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Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 17:39:00 - [301] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Devilish Ledoux Edited by: Devilish Ledoux on 17/05/2007 16:14:55 Originally by: Rodj Blake While I think of it, how's Devilish getting on in Eve University? I'm doing well. Pursuing advanced degrees in Electromagnetic Physics, Electronic Engineering, Hydromagnetic Physics, Laser Physics, Mechanical Engineering, Caldari and Minmatar Starship Engineering, Molecular Engineering, Nuclear Physics, Plasma Physics, Quantum Physics, Rocket Science and Art during a war keeps me much busier than opposing PIE ever did. You know what amuses me, Rodj? Your amazing aptitude for assumption. You assumed that my leaving Star Fraction had anything to do with the campaign against you and yours. You assumed that my leaving has any effect on the combat worthiness of Star Fraction. You assumed that bringing up the fact that I'm not currently flying under Star Fraction colors is on par with the defection of Captain Konstantin Mort to Omerta Syndicate. I know that you made these assumptions because I know that you didn't bother to ask any of the questions. Point of fact, the only member of PIE who actually contacted me to ask for the reason behind my departure was Konstantin Mort, who is no longer a member of PIE. I assume that this is just a coincidence. Now, if you'd care to continue this in more a more diplomatic manner, you know where to find me. I was actually assuming that your departure had nothing to do with our conflict with your former alliance, which is why I hadn't mentioned it until after SF representatives continually implied that Capt. Mort's departure was somehow connected with the SF/PIE war. Thank you for pointing out that when someone leaves a corporation it isn't necessarily due to the actions of those that wish that corporation harm. I hope that your former colleagues will take note. There you go assuming again Rodj. As I stated plainly before, Konstantin Mort's departure means nothing more than PIE have lost their best pilot. His decision to leave is his own and has no bearing on anything here, his decision to join Omerta Syndicate means nothing and has no bearing on anything here. The only implication that was made with regard to Konstantin Mort's departure is that apparently PIE's only worthwhile combatant has left the theatre of operations. I personally wish the man well in his future endeavours and think he made the right decision to leave your worthless corporation.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.17 17:44:00 - [302] For someone who's departure means nothing, you lot sure do go on about it a lot. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 17:52:00 - [303] Originally by: Rodj Blake For someone who's departure means nothing, you lot sure do go on about it a lot. Reread my post you pedantic old fart and tell me where I said his departure meant nothing. To imply otherwise is to impune the man. His reasons are his own and have no bearing, his departure however, far from it.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.17 18:38:00 - [304] Perhaps we should all stop talking about Captain Mort before you blow a gasket. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Kovid Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 03:27:00 - [305] Edited by: Kovid on 18/05/2007 03:27:55 Edited by: Kovid on 18/05/2007 03:26:01 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Sable Schroedinger That you find us irrelevant especially in the face of another irrelevant yet not as irrelevant force as us, in the form of UÆK. If that was the case, explain to me: Why did AM war dec us to help defend you from such an irrelevant force? Why did VV war dec us to help defend you from such an irrelevant force? Why did CVA war dec us to help defend you from such an irrelevant force? Why did UI war dec us to help defend you from such an irrelevant force? Why did CAIN war dec us to help defend you from such an irrelevant force? You pulled out all the stops to crush us, and when you found yourselves being beaten back you fled. Your poisonous pride will not allow you to admit that you have been beaten like dogs and forced to flee under the skirts of the CVA, who, themselves hide behind their hapless meat shield vassals. So, instead, you vomit forth excuses of ôirrelevanceö and ômore important tasksö whilst not even pulling your weight amongst your erstwhile saviours. Even now, you trip over your past litany of excuses and lies in order to fend off the truth, and with each lie told you damn yourself in Gods eyes and prove to all around the falsehood of your faith. YouÆre a failure, a liar and only the most foolish will ever listen to a word you spew again. Well Sable. I think you just wrote the epitaph for PIE there. Bravo! Couldn't say that better myself. Jasmine was right. It was a telling summation. I bolded and underlined the section of note because it is a telling point for the exhaustive irrelevance subject. Now the fact the Sable has said it doesn't depart the fact, that people in the Amarrian bloc use this line for political dogma, even though the Amarrian empire acts in contradiction. The line of U'K is irrelevant derives from the fact they are to be reclaimed, obviously everyone knows that. But then so is everyone not Amarrian. Newsflash, I know. My point is some of the bloc say supposedly that the Republic does not exist and can not be recognized. Sound familiar? The Republic is irrelevant. That space and the people are ours! Surprise surprise! Who started this line of thinking? Was it people in the empire or PIE? Surely the arrogance of the Amarr was there already. Paramilitaries just used the "irrelevance" quote as justification and simultaneous excuse for everything. Question is how many times have they used it in the past? Revan and her Bloodveil? I can't say I payed much attention to the Amarrian bloc to know their habits to tell if it's a new excuse or old. Whatever it is, it's old, and repeated ad nausuem to cover up .... well anything. And it seems the latest new excuse is proclaiming people who point out their deficiencies like Jasmine and the whole of SF and Revan as attention *****s. Their counter is PIE is what is is. And comments like, "we serve." But can't say yes we are relevant when directly asked. Why? Because Rodj and some others have played word games, laced questions, and selectively quoted, ... again ad nauseum looking for parts to reuse later for accusations as if dressing up a scene intentionally incorrect. Freecaptains will always be there to correct you no matter how annoying you are and how incorrect. Eloquent speakers like The Cosmopolite will no doubt continue his brilliant papers. Jasmine is as ferocious on here as she is in space. All PIE has is [SERMONS], refuting of enemies, and their hopeless championing of the obsolescent Amarrian empire. You can deceive yourself if you really believe your words. But more and more will see through your deceit. Even people like the ceo of Rho Dynamics, an Amarr, have seen through it all. ---------------------------------- An informal Star Fraction FAQ \| ----------------------------------
The Recordkeeper Caldari Keepers of Knowledge	Posted - 2007.05.18 05:04:00 - [306] This appears to have been a very bitter conflict and we would appreciate the pilots of The Star Fraction sending our library staff a record of your operations and successes as requested in our other thread. We are in the process of assembling an IG database by which pod pilots can obtain information about all of the entities listed. We hope you grant our request and honor us with your record. The Recordkeeper
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 07:18:00 - [307] I must admit to getting increasingly confused. What is it that is so incomprehensible to Star Fraction? That we make an assessment of the importance of our enemies and deal with them accordingly? That we think U'K to be a far greater threat than Star Fraction? That we refuse to throw away our year long campaigns in Providence to pursue a 6 week war with Star Fraction? That we find reclaiming the remaining U'K outpost in Providence a more tempting objective than trying to evict Star Fraction from a system where they have been granted docking rights by the Empire? Let me ask you all these simple questions: If we are showing double standards in going for our enemies one by one, what did Star Fraction express when they, at the beginning of this war singled out PIE as their first enemy and didn't throw wardecs against VV, AM and CVA at the same time? If it is a double standard that we think U'K to be a greater threat than Star Fraction, then how can Star Fraction claim that to them PIE is irrelevant and a "spent" force? If we must abandon our campaigns in Providence to fight Star Fraction in Amarr, then why does Star Fraction not come running to Providence when called for by CVA? If we have no right to question Star Fractions right and ability to create their own objectives then who are they to question ours? I think the answer to these questions is rather simple: The Amarr block has made the incredible offense of not thinking of Star Fraction as the most important entity in this galaxy. This has certainly bruised the ego's of some Star Fraction pilots. Hence we are in for a neverending stream of smack, innuendo and baseless accusations - led of course by Little Jasmine Constantine on her private vendetta of smack. I respect many Star Fraction pilots among other things for acknowledging the points I've made above. For the others, perhaps you should start listening more to such reasonable people as certainly reside in Star Fraction rather than believeing the gall continously spewed forth by Little Jasmine? I first posted this question a long time ago at the beginning of this war: If you expect others to respect your right to fight whomever you want in whatever way you desire, should you not extend that same courtesy to others? Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 08:33:00 - [308] By the way, thank you to all you regressive pigdogs who are helping to keep this article in the headlines of GalNet. Perhaps someone curious as to what's going on in Domain will read this and see you for the childish worms you are, maybe I'm being too optimistic though.
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 09:24:00 - [309] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus I must admit to getting increasingly confused. What is it that is so incomprehensible to Star Fraction? That we make an assessment of the importance of our enemies and deal with them accordingly? That we think U'K to be a far greater threat than Star Fraction? That we refuse to throw away our year long campaigns in Providence to pursue a 6 week war with Star Fraction? That we find reclaiming the remaining U'K outpost in Providence a more tempting objective than trying to evict Star Fraction from a system where they have been granted docking rights by the Empire? Let me ask you all these simple questions: If we are showing double standards in going for our enemies one by one, what did Star Fraction express when they, at the beginning of this war singled out PIE as their first enemy and didn't throw wardecs against VV, AM and CVA at the same time? If it is a double standard that we think U'K to be a greater threat than Star Fraction, then how can Star Fraction claim that to them PIE is irrelevant and a "spent" force? If we must abandon our campaigns in Providence to fight Star Fraction in Amarr, then why does Star Fraction not come running to Providence when called for by CVA? If we have no right to question Star Fractions right and ability to create their own objectives then who are they to question ours? I think the answer to these questions is rather simple: The Amarr block has made the incredible offense of not thinking of Star Fraction as the most important entity in this galaxy. This has certainly bruised the ego's of some Star Fraction pilots. Hence we are in for a neverending stream of smack, innuendo and baseless accusations - led of course by Little Jasmine Constantine on her private vendetta of smack. I respect many Star Fraction pilots among other things for acknowledging the points I've made above. For the others, perhaps you should start listening more to such reasonable people as certainly reside in Star Fraction rather than believeing the gall continously spewed forth by Little Jasmine? I first posted this question a long time ago at the beginning of this war: If you expect others to respect your right to fight whomever you want in whatever way you desire, should you not extend that same courtesy to others? Every single thing you are rehashing has been asked and answered already, once again and once more you continue to bring up something that has been concisely answered. You guys are like a broken holoreel stuck on a loop, completely ignorant of anything that is going on around you. This is not about our ego, this is not about your ego. This is about coming to the realisation that you are a spent force. You are nothing. You hide under the skirts of people who achieve things in the name of Amarr and you claim their victories as your own. You are a parasite, nothing more, nothing less. Continue trying to frame an argument to better suit yourself Octavinus, you are as ineffectual here on galnet as you are in space.
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 09:42:00 - [310] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus I must admit to getting increasingly confused. What is it that is so incomprehensible to Star Fraction? That we make an assessment of the importance of our enemies and deal with them accordingly? That we think U'K to be a far greater threat than Star Fraction? That we refuse to throw away our year long campaigns in Providence to pursue a 6 week war with Star Fraction? That we find reclaiming the remaining U'K outpost in Providence a more tempting objective than trying to evict Star Fraction from a system where they have been granted docking rights by the Empire? Let me ask you all these simple questions: If we are showing double standards in going for our enemies one by one, what did Star Fraction express when they, at the beginning of this war singled out PIE as their first enemy and didn't throw wardecs against VV, AM and CVA at the same time? If it is a double standard that we think U'K to be a greater threat than Star Fraction, then how can Star Fraction claim that to them PIE is irrelevant and a "spent" force? If we must abandon our campaigns in Providence to fight Star Fraction in Amarr, then why does Star Fraction not come running to Providence when called for by CVA? If we have no right to question Star Fractions right and ability to create their own objectives then who are they to question ours? I think the answer to these questions is rather simple: The Amarr block has made the incredible offense of not thinking of Star Fraction as the most important entity in this galaxy. This has certainly bruised the ego's of some Star Fraction pilots. Hence we are in for a neverending stream of smack, innuendo and baseless accusations - led of course by Little Jasmine Constantine on her private vendetta of smack. I respect many Star Fraction pilots among other things for acknowledging the points I've made above. For the others, perhaps you should start listening more to such reasonable people as certainly reside in Star Fraction rather than believeing the gall continously spewed forth by Little Jasmine? The problem is, that isn't what was being said from the outset, nor did it reflect what was being said. Instead, excuses and lies were thrown around, and THAT is what we've objected to. Originally by: Octavinus Augustus I first posted this question a long time ago at the beginning of this war: If you expect others to respect your right to fight whomever you want in whatever way you desire, should you not extend that same courtesy to others? We most certainly respect others rights to fight whomever they desire - its a core tenant of the SF ROE. We do not share standings nor do we fight someone just because we are told to do so - we likewise extend the same to others. Now, sadly, due to being somewhat cynical, I expect this comment will led to a rather ropey line of logic that claims we should not fight you or should not be surprised when we are (in PIE's words) ignored by you. Again, if that was the truth, I'm sure we would accept it. But it isn't, quite blatantly. The truth of the matter is, we are sickened by the constant stream of lies spewed forth by your colleagues. Lies we have time and again exposed only to watch them wriggle till they can settle into a new set of lies. Rodj and Archbishop have shown nothing but dishonour, cowardice, hypocrisy and lies whilst constantly trying to accuse others of those traits. Its sickening, offensive, puerile and flies in the face of every human trait we collectively admire. We came to the throne worlds to fight the root of the disease that is imperialist thinking amongst the capsuleer caste. Instead of a titanic ideological battle, we found a rotting, diseased parasite willing to say or do anything to save face whilst living off the actions of those around them. PIE is a disease, just one far more pitiful that the one we came here to fight and one far more dangerous to its allies than it is to the c -------------------------------------------- Join Now

Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 09:57:00 - [311] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 18/05/2007 09:57:42 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 18/05/2007 09:55:30 Originally by: Sable Schroedinger The problem is, that isn't what was being said from the outset, nor did it reflect what was happening in space. Instead, excuses and lies were thrown around, and THAT is what we've objected to. It also important to note, this war started before the main push for Unity and the lies predate that by some margin. You are correct that you declared war on us before the assault on 9UY began. However, you neglected to mention that PIE's priority at that time was ensuring the safety of Brother Joshua and those individuals associated with his investigation. You may recall that Brother Joshua's work in the Kor-Azor region was completed despite your declaration of war on us. Once Brother Joshua had passed judgement on Articio Kor-Azor, we started preparing for the current Providence campaign. Our analysis was and continues to be that Brother Joshua's investigation and the ongoing threat posed by the U'K are both more important issues than the actions of the Star Fraction. Sable, I won't respond to the rest of your statement owing to the insulting tone in which it was presented. If you wish to see a response from me on those issues, I suggest you rephrase them in less insulting tones. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.18 11:10:00 - [312] Originally by: Rodj Blake You are correct that you declared war on us before the assault on 9UY began. However, you neglected to mention that PIE's priority at that time was ensuring the safety of Brother Joshua and those individuals associated with his investigation. You may recall that Brother Joshua's work in the Kor-Azor region was completed despite your declaration of war on us. Once Brother Joshua had passed judgement on Articio Kor-Azor, we started preparing for the current Providence campaign. Our analysis was and continues to be that Brother Joshua's investigation and the ongoing threat posed by the U'K are both more important issues than the actions of the Star Fraction. Sable, I won't respond to the rest of your statement owing to the insulting tone in which it was presented. If you wish to see a response from me on those issues, I suggest you rephrase them in less insulting tones. So you assisted in the investigation and presumably the subsequent dismemberment of one of the Heirs. And what, pray tell, has this done for the Empire, other than lose it one functional Heir? I've never been a fan of your hoplessly antiquated form of government, but even I can see that it works better when you have an Heir that does not rely on machines to prevent his bodily functions from ceasing instantly. Where were you, pray tell, when U'K and its allies destroyed the CVA capital shipyards with nearly no loss to show for it?
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 11:17:00 - [313] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 18/05/2007 11:16:08 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Where were you, pray tell, when U'K and its allies destroyed the CVA capital shipyards with nearly no loss to show for it? I was accompanying elements of the CVA fleet when the U'K destroyed the least valuable structure in the X-R3 system. I later assisted in the destruction of the structure that the U'K put up in its place. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 12:19:00 - [314] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 18/05/2007 11:16:08 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Where were you, pray tell, when U'K and its allies destroyed the CVA capital shipyards with nearly no loss to show for it? I was accompanying elements of the CVA fleet when the U'K destroyed the least valuable structure in the X-R3 system. I later assisted in the destruction of the structure that the U'K put up in its place. He means ... "I was hiding in a POS" (then when the bulk of the enemies left and IAC arrived to help) "left the pos and helped shoot another POS". And lets be fair, it was the bulk of PIE's role in the "great providence war" so give him his due. Star Fraction is recruiting
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 12:24:00 - [315] It seems Ms Nekumi has decided to believe the propaganda of Little Jasmine Constantine rather than the voices of reason that yet exist in the Star Fraction. That we are incapable of operation and consequently must have abandoned Brother Joshua to his fate (which apparently was to clone jump from a starship in space leaving his passengers behind, who incidentally weren't there at all - all according to Little Jasmine). That we are cowards who run and hide from fighting (that we have decided to hide in the middle of a 0.0 warzone merely prove that we are not very intelligent cowards by the look of it). That our space fleet have mysteriously self imploded leaving us a "spent force" sometime after the wardec of Star Fraction - where they assumed us to be capable enemies (instead of assuming the obvious - that we have decided not to deploy it against Star Fraction). I guess it's easier for Ms Nekumi to believe this than it is to believe that we have chosen to prioritize other targets above Star Fraction. I guess the notion of Star Fraction not being all-important is simply unbearable for some. It is still worth to note however, that all is not lost. I do believe that several Star Fraction pilots has admitted to the operations regarding Brother Joshua was an Amarrian success and others have implicitly acknowledged that the policy in this war is a priority choice rather than anything else. I'll leave this topic for now and instead move on to comment on the thoughts of Mr Schroedinger - that looks to be a discussion of some real value after all. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 12:31:00 - [316] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus I must admit to getting increasingly confused. Sadly Octavinus that is your own fault. Being in a corporation that claims to "defend the empire" and "fight for Amarrian supremacy" and then fails to fight at every turn and runs away from the tiniest threat (even those termed "irrelevant" by your leadership) must be a very confusing matter indeed. It must be hard to face immediate annhilation in space in the throne worlds from those you consider beneath your notice, it must be terrible to see your forces scattered and morale broken and the golden fleet reduced to galnet posting. Confusing times indeed. But lets stop with the fiction that you actually doing anything in providence shall we? You aren't. We've patrolled providence from top to bottom, from left to right, from Unity to Inflatable house and you aren't doing anything substantive there whatsoever either. You have a guy in an assault frigate that rats in R3. You have Rodj in his carrier that assigns fighters from inside a POS shield once a week. You have a battleship pilot that flies inside 18 man CVA gangs occassionally. But thats it. If these lonely three souls are the great PIE contribution to the anti Ushra'khan landgrab CVA are making then your corporation is every bit the diminished and broken remnant we say it is. You are less relevant to the CVA interests in providence that the merest lowsec vassal corp is - you have no significant forces and are making no impact. This fact alone demonstrates that your retreat from throne worlds was nothing whatsoever with wanting to play a part in this "great war" and simply an excuse to avoid getting humiliated by us directly in Amarr night after night after night. Pushed from pillar to post. Driven from every sanctuary and living like hobos in somebody else's POS. Three pilots do not a corporation make and PIE today is a pathetic remnant of what it was before. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 12:37:00 - [317] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 18/05/2007 12:36:12 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine You have Rodj in his carrier that assigns fighters from inside a POS shield once a week. That comment perfectly sums up your knowledge of the current Providence conflict. As for your oft-repeated comment that we only have three active pilots, simply laughable. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 12:37:00 - [318] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus It seems Ms Nekumi has decided to believe the propaganda of Little Jasmine Constantine rather than the voices of reason that yet exist in the Star Fraction. That we are incapable of operation and consequently must have abandoned Brother Joshua to his fate (which apparently was to clone jump from a starship in space leaving his passengers behind, who incidentally weren't there at all - all according to Little Jasmine). That we are cowards who run and hide from fighting (that we have decided to hide in the middle of a 0.0 warzone merely prove that we are not very intelligent cowards by the look of it). That our space fleet have mysteriously self imploded leaving us a "spent force" sometime after the wardec of Star Fraction - where they assumed us to be capable enemies (instead of assuming the obvious - that we have decided not to deploy it against Star Fraction). I guess it's easier for Ms Nekumi to believe this than it is to believe that we have chosen to prioritize other targets above Star Fraction. I guess the notion of Star Fraction not being all-important is simply unbearable for some. It is still worth to note however, that all is not lost. I do believe that several Star Fraction pilots has admitted to the operations regarding Brother Joshua was an Amarrian success and others have implicitly acknowledged that the policy in this war is a priority choice rather than anything else. I'll leave this topic for now and instead move on to comment on the thoughts of Mr Schroedinger - that looks to be a discussion of some real value after all. Considering I've been on the field and witnessed your craveness in actuality I find it amusing that you assume I am falling for any propaganda whatsoever but then again it's easier to assume I am some idiotic slave to someone else than to accept that the things I say are based on events I have witnessed directly. Once again you try to bring up that pathetic whine that Star Fraction only sought to break your organisation for it's own self-importance and once again I'll remind you that this is simply not the case. Your mindset is warped if you believe that we think at all alike. Now next to Brother Joshua and the Amarrian block escort. I have not mentioned it before despite your implication to the contrary. The circumstances around Joshua's mysterious relocation are unimportant to me personally. He got where he was going and yes that is a victory. It is however a good point to raise because it once again highlights your glorious ability to claim the victory of something that was achieved by a host of Amarrian organisations. On the backs of others you ride tall Octavinus. Keep up the crowing, it is all you have left and has been for a time now.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 12:43:00 - [319] I know we're fine with letting history decide. Are you Star Fraction also willing to let history decide or do you intend to sit here and continue screaming hoping people believe you? Either way when the next successful mission for the Empire is completed and PIE again is in the news as having served I imagine you'll be no where to be found. Don't worry.... we won't bring this up then.... after all reputation takes years to build and as stated we'll just let history decide where we fall into the chain of galactic events. How about you? Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:01:00 - [320] Originally by: Archbishop I know we're fine with letting history decide. Are you Star Fraction also willing to let history decide or do you intend to sit here and continue screaming hoping people believe you? Either way when the next successful mission for the Empire is completed and PIE again is in the news as having served I imagine you'll be no where to be found. Don't worry.... we won't bring this up then.... after all reputation takes years to build and as stated we'll just let history decide where we fall into the chain of galactic events. How about you? Archbishop Your addled words confuse me Archbishop, you say this like you or Star Fraction has a choice. Or is this the lead in for when you finally emerge from beneath CVA skirts on another daring escapade involving core stabilised, cloaking transport ships. As to the tone of any of my replies, I can assure you my voice has not been raised in anger or worry a single time but continue to live with that delusion too.

Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:11:00 - [321] Originally by: Rodj Blake That comment perfectly sums up your knowledge of the current Providence conflict. As for your oft-repeated comment that we only have three active pilots, simply laughable. Truth hurts doesn't it ? Star Fraction is recruiting
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:14:00 - [322] Edited by: Octavinus Augustus on 18/05/2007 13:11:59 Crap - IGS "ate" my post. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:14:00 - [323] When Devilish left SF your best pilot left and he left because he was so sick of the egocentrical and incomptent leadership of the blabbering Constaspins! Truth because I say it? Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:22:00 - [324] Originally by: Tharrn When Devilish left SF your best pilot left and he left because he was so sick of the egocentrical and incomptent leadership of the blabbering Constaspins! Truth because I say it? I do chuckle at what you have become Tharrn, I really do Star Fraction is recruiting
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:24:00 - [325] Originally by: Tharrn When Devilish left SF your best pilot left and he left because he was so sick of the egocentrical and incomptent leadership of the blabbering Constaspins! Truth because I say it? I miss Devilish and he did leave and he is a good pilot. That's about all you got right.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:24:00 - [326] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake That comment perfectly sums up your knowledge of the current Providence conflict. As for your oft-repeated comment that we only have three active pilots, simply laughable. Truth hurts doesn't it ? The comment that I was referring to was the one that you made regarding me sitting behind a starbase forcefield and assigning fighters. Clearly, neither you nor any of your associates have seen me do this, as I have not done such a thing in the current campaign. The fact of the matter is that it's another one of your made-up assertions, along with the one that we struggle to have more than three pilots active at any one time. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:27:00 - [327] Quote: The fact of the matter is that it's another one of your made-up assertions, along with the one that we struggle to have more than three pilots active at any one time. It is what they do Rodj. Scream and scream and scream and hope some part of it "sticks" with the people who read it. It's kind of like throwing gunk at a wall where you hope some of it sticks while the rest runs off to the ground. The nice thing to note though is the wall was clean when it was first thrown. It can be cleaned again. People can look at the gunk but they see it for what it is.... and they see who threw it.... and they remember it is a clean wall after all. It doesn't stick. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:33:00 - [328] Originally by: Archbishop Quote: The fact of the matter is that it's another one of your made-up assertions, along with the one that we struggle to have more than three pilots active at any one time. It is what they do Rodj. Scream and scream and scream and hope some part of it "sticks" with the people who read it. It's kind of like throwing gunk at a wall where you hope some of it sticks while the rest runs off to the ground. The nice thing to note though is the wall was clean when it was first thrown. It can be cleaned again. People can look at the gunk but they see it for what it is.... and they see who threw it.... and they remember it is a clean wall after all. It doesn't stick. Archbishop There is no wall any more Archbishop, it fell down a long time ago. The only gunk near you is the gunk that has slowly gathered between your legs and now covers you.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:40:00 - [329] Originally by: Nekumi Originally by: Tharrn When Devilish left SF your best pilot left and he left because he was so sick of the egocentrical and incomptent leadership of the blabbering Constaspins! Truth because I say it? I miss Devilish and he did leave and he is a good pilot. That's about all you got right. See, the same is true for the pilots that recently left PIE and VV, which Jasmine tried to spin into some sort of forum 'victory'. That was the point. We don't crow every time one of your members leaves, point fingers and yell 'See, see! They are falling apart! The leadership is failing!'. It's would be a pretty dumb assumption anyways, but those are Constaspin's specialty after all. Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:45:00 - [330] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger It also important to note, this war started before the main push for Unity and the lies predate that by some margin. I disagree for one main reason: The providence campaign has been waged for well over a year and the current assault on 9UY is just the most recent operation in that campaign. Furthermore we have known it was coming for quite some time and spent our time preparing for it. Originally by: Sable Schroedinger Now, sadly, due to being somewhat cynical, I expect this comment will led to a rather ropey line of logic that claims we should not fight you or should not be surprised when we are (in PIE's words) ignored by you. I think you'll find that I and the remainder of the Amarr block may well question your policies but not your right to make them. There is a clear distinction between the two. Originally by: Sable Schroedinger The truth of the matter is, we are sickened by the constant stream of lies spewed forth by your colleagues. Lies we have time and again exposed only to watch them wriggle till they can settle into a new set of lies. Rodj and Archbishop have shown nothing but dishonour, cowardice, hypocrisy and lies whilst constantly trying to accuse others of those traits. Its sickening, offensive, puerile and flies in the face of every human trait we collectively admire. PIE and the rest of the Amarr Block has been able to wage many wars for a long time without them degrading into smack campaigns. In fact the only two that has done so (during my time as a capsuleer) are this one and the one surrounding Revan Neferis last year. Even in that war many of Revan's mercenaries remained on cordial terms with the Amarr block. Now how is this war different? There is one person who went into this war with the express purpose of smearing PIE's reputation - rather than our ability to fight. There is one person who has worked tirelessly to do just that. The vast majority of the smack concerning this war stems from the SF "war diaries". Try reading those diaries and think "How would I react if someone posted this way regarding me". You will find, I believe, that most of the smack has started right there - with Amarr pilots getting angry with the baseless accusations and innuendo of those diaries, replying in an angry state and when you read their posts you have then replied in kind. You speak also of lies. Most lies (on both sides) can be defended as differing interpretations of various situations. So let us stick top the factual lies. I can easily point you to several of those being repeated over and over again: That of PIE being unable to show more than 3 people online at a time. That of PIE being unable to enter Amarr when we so desire. Etc. I know both Rodj Blake and Archbishop well. They're upstanding people and far from the smackartists you make them out to be (as evidenced by the long yet honorable war PIE has waged upon U'K). Yet they are zealots for their cause and if someone waves a red flag in front of them, they will answer the challenge in kind. They may both from time to time lack the ability to see when the discussions have seized to hold any point - but that can be said of a lot of us. I realize that this statement may be viewed as disloyal to my own organisation, but I guess I'm willing to take any consequences. I believe one pilot has consistently been waving flags here on IGS since day one of this war. I believe that person is more or less singlehandedly responsible for the current state of the debate here on IGS. I believe that person has singlehandedly dragged us all through the mud. That is the one person involved in this war for whom I hold nothing but contempt. You should be able to guess of whom I speak. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.



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