originally by: system crashes

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stuff

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Originally by: system crashes

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Wow, this is really frustrating.

Is there anyone capable enough to test this, who has L5 in this skill? I'd think it's easy: go out in a cheap, crappy ship. Get someone with a small ship to chip away at the shield until it is below 25%, and see if any armour is being hit. That should answer the question, I'd think!

Any takers?

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/SIGNED

OOH where
OOH where
Has CCP gone
OOH where
OOH where
Could they be

This one time at CCP band camp I trained up Tactical Shield Manipulation to LVL 5, and it did not do what was advertised. Now my armor hurts and I have no soothing lube to put on it. PLEASE RESPOND!!

Maybe this is the route we should all go. Everyone in this thread posts once a day, everyday, until there is a response from the DEV monsters. Or we end up setting the EVE forum record for longest unanswered DEV post in the history of the forums. We all file a petition every time damage leaks through our shields @ LVL 5.

How do you get attention around here any other way? No offense CCP but, not responding seems to breed these types of threads vs. just responding and clearing things up. I mean, yeah we all could be smoking ***** here but, until you tell us we are, it just looks like powdered sugar to us.

Page six around the corner, here we goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

Originally by: CrestoftheStars

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if you don't bother to read the tread could you pls keep your comment out of it ? please:)

Originally by: DRMALIKIA

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/SIGNED

OOH where
OOH where
Has CCP gone
OOH where
OOH where
Could they be

This one time at CCP band camp I trained up Tactical Shield Manipulation to LVL 5, and it did not do what was advertised. Now my armor hurts and I have no soothing lube to put on it. PLEASE RESPOND!!

Maybe this is the route we should all go. Everyone in this thread posts once a day, everyday, until there is a response from the DEV monsters. Or we end up setting the EVE forum record for longest unanswered DEV post in the history of the forums. We all file a petition every time damage leaks through our shields @ LVL 5.

How do you get attention around here any other way? No offense CCP but, not responding seems to breed these types of threads vs. just responding and clearing things up. I mean, yeah we all could be smoking ***** here but, until you tell us we are, it just looks like powdered sugar to us.

Page six around the corner, here we goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

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Originally by: DRMALIKIA

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/SIGNED

OOH where
OOH where
Has CCP gone
OOH where
OOH where
Could they be

This one time at CCP band camp I trained up Tactical Shield Manipulation to LVL 5, and it did not do what was advertised. Now my armor hurts and I have no soothing lube to put on it. PLEASE RESPOND!!

Maybe this is the route we should all go. Everyone in this thread posts once a day, everyday, until there is a response from the DEV monsters. Or we end up setting the EVE forum record for longest unanswered DEV post in the history of the forums. We all file a petition every time damage leaks through our shields @ LVL 5.

How do you get attention around here any other way? No offense CCP but, not responding seems to breed these types of threads vs. just responding and clearing things up. I mean, yeah we all could be smoking ***** here but, until you tell us we are, it just looks like powdered sugar to us.

Page six around the corner, here we goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

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Originally by: Kadreal

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Edited by: Kadreal on 24/07/2007 19:43:30
I just thought I'd point out that in most situations, this skill actually makes your tank weaker! The reason being your shield recharges a lot faster at 25% then at 0%, but this skill forces all damage onto the shields, making them fail and eliminating their recharge.

Let's take an example of two shields tanks. One where no damage can penetrate the shields, and one where the shields will only absorb damage down to 25%, letting everything else through.

The first guy will have his shield hold damage from the armor longer, but once it breaks, that armor is going to get shredded with ~100% of the incoming DPS, meanwhile the second guy's armor will be taking DPS - (regen on shield @ 25%) which in most cases will last noticeably longer. Obviously the second guy will die faster if your taking an insane amount of DPS as it has less "over all" HP but in that case you'd probably die in either setup.

This would also be great for armor tankers, as even with the small amount of regen a non-shield tanks ship receives, the armor will still only take DPS - (shield regen @ 25%) which would last longer, possibly long enough to eek out that kill before he gets you.

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Originally by: CrestoftheStars

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if you don't bother to read the tread could you pls keep your comment out of it ? please:)

Originally by: dodgy242

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Originally by: DRMALIKIA

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/SIGNED

OOH where
OOH where
Has CCP gone
OOH where
OOH where
Could they be

This one time at CCP band camp I trained up Tactical Shield Manipulation to LVL 5, and it did not do what was advertised. Now my armor hurts and I have no soothing lube to put on it. PLEASE RESPOND!!

Maybe this is the route we should all go. Everyone in this thread posts once a day, everyday, until there is a response from the DEV monsters. Or we end up setting the EVE forum record for longest unanswered DEV post in the history of the forums. We all file a petition every time damage leaks through our shields @ LVL 5.

How do you get attention around here any other way? No offense CCP but, not responding seems to breed these types of threads vs. just responding and clearing things up. I mean, yeah we all could be smoking ***** here but, until you tell us we are, it just looks like powdered sugar to us.

Page six around the corner, here we goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

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Indeed, and that's what we've been doing for a while now.

I'd still advise the people without a decent graphic sig to put the link to this thread in their sig.

Can anyone tell me how to make it linkable though?

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Originally by: Ar Inziladun

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Edited by: Ar Inziladun on 25/07/2007 17:09:06

Originally by: dodgy242

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Originally by: DRMALIKIA

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/SIGNED

OOH where
OOH where
Has CCP gone
OOH where
OOH where
Could they be

This one time at CCP band camp I trained up Tactical Shield Manipulation to LVL 5, and it did not do what was advertised. Now my armor hurts and I have no soothing lube to put on it. PLEASE RESPOND!!

Maybe this is the route we should all go. Everyone in this thread posts once a day, everyday, until there is a response from the DEV monsters. Or we end up setting the EVE forum record for longest unanswered DEV post in the history of the forums. We all file a petition every time damage leaks through our shields @ LVL 5.

How do you get attention around here any other way? No offense CCP but, not responding seems to breed these types of threads vs. just responding and clearing things up. I mean, yeah we all could be smoking ***** here but, until you tell us we are, it just looks like powdered sugar to us.

Page six around the corner, here we goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

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Indeed, and that's what we've been doing for a while now.

I'd still advise the people without a decent graphic sig to put the link to this thread in their sig.

Can anyone tell me how to make it linkable though?

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Yes, use the brackets [*url*]your thread here[*/url] remove the aseteriks*

Or, use the Reply to Topic screen, create some text you want to be displayed as the clickable link. Then highlight that text. Next select the "little globe with a paper clip icon" just above the smiley face with sunglasses. It will create a pop up box you can enter the threads http// address. Click ok. You should see some text appear in the message box. Copy that single line the paper clip globe creates, and then paste into your bio. It ends up looking like my signature below. Hope that helps you out.

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Originally by: Rystin Timbal

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lol, you can't actually expect a dev reply here...

It would benifit Caldari! Argue the point so that it benifits Gallente and we'll get 6 BoB players and the Devs on here in seconds. No real offense intended, it just seems lately that Caldari are the nerf-bat punch bag.

The skill is broken at level 5, and takes a disproportionate amount of time to train just to use tech II hardners, which only give you a 5% bonus in themselves. But anyway, the title "Tactical Shield Manipulation" does imply it means you adjust your resistances or something more than just making sure the shield does what it's supposed to anyway...

Certainly level 5 needs to be fixed, and possibly the skill needs to be adjusted to help the shield tankers a little more, or just to make it more worthwhile to train. To be frank, a well known broken skill isn't expected from a game we pay to play.

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Originally by: Kwint Sommer

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Originally by: Rystin Timbal

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lol, you can't actually expect a dev reply here...

It would benifit Caldari! Argue the point so that it benifits Gallente and we'll get 6 BoB players and the Devs on here in seconds. No real offense intended, it just seems lately that Caldari are the nerf-bat punch bag.

The skill is broken at level 5, and takes a disproportionate amount of time to train just to use tech II hardners, which only give you a 5% bonus in themselves. But anyway, the title "Tactical Shield Manipulation" does imply it means you adjust your resistances or something more than just making sure the shield does what it's supposed to anyway...

Certainly level 5 needs to be fixed, and possibly the skill needs to be adjusted to help the shield tankers a little more, or just to make it more worthwhile to train. To be frank, a well known broken skill isn't expected from a game we pay to play.

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I'll restrain myself from tinfoil hattery becaues I want the devs to seriously consider the issues raised in this thread....That said, they really are taking their time.

It being broken at L5 isn't the biggest concern, it is the idea that it's screwing PvP shield tankers and frankly anyone in a situation in which their shields drop below 30% regardless of tank or intentions.

That extra 5% on T2 active hardeners is well worth the few days L4 takes.

Requiring L5 for capital shield tankers when their is no similar time sink for capital armor tanks is BS. I wouldn't be that bothered if the skill were helpful but it seems to be both broken at L5 which may be good if it's screwing people as I personally think it is....

This really isn't about boosting shield tanks, it's about a broken/harmful/unfair to require at L5 skill that we would like to hear from Devs about.

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Originally by: dodgy242

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It works! Tx Ar, appreciate it!

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Originally by: Kwint Sommer

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It being broken at L5 isn't the biggest concern, (1)

That extra 5% on T2 active hardeners is well worth the few days L4 takes. (2)

This really isn't about boosting shield tanks, it's about a broken/harmful/unfair to require at L5 skill that we would like to hear from Devs about. (3)

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Originally by: Rystin Timbal

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Edited by: Rystin Timbal on 26/07/2007 21:51:57

Originally by: Kwint Sommer

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It being broken at L5 isn't the biggest concern, (1)

That extra 5% on T2 active hardeners is well worth the few days L4 takes. (2)

This really isn't about boosting shield tanks, it's about a broken/harmful/unfair to require at L5 skill that we would like to hear from Devs about. (3)

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1: Disagree
2: Agree, easily. I was just trying to milk a moan :)
3: Agree, and this kinda contradicts you earlier statement.

Where the heck are the Dev's on this though? It's the longest thread in the forum and even has the request in the title...

(What's wrong with tin-foil hattery? It makes me happy...)

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Originally by: Rystin Timbal

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Certainly level 5 needs to be fixed, and possibly the skill needs to be adjusted to help the shield tankers a little more, or just to make it more worthwhile to train. To be frank, a well known broken skill isn't expected from a game we pay to play.

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Originally by: Kwint Sommer

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What ever happened to that second petition?

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5. Please do not file multiple petitions about the same subject. This will only increase the petition load and doing so repeatedly may result in actions being taken against your account.

6. Please do not file petitions to ask if your petition will be answered soon. Unfortunately the waiting time is very long at the moment but we assure you that your petition is in the queue and will be answered when the time comes.

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Originally by: Ryf

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Edited by: Ryf on 27/07/2007 20:37:38

Originally by: Kwint Sommer

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What ever happened to that second petition?

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Still no response to either my first petition (which they claimed to have answered) or my second petition (in which I inquired about the non-existant answer to my first petition).

I'm tempted to file a third petition to ask about my second petition in which I inquired about the non-existant answer to my first petition which they claimed to have closed but for which I can find no answer.

However, the following is from the CCP Petition Guidelines:

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5. Please do not file multiple petitions about the same subject. This will only increase the petition load and doing so repeatedly may result in actions being taken against your account.

6. Please do not file petitions to ask if your petition will be answered soon. Unfortunately the waiting time is very long at the moment but we assure you that your petition is in the queue and will be answered when the time comes.

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So I guess we'll all be waiting around indefinately......

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Originally by: Ilvania

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how about CCP puts this in the game makes about as much sense to me

Tactical Capacitor Management; skill at preventing the capacitor from recharing, including the use of capacitor chargers and other advanced capacitor modules. Reduces the output of the capacitor when it falls below 25% by 5% per skill level, with 0% chance at level 5.
required skill for all Amarr Capital ships.

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Originally by: Cleveland Steam

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I wish people would read the arugment thoroughly before posting "it works for me!". If you have TSM trained to levels 1-4, then yes, it does work. But @ lvl 5 it does not.

Again to recap...

Tactical Shield Manipulation I -- Works as advertised


Tactical Shield Manipulation II -- Works as advertised

Tactical Shield Manipulation III -- Works as advertised

Tactical Shield Manipulation IV -- Works as advertised

Tactical Shield Manipulation V -- DOESNT work as advertised

Yes, I have it trained to 5 and it makes me a sad panda.

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Originally by: CrestoftheStars

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if you don't bother to read the tread could you pls keep your comment out of it ? please:)

Originally by: RedLion

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I'm training this to lvl 4 :S

Sad thing is that the "bonus" from this skill really isn't any "bonus" and this bugs me... Good to know it's bugged on lvl 5 so I can get it to lvl 5 and stat getting damage through my shield on lower shield levels again.

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Originally by: dodgy242

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Originally by: RedLion

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I'm training this to lvl 4 :S

Sad thing is that the "bonus" from this skill really isn't any "bonus" and this bugs me... Good to know it's bugged on lvl 5 so I can get it to lvl 5 and stat getting damage through my shield on lower shield levels again.

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The problem is that I and others NEED it at 5 to use a module on a carrier.

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Originally by: CrestoftheStars

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if you don't bother to read the tread could you pls keep your comment out of it ? please:)

Originally by: Haradgrim

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Yay, one more completely legitimate bug that CCP has never and will never comment on!

If there are two things that I hate in this game it's:

1) stopgap skills that have no benefit and only serve as a bottle neck for more advanced skills(and thankfully there are very few).

2) CCP's complete lack of comment on issues that have a significant effect on a large portion of the player base (i.e. like the one in the OP or the realtek sound crashing issue (which they have commented on but not in a direct fashion))

Every single skill level should have a positive effect on one's character, imho.

C'mon CCP, give us an answer, you know you want to!

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Originally by: Malcanis

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A Dev saying "yeah I'll look in to it" and then nothing happening is pretty frustrating too

(I'm looking at you, Drones dev.)

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Originally by: Gone'Postal

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BUMPAGE!!!


Please fix this oh gods of eve...(read: More like drunken asshats)
*while your at it, take a look at the drones too.... Your drone Dev might be dead.

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Originally by: CrestoftheStars

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if you don't bother to read the tread could you pls keep your comment out of it ? please:)

Originally by: Drykor

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customer service my ***.

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Originally by: Drykor

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Customer service my ***.

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Originally by: Gone'Postal

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Edited by: Gone''Postal on 03/08/2007 10:16:29

Originally by: Drykor

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customer service my ***.

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Could not have said it better myself...

If I was going to the fanfest I'd take a megaphone, shove it into a devs ear and scream the name of this skill until we got an answer about there inability to fix this.


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Originally by: Drykor

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Originally by: Gone'Postal

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Edited by: Gone''Postal on 03/08/2007 10:16:29

Originally by: Drykor

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customer service my ***.

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Could not have said it better myself...

If I was going to the fanfest I'd take a megaphone, shove it into a devs ear and scream the name of this skill until we got an answer about there inability to fix this.


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Good plan, but as far as the siggy is concerned, maybe it's a better idea to just link to this thread instead, so I look at least a little constructive ;)

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Originally by: Drykor

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Customer service my ***.

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Originally by: Drykor

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Customer service my ***.

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Originally by: Gone'Postal

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Edited by: Gone''Postal on 03/08/2007 10:16:29

Originally by: Drykor

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customer service my ***.

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Could not have said it better myself...

If I was going to the fanfest I'd take a megaphone, shove it into a devs ear and scream the name of this skill until we got an answer about there inability to fix this.


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Originally by: dodgy242

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Originally by: Gone'Postal

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Edited by: Gone''Postal on 03/08/2007 10:16:29

Originally by: Drykor

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customer service my ***.

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Could not have said it better myself...

If I was going to the fanfest I'd take a megaphone, shove it into a devs ear and scream the name of this skill until we got an answer about there inability to fix this.


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If you do that and film it, I'll give you a carrier of your choice.

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Originally by: Kwint Sommer

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Originally by: dodgy242

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Originally by: Gone'Postal

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Edited by: Gone''Postal on 03/08/2007 10:16:29

Originally by: Drykor

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customer service my ***.

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Could not have said it better myself...

If I was going to the fanfest I'd take a megaphone, shove it into a devs ear and scream the name of this skill until we got an answer about there inability to fix this.


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If you do that and film it, I'll give you a carrier of your choice.

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I'll throw in a Capital Shield Booster, you know the one we have to train this skill to L5 to use.

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Originally by: Drykor

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Customer service my ***.

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Originally by: DRMALIKIA

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Edited by: DRMALIKIA on 06/08/2007 21:32:10
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Common CCP we are not asking for you to create perpetual motion here. We all simply want an answer to the questions listed. Poke your head in, let us know you care about us and our delema. By not responding, your not caring.

Why does Tactical Shield Manipulation Not work as advertised?

/|)O(

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Originally by: Cookie Snatcher

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5% less cpu usage on all shield related modules

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Originally by: Reygrimm

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This topic is such a slippery slope to debate because it's less about CCP needing to just fix it at Level 5, than it is about determining what is Best regarding the player community skills.

To most, the skill is flawed logically to begin with because people actually want damage to bleed thru to armor anytime shields actually drop below 33% so that the shield peak recharge rate occurs. (Hence if it is broke at Level 5 then most people should actually be happy at this time that it's doing nothing.)

I'd like to see the skill give an additional % mulltiplier to extend the peak recharge rate down from 33% for shields. Say 5% per level. So that say for example at max Level 5 trained, you get peak recharge at 8% equal to 33% rate. This could keep the original intent of not letting damage bleed thru to armor while at the same time not penalize the players shield regen. The numbers could be tweaked I guess since only having 8% shields left is almost at the end anyways, but every little bit counts in EVE!

ReyGrimm

P.S. I thought about instead posting to the thread in this Skills forum regarding a skill queue, because they're only up to page 5 and this is up to 7, and I'd much prefer a skill queue over this being fixed.

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Originally by: DRMALIKIA

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Please let's keep this on topic with Tactical Shield Manipulcation being fixed.

All really great points have been discussed, just frsutrating to be ignored.

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Originally by: SexxxSlave

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Originally by: Cookie Snatcher

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5% less cpu usage on all shield related modules

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you mean to say that your shield modules are giving you THAT hard of a time on CPU??

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Originally by: DRMALIKIA

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Please let's keep this on topic with Tactical Shield Manipulcation being fixed.

All really great points have been discussed, just frsutrating to be ignored.

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Originally by: Drykor

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Customer service my ***.

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Originally by: Kwint Sommer

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For those of you who think this skill is screwing shield tankers (aka. no damage leak means lower HP means lower regen means die sooner) or just want to see a different bonus or think that capital shield tankers shouldn't have a time sink capital armor tankers don't, please post in that thread while the Devs are reading it.

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Originally by: Drykor

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Customer service my ***.

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Originally by: Rid**** Valer

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If you're passive tanking, you might as well start the self destruct.

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Originally by: Astucious

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/signed

CCP: Ignoring your customers will only leave them upset... how hard is really to make a reply???

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Originally by: Kwint Sommer

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I already posted this but I want it on the last page where it will actually be seen.

There's a Dev response in the game development channel saying that it has been fixed at L5 on the test server and this fix will be going live soon.


For those of you who think this skill is screwing shield tankers (aka. no damage leak means lower HP means lower regen means die sooner) or just want to see a different bonus or think that capital shield tankers shouldn't have a time sink capital armor tankers don't. Please post in that thread while the Devs are reading it.

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No misfortune is so bad that whining about it won't make it worse

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