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Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 02:07:00 - [1] Light Skirmishing with Aegis Militia Following the epic fleet battle in Ashab in the previous week this period of the war has been marked by a gradually diminishing Amarrian fleet presence in the Throne Worlds as their stamina for the fight began to flag and left their remaining combative captains more and more exposed to Star Fraction patrols and enduring presence. The beginning of week five was certainly very slow with Star Fraction interceptor wings eliminating a diverse collection of tech1 cruisers (4 assorted hulls) and pair of Amarrian bloc interceptors at the loss of a pair of Taranis class interceptors on our side. More Amarrian capsuleers were executed in the wreckage of their ships to the general satisfaction of involved Free Captains. Aegis Militia suppressing operations continued the following day with a further 4 Fraction Interceptors and a lone Thorax class Cruiser downed by Amarrian bloc forces in exchange for a pair of AM Battleships, and a large selection of Amarrian bloc vessels of all smaller classes shattered and left as wrecked husks for the scavengers to loot (4 tech1 Cruisers, 3 Interceptors, 5 tech1 frigates, and 8 capsules) An embarrassing turnaround that taught us some respect for the CAIN pilots followed however, with frigate jockey Maze LaÆZie managing to down a pair of SF Crow Interceptors in separate engagements including one victory against Tabula Rasa ôaceö Sakura Nihil while the Amarrian bloc pilot was piloting a Kestrel! Sakura was a little embarrassed to say the least. Fortunes of War û Good day for AM, bad day for the CVA Skirmishing on the CVA controlled borderlands to Providence saw the destruction of a loyalist Drake class Battlecruiser and pair of tech2 frigates to no loss from the SF forces, while elsewhere in the throne worlds AM came out the marginal winners of a Rupture on Rupture engagement with a cruiser loss each and AM pilot Dake Darkstalker managing to unship SF captain Tareen Kashaar from a reinforcement Rifter class frigate. Worse would come however, and over the course of a bloody afternoon the Star Fraction lost a pair of Battleships (Abaddon and Raven) to a well-planned Aegis Militia ambush in Amarr Prime, and then went on to lose a Zealot class Heavy Assault Cruiser and Curse class Recon to skirmishing against a heavier group in Madirmiliar system the AM logistics base. The arrival of seasoned Star Fraction patrol leader Axen Vormar steadied things a little in response and striking back against the loyalists and their creatures we were able to eliminate a Vagabond class HAC, Myrmidon class Battlecruiser, and pair of tech1 frigates with no further loss and some pride regained as AM forces decided to cut their losses and go to ground. Matters then saw a definite upswing for Star Fraction fortunes as a CVA heavy patrol arrived in the vicinity of Amarr and sent their noted Gallente mercenary ôGarreckö to tempt our pilots to aggress his Megathron class Battleship under the shadow of the dead Amarrian Emperor at the Academy school. We knew it to be trap (and the Amarrians had many reinforcements one system over) but then, so did we. I gave the orders to undock my Hyperion and locked all sensors and weapons on GarreckÆs ship and released a cloud of berserker drones as I ordered close range engagement and prepared for the inevitable reinforcement wave of Amarrians rushing to intervene. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 02:08:00 - [2] GarreckÆs vessel was rapidly buckling under my assault even as a group of seven CVA vessels exited warp and came to their comradeÆs aid as he desperately tried to stay alive long enough to triumph. To no avail though, I kept all guns on Garreck even as my own ship began to fail under the volume of incoming fire and saw him engulfed in flames and structural failure a full minute before my own vessel died in the heroic effort of soaking all offensive efforts of the CVA reinforcements. Unfortunately for them, our own reinforcements had used their distraction to get into position and now pounced with great fury and swiftly destroyed a pair of CVA ArmageddonÆs and frigate tacklers, and managed to execute HardinÆs sister Siobhan in the wreckage of her ship while forcing the other loyalist fighters into a wild retreat. For some the retreat wasnÆt wild enough and CVA warrior ôWhiskey Nineö was pursued into Sarum Prime where he was caught and destroyed, losing his Zealot Class Heavy Assault Cruiser and his life in the capsule scrambled and eliminated by the victorious Star Fraction gang to complete a total route of Amarrian combat forces and the purging of their taint from the Throne worlds. So much for the CVA. AM and CVA withdraw the Concord War Decs The following day we received notification that both the Aegis Militia and CVA had petitioned Concord to withdraw and nullify their sanctioned wardecs and soon after both entities were observed moving their forces from their Throne World bases. AM moved their heavy assets from Madimiliar system to Mista system (the last hisec post at the head of the lowsec pipe into providence through Misaba) and this seemed an obvious preparation for their participation for imminent hostilities between the CVA and UshraÆkhan in Providence. While for their part, the CVA simply withdrew all vessels from High Security space altogether, melting back towards their low security bases and the protection of their legions of meatshield class allies in lower Domain. We spent the day harrying the retreats and logistical moves and managed to score the destruction of a Dominix Battleship, pair Battlecruisers, Rook and Pilgrim class Recon cruisers and a collection of tech1 cruisers and frigates carrying these loyalists towards their Providence staging posts. Cost to SF fleet assets is minor, with a Rapier class Recon cruiser and an Ishkur class Assault frigate falling to last gasp Amarrian bloc hostility. Final blow in the SF vs CVA sanctioned war is stuck by Star Fraction at 23:04 on May 3rd with a light patrol of free captains eliminating GarreckÆs Thorax class cruiser and podding the Amarrian sympathiser in the wreckage of his ship in just execution of this hired dog. PIE alone. For first time since 24 hours into the SF wardec PIE Inc now stood alone against the Star Fraction. Lonely and stripped of support and only now feeling obliged to make a show of some of their own assets in this war they made a rather shoddy spectacle. Still, seemingly goaded by my own words in the previous war-diary, PIE did bring a pair of Harbinger class Battlecruisers flanking an Armageddon class Battleship for an early morning into Amarr for a cruise to seemingly disapprove my assertion that they couldnÆt keep ômore than two ships in space in Amarr.ö Well, the engagement that followed didnÆt do much for PIEÆs morale thatÆs for sure. For the loss of a pair of tech1 cruisers (Thorax and Vexor) the Amarrian mini patrol was crushed, with the Battleship destroyed and GavenÆs Harbinger blown to bits and the remaining Battlecruiser ôone shipö forced into a rapid and humiliating retreat. Still, if weÆd known this would be the last sighting of these people in ships larger than frigates weÆd have made more of an occasion but you live and learn. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 02:10:00 - [3] The remainder of the weekend would see PIE sporting Interceptor patrols in the Throne Worlds while elsewhere the Amarrian Bloc were taking part in the first major attack on the UshraÆkhan Unity Station in Providence. And as the CVA led Amarrian bloc managed to get utterly slaughtered at 9UY by an unexpected reinforced and resurgent UshraÆkhan these lonely PIE remnants managed to trade 3 of their own interceptors for two of ours to celebrate their four year of existence in the cluster in remarkably lacklustre style. Aegis Militia Re-Wardec (once again) For the third time now Aegis Militia declared Concord sanctioned war against the Star Fraction and having received a mauling on their holiday in Providence were back looking for targets of opportunity in Empire again. TheyÆd managed to complete their logistics move to Mista in the absence of the wardec with us and were now quite well established at the top of the Misaba pipe and presented themselves conveniently as the primary focus of our week six offensive options. Early fighting saw the destruction of an AM Myrmidon Class Battlecruiser, Hawk class Assault ship, Stiletto class Interceptor and Buzzard Class Covert ops (which managed to drop a cloak this time!) and two executed capsules to round out the score. On the downside SF lost a Huginn class recon cruiser, and later in the day a Crow class interceptor (this one to PIE pilot Captain Constantinus) but in the latter case vengeance was immediate and Constantinus lost his Retribution class Assault frigate immediately after. Still the fighting at this stage was slow enough to spare SF patrols the opportunity to harass the lowsec allies of the CVA on the Misaba pipe and we were happy to remove an enemy Hyperion class Battleship and Drake class Battlecruiser from the theatre for no losses as the chance arose. AM take significant losses in heavy fighting With increasing numbers of Aegis Militia pilots drifting back to the Mista base following the disastrous failed intervention in Providence the pressure was on for them to score some kind of victory against Star Fraction that their propagandists could market on their internal war-diaries as a result. This did have the fortunate side effect of making them more frisky than usual however, and our vessels were on hand to hand them defeat after defeat in their new home base in a sequence of results which we imagine were not quite what commander Svetlana had ordered. Early on Tuesday 8th our forces began a spree that would end in the destruction of four AM Battleships (Raven, Dominix, Armageddon, Rokh) a Prophesy Class Battlecruiser and 4 Blackbird Class Cruisers for minimal friendly losses (Brutix Class Battlecruiser and a Crow class interceptor.) This seemed to rock the confidence of the Aegis Militia and combined with the murmurs we were receiving of the imminent departure of the Intaki Union from their ranks stole all obvious motivation and spark from their activities. Overconfidence however can be fatal, and counting on the complete suppression of the AM assets in an early morning raid a pair of Star Fraction captains paid a heavy price for misjudging the relative capabilities of their targets and two fine Deimos class Heavy Assault Cruisers were lost for the defeat of a single Arbitrator class Cruiser on the AM side. Painful, but nothing we couldnÆt replace, and chastened by the knowledge that our foe still possessed the ability to hurt us we returned to the fight with efforts redoubled. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 02:11:00 - [4] In the next 24 hours we increased our presence in Mista System and began to turn the screws on Aegis Militia nerve with round the clock patrols and ever faster reaction time. It was hard fighting and we took losses, but for the cost of a Megathron class Battleship, a Sleipnir Class Command ship, 2 Thoraxes, 2 Assault ships and 4 Interceptor class vessels we were able to eliminate an impressive total of Aegis Militia kills including: Five Battleships (2x Dominix, Maelstrom, Raven, Armageddon) 1 Battlecruiser (Myrmidon) 8 assorted tech1 Cruisers, and a Hawk class Assault frigate. This seemed to kick the wind out of Aegis MilitiaÆs sails, and there would be no further sighting of their ships in space for the following 24 hours, with only PIE stalwart Kostantin Mort prepared to contest our dominance of the Throne worlds and losing a Vengeance class assault frigate and his pod for his pains. The Lone PIE Captain /Cirale is the wilderness Warrior Kostantin Mort remained about the only constant in our Throne world campaign and seemed the sole representative of PIE prepared to hold their honour something worth defending. But meanwhile our patrols continued to range far and wide in suppression operations against the CVA lowsec allies on the Misaba pipe and in separate incidents we were able to add victories against a further three Aegis Militia vessels (Typhoon, Vexor, Raptor) in isolated incidents. A malfunction in navigational systems meanwhile leads Free Captain Cirale into the depths of providence where he scores kills against a whole variety of CVA-friendly vassals and notching up a veritable storehouse of loot in his cargo bay before passing out a moon in 9UY4-H and waking up primary for a group of CVA sniping battleships. Scratch one Vagabond. Ah well, Cirale is still a hero for us! Scourging of the Borderlands. Meanwhile in empire space Aegis Militia focus is growing critically divided between the High security base in Mista and nullsec patrols alongside the CVA in the growing Providence campaign. It seems some of their commanders desire the ôgloryö of acting as sub-lieutenants for the Amarrians nullsec wings while others prefer to remain focused on the war against the Star Fraction. Confusion is quite evident amongst their ranks and as the dissolution and withdrawal of Intaki Union from the alliance is noted, the presence of remaining AM fleet assets in any combat zone is profoundly limited. As a result of this split attention and indecision SF is able to bypass Mista entirely and concentrate on bringing chaos and consternation to the lowsec allies of the CVA in lower Domain. For the loss of a single Enyo class Assault Frigate the SF raiding parties are able to score the destruction of a pair of Dominix Class battleships, a Damnation class Command ship, 3 more Battlecruisers, an unsightly Retriever class mining barge, and even a Manticore class Stealth bomber for the sake of completeness. Sole AM participation is marked by the loss of a SF Vexor class cruiser to DÆagon Picard in Mista and the destruction of an AM Thorax in Airshaz. PIE participation is even more limited with a lone Malediction class interceptor the only offer in their own defence (destroyed by Imran in Mista system). Battleship engagements and Borderland Interdiction Saturday 12th began with a pair of SF losses in Mista and lower Domain with a Brutix Class Battlecruiser and Jaguar class assault Frigate falling to AM and CVA respectively. Mustering reinforcements to Mista matters then swung from side to side with a sequence of swift engagements seeing SF lose a further pair of Battleships (Tempest and Raven) while Aegis Militia themselves would suffer the elimination of an Armageddon (Pagan God) Typhoon (DÆagon Picard) and Raven (Ayari) with a pair of tech1 cruisers (Celestis and Blackbird) joining the butchers bill to leave Star Fraction in full control of Mista. But much much better was to come. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 02:13:00 - [5] Informed through channels that UshraÆkhan and allies had successfully begun a siege at the CVA capital system at X-R3NM system in Providence, the Free Captains held an impromptu planning session and decided to play a role in the fighting there by holding Misaba/R3 on the route to X-R3NM that evening and wreaking havoc on the CVA supply lines. And what havoc! Over a three hour period on patrol in Misaba/R3 (while the CVA capital shipyards in X-R system were being attacked by the UshraÆkhan and friends) û the Star Fraction heavy combat group of 25 mixed vessels was able to destroy: 14 CVA and allied Battleships of various types,1 Nighthawk Class Command Ship, and 17 lesser vessels and capsules from Battlecruiser to frigate grade. All at the cost of a single Megathron class Battleship and lone Claw class Interceptor. Each of these targets was CVA friendly and showed intention of answering the muster at the CVA capital system and all were -10 flagged to Star Fraction for clear and noted past hostility to our vessels. We made one single targeting mishap and blew up an Executer class single seat frigate with a neutral pilot who was later contacted and fully compensated (accepted) for the loss with our apologies. Keynote engagement of the evening was a brutal close range fight under gate-gun fire on the Misaba side of the Misaba/R3 gate with SF forces aggressing and engaging a bait Raven from North Star Confederation and coming under immediate counter attack from CVA pilots arriving with a Nighthawk class Command ship and a pair of battleships to bolster additional local allied forces streaming in during the battle. All CVA forces were eliminated alongside a pair of local CVA allied Ravens with absolutely zero Star Fraction losses. After the battle a somewhat shamefaced Staazimprimus (Armageddon) was heard to remark: Quote: [ 2007.05.12 23:23:58 ] Staaziprimus > bah perhaps i need to give up my preaching career Quite the significant victory then, and with CVA scrambling to join the massive combined fleet with IAC in their capital it was quite noticeable that they cared little for the defence of the many Providence residents theyÆd been able to bully into aggressing Star Fraction vessels on previous false pretences. And meanwhile the news came out that the UshraÆkhan had succeeded in their mission and the CVA capital ship yards had exploded while the balance of the Amarrian bloc fleet had crouched in terror behind a neighbouring POS. Success for them, and our congratulations go out to the UshraÆkhan planners and strategists who oversaw this dramatic and penetrating fightback against Amarrian providence. Long may it continue! Even Star Fraction Logistics are Deadly! In the wake of the Aegis Milita switch of base to Mista and the near complete absence of PIE from the throne worlds in the two weeks previous it was time to refocus our own efforts and bringing our full logistical capabilities to bear we shifted our entire firebase from Amarr Prime to Mista System in about 12 hours under the astonished eyes of the Aegis Militia skirmish elements detailed to stop us. Our old enemy Ladel Teravada seemed resolved to make things as difficult as possible in the early phases of the operation and even had the temerity to organise a multiple Battleship gang on the Mista to Murzi gate to harass our fleet moves but this didnÆt last long. I undocked from our chosen station in Mista and engaging a bait Myrmidon to test the mettle of the foe found myself engaged by LadelÆs Raven in turn with the rest of his gang waiting in reserve. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 02:14:00 - [6] Well, who am I to refuse such an invitation? I switched fire to LadelÆs ship and began to brutalise his shields with the tech2 mega Neutron cannons from my Megathron and scrambled his warp drive for good measure while calling in our reinforcements from out of system. LadelÆs ship died helplessly scrambled and jammed and blown to bits from seven different directions and his gang mates fled like started sheep in high panic while Ladel lamented the disproportionate use of force in local comms. Quite the example was made apparent, and it marked the last attempt AM would make to organise a formal gate camp against our logistics movement that day! Still, some scattered interdiction attempts remained with AM vessels linking up with a lone PIE interceptor (surprise there I know!) to try to engage the one way shuttles our captains were using on one leg of the relocation journey. No notable success for the Amarrian bloc here though. And in fact it was a PIE pilot whose shuttle was destroyed first (Nuyan Zahedi) who go on to be executed for his presence in the Throne Worlds by SF pilot Hailstorm for his pains. Most embarrassing loss of the day went to PIE interceptor pilot Merdaneth who was caught while trying to hassle SF shuttles in a Crusader class vessel sporting a fitted warp core stabiliser unit in its loadout. Shocking really, not sure what he was hoping to catch with that load-out besides billboards. But the Star Fraction logistics rolled on and the Aegis Militia pilots died all the same, with a Drake class Battlecruiser (Longshots) falling victim to ôdock/undock gamesö trying to tease a SF Megathron, Myrmidon and Absolution at the undock ports of the AM station in Mista û always a bad end for a ship and a complete waste of its capabilities in such activities. In frustration at the steadily increasing SF numbers in Mista system the AM pilots even tried challenging Free Captains to duels to get a balanced fight. We agreed of course, and the Vexor class cruiser of Kra RA was destroyed in a brief brutal 1v1 against the Thorax class cruiser of Jonny Damordred. Kra RA is to be applauded for having the courage to challenge us of course, and itÆs certainly better than doing nothing or dying in fruitless docking and undocking manoeuvres for sure. Finally, I did manage to personally teach brand new Aegis Militia pilot Dioma GoJu just how dangerous Star Fraction logistics could be when I caught and blew up his Harpy class Assault Frigate in my Oneiros class Logistics cruiser. Consider it friendly welcome, I sure hope Svetlana told you to pack your own bodybag! Good bye mr Mort. Usually the departure of a single war enemy pilot from the ranks of the foe is not worthy of comment (and literally dozens have quit the Amarrian cause since the beginning of hostilities) but with Kostantin Mort weÆll make an exception. This pilot has been the backbone of PIE IncÆs presence in space in the throne worlds during this conflict and has probably scored more final blows against Star Fraction vessels than the rest of his corporation put together. He is not the greatest combat pilot in known space but his spirit and dedication is implacable û he never gives up and has been the only member of PIE prepared to fight duels and try his personal talents against a wide range of Star Fraction interceptor pilots of all experience levels. In the six weeks of fighting so far Kostantin Mort has destroyed 15 Star Fraction Interceptors and 3 Assault Frigates and claimed 8 Free Captain lives with capsule executions. In turn he has lost 19 Interceptors and 1 Assault Frigate and been through 12 incarnations himself. That might not sound like a particularly noteworthy record but it is so much better than the rest of PIE Inc. it really isnÆt funny. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 02:15:00 - [7] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 15/05/2007 02:13:51 If PIE Inc. had a dozen pilots like Kostantin Mort they would still be in the Throne Worlds contesting control of space right now rather than hunched down in exile trying to pretend that this war never happened. So to Kostantin, (who we understand is joining Omerta Syndicate and bound for the Alliance vs Coalition wars in Delve) we say a fond farewell. You were the best of PIE Inc. and with your absence they are diminished to virtually nothing. Conclusion So over the these weeks we have seen the attention and focus of the war shift ever more apparently from PIE to AM, with the latter appearing to want to defend their name and honour in a way that PIE simply cannot or will not do. The Throne Worlds are now generally free of loyalist forces round the clock û the last organised resistance from PIE was a long time ago and given their alleged "involvement" in the bogged down providence campaign its unlikely weÆll be seeing them again any time soon. What we have seen is the emergence of a very much two-speed Amarrian bloc division with some that choose to hide under the CVAÆs skirts in Providence and will not fight without the backup of their larger neighbours and those (like AM) who are prepared to try and fight on their own and assert some kind of independence from CVA central command. The former elements are pretty much irrelevant in the Throne world campaign at this point hence our logistical move into Mista to bring pressure directly to bare against the latter, and the remaining fighters of Aegis Milita who are prepared to confront our forces outside of CVA fleets. As for the CVA themselves one thing can definitely be said, they came, they fought the Star Fraction in the Throne Worlds and they surely didnÆt like what they found. Rapid skirmish and raiding warfare is not their forte and they are much more at home in the big POS wars raging now in Providence. Whether they have a future role to play in the Amarrian homelands is very much unknown, but for now the war in the Throneworlds is more or less over and the focus switches to the borderlands in the coming weeks. Statistics Operation Slaughterhouse SF have lost 25 Battleships, 2 Command Ships, 12 Battlecruisers, 14 tech2 Cruisers, 16 tech1 Cruisers, 14 Assault Frigates, 54 Interceptors and 24 Capsules to Amarrian+allied action so far in the operation. The Amarrian Bloc has lost 65 Battleships, 4 Command Ships, 41 Battlecruisers, 14 tech2 Cruisers, 76 tech1 Cruisers, 11 Assault Frigates, 44 Interceptors and 96 Capsules to SF action so far in the operation. (This represents 392 kills vs 165 over the course of 31 days) The current Star Fraction ôtop gunsö for the campaign are Cirale and Bacchanalian of Jericho Fraction. Special recognition this week must also go to SF pilots Axen Vormar and Jonny Damordred who have committed to a wide variety of combat operations and supported revolution with distinction and valour and will each be receiving an Interceptor class vessel of their choice from the Jericho Fraction shipyards. Star Fraction is recruiting
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.15 02:38:00 - [8] Again another worthwhile report. I enjoyed reading it. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 03:06:00 - [9] Edited by: Archbishop on 15/05/2007 03:04:38 Don't mind us Jasmine we're just down here working hard to expand the influence of the Empire and flying into battle with our Amarrian allies. Still if you feel better saying we're hiding out you go right ahead. Anyway I couldn't help but notice your stated war objective here seems to be going not so well.... "The fighters of the Star Fraction will wage war against the Amarr Empire's capsuleer lackies the better to oppose the spread of the tyrannical 'order' that is espoused by the Empire and all who support it." PIE Carriers in battle, PIE Battleships in combat, losses to enemy fleets, victories over enemy fleets, POSs destroyed, Amarrian allies, political relevance and Empire expansion at stake. Ahhhh...... what was that you were opposing again? Anyway feel free to continue your siege on Amarr Emperor station and IGS and I'm sure you'll get those holovids and magazines past those pesky Amarrian Customs agents and into the promenade newstands eventually!! But I must be off. More ships to build for reclaiming combat operations. Have a nice evening. Archbishop (Edit for spelling) PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 03:29:00 - [10] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 15/05/2007 03:29:11 Originally by: Archbishop political relevance Sorry who were you again ? (I though this report made it pretty clear. You guys really don't exist to us any more, warp core stabalised inties in the throne worlds don't really count as meaningful opposition.) Star Fraction is recruiting
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar	Posted - 2007.05.15 03:39:00 - [11] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 15/05/2007 03:29:11 Originally by: Archbishop political relevance Sorry who were you again ? (I though this report made it pretty clear. You guys really don't exist to us any more, warp core stabalised inties in the throne worlds don't really count as meaningful opposition.) I bet all those pilots blasted out of space by their lasers in the ongoing providence conflict are glad to hear that PIE don't exsist. guess that means they didn't lose their ships, yay for them. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.15 04:18:00 - [12] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 15/05/2007 03:50:06 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 15/05/2007 03:29:11 Originally by: Archbishop political relevance Sorry who were you again ? (I though this report made it pretty clear. You guys really don't exist to us any more, warp core stabalised inties in the throne worlds don't really count as meaningful opposition.) I bet all those pilots blasted out of space by their lasers in the ongoing providence conflict are glad to hear that PIE don't exsist. guess that means they didn't lose their ships, yay for them. You ask who is PIE? They're the legends of Amarr you felt important enough to want to wage a months long war of smear and humiliation on when you realized you could never achieve half of the respect or recognition they've gotten over the years. Even legends fade away until they are a myth. Perhaps you should start writing down their exploits as they have deemed themselves irrelevant for the present conflict against the Star Fraction. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar	Posted - 2007.05.15 04:29:00 - [13] Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 15/05/2007 04:27:43 Originally by: Ms. Blood Drool Big Britches Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 15/05/2007 03:50:06 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 15/05/2007 03:29:11 Originally by: Archbishop political relevance Sorry who were you again ? (I though this report made it pretty clear. You guys really don't exist to us any more, warp core stabalised inties in the throne worlds don't really count as meaningful opposition.) I bet all those pilots blasted out of space by their lasers in the ongoing providence conflict are glad to hear that PIE don't exsist. guess that means they didn't lose their ships, yay for them. You ask who is PIE? They're the legends of Amarr you felt important enough to want to wage a months long war of smear and humiliation on when you realized you could never achieve half of the respect or recognition they've gotten over the years. Even legends fade away until they are a myth. Perhaps you should start writing down their exploits as they have deemed themselves irrelevant for the present conflict against the Star Fraction. PIE are not irrelevant they are just busy with relevant enemies. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr A Better Future	Posted - 2007.05.15 04:40:00 - [14] Edited by: Nomakai Delateriel on 15/05/2007 04:38:47 So let me get this straight. SF declares war on PIE, sits in Amarr/Mista and neighbouring territories waiting for PIE to come to them, causes insignificant economical losses in the terms of ships (the UK/CVA war pretty much claimed more losses in a day or two than the entire SF campaign has) and declare a victory when PIE/CVA don't come to them unless they're bored? This despite the fact that to PIE Amarr/Mista is of no real economic or strategic interest (because anything that really threatens the Amarr homeworlds would first have to overcome the thousands, if not tens of thousands of Golden Hulls of the Amarr navy)? Which leads to the conclusion that this "war" can best be likened with a 6 week (and going) smear attempt by a gallente hussy and her band of Spindoctors trying to make "war" into some sort of Ad campaign (similar to the ones used by the Gallente Marines to recruit wet-behind-the-ears cannonfodder from the lower-classes of the forgotten hellholes of the Gallente Federation). Did I miss anything (other than the potential, but not likely, SF reply which will be predictable or even trite)? ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Axen Vormar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 05:01:00 - [15] A good piece of work here, Jasmine. Yes, business as usual..
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 07:25:00 - [16] At least reading Jasmine's latest work of fiction proved to be a few minutes' amusing diversion from the serious work of fighting people who are actual threats to the Empire. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 09:07:00 - [17] I think a few personal comments are in order here. First of all, this diary seems to contain mainly the same old baseless claims and more of the usual Jasmine propagandist chatter we have seen so much of already. It has been answered countless times already - if Jasmine is unable to understand the reasoning of those replies, I guess we have to leave her in "Jasmineland". There is one little piece of new information in this diary however. It seems that Jasmine has finally caught on to the fact that the SF war on the Amarr Loyalist Block is nothing more than a sideshow to the campaign currently being waged for control over Providence. Although she fails to state so in so many words, the diary itself bears clear witness to this fact. And speaking of the Providence campaign. In one of the early battles of the 9UY siege a counterstrike by U'K and friends inflicted losses of 6 capitals on the Amarr block (IF I have read the loss reports by Hardin correctly). In other words, in one single engagement U'K and her friends have managed to do more damage to the Amarr cause than Star Fraction has done throughout her entire 6 week war. Yet Mr Maggot has simply posted this message in response to that victory - "The Siege of Unity continues". When comparing the neverending chestbeating of Jasmine Constantine to the restrained, honorable and respectful behaviour of Mr Maggot, one cannot help but to have respect for only the latter of the two. Imagine for an instant how Jasmine would pose here on IGS should Star Fraction ever manage to down just one Amarr Block Capital ship. As always, the Amarr block deals with it's enemies in order of importance. The relative lack of engagements against Star Fraction is not a sign that we're beat (as the Providence engagements should amply demonstrate). It's a sign that we simply have more important enemies to deal with. It's a sign that for all the posturing of Jasmine Constantine, Star Fraction has not yet found a way to actually make us respect them enough to deal with them in a decisive manner. Oh, and finally I do have one little question: With the Star Fraction "independant Star Captain" ideology, it is very hard to know when a statement by Star Fraction pilots are official Star Fraction communiques and when they are private statements. Are these diaries the official view of events of Star Fraction as an organisation or are they simply private statements by Jasmine? If they are official announcements, feel free to replace any reference to Jasmine above with a reference to Star Fraction as a whole. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 09:25:00 - [18] Edited by: Sable Schroedinger on 15/05/2007 09:25:23 Edited by: Sable Schroedinger on 15/05/2007 09:24:10 Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss I bet all those pilots blasted out of space by their lasers in the ongoing providence conflict are glad to hear that PIE don't exsist. guess that means they didn't lose their ships, yay for them. We thought something very similar when PIE and yourself were talking of irrelevance in the face of similar massive losses Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss You ask who is PIE? They're the legends of Amarr you felt important enough to want to wage a months long war of smear and humiliation on when you realized you could never achieve half of the respect or recognition they've gotten over the years. We thought the same when we came to Amarr. Then they spent weeks convincing us that we should not be at war with them as they are not needed by the empire, irrelevant, insignificant and unwanted û If we were a threat to the empires interests the Amarr navy would stop us û not their paramilitaries. By blowing up masses of their ships, we do no harm to the empires interests The list of excuses went on and on and are freely available for public viewing so IÆll not repeat them now, but nor can you refute them. All that has happened here is that on viewing their performance, weÆve come to agree with them. Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel So let me get this straight. SF declares war on PIE, sits in Amarr/Mista and neighbouring territories waiting for PIE to come to them, causes insignificant economical losses in the terms of ships (the UK/CVA war pretty much claimed more losses in a day or two than the entire SF campaign has) and declare a victory when PIE/CVA don't come to them unless they're bored? This despite the fact that to PIE Amarr/Mista is of no real economic or strategic interest (because anything that really threatens the Amarr homeworlds would first have to overcome the thousands, if not tens of thousands of Golden Hulls of the Amarr navy)? Which leads to the conclusion that this "war" can best be likened with a 6 week (and going) smear attempt by a gallente hussy and her band of Spindoctors trying to make "war" into some sort of Ad campaign (similar to the ones used by the Gallente Marines to recruit wet-behind-the-ears cannonfodder from the lower-classes of the forgotten hellholes of the Gallente Federation). Did I miss anything (other than the potential, but not likely, SF reply which will be predictable or even trite)? (stopping with the nit pick quotes... seemed to have come over all Rodj for a moment...) No, we moved to their base of operations û as confirmed by their pilots in their replies to our war dec thread. We didnÆt expect them to come to us, however nor did we expect the ôlegendaryö PIE to flee their home system throwing up protests of irrelevance. This war truly has brought some surprises. And again you come with the defence of PIE via its irrelevance to the empire, as otherwise they would step in! Whilst we may not agree with your logic as we donÆt believe they would dare, we agree with the basis of your claim already. They are irrelevant! OK, we get the point! As for your alluded to statistics, we have put forward ours, you have brought hearsay and unsubstantiated claims û who is spinning? And in conclusion, if this is the amount of damage we do in a ô6 week (and going) smear attempt by a gallente hussy and her band of Spindoctors trying to make "war" into some sort of Ad campaignö, may god help the universe if we ever actually fight! Or, in other words, youÆre a bold faced liar too ashamed to face the truth. You do not show the famed Amarrian arrogance here, you show that you are nothing but lost, scared children huddled together hiding your eyes whilst claiming loudly ôif we canÆt see it, its not there!ö ((edits to fixed rogue quotes)) -------------------------------------------- Join Now
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 09:51:00 - [19] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger No, we moved to their base of operations û as confirmed by their pilots in their replies to our war dec thread. One of our bases of operation. Quote: We didnÆt expect them to come to us, however nor did we expect the ôlegendaryö PIE to flee their home system throwing up protests of irrelevance. We didn't flee from Amarr. Throughout this conflict PIE Inc vessels have freely travelled throughout the Throne Worlds constellation, including the Amarr system. Of course, our major operations have taken place away from Amarr, and this is quite normal for us. The fact that we were able to both assist Brother Joshua on his travels in the Kor-Azor region and support the CVA in their campaign to snuff out the insurgency in Providence with minimal opposition from the factionistas merely serves to underline the point that SF are impotent as a force for change. Quote: This war truly has brought some surprises. I must confess that I was surprised when a fleet of around thirty SF vessels including several dreadnoughts seemed nervous at the thought of providing significant assistance to insurgent forces in X-R3 the other night. Quote: And again you come with the defence of PIE via its irrelevance to the empire, as otherwise they would step in! Whilst we may not agree with your logic as we donÆt believe they would dare, we agree with the basis of your claim already. So now you're implying that the Empire is scared of you? And people call us Amarrians egotistical! Quote: As for your alluded to statistics, we have put forward ours, you have brought hearsay and unsubstantiated claims û who is spinning? We have no need to publish statistics. As has previously been pointed out to you statistics seldom tell the whole story and can be massaged to paint a specific picture. We prefer to point to the results, not the numbers. And the fact of the matter is that SF have had minimal impact on PIE Inc's operational abilities. Quote: And in conclusion, if this is the amount of damage we do in a ô6 week (and going) smear attempt by a gallente hussy and her band of Spindoctors trying to make "war" into some sort of Ad campaignö, may god help the universe if we ever actually fight! The inaction of your capital fleet the other night speaks volumes. Once again, when presented with an opportunity to actually inflict damage SF decided to play it safe. Just as you let Brother Joshua waltz through your gate camp, you allowed the CVA to repair the damage inflicted upon them by the U'K and their new-found friends. Quote: Or, in other words, youÆre a bold faced liar too ashamed to face the truth. Or could it be that you and Jasmine are simple-minded fantasists who only see what that they want to see? Quote: You do not show the famed Amarrian arrogance here, you show that you are nothing but lost, scared children huddled together hiding your eyes whilst claiming loudly ôif we canÆt see it, its not there!ö We're huddling together? I suggest that you venture into Providence and observe our nightly operations there in support of the CVA. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr A Better Future	Posted - 2007.05.15 10:08:00 - [20] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger And in conclusion, if this is the amount of damage we do in a ô6 week (and going) smear attempt by a gallente hussy and her band of Spindoctors trying to make "war" into some sort of Ad campaignö, may god help the universe if we ever actually fight! I think you missed my point, not to mention that you seem to have confused "viewing SF as clowns" with "fear". You spend all your efforts at claiming hollow victories and then boasting about them. You're probably giving your all, but your doing it in a very cautious manner that, by consequence, gives very little return simply because your opponent sees no reason to commit any significant resource. PIE believes (as far as I know) that they have more important business (such as the UK) and is willing to take the insignificant losses from bored unfocused fighting and the occasional pilot caught "ratting" rather than to commit to a fairly futile task. That task is trying to dig someone out of a system where they can dock at will. There is a reason why the conflict between RISE and CHON lasted for the time it did, and only ended when one side left for better hunting grounds. There is a reason why syndicate, curse, geminate etc remains the most lethal regions in space and any effort to dig out pirates remain futile. That cause is the inability to deny docking rights. Heck, even if you declared war on me right now I could for example stay in Penirgman indefinitly unless you camped me 24/7 (and even then I could stay in Penirgman indefinitly as long as I didn't undock). Maintaining space superiority 24/7 is simply not possible unless you outnumber your enemy maybe 20 to 1. And CVA/PIE/AM/VV does not have 2000 pilots, nor do they have the luxury of dedicating 2000 pilots to such an insignificant threat as 73 pilots who are not threatening their survival or stationary resources. When Providence is firmly in Amarr hands, all serious pirates (like Outbreak) defeated, the Minmatar Republic reunited with the Amarr empire, the Gallente Federation reduced to a protectorate and the rest of the EVE universe jumping if the Emperor says "frog", then maybe the CVA/PIE will dedicate the attention of 2000 pilots to your little sideshow(simply because there will be little else to do). Not before that. In essence, as it's been said previously, you do not have half the courage, conviction and dignity of Maggot, and he's a heathen, rebel and a betrayer of God. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.05.15 10:09:00 - [21] Not bad reading, actually. Learn what it means to be Caldari with Omerta Syndicate
Sami Yahn'ko Gallente The Butterfly Rebellion	Posted - 2007.05.15 10:50:00 - [22] Mhmm. A good read isn't it? I have to say...the desperation of the Amarrian camp to cling to the situation in Providence is amusing. If only the region were named Deliverance, the joke would be complete.
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 11:13:00 - [23] Hmmmm.. let me try and spin this in the delusional Amarrian style û maybe you will understand it then and then hopefully acknowledge the flaw in your claims and the depths of your lies: YouÆre not furthering the empire in providence. You are not defeating the Republic. You are doing nothing of consequence. Even if you pushed UÆK out of providence and claimed it in the name of the Emperor, Amarr will not move in and claim sovereignty. If they wanted it, they would have taken it already. They havenÆt, so they donÆt. If you paramilitaries ever posed a threat to the republic or the federation they would crush you. They donÆt because you are insignificant to them. From the above, it is clear you are doing nothing and are irrelevant, wouldnÆt you agree? -------------------------------------------- Join Now
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 11:22:00 - [24] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger Hmmmm.. let me try and spin this in the delusional Amarrian style û maybe you will understand it then and then hopefully acknowledge the flaw in your claims and the depths of your lies: YouÆre not furthering the empire in providence. You are not defeating the Republic. You are doing nothing of consequence. Even if you pushed UÆK out of providence and claimed it in the name of the Emperor, Amarr will not move in and claim sovereignty. If they wanted it, they would have taken it already. They havenÆt, so they donÆt. If you paramilitaries ever posed a threat to the republic or the federation they would crush you. They donÆt because you are insignificant to them. From the above, it is clear you are doing nothing and are irrelevant, wouldnÆt you agree? I suggest that rather than deliberately misinterpreting the CVA's stated objectives in Providence you actually go and read up on their policy. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Tareen Kashaar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 11:27:00 - [25] Originally by: Rodj Blake I suggest that rather than deliberately misinterpreting the CVA's stated objectives in Providence you actually go and read up on their policy. I didn't see you bothering to read up on the Star Fraction's philosophy before mocking them, my dear Rodj. And Sable, have my babies! --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 11:29:00 - [26] Originally by: Tareen Kashaar Originally by: Rodj Blake I suggest that rather than deliberately misinterpreting the CVA's stated objectives in Providence you actually go and read up on their policy. I didn't see you bothering to read up on the Star Fraction's philosophy before mocking them, my dear Rodj. And Sable, have my babies! Actually, I've read Cosmo's explanation of factionista philosophy many times. It just so happens that I disagree with almost all of it. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.15 11:49:00 - [27] coughing to clear his throat and then closing his eyes to centre his thoughts the Bashar began to compose a brief response to the galnet boards Just so we're clear... Pie's argument for their abysmal showing vs Star Fraction is that they're getting beaten up in Providence instead? I am pleased to announce that their pilots have been sighted in BC and even BS class vessels in providence and U'K forces are doing what we can to swiftly return them to their cloning vats so they can die to SF forces again. Claxons sound in the background announcing enemy vessels detected entering system If you'll excuse me gentlemen. turning away from the screen 'All crew to full alert, go dark and ready combat stations!' My thanks to Star Fraction for a lovely read. I always enjoy hearing how others are having success vs our common enemy. Until next time.... comms cut out as cloak all comms are cut to maintain radio silence Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 12:12:00 - [28] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 12:12:25 Originally by: Sapphrine coughing to clear his throat and then closing his eyes to centre his thoughts the Bashar began to compose a brief response to the galnet boards Just so we're clear... Pie's argument for their abysmal showing vs Star Fraction is that they're getting beaten up in Providence instead? I am pleased to announce that their pilots have been sighted in BC and even BS class vessels in providence and U'K forces are doing what we can to swiftly return them to their cloning vats so they can die to SF forces again. First of all, if you look at the raw data that SF are using, I'm sure you'll find that PIE's performance against SF has been anything but abysmal. You will notice that their figures are not broken down by corporation. Secondly, if the only PIE vessels that you've seen in Providence are battlecruisers and battleships, perhaps you should keep a closer eye on things. Having said that though, we do take the threat from U'K and their new Ev0ke overlords very seriously indeed and will most likely be continuing combat operations against them for some time. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 12:35:00 - [29] Edited by: Octavinus Augustus on 15/05/2007 12:37:29 It seems to me that the Star Fraction grievance with the Amarr Loyalists has more to do with our priorities in life than anything else. We have clearly stated that our main efforts are currently directed at U'K and her friends in Providence. To be absolutely honest, the U'K has been present in Providence for a very long time, and by now has a very strong hold over parts of it. The competence, the undoubted valour and the economic base to back the U'K organisation is also beyond question. Consequently it will certainly take all of our strength to assure that we inflict a serious defeat on them. When Star Fraction declared it's war and moved to Amarr, we made a risk assessment and decided that having you sit in Amarr was not really a threat to us compared to the threat of U'K. Nor was your presence in the Throne Worlds anything we could do anything about, as the Empire has always granted you docking rights. We then turned our backs on you to continue our preparation for and execution of the 9UY campaign. We made the assessment that the Star Fraction threat was insignificant compared to our prime objectives. Instead of relating to this fact, you (Star Fraction in general and Jasmine Constantine in particular) has spent the past 6 weeks throwing a tantrum here on IGS. What is it that is so incomprehensive to you? That we follow a policy of our own instead of one that is to your liking? That we deem U'K a greater threat than you? That we prioritize our year long campaigns in Providence over a 6 week war with Star Fraction? Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 12:36:00 - [30] Is there no end to your wriggling Rodj? are there no depths you won't sink to save face? You know those figures can be provided, and then you'll have to come up with another statistical angle to play in order to avoid the facts. You are doing terribly in space. -------------------------------------------- Join Now
Cirale Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 12:55:00 - [31] "Still, if weÆd known this would be the last sighting of these people in ships larger than frigates weÆd have made more of an occasion but you live and learn." Was a great battle, I only wish that PIE could have put up more such fights. I had believed at the beginning of this campaign (abeit I was wrong) that PIE would be a formitable advisary. Alas, they were not, and my 30 some ships in Amarr prime were just collecting dust. So much for the grandeur and might of the paramilitaries of Amarr (decrepit nation that it is) "there would be no further sighting of their ships in space for the following 24 hours, with only PIE stalwart Kostantin Mort prepared to contest our dominance of the Throne worlds" such a worthy opponent, many a SF pilot wished to test his/her skills VS this skilled opponent in interceptor class engagements, and many did. Much respect to Konstantin, you are a formitable advisary, and many Star Fraction pilots call it an honor to have faced you in battle and lived to tell the tale. "A malfunction in navigational systems meanwhile leads Free Captain Cirale into the depths of providence where he scores kills against a whole variety of CVA-friendly vassals and notching up a veritable storehouse of loot in his cargo bay before passing out a moon in 9UY4-H" My only comment on this is that I hope the UK that came to assist me faired well from it. It was a sad day to lose this ship to pilot error, but it lived and fought well, and was highly victorious for its lifespan. Such a relief to have an industrial base that can support such pointless losses. "Kra RA is to be applauded for having the courage to challenge us of course, and itÆs certainly better than doing nothing or dying in fruitless docking and undocking manoeuvres for sure." Indeed, much respect for those that, dispite being outclassed, choose to fight. Your bravado is misplaced with the cause you choose, and I believe that it is the hope of every Free Captian that you will throw off your chains and truly embrace your potential. Indeed, it is what we fight for, why we do what we do, and why we choose violence to make our mark. Being immortal and faced with the reality of endless riches, all we can do is endevour to free those willing to embrace this grand future we have infront of us. "So to Kostantin, (who we understand is joining Omerta Syndicate and bound for the Alliance vs Coalition wars in Delve) we say a fond farewell. You were the best of PIE Inc. and with your absence they are diminished to virtually nothing." As I stated before, much respect to you, good sir. You were (and are) a worthy advisary, willing to best your ships and isk many times, even against greater odds, for many weeks. I salute you, as a bastion of the spirit of being a transhuman. Much enjoyment to you in your new home. "Special recognition this week must also go to SF pilots Axen Vormar and Jonny Damordred" you 2 are the best of the best, and I have no words to honor your skills. I only hope to be so honored to fly with pilots such as you, and the rest of the Star Fraction, until I cannot manage to clone myself again. I am so looking forward to what's next. My only advice to those of you that side with slavery and choose to support dead, oppressive ideals, is it is time to grow up, and embrace the future of responsibility. Nobody who lives on the efforts of others will last in the absolutely free reality that is our destiny.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 13:04:00 - [32] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 13:02:53 Originally by: Sable Schroedinger Is there no end to your wriggling Rodj? are there no depths you won't sink to save face? You know those figures can be provided, and then you'll have to come up with another statistical angle to play in order to avoid the facts. You are doing terribly in space. If we're doing so terribly in space, perhaps you would care to explain the Star Faction's total failure in interfering with our escort operations in the Kor-Azor region? Or perhaps you would care to explain the complete lack of impact SF have had on our industrial base? Maybe after that you could explain to the good people of the cluster just how you failed to prevent our recent deployment into Providence? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Cirale Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 13:23:00 - [33] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 13:02:53 Originally by: Sable Schroedinger Is there no end to your wriggling Rodj? are there no depths you won't sink to save face? You know those figures can be provided, and then you'll have to come up with another statistical angle to play in order to avoid the facts. You are doing terribly in space. If we're doing so terribly in space, perhaps you would care to explain the Star Faction's total failure in interfering with our escort operations in the Kor-Azor region? Or perhaps you would care to explain the complete lack of impact SF have had on our industrial base? Maybe after that you could explain to the good people of the cluster just how you failed to prevent our recent deployment into Providence? shut your yapping old man, you have no reasonable base to shout your crap from. as soon as you can "bring it" you will be respectable, until then, you are like sheep. And dont respond with some crap about "we are doing "x" for the good of "x" because its part of "x" agenda." The reality is you are a bunch of ineffectual, over-the-hill, worthless nobodies that only have a real effect on gal-net. Which, I might add, doesn't mean squat. SF backs up everything we say here, can you make the same claim? I think not, and I have the record, in combat, in space, BY MY SELF ALONE, to back it up. The fact that I belong to such an exemplary organization as The Star Fraction, and we as a whole are completely destroying any kind of claim you can make to backing up your corporations stated purpose, shows how irrelevant you are. Go quote some more and spew your retoric a bit more, in fact maybe puke out a sermon or 2, "god" knows you need it.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 13:27:00 - [34] Originally by: Cirale shut your yapping old man, you have no reasonable base to shout your crap from. as soon as you can "bring it" you will be respectable, until then, you are like sheep. And dont respond with some crap about "we are doing "x" for the good of "x" because its part of "x" agenda." The reality is you are a bunch of ineffectual, over-the-hill, worthless nobodies that only have a real effect on gal-net. Which, I might add, doesn't mean squat. SF backs up everything we say here, can you make the same claim? I think not, and I have the record, in combat, in space, BY MY SELF ALONE, to back it up. The fact that I belong to such an exemplary organization as The Star Fraction, and we as a whole are completely destroying any kind of claim you can make to backing up your corporations stated purpose, shows how irrelevant you are. Go quote some more and spew your retoric a bit more, in fact maybe puke out a sermon or 2, "god" knows you need it. I see that it's your turn to do the furious outburst. I think that you'll find that PIE Inc has been "bringing it" on a regular basis over the last week or two. Perhaps if you'd been following events in Providence you'd realise that. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 13:27:00 - [35] Ah dear, another diary and another rash and dare I say premature ejactulation of Amarrian spin all over this beautiful narrative discourse. Still war is hell they say so lets say once more unto the breach and get to puncturing some Amarrian mythology this fine afternoon! Now its seems in the early stages of Rodjering today we're seen the assertion that somehow PIE Inc. haven't been utterly slaughtered like blind dogs in space in the Throne Worlds during the last six weeks. Laughable really so lets have a look at the statistics ... What is immediately apparent is that PIE really aren't pulling their own weight. From the beginning of "Judas Goat" and moving into "Slaughterhouse" we've seen PIE involvement dip steadily from a height at the beginning of a fairly large Battleship heavy gang we eliminated during their escort of Brother Joshua to scatterings of mid-sized vessels primarily of the Harbinger class during the height of the CVA intevention and diminished in the past few weeks to the lone interceptor vessels (and stabs) we see today. Most interesting of course is the role that Aegis Militia have played in this - going from timely assistants to a beleaguered but embattled PIE to their current status as symbolic whipping boys for the absentee amarrian bloc. PIE campaign statistics are terrible. Over 60% of their "kills" are from lone vessels stealing in on the victories of other forces gangs. Their performance in their own right has been utterly lamentable and as I stated in the war diary over half of their actual kills have come from one man ... Kostantin Mort, who has now departed from their organisation for greener shores elsewhere. So I think the rational public can see how appallingly disingenius it is for Rodj to argue that we should be listing the "individual kill/loss" ratio of PIE Inc. as a statistic. The simple truth is that PIE cannot stand alone as a force and can only fight in mixed groups of Amarrian bloc entities so must be consisted part of the overall Campaign statistics (which in any case makes PIE look a lot less bad than they deserve). At the moment we are 599 kills vs 213 losses on the combined Statistics of "Judas Goat" and "Slaughterhouse" and those figures speak for themselves I think. So its no surprise we are now hearing Rodj trying to salve his punctured pride by desperately jumping up and saying: "look at me look at me I'm still fighting! (in providence)" "look at me look at me I'm still posting! (on the forums))" But it doesn't impress us. You were tested and found wanting you had your chance to "defend the empire" and you blew it Rodj. Now you are chased from pillar to post by hostiles on both sides and you've demonstrated a total inability to "defend" anything (even yourselves). Now your best bet would be to find a dark shady ditch somewhere and go die in it. As an enemy you are irrelevant. As a foe you are innept. And as a galnet commentator you are, well, lets be frank, incontinent. How about you take a break and come back some time you actually achieve something in space. Star Fraction is recruiting
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 13:31:00 - [36] Edited by: Archbishop on 15/05/2007 13:34:10 Edited by: Archbishop on 15/05/2007 13:33:32 "The fighters of the Star Fraction will wage war against the Amarr Empire's capsuleer lackies the better to oppose the spread of the tyrannical 'order' that is espoused by the Empire and all who support it." Sable indicated the Empire won't claim Providence. That wasn't a war objective just a hope for the Amarr bloc. What we're doing is spreading the influence of the Empire. You stated in your official war thread you were going to oppose that spread by declaring war on PIE. So what does the opposition start? After all we're down here doing just that. "But anyway you miss the fundimental point. Our primary target is PIE's pride. At the moment that vessel is wounded and punctured from multiple impacts and drifting without power in the depths of some forlorn system a long way from the Throne Worlds they are pledged to defend." Well since you've already admitted your entire war is a smear campaign designed to try and tarnish the reputation and legacy of PIE I decided to try and figure out why. I think Tomahawk hit on the truth in his reply. You're obsessed with your lack of "reputation" thus you try to bring others down to elevate your own. The legacy of the Star Fraction and its mentally unstable attention craved recognition demanding obsessive executor are well known. The legacy of failure of every "objective" they've set out to complete in the cluster from securing Venal for free pilots to fighting the Red Alliance in Curse. Their only two "victories" were against alliances Jasmine has admitted they knew were weaker admitting as much when asked about it. Bolstered by the first two "victories" in their four year history they decided to attack PIE Inc and its reputation. Sadly for Star Fraction we're still around, still doing what we do, still flying around the Throne Worlds at will, still fighting with our CVA allies to help expand the influence of the Empire. Yes we have real life allies. We haven't been run out of alliances and kicked out of regions by our "friends" as you have. We haven't abandoned our allies as you did when you left Venal. We haven't failed to accomplish anything meaningful as you have as you abandoned your original mission in the cluster of freeing space from tyranical 0.0 governements. Instead you've fallen to the point where you park in Empire space to wage a "PR War" smear campaign against someones reputation. From securing free 0.0 space for pilots to this. My my you certainly have moved up in the world! Long after you're gone PIE will still be here. We are what we are. You seem to assign some lofty label to us to imply we're some great conquest but the reality is we're just PIE. We've never claimed to be anything we're not. We won't stomp up and down like a child demanding people respect us instead we'll leave that to you as you've so clearly done elsewhere. We're obviously respected enough that the Empire repeatedly asks us for assistance in matters of state and religion. Thats enough for us. We have no ego to stroke as you apparently do. We're just PIE. It keeps it simple that way. We do what we can, sometimes we win, sometimes we fail, but our humility in service to the Empire is key in everything we do. If we have a "legacy" so be it. We didn't ask for it. Considering your reputation over the years I think we're just fine. Anyway I look forward to your impending "victory declaration" and you're next great conquest. Since you've failed at everything save beating up two industrial alliances and now have failed with your smear campaign I'm sure there some 100 man mining corp somewhere you can wardec with claims "they're bigger than us" then claim a big victory over them for free capsuleer identity. After all you're nothing if not predictable. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 13:35:00 - [37] Quote: But it doesn't impress us. You were tested and found wanting you had your chance to "defend the empire" and you blew it Rodj. To "Defend the Empire" one would have to be a threat to the Empire. Are you claiming to be a threat to the Amarrian Empire? Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 13:35:00 - [38] Originally by: Archbishop Edited by: Archbishop on 15/05/2007 13:30:51 "The fighters of the Star Fraction will wage war against the Amarr Empire's capsuleer lackies the better to oppose the spread of the tyrannical 'order' that is espoused by the Empire and all who support it." Sable indicated the Empire won't claim Providence. That wasn't a war objective just a hope for the Amarr bloc. What we're doing is spreading the influence of the Empire. You stated in your official war thread you were going to oppose that spread by declaring war on PIE. So what does the opposition start? After all we're down here doing just that. "But anyway you miss the fundimental point. Our primary target is PIE's pride. At the moment that vessel is wounded and punctured from multiple impacts and drifting without power in the depths of some forlorn system a long way from the Throne Worlds they are pledged to defend." Well since you've already admitted your entire war is a smear campaign designed to try and tarnish the reputation and legacy of PIE I decided to try and figure out why. I think Tomahawk hit on the truth in his reply. You're obsessed with your lack of "reputation" thus you try to bring others down to elevate your own. The legacy of the Star Fraction and its mentally unstable attention craved recognition demanding obsessive executor are well known. The legacy of failure of every "objective" they've set out to complete in the cluster from securing Venal for free pilots to fighting the Red Alliance in Curse. Their only two "victories" were against alliances Jasmine has admitted they knew were weaker admitting as much when asked about it. Bolstered by the first two "victories" in their four year history they decided to attack PIE Inc and its reputation. Sadly for Star Fraction we're still around, still doing what we do, still flying around the Throne Worlds at will, still fighting with our CVA allies to help expand the influence of the Empire. Yes we have real life allies. We haven't been run out of alliances and kicked out of regions by our "friends" as you have. We haven't abandoned our allies as you did when you left Venal. We haven't failed to accomplish anything meaningful as you have as you abandoned your original mission in the cluster of freeing space from tyranical 0.0 governements. Instead you've fallen to the point where you park in Empire space to wage a "PR War" smear campaign against someones reputation. From securing free 0.0 space for pilots to this. My my you certainly have moved up in the world! Long after you're gone PIE will still be here. We are what we are. You seem to assign some lofty label to us to imply we're some great conquest but the reality is we're just PIE. We've never claimed to be anything we're not. We won't stomp up and down like a child demanding people respect us instead we'll leave that to you as you've so clearly done elsewhere. We're obviously respected enough that the Empire repeatedly asks us for assistance in matters of state and religion. Thats enough for us. We have no ego to stroke as you apparently do. We're just PIE. It keeps it simple that way. We do what we can, sometimes we win, sometimes we fail, but our humility in service to the Empire is key in everything we do. If we have a "legacy" so be it. We didn't ask for it. Considering your reputation over the years I think we're just fine. Anyway I look forward to your impending "victory declaration" and you're next great conquest. Since you've failed at everything save beating up two industrial alliances and now have failed with your smear campaign I'm sure there some 100 man mining corp somewhere you can wardec with claims "they're bigger than us" then claim a big victory over them for free capsuleer identity. After all you're nothing if not predictable. Archbishop I'm going to quote the above to prevent you removing it. Star Fraction is recruiting
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 13:38:00 - [39] Feel free to try and pick it apart as well. Do you dispute any of it? Then again you're busy being a threat to the Empire right? Anyway off to planetside duties then more war activities to spread the influence of the Empire. The duty of every Amarrian is to serve after all. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 13:39:00 - [40] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 15/05/2007 13:37:12 Originally by: Archbishop To "Defend the Empire" one would have to be a threat to the Empire. Are you claiming to be a threat to the Amarrian Empire? Archbishop We are as much a threat to the Amarrian Empire as you are a benefit to it. If you are able to aid the Amarrian empire and we are able to drive you out of empire into exile and utterly route your fleets then of course we are a threat to it since we have removed its "aid". If on the other hand we are not a threat to the Empire then it means you are not a benefit to it and we are both irrelevant. But if thats the case, hasn't the entirety of your four years in the cluster been a total waste of time? An utter and abject failure if you like? Star Fraction is recruiting
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 13:41:00 - [41] Why don't you ask Brother Joshua about our "failure"..... Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 13:42:00 - [42] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine What is immediately apparent is that PIE really aren't pulling their own weight. From the beginning of "Judas Goat" and moving into "Slaughterhouse" we've seen PIE involvement dip steadily from a height at the beginning of a fairly large Battleship heavy gang we eliminated during their escort of Brother Joshua to scatterings of mid-sized vessels primarily of the Harbinger class during the height of the CVA intevention and diminished in the past few weeks to the lone interceptor vessels (and stabs) we see today. Strangely enough, our large ships moved down to Providence during the period you mention. That we managed to redeploy our ships without you noticing says what about your competence? Quote: Most interesting of course is the role that Aegis Militia have played in this - going from timely assistants to a beleaguered but embattled PIE to their current status as symbolic whipping boys for the absentee amarrian bloc. I'm sure that Aegis Militia will beg to differ. Quote: PIE campaign statistics are terrible. Over 60% of their "kills" are from lone vessels stealing in on the victories of other forces gangs. Their performance in their own right has been utterly lamentable and as I stated in the war diary over half of their actual kills have come from one man ... Kostantin Mort, who has now departed from their organisation for greener shores elsewhere. Hmm, I don't recall you discounting the assists of lone vessels joining in on other people's kills during our exercises in the Mito constellation. But of course, back then it was the odd Star Faction ship assisting the Black Rabbits. As for our performance being lamentable, every time we've set out to do something since your war declaration, we've done it. Quote: So I think the rational public can see how appallingly disingenius it is for Rodj to argue that we should be listing the "individual kill/loss" ratio of PIE Inc. as a statistic. The simple truth is that PIE cannot stand alone as a force and can only fight in mixed groups of Amarrian bloc entities so must be consisted part of the overall Campaign statistics (which in any case makes PIE look a lot less bad than they deserve). The simple truth is that we have solid friendships with other Amarrian loyalists. Quote: At the moment we are 599 kills vs 213 losses on the combined Statistics of "Judas Goat" and "Slaughterhouse" and those figures speak for themselves I think. Assuming that those figures are accurate, of course. Quote: So its no surprise we are now hearing Rodj trying to salve his punctured pride by desperately jumping up and saying: "look at me look at me I'm still fighting! (in providence)" "look at me look at me I'm still posting! (on the forums))" Perhaps your assertion would carry more weight if it were me creating regular war diaries in an attempt to create some credibility. Quote: But it doesn't impress us. You were tested and found wanting you had your chance to "defend the empire" and you blew it Rodj. Now you are chased from pillar to post by hostiles on both sides and you've demonstrated a total inability to "defend" anything (even yourselves). Now your best bet would be to find a dark shady ditch somewhere and go die in it. We were tested when Brother Joshua asked us for help. We passed the test. We were tested when the CVA asked for our assistance. We are assisting them. Quote: As an enemy you are irrelevant. As a foe you are innept. And as a galnet commentator you are, well, lets be frank, incontinent. How about you take a break and come back some time you actually achieve something in space. Ah, back to the insults I see. I think that my record in space speaks for itself. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 13:43:00 - [43] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 15/05/2007 13:40:49 Originally by: Archbishop Why don't you ask Brother Joshua about our "failure"..... Archbishop Ah so you are claiming that PIE IS relevant to the empire then ? Yes or No. Star Fraction is recruiting
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 13:44:00 - [44] Originally by: Archbishop Well since you've already admitted your entire war is a smear campaign designed to try and tarnish the reputation and legacy of PIE I decided to try and figure out why. I think Tomahawk hit on the truth in his reply. Jealousy. Not quite fast enough with the edit command Archie. The true reason? Disgust. I can imagine no organization more worthy of destruction than PIE.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 13:45:00 - [45] Originally by: Rodj Blake As for our performance being lamentable, every time we've set out to do something since your war declaration, we've done it. You set out to run away from us to providence and you've achieved that. Well done. You know how to retreat. Star Fraction is recruiting
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 13:50:00 - [46] Oh, and before I have to go maintain my frigate stable, I do wish to commend Mr. Mort on his bravery for a misguided cause. He showed a complete disregard for his own safety in the pursuit of kills and was quite enjoyable to spar against, unlike the rest of the PIE worms.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 13:50:00 - [47] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake As for our performance being lamentable, every time we've set out to do something since your war declaration, we've done it. You set out to run away from us to providence and you've achieved that. Well done. You know how to retreat. If it were our intention to run away from you, would we have moved to the front line of a larger, more important conflict? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 13:52:00 - [48] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 15/05/2007 13:40:49 Originally by: Archbishop Why don't you ask Brother Joshua about our "failure"..... Archbishop Ah so you are claiming that PIE IS relevant to the empire then ? Yes or No. Whenever a representative of the Empire has asked us for assistance, we have been able to provide it. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 13:53:00 - [49] Originally by: Sakura Nihil Originally by: Archbishop Well since you've already admitted your entire war is a smear campaign designed to try and tarnish the reputation and legacy of PIE I decided to try and figure out why. I think Tomahawk hit on the truth in his reply. Jealousy. Not quite fast enough with the edit command Archie. The true reason? Disgust. I can imagine no organization more worthy of destruction than PIE. Hah thats the bit I wanted to preserve for posterity Sakura, you are as good as locking up embarrassing Archbishop quotes as you are squishing pods! And yes, its quite ridiculous really. Exactly why we'd be jealous of PIE is beyond belief. The thing is Archbishop - we are better than you in every way. Better pilots, better ships, better industry, better PR and far better at combat in all fields from space supremacy to galnet discussion. You had a chance to prove us wrong of course but you fluffed it. You chose to run away and hide your head in the sand and try and pretend we didn't matter while getting utterly slaughtered in space and the problem for you is that your corp mates just aren't prepared to sit in stations and post on galnet and listen to your morale blogs. You are going to lose all your fighters because PIE is not a fighting corp. And bottom line, the really painful thing for you which is pretty much evident from the tone of your astounding post above - is that this is all your fault. Yes you, Archbishop, your friend Calladen Nimitz, and all your little agents in between - you have poisoned the spirit of PIE and turned it from a fighting corp into a hiding and spiteful little galnet sniping corp. Bravo! But you've truly hurt yourself more than we could. Serving the Empire? At the moment the best way you could serve the Amarrian bloc is to follow the dead heirs into suicide and pour yourself into a recycling vat. (But that might take some courage so I'm sure its off the menu) Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 13:54:00 - [50] Originally by: Rodj Blake If it were our intention to run away from you, would we have moved to the front line of a larger, more important conflict? Funny we keep killing PIE vessels in Providence flying away from the Ushra'khan as fast as they can go ... Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 13:55:00 - [51] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 15/05/2007 13:40:49 Originally by: Archbishop Why don't you ask Brother Joshua about our "failure"..... Archbishop Ah so you are claiming that PIE IS relevant to the empire then ? Yes or No. Whenever a representative of the Empire has asked us for assistance, we have been able to provide it. I'll need a Yes or No there Rodj. Is PIE relevant to the empire? Star Fraction is recruiting
Cirale Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 13:57:00 - [52] as I fly from Mista to Amarr in my capsule, on auto pilot, enjoying the freedom to explore gal-net, and other worthy destractions (thank you Senior Dante, and a fine collection of the clusters best dancers) I wonder as I idle to the next gate at 187 m/s in my pod (its really a luxury hot tub) WHERE are PIE? defending the empire, no doubt, one station at a time oh wait, my little auto pilot trip is done, guess I can dock and board another ship. well, so much for PIE, the defenders of the empire, the galliant crusaders of god, the final and truest bastions of the amarrian might in the blessed cradle of the home of the emperor himself....... (I am still at the gate, in my pod BTW) rabble some more, no wait, quote some more, no, wait, we need another sermon!!! (bah, I already said that) if you find this offensive, well know, I just saw a CAIN member at the Amarr gate in Sarum Prime. In my pod they jumped..... sorry but the flashing red on my overview didnt last long enough to see who it was besides the corp tag. (CAIN just left AM btw, and thus are will be no longer targets soon, a pity) well, I guess I will post this now, and pay no more attention to the truly sad members of PIE Inc. rabble rabble rabble some more. (I havent jumped yet btw, been here for like 30 minutes already, in my pod, sad isnt it?)
Cirale Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 14:04:00 - [53] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 15/05/2007 13:40:49 Originally by: Archbishop Why don't you ask Brother Joshua about our "failure"..... Archbishop Ah so you are claiming that PIE IS relevant to the empire then ? Yes or No. Whenever a representative of the Empire has asked us for assistance, we have been able to provide it. I'll need a Yes or No there Rodj. Is PIE relevant to the empire? I think I just answered that question beloved I didnt mean too, I mean, really , was distracted with other intel from these channels while in my pod while seeing a war target pass by (best wishes to you CAIN, we will tangle horns again I am sure) irrelevant? hell, they are not even present. Defenders of the empire my ass
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 14:04:00 - [54] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Sakura Nihil Originally by: Archbishop Well since you've already admitted your entire war is a smear campaign designed to try and tarnish the reputation and legacy of PIE I decided to try and figure out why. I think Tomahawk hit on the truth in his reply. Jealousy. Not quite fast enough with the edit command Archie. The true reason? Disgust. I can imagine no organization more worthy of destruction than PIE. Hah thats the bit I wanted to preserve for posterity Sakura, you are as good as locking up embarrassing Archbishop quotes as you are squishing pods! I fail to see what's embarrassing about Archbishop pointing out your jealousy. It's a fair comment if you ask me. Quote: And yes, its quite ridiculous really. Exactly why we'd be jealous of PIE is beyond belief. The thing is Archbishop - we are better than you in every way. Better pilots, better ships, better industry, better PR and far better at combat in all fields from space supremacy to galnet discussion. You had a chance to prove us wrong of course but you fluffed it. You chose to run away and hide your head in the sand and try and pretend we didn't matter while getting utterly slaughtered in space and the problem for you is that your corp mates just aren't prepared to sit in stations and post on galnet and listen to your morale blogs. If you're so good, perhaps you'd care to list your achievements and provide proper objective documentation to support your claims? Amongst PIE's achievements are the escort of an Imperial Apocalypse which resulted in our then Admiral receiving a very special reward, our participation in the transport of the Cathedral of St Tal-Ramon, our work in clearing pirates out of Sarum Prime, Bagodan and Hama (it has been argued that this operation was so successful that it played a role in the changes in the security ratings of those systems), the pacification of lower Domain (for which a local holder gave us some of his best slaves, you may remember) and of course, the escort of Brother Joshua. I could give more examples, but I think that I have made the point. Can Star Fraction accurately claim to have served their cause so successfully? Quote: You are going to lose all your fighters because PIE is not a fighting corp. And bottom line, the really painful thing for you which is pretty much evident from the tone of your astounding post above - is that this is all your fault. Just because we choose not to fight you on your terms, it doesn't automatically follow that we never fight. You really must try to rid yourself of your view that everything revolves around you. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 14:06:00 - [55] Originally by: Rodj Blake I fail to see what's embarrassing about Archbishop pointing out your jealousy. It's a fair comment if you ask me. In the context of his response it reveals his inferiority complex. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 14:07:00 - [56] Originally by: Cirale as I fly from Mista to Amarr in my capsule, on auto pilot, enjoying the freedom to explore gal-net, and other worthy destractions (thank you Senior Dante, and a fine collection of the clusters best dancers) I wonder as I idle to the next gate at 187 m/s in my pod (its really a luxury hot tub) WHERE are PIE? defending the empire, no doubt, one station at a time oh wait, my little auto pilot trip is done, guess I can dock and board another ship. well, so much for PIE, the defenders of the empire, the galliant crusaders of god, the final and truest bastions of the amarrian might in the blessed cradle of the home of the emperor himself....... (I am still at the gate, in my pod BTW) rabble some more, no wait, quote some more, no, wait, we need another sermon!!! (bah, I already said that) if you find this offensive, well know, I just saw a CAIN member at the Amarr gate in Sarum Prime. In my pod they jumped..... sorry but the flashing red on my overview didnt last long enough to see who it was besides the corp tag. (CAIN just left AM btw, and thus are will be no longer targets soon, a pity) well, I guess I will post this now, and pay no more attention to the truly sad members of PIE Inc. rabble rabble rabble some more. (I havent jumped yet btw, been here for like 30 minutes already, in my pod, sad isnt it?) For us to defend the Empire from you, you would need to be a threat to the Empire. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 14:08:00 - [57] Originally by: Rodj Blake For us to defend the Empire from you, you would need to be a threat to the Empire. Maybe you'd like to answer my question then. Is PIE relevant to the Empire? Yes or No. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 14:08:00 - [58] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 14:09:14 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 14:06:32 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 15/05/2007 13:40:49 Originally by: Archbishop Why don't you ask Brother Joshua about our "failure"..... Archbishop Ah so you are claiming that PIE IS relevant to the empire then ? Yes or No. Whenever a representative of the Empire has asked us for assistance, we have been able to provide it. I'll need a Yes or No there Rodj. Is PIE relevant to the empire? Whenever the Empire has asked us to be relevant, I like to think that we have been so. Now then, perhaps you would care to explain your relevance? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 14:11:00 - [59] Originally by: Rodj Blake Whenever the Empire has asked us to be relevant, we have been so. Is PIE relevant to the Empire? ... yes or no Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 14:32:00 - [60] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake I fail to see what's embarrassing about Archbishop pointing out your jealousy. It's a fair comment if you ask me. In the context of his response it reveals his inferiority complex. Perhaps you'd care to list the achievements of SF then, so that neutrals may see just how inferior PIE is? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 14:34:00 - [61] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake I fail to see what's embarrassing about Archbishop pointing out your jealousy. It's a fair comment if you ask me. In the context of his response it reveals his inferiority complex. Perhaps you'd care to list the achievements of SF then, so that neutrals may see just how inferior PIE is? I'm still waiting from an answer from you. Is PIE relevant to the Empire ... yes or no? (keep wriggling by all means but people are going to start wondering why it is soooo difficult for you to answer that question sooner or later I think) Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 14:36:00 - [62] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 14:35:45 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 14:34:36 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake I fail to see what's embarrassing about Archbishop pointing out your jealousy. It's a fair comment if you ask me. In the context of his response it reveals his inferiority complex. Perhaps you'd care to list the achievements of SF then, so that neutrals may see just how inferior PIE is? I'm still waiting from an answer from you. Is PIE relevant to the Empire ... yes or no? (keep wriggling by all means but people are going to start wondering why it is soooo difficult for you to answer that question sooner or later I think) I've never been one to blow my own trumpet, which is why I answered in the way I did. It's not a case of are we relevant or not, but rather the degree of our relevance and I think that my earlier answer makes clear the level of our relevance to the Empire. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 14:39:00 - [63] Originally by: Rodj Blake It's not a case of are we relevant or not, but rather the degree of our relevance and I think that my earlier answer makes clear the level of our relevance to the Empire. It doesn't actually. I've asked a simple question with a Yes / No answer and so far you've evaded, wriggled, pontificated and done absolutely everything to avoid answering the question. Why does this question scare you so much? Star Fraction is recruiting
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar	Posted - 2007.05.15 14:43:00 - [64] Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 15/05/2007 14:42:31 this is just one snap shot mind, I have many but there are rules about posting more than one image. make a dent in that or shut up. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 14:46:00 - [65] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake It's not a case of are we relevant or not, but rather the degree of our relevance and I think that my earlier answer makes clear the level of our relevance to the Empire. It doesn't actually. I've asked a simple question with a Yes / No answer and so far you've evaded, wriggled, pontificated and done absolutely everything to avoid answering the question. Why does this question scare you so much? I refer you my earlier answer. I think that the good people of the cluster will be able to decide upon our relevance without a simplistic yes/no response. I accept that SF members may have some difficulty thinking in anything other than black/white terms and I'm sure that such a distinction is possible in Jasmineland, but unfortunately that's not the way the real world works. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Axen Vormar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 14:49:00 - [66] Edited by: Axen Vormar on 15/05/2007 14:47:34 Quite a heated debate, I have to admit. chuckles The Empire is not as great as you might remember it from your legends, there is no Emperor, insane Heirs rising and a strong opposition to the reclaiming from the "outside". The capsule pilots will determine the future, not the Empires that exist and certainly not the ones who support them. Well, we will make sure of the latter atleast.
Cirale Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 14:56:00 - [67] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 14:28:28 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Whenever the Empire has asked us to be relevant, we have been so. Is PIE relevant to the Empire? ... yes or no It isn't for me to give a definitive answer to that question, particularly as there are often degrees of relevance. Instead of giving you a yes/no answer, I'll give some samples of the ways in which we have served the Empire, and then the good people of the cluster will be able to decide for themselves just how relevant we are. * We escorted an Imperial Apocalypse home to Amarr. * Our sermons and speeches have reached the farthest corners of the Empire and beyond. * We have pacified low security areas of the Empire and received recognition for our actions. * We have escorted dangerous prisoners on behalf of the Empire. * We have helped the Speakers of Truth. Now, if these events had any impact on the Empire, then it follows that we have some relevance. Perhaps you would care to list some of SF's achievements so that we may judge your relevance? I find your whole corp irrelant, Rodj. Screw all your BS and quoting and blah blah blah. Infact I just accepted a duel VS one of your fresh recruits. I had no Battlecruiser class ship to match his, but I accepted the challenge a cruiser. The outcome was obvious, and are viewable on our public records (which you cowards do not choose to display or share, perhaps wisely) I felt pity for this young pilot, yet also admiration. He came to Amarr, with the sole purpose of engaging me, and displayed such honor and courage that I dare say NOBODY in your ranks possess. He even had skillbooks in his hold. I ofcourse advised him after the demise of ship to seek more appropriate company. It is too bad that PIE turned out to be such a Toothless tiger, all bark and no bite. You can say that we havent hurt you all day, but the reality is, have you hurt us? We have declared war on you, and it seems truly a waste of ISK. How sad, you really have no base to stand on, you bunch of spineless worms, I honestly pity you as you were presented with a real challenge and utterly failed to match the Free Captians of the Star Fraction in space. Maybe one day you will be respected again, as for now, in the opinion of this pod pilot, you guys suck.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 15:00:00 - [68] Originally by: Rodj Blake I think that the good people of the cluster will be able to decide upon our relevance without a simplistic yes/no response. I accept that SF members may have some difficulty thinking in anything other than black/white terms and I'm sure that such a distinction is possible in Jasmineland, but unfortunately that's not the way the real world works. The reason you can't answer Yes / No rodj is quite obvious I'm afraid. What you want to say is "Yes (we are relevant when winning) but No (we are no relevant when losing)" but you can't have it both ways. Either you are relevant to the Amarrian Empire or you are not. You can't be revelant sometimes but not others. You can't have it both ways. So which is it. Is PIE relevant to the Amarrian Empire or not? Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 15:01:00 - [69] Originally by: Cirale I find your whole corp irrelant, Rodj. You find us so irrelevant that you choose to belong to an alliance that has declared war on us. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 15:03:00 - [70] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake I think that the good people of the cluster will be able to decide upon our relevance without a simplistic yes/no response. I accept that SF members may have some difficulty thinking in anything other than black/white terms and I'm sure that such a distinction is possible in Jasmineland, but unfortunately that's not the way the real world works. The reason you can't answer Yes / No rodj is quite obvious I'm afraid. What you want to say is "Yes (we are relevant when winning) but No (we are no relevant when losing)" but you can't have it both ways. Either you are relevant to the Amarrian Empire or you are not. You can't be revelant sometimes but not others. You can't have it both ways. So which is it. Is PIE relevant to the Amarrian Empire or not? I really don't see the point to your question. After all, it's clear that you consider us to be relevant, otherwise you wouldn't have declared war on us and used so many words on us. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.15 15:06:00 - [71] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 14:51:48 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake It's not a case of are we relevant or not, but rather the degree of our relevance and I think that my earlier answer makes clear the level of our relevance to the Empire. It doesn't actually. I've asked a simple question with a Yes / No answer and so far you've evaded, wriggled, pontificated and done absolutely everything to avoid answering the question. Why does this question scare you so much? I refer you to my earlier answer. I think that the good people of the cluster will be able to decide upon our relevance without a simplistic yes/no response. I accept that SF members may have some difficulty thinking in anything other than black/white terms and I'm sure that such a distinction is possible in Jasmineland, but unfortunately that's not the way the real world works. No it's time you've left Rodjland and return to the real world. PIE has become as stagnant as the Empire it supports and therefore, irrelevant as a corp. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.15 15:08:00 - [72] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 12:21:31 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 12:12:25 Having said that though, we do take the threat from U'K and their new Ev0ke overlords very seriously indeed and will most likely be continuing combat operations against them for some time. I should ask for these memo's about the changes in leadership structure... you'd think someone would let a fleet admiral know if we were ceding control of the fleet to another organisation.... I'll look for your ship on the battlefield and if you do feel like bringing out something larger than a BS we'll be sure to give you a warm reception :) Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 15:09:00 - [73] Originally by: Casserina Leshrac Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 14:51:48 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake It's not a case of are we relevant or not, but rather the degree of our relevance and I think that my earlier answer makes clear the level of our relevance to the Empire. It doesn't actually. I've asked a simple question with a Yes / No answer and so far you've evaded, wriggled, pontificated and done absolutely everything to avoid answering the question. Why does this question scare you so much? I refer you to my earlier answer. I think that the good people of the cluster will be able to decide upon our relevance without a simplistic yes/no response. I accept that SF members may have some difficulty thinking in anything other than black/white terms and I'm sure that such a distinction is possible in Jasmineland, but unfortunately that's not the way the real world works. No it's time you've left Rodjland and return to the real world. PIE has become as stagnant as the Empire it supports and therefore, irrelevant as a corp. Perhaps you'd care to list Bloodveil's achievements (the non-made up ones) then? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 15:09:00 - [74] Originally by: Sapphrine Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 12:21:31 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 12:12:25 Having said that though, we do take the threat from U'K and their new Ev0ke overlords very seriously indeed and will most likely be continuing combat operations against them for some time. I should ask for these memo's about the changes in leadership structure... you'd think someone would let a fleet admiral know if we were ceding control of the fleet to another organisation.... I'll look for your ship on the battlefield and if you do feel like bringing out something larger than a BS we'll be sure to give you a warm reception :) I refer you to Tomahawk Bliss' picture above. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.15 15:20:00 - [75] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 15/05/2007 14:42:31 this is just one snap shot mind, I have many but there are rules about posting more than one image. make a dent in that or shut up. Whilst I appreciate that you are in fact targetting solely SF with the request to kill your capital ships I do have to ask.... What makes you think any of those ships are safe given the substantial number of them that have recently become burning wrecks around 9uy? It is a shame your presence in space is so small in comparison to your caterwauling on these boards. Possibly spend more time in the pod fighting? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 15:27:00 - [76] Originally by: Rodj Blake I really don't see the point to your question. After all, it's clear that you consider us to be relevant, otherwise you wouldn't have declared war on us and used so many words on us. If you don't see the point of it what do you lose by answering it? Its a simple question. Do you consider PIE Inc. Is relevant to the Amarrian Empire? Why are you terrified to answer this? Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 15:34:00 - [77] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake I really don't see the point to your question. After all, it's clear that you consider us to be relevant, otherwise you wouldn't have declared war on us and used so many words on us. If you don't see the point of it what do you lose by answering it? Its a simple question. Do you consider PIE Inc. Is relevant to the Amarrian Empire? Why are you terrified to answer this? I have already answered your question. More than once. Just because my answer wasn't to your liking, it doesn't follow that you can go on and on asking it in the hope that I'll give you the answer that you are looking for. I consider that particular matter to now be at an end. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar	Posted - 2007.05.15 15:35:00 - [78] Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 15/05/2007 15:34:21 Originally by: Sapphrine Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 15/05/2007 14:42:31 this is just one snap shot mind, I have many but there are rules about posting more than one image. make a dent in that or shut up. Whilst I appreciate that you are in fact targetting solely SF with the request to kill your capital ships I do have to ask.... What makes you think any of those ships are safe given the substantial number of them that have recently become burning wrecks around 9uy? It is a shame your presence in space is so small in comparison to your caterwauling on these boards. Possibly spend more time in the pod fighting? the whole point was that you said they don't fly any big ships. you are wrong, obviously. you did admit PIE are out there though, which doesn't help SF's propoganda. but you don't give PIE the credit they earn by fire and death. edit: just to be clear I was not saying SF should go out there and attack PIE, they know they would be butchered by vastly superior fleets. it would be suicide, hence their baseing in secure space. that post was for you. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 15:42:00 - [79] Originally by: Rodj Blake I have already answered your question. More than once. Just because my answer wasn't to your liking, it doesn't follow that you can go on and on asking it in the hope that I'll give you the answer that you are looking for. I consider that particular matter to now be at an end. No Rodj you haven't answered my question. It is very clear to everyone here you have performed linguistic gymnastics to avoid answering it. I want a Yes or No answer without all the wriggling. Is PIE Inc. Relevant to the Amarrian Empire? YES/NO. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 15:53:00 - [80] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake I have already answered your question. More than once. Just because my answer wasn't to your liking, it doesn't follow that you can go on and on asking it in the hope that I'll give you the answer that you are looking for. I consider that particular matter to now be at an end. No Rodj you haven't answered my question. It is very clear to everyone here you have performed linguistic gymnastics to avoid answering it. I want a Yes or No answer without all the wriggling. Is PIE Inc. Relevant to the Amarrian Empire? YES/NO. I was under the impression that this was a debate rather than a multiple chioce questionnaire with you as the quiz master. As such, I refer you here. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Khades Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 16:07:00 - [81] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake I have already answered your question. More than once. Just because my answer wasn't to your liking, it doesn't follow that you can go on and on asking it in the hope that I'll give you the answer that you are looking for. I consider that particular matter to now be at an end. No Rodj you haven't answered my question. It is very clear to everyone here you have performed linguistic gymnastics to avoid answering it. I want a Yes or No answer without all the wriggling. Is PIE Inc. Relevant to the Amarrian Empire? YES/NO. I was under the impression that this was a debate rather than a multiple chioce questionnaire with you as the quiz master. As such, I refer you here. Wow. It took you this long to realize there were only two answers to pick from?
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 16:11:00 - [82] Originally by: Rodj Blake I was under the impression that this was a debate rather than a multiple chioce questionnaire with you as the quiz master. No Rodj its a yes or no question. Is PIE Inc. relevant to the Amarrian Empire. Yes : you are relevant. No : you are not relevant. Why is this so incredibly and painfully difficult for you to answer? Star Fraction is recruiting
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.15 16:16:00 - [83] PIE is and always has been a figurehead. That is much more than can be said about Hypocrite Fiction, who are indeed largely irrelevant to everyone. Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 16:24:00 - [84] Originally by: Tharrn PIE is and always has been a figurehead. That is much more than can be said about Hypocrite Fiction, who are indeed largely irrelevant to everyone. Is Vigilia Valeria relevant to the Amarrian Empire? Yes or No please. Star Fraction is recruiting
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.15 16:24:00 - [85] Edited by: Sapphrine on 15/05/2007 16:23:29 Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss (Rambling and a rare shot of a PIE cap ship undocked!) this is just one snap shot mind, I have many but there are rules about posting more than one image. make a dent in that or shut up. Whilst I appreciate that you are in fact targetting solely SF with the request to kill your capital ships I do have to ask.... What makes you think any of those ships are safe given the substantial number of them that have recently become burning wrecks around 9uy? It is a shame your presence in space is so small in comparison to your caterwauling on these boards. Possibly spend more time in the pod fighting? the whole point was that you said they don't fly any big ships. you are wrong, obviously. you did admit PIE are out there though, which doesn't help SF's propoganda. but you don't give PIE the credit they earn by fire and death. edit: just to be clear I was not saying SF should go out there and attack PIE, they know they would be butchered by vastly superior fleets. it would be suicide, hence their baseing in secure space. that post was for you. One might then ask where all those mighty cap ships have been after their initial slaughter little hawk. Again I suggest that you actually get in a pod and start fighting with your ship. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.15 16:44:00 - [86] Originally by: Tharrn PIE is and always has been a figurehead. That is much more than can be said about Hypocrite Fiction, who are indeed largely irrelevant to everyone. PIE is a figurehead for what? The Empire? I should hope not. The Empire has enough agencies in place for that purpose. It's no wonder that the Sani Sabik will be the new spiritual leaders of the Empire when this is over. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Sami Yahn'ko Gallente The Butterfly Rebellion	Posted - 2007.05.15 17:02:00 - [87] "...you abandoned your original mission in the cluster of freeing space from tyrannical 0.0 governments...securing free 0.0 space for pilots..." These words here from Mr. Archbishop truly are quite staggering. Mr. Archbishop, you appear to be an expert on the minutiae of their involvements in wars stretching back years and years, into almost forgotten history, certainly well before my time in the capsule. Despite that however, you do not appear to even have the most basic grasp of what it is the Fraction actually stand for or fights against. Now...I can give you the benefit of the doubt, assume you're not willfully misrepresenting the obvious facts, and thereby deduce that you're quite possibly the most unintelligent pilot in the cluster. Or conversely, I can give you the benefit of the doubt, assume you're actually intelligent enough to grasp the true nature of the Fraction's work, and thereby deduce that you're quite possibly the most inept liar in the cluster. The facts of the matter are so incredibly obvious; the Fraction has time and time again made strenuous claims that it does not and will not secure space for anyone, and yet you state this as their "original mission"? Goodness me... They are not police. Do you realize this? It's not an incredibly difficult concept you know. Are you a fool, or do you take the rest of us to be one?
Tareen Kashaar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 17:21:00 - [88] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake stuff The reason you can't answer Yes / No rodj is quite obvious I'm afraid. What you want to say is "Yes (we are relevant when winning) but No (we are no relevant when losing)" but you can't have it both ways. Either you are relevant to the Amarrian Empire or you are not. You can't be revelant sometimes but not others. You can't have it both ways. So which is it. Is PIE relevant to the Amarrian Empire or not? Oh Jasmine, I really wonder why you waste so much energy on this poor squirming worm. The true reason why he doesn't want to answer should be apparent to any and all unbiased reader now, and his continuous attempts to defy you are just his personality ruining his PR. It really is amusing to see him wriggle like that though, so if he does keep it up, all the better for the audience. On a side note, asking PIE whether they are relevant to the empire... maybe we should ask someone with actual authority instead. These guys certainly don't have any of that. --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar	Posted - 2007.05.15 17:42:00 - [89] Originally by: Sapphrine Again I suggest that you actually get in a pod and start fighting with your ship. I'm gonna assume you aren't the offical Ushra'Khan spindoctor, because that would be sad...very sad. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 17:46:00 - [90] Originally by: Tareen Kashaar Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake stuff The reason you can't answer Yes / No rodj is quite obvious I'm afraid. What you want to say is "Yes (we are relevant when winning) but No (we are no relevant when losing)" but you can't have it both ways. Either you are relevant to the Amarrian Empire or you are not. You can't be revelant sometimes but not others. You can't have it both ways. So which is it. Is PIE relevant to the Amarrian Empire or not? On a side note, asking PIE whether they are relevant to the empire... maybe we should ask someone with actual authority instead. These guys certainly don't have any of that. Rodj's whole point appears to be just that! It is not his place to say, so instead he gave actions PIE had been involved with and left the decision to the outsiders. Glad to see you at least partially understand. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2007.05.15 17:50:00 - [91] Originally by: Tareen Kashaar maybe we should ask someone with actual authority instead. These guys certainly don't have any of that. those two Emperor's have joined God in His holy kingdom. however Deacon Lorenzo Azir might be reachable. Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 18:02:00 - [92] Originally by: Reash Rodj's whole point appears to be just that! It is not his place to say, so instead he gave actions PIE had been involved with and left the decision to the outsiders. Glad to see you at least partially understand. Maybe you can answer the question Reash. Is CVA Relevant to the Amarrian empire, yes or no? Star Fraction is recruiting
Cassandra Bontecou Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 18:25:00 - [93] Edited by: Cassandra Bontecou on 15/05/2007 18:24:07 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Is CVA Relevant to the Amarrian empire, yes or no? Our's is not too ask, merely to serve.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 18:33:00 - [94] Originally by: Cassandra Bontecou Our's is not too ask, merely to serve. So who asked you to go to providence? Star Fraction is recruiting
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 18:47:00 - [95] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Cassandra Bontecou Our's is not too ask, merely to serve. So who asked you to go to providence? Are you intentionally missing the point? CVA are in providence of its own free will, our goals are to expand Amarr influence into the region, however, we are not the Amarr empire...so i shall suggest what has already been suggested again in the hope you may get the point. Perhaps you are asking the wrong people? ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 18:52:00 - [96] Originally by: Reash Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Cassandra Bontecou Our's is not too ask, merely to serve. So who asked you to go to providence? Are you intentionally missing the point? CVA are in providence of its own free will, our goals are to expand Amarr influence into the region, however, we are not the Amarr empire...so i shall suggest what has already been suggested again in the hope you may get the point. Perhaps you are asking the wrong people? Well one of you says "Our's is not too ask, merely to serve." while the other says "CVA are in providence of its own free will" which is true? Star Fraction is recruiting
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 19:00:00 - [97] Edited by: Reash on 15/05/2007 18:58:38 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Reash Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Cassandra Bontecou Our's is not too ask, merely to serve. So who asked you to go to providence? Are you intentionally missing the point? CVA are in providence of its own free will, our goals are to expand Amarr influence into the region, however, we are not the Amarr empire...so i shall suggest what has already been suggested again in the hope you may get the point. Perhaps you are asking the wrong people? Well one of you says "Our's is not too ask, merely to serve." while the other says "CVA are in providence of its own free will" which is true? I cannot speak of his exact meaning but i could give a few examples. Perhaps he is speaking of himself personally serving as he is told by CVA leadership. (in this example) Perhaps he is speaking of serving the empire to the best of his ability under the guidlines set by the empire. (the meaning of not ask questions here meaning it is not our place but to do what we can under the guidelines, and of course assist with any specific requests) I do not see the problem with either statment? Neither insists that we were told to go to providence. However i agree alone the one statment could have been misleading. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Cassandra Bontecou Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 19:00:00 - [98] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Reash Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Cassandra Bontecou Our's is not too ask, merely to serve. So who asked you to go to providence? Are you intentionally missing the point? CVA are in providence of its own free will, our goals are to expand Amarr influence into the region, however, we are not the Amarr empire...so i shall suggest what has already been suggested again in the hope you may get the point. Perhaps you are asking the wrong people? Well one of you says "Our's is not too ask, merely to serve." while the other says "CVA are in providence of its own free will" which is true? How are those different?
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 19:08:00 - [99] Originally by: Cassandra Bontecou How are those different? Well one suggests you serve at the pleasure of the Amarrian Empire and they tell you what to do. The other suggests they don't care about you and you do whatever you choose to do. Hence it all comes back to my core and (yet unanswered) question. Are you Amarrian nationalists relevant to the Amarrian Empire ... Yes or No? Star Fraction is recruiting
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 19:34:00 - [100] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 15/05/2007 19:32:48 How utterly predictable. SF proves once again that they think that they are the only entity of any importance in the cosmos. If you want a fight so badly, I suggest you come to where the important fight of the day actually is. PIE has never claimed territory precicely so that it can be where that fight is, not sitting in Amarr to fight you. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.15 19:44:00 - [101] Jasmine, perhaps I can clarify the issue. Before my joining Bloodveil, I too followed the ways of the nationalists. According to the indoctrination that we all received as children, it was our pleasure, to serve the Empire which was also to serve God. Of course now that I know there really is no God this is a non-issue in regards to me. Additionally, the Empire is also renowned for its policy of manifest destiny in regards for the rest of the galaxy. This is in turn is passed down through the ritualized brainwashing of the masses. The Amarr serve the Empire, in turn the Empire serves God. And God wants to oppress the rest of the galaxy. Are they relevant to the Empire? The answer is they think they are even though they really can't admit just in case they get struck by lightning or something. Again I point out that there is no God. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 19:47:00 - [102] Quote: Jasmine, perhaps I can clarify the issue. Before my joining Bloodveil, I too followed the ways of the nationalists. Revan's catspaw never fails to deliver on amusing lies. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Kovid Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 19:57:00 - [103] Originally by: Casserina Leshrac Are they relevant to the Empire? The answer is they think they are even though they really can't admit just in case they get struck by lightning or something. Again I point out that there is no God. If that is the case it follows the line of thinking towards god. Before a battle, or self important, mindclash match, or even less important event, a religious person would pray he would be victorious over his foes whether they believed in the same god or not. Essentially asking for favoritism from the higher power and diminishing the role they played in the actual event. The point being their role is of a puppet. For if win it was proof of faith and god loves them. For if they loose it was one of many responses: "a test of faith" "meant to be" "god has a plan for all of us" ---------------------------------- An informal Star Fraction FAQ \| ----------------------------------
Cassandra Bontecou Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 20:06:00 - [104] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Cassandra Bontecou How are those different? Well one suggests you serve at the pleasure of the Amarrian Empire and they tell you what to do. The other suggests they don't care about you and you do whatever you choose to do. Hence it all comes back to my core and (yet unanswered) question. Are you Amarrian nationalists relevant to the Amarrian Empire ... Yes or No? Hmmm.... Well I'm merely a heathen-born Defender of the Faith, so I'm certain Lord Reash would know better then I. But it seems rather simple. CVA created Operation Deliverance inside Providence as a means of bringing Amarrian Law (and more importantly our one true Faith) to a lawlessness, ignorant, morally bankrupt, backwater little corner of space. Does that mean that the great houses of Amarr read of our victories here in Providence and cheer? Or that they brood on our set backs? I certainly wouldn't deign to say. However I know the multitudes of Amarrian civilians in lower Domain and Providence cheer and brood with us. I know the local magistrates, merchants, and lords give thanks daily for the safety and security we in CVA provide them. What does that all mean in regards to your glib question about our relevance to the Empire? We [CVA] came to Deliverance to settle it using the Empires precepts to guide us; Faith, Prosperity, Stability, and Security. And as Lord Reash has said we did this of our own free will. Thusly wWith every success we expand the Empirical sphere of influence, and so we serve. The war rolls on
MirrorGod	Posted - 2007.05.15 20:11:00 - [105] Originally by: Casserina Leshrac The Amarr serve the Empire, in turn the Empire serves God. And God wants to oppress the rest of the galaxy. To simplify, the loyalist are slaves to that which doesn't exist, blind fools to the service power hungry priests and politicians who are quite happy to elevate themselves and fatten their wallets through the means of "God". Are they relevant to the Empire? Perhaps...is the Empire relevant? No. snip your sig is too large. Maximum sig size is 24,000 bytes, your current sig is 40,174 bytes - Karass Sayfo
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 20:36:00 - [106] Originally by: Casserina Leshrac Again I point out that there is no God. And it seems like it was only last week that you said that there was a God. Oh wait, it was only last week. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.15 20:59:00 - [107] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Casserina Leshrac Again I point out that there is no God. And it seems like it was only last week that you said that there was a God. Oh wait, it was only last week. But you still haven't answered Jasmine's question. Is PIE relevant to the the Empire? Remember all you have to say is "yes" or "no". Let's us stay on this topic, shall we? Inquiring minds would like know. And no more wiggling please. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 21:10:00 - [108] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 21:11:16 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 21:08:34 Originally by: Casserina Leshrac But you still haven't answered Jasmine's question. Is PIE relevant to the the Empire? Remember all you have to say is "yes" or "no". Let's us stay on this topic, shall we? Inquiring minds would like know. And no more wiggling please. Nicely evaded there. I expected nothing less from you. Actually, the topic under discussion is the events of the last couple of weeks rather than the more general "issue" of PIE's relevance. So yes, let's all stay on topic. Oh, and by the way, I have already answered the question as effectively as possible given that I do not directly speak on behalf of the Empire. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 21:19:00 - [109] Originally by: Rodj Blake Oh, and by the way, I have already answered the question as effectively as possible given that I do not directly speak on behalf of the Empire. So you are incapable of answering a simple YES/NO question then about whether PIE is relevant to the empire? Is it because you don't know? Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 21:25:00 - [110] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 21:24:23 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 21:23:17 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Oh, and by the way, I have already answered the question as effectively as possible given that I do not directly speak on behalf of the Empire. So you are incapable of answering a simple YES/NO question then about whether PIE is relevant to the empire? Is it because you don't know? You're asking whether or not PIE is relevant to the Empire. The only organisation which can give the definitive answer to that question is the Empire. It's like me asking you "Is Jasmine important to The Cosmopolite - yes or no?" Now, you could give a yes/no answer, but the only person who can really say whether or not you are important to The Cosmopolite is The Cosmopolite himself. You could ask me "Is the Empire relevant to PIE - yes or no?", and I could give you a one word definitive answer without any difficulty whatsoever. But you'll have to ask a duly appointed official of the Empire for the definitive answer on whether or not we're relevant to them. This is why there were comments from imperial officials linked in my earlier response to your question. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 21:39:00 - [111] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 21:24:23 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 21:23:17 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Oh, and by the way, I have already answered the question as effectively as possible given that I do not directly speak on behalf of the Empire. So you are incapable of answering a simple YES/NO question then about whether PIE is relevant to the empire? Is it because you don't know? You're asking whether or not PIE is relevant to the Empire. The only organisation which can give the definitive answer to that question is the Empire. It's like me asking you "Is Jasmine important to The Cosmopolite - yes or no?" Now, you could give a yes/no answer, but the only person who can really say whether or not you are important to The Cosmopolite is The Cosmopolite himself. You could ask me "Is the Empire relevant to PIE - yes or no?", and I could give you a one word definitive answer without any difficulty whatsoever. But you'll have to ask a duly appointed official of the Empire for the definitive answer on whether or not we're relevant to them. This is why there were comments from imperial officials linked in my earlier response to your question. So are you saying you don't know? Star Fraction is recruiting
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 21:43:00 - [112] So are you saying that you are incapable of reading? Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 21:45:00 - [113] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri So are you saying that you are incapable of reading? I am quite capable of reading. The problem is you seem incapable of answering a simple question. Now, we've heard hundreds of times that PIE people are prepared to say that Star Fraction is not relevant to the empire. You seemed very happy to speak on behalf of the Empire officials then. But now I am asking you if PIE Inc. is relevant to the Empire suddenly you clam up and can't answer. I wonder why that is? Star Fraction is recruiting
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.15 21:46:00 - [114] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 21:24:23 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 21:23:17 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Oh, and by the way, I have already answered the question as effectively as possible given that I do not directly speak on behalf of the Empire. So you are incapable of answering a simple YES/NO question then about whether PIE is relevant to the empire? Is it because you don't know? No but your motto does "For God and Empire". I submit, that you believe that you are relevant. Therefore your answer would be "yes" whether or not you care to admit it. You're asking whether or not PIE is relevant to the Empire. The only organisation which can give the definitive answer to that question is the Empire. It's like me asking you "Is Jasmine important to The Cosmopolite - yes or no?" Now, you could give a yes/no answer, but the only person who can really say whether or not you are important to The Cosmopolite is The Cosmopolite himself. You could ask me "Is the Empire relevant to PIE - yes or no?", and I could give you a one word definitive answer without any difficulty whatsoever. But you'll have to ask a duly appointed official of the Empire for the definitive answer on whether or not we're relevant to them. This is why there were comments from imperial officials linked in my earlier response to your question. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 21:46:00 - [115] So you are saying that you are incapable of reading an answer when it was given? Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 21:53:00 - [116] Originally by: Rodj Blake Of course, a lot of the issue revolves around precisely how one defines relevance - as per my previous comments relevance is an on/off thing, there's a continuum of relevance. Stop wriggling Rodj. Just give me a YES or NO answer or just quit it or go away. Is PIE Inc (the self styled "defenders of the Empire" relevant to the Amarr Empire? Yes or No. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 21:55:00 - [117] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 21:57:21 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 21:54:12 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Because you have been answered many times, just not in the format you wished. I can answer, without a doubt, that PIE has done more good for the Empire than SF has done it harm. But thats not hard, as the amount of harm SF has done is exceeded by your average pirate in providence. So you think that PIE is relevant to the empire then ? YES or NO ? (My bold for emphasis) Now that you've tacitly accepted that your question has been answered by asking a slightly different question, perhaps you would care to answer my earlier question and verifiably list for us the successes of Jericho Fraction so that sensible people may judge your relevance? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 21:56:00 - [118] Why should I, for it is so much more amusing to make you actually have to think through the real explanation already given to you rather than a simple true false question. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.15 22:02:00 - [119] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Why should I, for it is so much more amusing to make you actually have to think through the real explanation already given to you rather than a simple true false question. Actually I am finding you and Rodj extremely entertaining as well. The both of you dodging a simple answer to a simple question. You both know the answer and yet you don't. I guess it's time to get the popcorn Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 22:07:00 - [120] Originally by: Casserina Leshrac Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Why should I, for it is so much more amusing to make you actually have to think through the real explanation already given to you rather than a simple true false question. Actually I am finding you and Rodj extremely entertaining as well. The both of you dodging a simple answer to a simple question. You both know the answer and yet you don't. I guess it's time to get the popcorn Answer here, clarification here. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 22:10:00 - [121] Yet Rodj answered Jasmine's question in a more complete manner than either of her black and white options with their undoubtedly prewritten follow up insults attached. Otherwise, why would Jasmine respond with the insistance that it be answered only the way she wants it answered? Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 22:18:00 - [122] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Yet Rodj answered Jasmine's question in a more complete manner than either of her black and white options with their undoubtedly prewritten follow up insults attached. Its a simple question Gaven. To be quite honest I'm amazed at how difficult you are finding it too answer. You are a self professed loyalist corporation who have devoted yourself for four years! to serving this empire and you can't even tell me whether you are relevant or not to that which you try to serve? Why does this question scare you so much? Is PIE relevant to the Amarrian Empire? Just answer the question Yes or No. Star Fraction is recruiting
Katyayani Koriau Amarr Auto De Fe	Posted - 2007.05.15 22:27:00 - [123] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Yet Rodj answered Jasmine's question in a more complete manner than either of her black and white options with their undoubtedly prewritten follow up insults attached. Otherwise, why would Jasmine respond with the insistance that it be answered only the way she wants it answered? With respect to you Admiral Lok'ri no Rodj Blake has not answered the question. And I for one am wondering why a member of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris with he motto "for god and empire" is unable to rightfully claim its share of glory for past deeds and magnificant accomplishments. You are letting these anarchist scum drive you into hiding your pride and confidence under rocks. Stand up straight and tell them yes PIE is relevant to the Empire because you are!
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.15 22:36:00 - [124] Originally by: Katyayani Koriau Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Yet Rodj answered Jasmine's question in a more complete manner than either of her black and white options with their undoubtedly prewritten follow up insults attached. Otherwise, why would Jasmine respond with the insistance that it be answered only the way she wants it answered? With respect to you Admiral Lok'ri no Rodj Blake has not answered the question. And I for one am wondering why a member of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris with he motto "for god and empire" is unable to rightfully claim its share of glory for past deeds and magnificant accomplishments. You are letting these anarchist scum drive you into hiding your pride and confidence under rocks. Stand up straight and tell them yes PIE is relevant to the Empire because you are! The point that is PIE is no longer relevant to the Empire. Past deeds aside, they have proven themselves to cowards, preferring to allow other corps to their fighting for them as the find "more important" things to do and claim that it is "for empire and God". Their wishy-washy answers are no longer acceptable. Jasmine has called them out and they have yet to answer the question. Aside from the fact that I am Sani Sabik, this is a poor display for any Amarrian corp. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.15 22:42:00 - [125] Edited by: Tharrn on 15/05/2007 22:42:50 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Is Vigilia Valeria relevant to the Amarrian Empire? Yes or No please. Why would I care if we are 'relevant' for as long as we do our duty, act when called upon and are recommended for our service to the Empire by the authorities we work for? Not everyone shares your narcissistic personality disorder of having to be 'relevant' at all cost. Edit: spehling Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 22:58:00 - [126] Originally by: Tharrn Why would I care if we are 'relevant' for as long as we do our duty, act when called upon and are recommended for our service to the Empire by the authorities we work for? Not everyone shares your narcissistic personality disorder of having to be 'relevant' at all cost. So you can't answer the question either? What is it with you Amarrian paramilitaries and this question - why does it scare you so much? Star Fraction is recruiting
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.15 23:17:00 - [127] Edited by: Sapphrine on 15/05/2007 23:16:19 Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Originally by: Sapphrine Again I suggest that you actually get in a pod and start fighting with your ship. I'm gonna assume you aren't the offical Ushra'Khan spindoctor, because that would be sad...very sad. Honestly I have to say I rarely see your ship out there. I see the likes of Siobhan, Solusar and load of notable pilots of the CVA on a day to day basis but the only place I ever recall having seen you is here on the forums. Given the amount of engagements i've FC'd over the past year you'd think i'd at least have noticed you in space if you were of importance. I feel your ability to have been involved in the killing of a single interceptor class ship isn't due to your constant and tireless role as a covert nor do i think it has anything to do with your capabilities to Command a Fleet. I think it simply has to do with being .... absent... from the field of battle on an awfully large number of occasions. Again, get out there prove you're a more competent pilot than you are orator. (edit for spag) Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.15 23:29:00 - [128] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine So you can't answer the question either? What is it with you Amarrian paramilitaries and this question - why does it scare you so much? I just have no other answer - spin it as much as you like. Or is the concept of not caring about it so befuddling to you as your whole world resolves around it? Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.15 23:54:00 - [129] Originally by: Tharrn Edited by: Tharrn on 15/05/2007 22:42:50 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Is Vigilia Valeria relevant to the Amarrian Empire? Yes or No please. Why would I care if we are 'relevant' for as long as we do our duty, act when called upon and are recommended for our service to the Empire by the authorities we work for? Not everyone shares your narcissistic personality disorder of having to be 'relevant' at all cost. Edit: spehling Ah yes, doing your duty for a dying empire dedicating itself to its dead god. Pathetic. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 00:07:00 - [130] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Because you have been answered many times, just not in the format you wished. I can answer, without a doubt, that PIE has done more good for the Empire than SF has done it harm. But thats not hard, as the amount of harm SF has done is exceeded by your average pirate in providence. So you think that PIE is relevant to the empire then ? YES or NO ? To speed things up as i have found this before my friends in PIE. Can you be a little more specific? I personally do not think a question like this can be answered in one word. Unless of course the whole intention is to attempt to spin the answer in favour of the Star Fraction? But that wouldn;t be your style would it?... ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
GulletSplitter Minmatar Colonial Fleet Services	Posted - 2007.05.16 00:42:00 - [131] Nice write up again Jasmine. I've begun looking foward to the write ups if not the accusation/denial stuff that happens after it. Though I must say it's been kinda fun watching the verbal jousting in an attempt to get an answer from PIE. Nice "not quite direct answer" as well Rodj. And I mean this with no sarcasm. I do understand why you're not answering and why SF is still pushing you for an answer. I think either way you answer there won't be a right answer. To borrow a few religious terms "It's damned if you do...or damned if you don't".
CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2007.05.16 00:58:00 - [132] Originally by: Kovid For if win it was proof of faith and god loves them. For if they loose it was one of many responses: "a test of faith" "meant to be" "god has a plan for all of us" That is a very two dimensional estimation of religious conviction. Life is rarely so simplistic. Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 03:12:00 - [133] As we can't speak for the Empires feelings about us perhaps the real question should be this.... 'Would the Empire continually ask for the assistance of a group it feels is irrelevant?' I will let everyone answer that one on their own. This is the great thing about being PIE. No pretense. We are what we are and thats what we are. We are happy to let history determine what our legacy in Eve will be. We asked not for one nor do we demand others respect it. Rodj has listed several examples of successful operations PIE has performed to aide our Empire.... An Empire which continues to request our assistance from time to time. We will let everyone draw their own conclusions. After all we're "just PIE". It's just that simple. I do know on several occasions authorized representatives of the Empire from Deacons to Priests to Imperial Chancellors have thanked PIE publically for its service to God and Empire. I know the personal communications I've shared with such representatives have made me both proud and humble and even more willing to serve as it has all who fly under the banner of the Amarr Empire. When you live to serve something greater than yourself and not your own ego you have the benefit of keeping it simple. That's enough for us. We'll be here long after you've gone from Amarr and onto your next "conquest". A testament to your failure to understand anything about us. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 05:48:00 - [134] I still remember the amount of smacktalk I was presented with by Star Fraction when pushing a simple question in the beginning stages of this war: "If you expect others to respect your right to wage war on whomever you wish and in whatever fashion you desire, should you not extend the same courtesy to others?" The amount of dodging I saw on that account, the outright refusal for such a yes/no answer that Little Jasmine Constantine has come to love so much and the obvious double standards of SF rhetoric became clear to me at that time. Today, as ever, Star Fraction is chastizing the Amarr Block for believeing that U'K is a far greater threat to the Amarr Empire than Star Fraction. I guess this actually relates back to the question posted by me all those weeks ago - are we to be allowed to prioritize our enemies, or is that a job for Star Fraction: "If you expect others to respect your right to wage war on whomever you wish and in whatever fashion you desire, should you not extend the same courtesy to others?" Judging by the postings of Star Fraction pilots here on IGS, the answer to that question is a straight "NO!". Otherwise how could they take such affront to us stating their insignificance to the Amarr Loyalists? The Amarr pilots do not spend their time screaming "Take us seriously" - we prioritize our targets and if those targets choose to ignore us, they do so at their own peril. If you wish to discuss our effectiveness you may of course do so, but the recent fall of Karishal's Folly and the current alliance between U'K and numerous priate organisations suggest that we are not entirely inept at what we do. While we are on the topic, it is my personal belief that Star Fraction in fact has come to realize their own insignificance in the current wars - although they will never admit to it. They have made the choice of moving from Amarr to Mista in order to get closer to the actual fighting. Perhaps this move may eventually make us give them the attention that they crave so much - provided they do more than sit in Mista screaming "We are important". On the topic of PIE relevance my own personal belief is that compared to the Amarr Empire we are like an ant compared to an anthill. The single ant may well be expendable to the greater society and that society would probably not notice the loss greatly. Yet each ant in a society has a function and consequently some relevance. Oh, and before the smack starts on this let me state clearly that compared to the Amarr Empire we are all ants - PIE, Star Fraction, CVA and Ushra Khan. Finally, as asking questions seem to be the order of the day, let me ask these ones again - I posted them in the beginning of this thread but have yet to see an answer from Star Frction: What is it that is so incomprehensive to you? That we follow a policy of our own instead of one that is to your liking? That we deem U'K a greater threat than you? That we prioritize our year long campaigns in Providence over a 6 week war with Star Fraction? I guess the answer to all those questions does go to the point of Star Fraction being so annoyed that we have labelled them "Insignificant". Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Sami Yahn'ko Gallente The Butterfly Rebellion	Posted - 2007.05.16 06:44:00 - [135] "A testament to your failure to understand anything about us..." Awww, Mr. Archbishop, you really sound upset! I'm so deeply sorry you feel misunderstood... Oh...oh, wait a second, that reminds me... Did you overlook my words? Post number 88, the one that looks like butterfly wings... Since you're apparently not a fighter, and a great talker, care to explain to all of us just what exactly you're up to with this painting of the Fraction as some failed police force? It shouldn't be too hard for you to recall the words I'm speaking of, you did after all, base your entire argument around them. Have fun!
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 10:23:00 - [136] Originally by: Rodj Blake I think that sensible people can get a good indication whether or not the Star Fraction is relevant to the Empire from the (lack of) comments and actions of imperial officials. Ooooh now this is a line of logic that has been trooped out a lot since the start of our war with you û obviously only when convenient. So, lets expand it in an Amarrian style to where is isnÆt convenient. SF is irrelevant to the empire as it is incapable of damaging the empire itself, the navy does not wipe it out and no comment has been made by the Amarrian officials against them. CVA + PIE + Friends are expanding and furthering the interests of the empire in providence when, if the empire wanted it could have taken it for itself, if the empire wanted a presence there the navy would already be there in force and no amarrian official has ever announced the empire has the slightest interest in the area. So, therefore, we can conclude using your logic, as there is no interest in the area, that the empire has no need to work through means other than its own navy and, according to your logic, a lack of expressed opinion equates to evidence of a contrary or disinterested opinion. It is fair to conclude that you are not in providence expanding the influence of ôgods empireö, you are nothing more than another group of 0.0 warlords and bandit kings and if anything, you are there against the very desires of the empire! (because everyone knows that if they desired the area they would have it already). So, as rebels of the empireÆs wishes, the fact you are allowed into empire space without being destroyed means you are insignificant to the empire! Wow! Interesting living in your head innit?! -------------------------------------------- Join Now
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 10:35:00 - [137] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/05/2007 10:34:06 Originally by: Sable Schroedinger Originally by: Rodj Blake I think that sensible people can get a good indication whether or not the Star Fraction is relevant to the Empire from the (lack of) comments and actions of imperial officials. Ooooh now this is a line of logic that has been trooped out a lot since the start of our war with you û obviously only when convenient. So, lets expand it in an Amarrian style to where is isnÆt convenient. SF is irrelevant to the empire as it is incapable of damaging the empire itself, the navy does not wipe it out and no comment has been made by the Amarrian officials against them. CVA + PIE + Friends are expanding and furthering the interests of the empire in providence when, if the empire wanted it could have taken it for itself, if the empire wanted a presence there the navy would already be there in force and no amarrian official has ever announced the empire has the slightest interest in the area. So, therefore, we can conclude using your logic, as there is no interest in the area, that the empire has no need to work through means other than its own navy and, according to your logic, a lack of expressed opinion equates to evidence of a contrary or disinterested opinion. It is fair to conclude that you are not in providence expanding the influence of ôgods empireö, you are nothing more than another group of 0.0 warlords and bandit kings and if anything, you are there against the very desires of the empire! (because everyone knows that if they desired the area they would have it already). So, as rebels of the empireÆs wishes, the fact you are allowed into empire space without being destroyed means you are insignificant to the empire! Wow! Interesting living in your head innit?! I suggest that you do some research into the policy that prompted the expansion in Providence and go on from there rather than use spurious starting conditions in your analysis. In the meantime, perhaps you could answer my earlier question regarding the achievements of JF/SF. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:03:00 - [138] Originally by: Rodj Blake I suggest that you do some research into the policy that prompted the expansion in Providence and go on from there rather than use spurious starting conditions in your analysis. Research is not required Rodj. You and I both know that the Amarr Empire endorses a policy of manifest destiny. First comes the Amarr corps to spread the influence, followed by the Imperial Navy to actually conquer. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:13:00 - [139] Originally by: Rodj Blake I suggest that you do some research into the policy that prompted the expansion in Providence and go on from there rather than use spurious starting conditions in your analysis. In the meantime, perhaps you could answer my earlier question regarding the achievements of JF/SF. You have no right to ask questions here Rodj until you answer the question you have been repeated asked. Is PIE Inc. Relevant to the Amarrian Empire? Yes / No. Until you answer this question no substantive dialogue can be had with you since since without nailing this essential foundation to debate all else is going to be lost in your lies and spin. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:17:00 - [140] Originally by: Archbishop This is the great thing about being PIE. No pretense. We are what we are and thats what we are. We are happy to let history determine what our legacy in Eve will be. We asked not for one nor do we demand others respect it. Rodj has listed several examples of successful operations PIE has performed to aide our Empire.... An Empire which continues to request our assistance from time to time. We will let everyone draw their own conclusions. After all we're "just PIE". It's just that simple. I do know on several occasions authorized representatives of the Empire from Deacons to Priests to Imperial Chancellors have thanked PIE publically for its service to God and Empire. I know the personal communications I've shared with such representatives have made me both proud and humble and even more willing to serve as it has all who fly under the banner of the Amarr Empire. When you live to serve something greater than yourself and not your own ego you have the benefit of keeping it simple. Archbishop From which I believe its fairly clear to see that you think that PIE is Relevant to the Amarrian empire but you lack the courage and honesty to come out and say it. The reason why you can't say it of course is that IF PIE Inc. is Revelant to the Amarrian Empire then any agency, corporation, alliance that harms PIE is also Relevant to the Amarrian Empire (since by diminishing PIE Inc's ability to run missions and escorts for the Amarrian Empire that third party agency is diminishing the power of the Amarrian Empire in turn.) But you just can't admit that - it sticks in your gut. Hence the dishonesty and smarminess and squirming when you are asked this simple question. Star Fraction is recruiting
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:18:00 - [141] Edited by: Archbishop on 16/05/2007 12:17:48 Quote: Did you overlook my words? Post number 88, the one that looks like butterfly wings... Ah yes Sami I did miss that post. I would be happy to address it here for you though if you like since you obviously completely misunderstood and misinterpreted what I said. You were questioning my statement: Quote: "...you abandoned your original mission in the cluster of freeing space from tyrannical 0.0 governments...securing free 0.0 space for pilots..." These words here from Mr. Archbishop truly are quite staggering. Mr. Archbishop, you appear to be an expert on the minutiae of their involvements in wars stretching back years and years, into almost forgotten history, certainly well before my time in the capsule. Despite that however, you do not appear to even have the most basic grasp of what it is the Fraction actually stand for or fights against. Now...I can give you the benefit of the doubt, assume you're not willfully misrepresenting the obvious facts, and thereby deduce that you're quite possibly the most unintelligent pilot in the cluster. Or conversely, I can give you the benefit of the doubt, assume you're actually intelligent enough to grasp the true nature of the Fraction's work, and thereby deduce that you're quite possibly the most inept liar in the cluster. The facts of the matter are so incredibly obvious; the Fraction has time and time again made strenuous claims that it does not and will not secure space for anyone, and yet you state this as their "original mission"? When I refer to Star Fraction "securing space for free pilots" I'm not speaking in the traditional sense of claiming space that is most often attributed to the word "secure". Instead I'm refering to the "securing" they do in attempting to free it from nationalistic influences. Thus they are "securing" the right of pilots to fly in space that isn't nationalistically controlled. Of course they have failed every time they have tried to "secure" space from non-nationalistic control in 0.0 space which is why they came to Empire in the first place. So "secure" was probably a poor choice of words but I was tired. As you can see though the "intent" of my words was readily apparent or at least is now. I hope that clears it up for you. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:20:00 - [142] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/05/2007 12:19:51 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/05/2007 12:18:33 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake I suggest that you do some research into the policy that prompted the expansion in Providence and go on from there rather than use spurious starting conditions in your analysis. In the meantime, perhaps you could answer my earlier question regarding the achievements of JF/SF. You have no right to ask questions here Rodj until you answer the question you have been repeated asked. Is PIE Inc. Relevant to the Amarrian Empire? Yes / No. Until you answer this question no substantive dialogue can be had with you since since without nailing this essential foundation to debate all else is going to be lost in your lies and spin. Answer here, clarification here. Now, perhaps you would care to answer my question, and verifiably list SF/JF's achievements so that we may judge your relevance? Or would you rather I do it for you? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Saragael	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:24:00 - [143] Edited by: Saragael on 16/05/2007 12:24:14 I find it most amusing that the mighty Jasmine Constantine must now ask how relevant others are to their cause. it would appear that her own irrelevance to the galaxy has begun to take root and rather than face this she must try to belittle others to hide how small she truly is. As a citizen of the Empire I will answer your question Jasmine. PIE is VERY relevant to the Empire. They inspire those of us within the Empire to serve God and Empire. Their steadfastness in an age where alliances and corporations changes their ideals more often than a Gallante changes sex partners is something that cannot be understated. They have worked with the CVA and others to expand the influence of the Empire and continue even now to provide a place for those that seek to serve to have a home. Oh I know your petty mind is trying to twist this into how relevant they are to the government but the government is not the Empire, the people are. Jasmine your little movement is small and temporal. It will die on the vine LONG before PIE has even begun to realize it's full potential. PIE and it's heritage are one of the FEW truly relevant organizations left in the cluster, something SF will never attain. Was that answer simple enough for you Jasmine, if not then here it is; YOU ARE NOTHING..
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:25:00 - [144] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/05/2007 12:24:11 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine From which I believe its fairly clear to see that you think that PIE is Relevant to the Amarrian empire but you lack the courage and honesty to come out and say it. The reason why you can't say it of course is that IF PIE Inc. is Revelant to the Amarrian Empire then any agency, corporation, alliance that harms PIE is also Relevant to the Amarrian Empire (since by diminishing PIE Inc's ability to run missions and escorts for the Amarrian Empire that third party agency is diminishing the power of the Amarrian Empire in turn.) But you just can't admit that - it sticks in your gut. Hence the dishonesty and smarminess and squirming when you are asked this simple question. Of course, if we take that line of reasoning to its conclusion it would also follow that for SF to themselves be relevant, they would need to impact upon PIE Inc's ability to run missions and escorts for the Empire. Something that so far they have completely failed to do. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:25:00 - [145] It is understandable that Jasmine doesn't want to answer the question regarding their achievements as the list of accumulated failures over four years would just be too embarassing and hard to spin. Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:28:00 - [146] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/05/2007 12:26:43 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/05/2007 12:26:02 Originally by: Tharrn It is understandable that Jasmine doesn't want to answer the question regarding their achievements as the list of accumulated failures over four years would just be too embarassing and hard to spin. At least she wouldn't have to compose a lengthy answer. I imagine that it may even be possible to compile a complete list of SF's achievements using less than a single word. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:31:00 - [147] Originally by: Archbishop Thus they are "securing" the right of pilots to fly in space that isn't nationalistically controlled. Of course they have failed every time they have tried to "secure" space from non-nationalistic control in 0.0 space which is why they came to Empire in the first place. Once again you misrepresent and lie about our ideology. We don't "secure" anybodys rights. We encourage them to take their own destiny into their own hands and ensure their own freedoms with strength and self-reliance. Star Fraction is not the failed CFS that your friend Calladen Nimitz tried to foist on the territories of the early South West. Where CFS made promises it couldn't keep while deploying a toy "navy" to "secure" the "rights" of neutrals and attack pirates and enemies of your friend .. Star Fraction have long promoted that a persons territory ends at the hull of their ship and freedom is taken and held by those with the courage and daring to avoid slipping into traditional nationalist/imperialist traps. And you are a fine one to talk of failure. TTI/VA/CFS not exactly sterling accomplishments. And now PIE reduced in six weeks of warfare into a entity that struggles to have three pilots active at the same time and has to boast how getting murdered in Providence is your excuse you can't fight us in the Throne Worlds? Your best pilots leaving and the remainder despairing against ever turning the ride and fighting those same anarchist fighters you roundly condemn as talentless failures? You can't even run your industry correctly Archbishop and neither can your friend Calladen, instead of evolving with new technology you prefer to whine pitifully about being "undercut" on the margins and write endless letters of complaint to concord product licensing commissions in an attempt to have the rules changed in your favour to remain ahem competitive. We know all about your failures Archbishop have no doubt. Your failure as a battleship campaign is a relatively minor mark in your litany of grotesque inneptitude over the years. And now you fail even to answer a simple little question without twisting and turning and pursing your deceitful lips against the sound of your own voice. Is PIE Inc. Relevant to the Amarrian Empire? Yes or No. Come on and say it! (you know you want too) Are you really that afraid of what the subsequent debate might bring that you can't just blurt it out and satisfy the curiosity of everyone reading this thread? Be a man! Have some courage! Tell the truth for once! Star Fraction is recruiting
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:32:00 - [148] Quote: You have no right to ask questions here Rodj until you answer the question you have been repeated asked. Is PIE Inc. Relevant to the Amarrian Empire? Yes / No. Until you answer this question no substantive dialogue can be had with you since since without nailing this essential foundation to debate all else is going to be lost in your lies and spin. Jasmine you seem to feel that because you asked a question first it should be answered first? But wait.... it wasn't asked first.... Perhaps you should answer this question in post 37 before you ask your own. It was asked first after all. As for our relevance to the Empire you'll have to ask them about it. We simply live to serve. We are what we are and nothing more. Our history and performance in our duties is well documented. We'll let everyone draw their own conclusions. Keeps it simple that way. I do note though you've failed to list your "accomplishments". When will that list be forthcoming? If not at least Admiral Blake has offered to list them for you and I'm sure I can contribute a few "accomplishments" of the Star Fraction as well to balance it out. Either way as you would say "You don't have the right to ask any question until you answer the one asked of you" (not a direct quote but thats what you're inferring). Not my words but yours. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:33:00 - [149] Originally by: Saragael PIE and it's heritage are one of the FEW truly relevant organizations left in the cluster, something SF will never attain. How can PIE be relevant by its presence if its neutralisation is not also relevant? Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:34:00 - [150] Originally by: Archbishop You have no right to ask questions here Rodj until you answer the question you have been repeated asked. Is PIE Inc. Relevant to the Amarrian Empire? Yes / No. Exactly! So now answer the question please. Star Fraction is recruiting
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:39:00 - [151] If only your words could be met with some kind of action, any action. PIE are a worthless group of relics who can only cling to the achievements of those around them. I have seen the CVA fight alone, and I have seen the Aegis Militias stand alone and fight for what they believe in. No claims of relevance where needed then and none are needed now. One of the only people I have seen worth a damn within PIE has now moved on, it is my hope that others will follow. I don't care what pretensions of glory you have PIE. You cannot back them up. You are a parasite. You cannot exist without the good graces of those around you. Anything you have claimed to have done has been on the backs of those too kind or too stupid to realise that your efforts where nothing compared to their own. Your argument, your sermon, your word is as dust to me.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:40:00 - [152] Quote: Originally posted by Jasmine Constantine: Once again you misrepresent and lie about our ideology. We don't "secure" anybodys rights. We encourage them to take their own destiny into their own hands and ensure their own freedoms with strength and self-reliance. Star Fraction is not the failed CFS that your friend Calladen Nimitz tried to foist on the territories of the early South West. Where CFS made promises it couldn't keep while deploying a toy "navy" to "secure" the "rights" of neutrals and attack pirates and enemies of your friend .. Star Fraction have long promoted that a persons territory ends at the hull of their ship and freedom is taken and held by those with the courage and daring to avoid slipping into traditional nationalist/imperialist traps. And you are a fine one to talk of failure. TTI/VA/CFS not exactly sterling accomplishments. And now PIE reduced in six weeks of warfare into a entity that struggles to have three pilots active at the same time and has to boast how getting murdered in Providence is your excuse you can't fight us in the Throne Worlds? Your best pilots leaving and the remainder despairing against ever turning the ride and fighting those same anarchist fighters you roundly condemn as talentless failures? You can't even run your industry correctly Archbishop and neither can your friend Calladen, instead of evolving with new technology you prefer to whine pitifully about being "undercut" on the margins and write endless letters of complaint to concord product licensing commissions in an attempt to have the rules changed in your favour to remain ahem competitive. I haven't seen Mr. Nimitz since a corporation party several months ago. He works for my nephews company I know but I don't talk to him much. I don't even hold stock anymore in his company I gave it all to my nephew as a gift. I fail to see what he has to do with PIE or with me. You certainly seem obsessed with him perhaps you should contact him directly via evemail? Likewise I've never been in TTI/VA/CFS although I know the CVA member Imperial Dreams was in CFS. What I know of TTI/VA/CFS I know from reading historical accounts as Archbishop of PIE hasn't encountered those groups in his travels. You seem confused are you using some illict boosters or other narcotics? Perhaps some therapy is in order? This is the second time you mentioned him and it honestly makes no sense at all. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:42:00 - [153] Originally by: Tharrn It is understandable that Jasmine doesn't want to answer the question regarding their achievements as the list of accumulated failures over four years would just be too embarassing and hard to spin. I don't think we should be hearing the word "failure" from a man who's alliance utterly failed to make any impact whatsover on Star Fraction in this war and who's sole active combat pilot defected from your ranks to another CVA corporation in disgust for your negativity and woeful deployment of war-tactics. Tharrn - in Free Captain circles your name is synonymous with laughable mediocrity - nothing else. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:45:00 - [154] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Once again you misrepresent and lie about our ideology. We don't "secure" anybodys rights. We encourage them to take their own destiny into their own hands and ensure their own freedoms with strength and self-reliance. Star Fraction is not the failed CFS that your friend Calladen Nimitz tried to foist on the territories of the early South West. Where CFS made promises it couldn't keep while deploying a toy "navy" to "secure" the "rights" of neutrals and attack pirates and enemies of your friend .. Star Fraction have long promoted that a persons territory ends at the hull of their ship and freedom is taken and held by those with the courage and daring to avoid slipping into traditional nationalist/imperialist traps. And just how many pilots has SF managed to encourage in this way? Let's compare it with the number of neutral pilots active in lower Domain and Providence shall we? Quote: And you are a fine one to talk of failure. TTI/VA/CFS not exactly sterling accomplishments. I don't recall Archbishop having any influence over any of those three alliances. Quote: And now PIE reduced in six weeks of warfare into a entity that struggles to have three pilots active at the same time and has to boast how getting murdered in Providence is your excuse you can't fight us in the Throne Worlds? I've been in my pod when there were only three SF pilots active. I didn't take that as a sign that SF were in any struggling numerically. Rest assured that when we need to have pilots in space, they are in space. As for us getting murdered in Providence, maybe you'd be able to see reality if you ever entered the region rather than skulk around in Mista. Quote: Your best pilots leaving Kostantin Mort has taken a leave of absence from us. Apart from him I don't recall anyone of Captain rank or higher leaving us during the period of your war declaration. Let's not pretend that SF haven't lost any pilots either, eh? Quote: and the remainder despairing against ever turning the ride and fighting those same anarchist fighters you roundly condemn as talentless failures? That implies that there is a tide to be turned. Once again, I would like to point out to you that our operational abilities have not been impaired by you. Quote: You can't even run your industry correctly Archbishop and neither can your friend Calladen, instead of evolving with new technology you prefer to whine pitifully about being "undercut" on the margins and write endless letters of complaint to concord product licensing commissions in an attempt to have the rules changed in your favour to remain ahem competitive. What has this Calladen got to do with it? Archbishop runs a very efficient manufacturing operation on behalf of PIE, and that includes the manufacturing of new technology. Quote: We know all about your failures Archbishop have no doubt. Your failure as a battleship campaign is a relatively minor mark in your litany of grotesque inneptitude over the years. Maybe you'd care to list these alleged failures? Quote: And now you fail even to answer a simple little question without twisting and turning and pursing your deceitful lips against the sound of your own voice. How you answering some of my questions? Like the one where I asked you to list SF's achievements, perhaps? Quote: Is PIE Inc. Relevant to the Amarrian Empire? Yes or No. Come on and say it! (you know you want too) Are you really that afraid of what the subsequent debate might bring that you can't just blurt it out and satisfy the curiosity of everyone reading this thread? Be a man! Have some courage! Tell the truth for once! I have already supplied a perfectly good answer regarding the issue of PIE's relevance. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:46:00 - [155] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Archbishop You have no right to ask questions here Rodj until you answer the question you have been repeated asked. Is PIE Inc. Relevant to the Amarrian Empire? Yes / No. Exactly! So now answer the question please. Jasmine Constantine - not so much a free captain as a context-free captain. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:46:00 - [156] So Rodj, Is PIE Inc. Relevant to the Amarrian Empire? Yes or No? Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:54:00 - [157] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/05/2007 12:53:24 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine So Rodj, Is PIE Inc. Relevant to the Amarrian Empire? Yes or No? Really Jasmine, you're just like a character (a young girl) in a holovid I saw as a child. I think it was called Only Willem or something. I can just imagine it now... "Answer my qwestion how I want it or I shall scweam and scweam and scweam!" Answer here, clarification here. Now that I've yet again referred you to my answers, perhaps you'll publish that list of JF/SF achievements? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:54:00 - [158] Well I asked my question first but I guess that rule only applies the real world not Jasmineland.... unless she thinks she asked first in which case she demands an answer. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:02:00 - [159] You people are as bad at debate as your are at fighting and boy is that saying something Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:06:00 - [160] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine You people are as bad at debate as your are at fighting and boy is that saying something If being a good debater in your book involves constantly re-asking questions that have already been answered, personal insults galore and citing links to people and organisations where no such links exist, then I'm glad that you consider me to be a bad debater. Now, perhaps you'll post that verifiable list of SF/JF achievements? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:11:00 - [161] Likewise I'd like to see that list of accomplishments as well and I'm still waiting for an answer to my question (which I'll note was asked first). As we can't tell you how the Empire feels about our relevance you'll have to ask them. As I mentioned above I guess that makes the real question "would they continaully ask for the help of a group they feel irrelevant". We'll let people answer themselves on that one as we have no ego to stroke thus have no opinion on that. We are what we are and thats all we are. Service to God and Empire, humility and piety. The PIE way. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:15:00 - [162] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine You people are as bad at debate as your are at fighting and boy is that saying something I would have to disagree on that mark, PIE has done very well to maintain decorum in the face of adversity. Were we to analyze this debate by the standardized rules you would not like the outcome. Originally by: Jasmine Constantine So Rodj, Is PIE Inc. Relevant to the Amarrian Empire? Yes or No? many have been very polite in answering that question including myself. We all have the answer, both Yes and No. the cluster is not so simple to define nor does our reality fit into a concise box argument. I would not be opposed to discussing the next logical step in your argument, which is whether the Star Fraction is having an impact on the empire and the contagious mementics it propagate. that would be something worth discussing as I feel a great many individuals have widely divergent points of view on that matter. Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:19:00 - [163] Originally by: GulletSplitter Nice write up again Jasmine. I've begun looking foward to the write ups if not the accusation/denial stuff that happens after it. Though I must say it's been kinda fun watching the verbal jousting in an attempt to get an answer from PIE. Nice "not quite direct answer" as well Rodj. And I mean this with no sarcasm. I do understand why you're not answering and why SF is still pushing you for an answer. I think either way you answer there won't be a right answer. To borrow a few religious terms "It's damned if you do...or damned if you don't". Thank you GulletSplitter, always nice to be appreciated and you are right of course. They cannot answer this question. Because either which way way they do they are damned. If they answer "yes" then it automatically means their enemies are Relevant too and that contradicts their rhetoric for the last six weeks (and most of the last four years in truth) and they can no longer fall back on "the Empire is immortal and cannot be affected by you peons" nonsense they like to spout. If they answer "no" then it means they have been fighting for nothing for four years and admit they are nothing in turn. So the only answer they can provide is not to answer and to wriggle like worms on a spike, and I'll admit, its been amusing for me to see this too. And its definately ironic that while we never see these people in space during the campaign weeks they love to troop out for the war-diary regular as clockwork. Says a lot really Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:23:00 - [164] Originally by: CometQueen I would not be opposed to discussing the next logical step in your argument, which is whether the Star Fraction is having an impact on the empire and the contagious mementics it propagates. that would be something worth discussing as I feel a great many individuals have widely divergent points of view on that matter. We cannot proceed to that step without a definitive Yes or No answer from PIE alas. Its impossible to assess Star Fractions impact on the Empire (given our impact is through the comprehensive kicking we have delivered to Amarrian paramilitaries) without said paramilitaries first affirming their relevance to the Empire itself. If said paramilitiaries are not relevant to the empire then we have had no effect on the empire. If they are relevant to the empire then we have had an effect on the empire. It really is this simple and until we get that straight answer from the Amarrian bloc this discussion can go no further. Star Fraction is recruiting
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:23:00 - [165] Quote: If they answer "yes" then it automatically means their enemies are Relevant too and that contradicts their rhetoric for the last six weeks (and most of the last four years in truth) and they can no longer fall back on "the Empire is immortal and cannot be affected by you peons" nonsense they like to spout. As we don't have an opinion on "relevance" and aren't obsessed with it its kind of a moot point but I will make an observation for your benefit. Hypothetically speaking of course if someone is relevant and someone else declares war on them does that make them automatically relevant too? Nope. Nice try though. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:24:00 - [166] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Jasmine Constantine You people are as bad at debate as your are at fighting and boy is that saying something If being a good debater in your book involves constantly re-asking questions that have already been answered, personal insults galore and citing links to people and organisations where no such links exist, then I'm glad that you consider me to be a bad debater. Now, perhaps you'll post that verifiable list of SF/JF achievements? Jasmine, it's no use to pursue this line of questioning anymore. I submit that due to their actions on this thread and the voices of other Amarrian corps that PIE has displayed their relevance to the Empire. PIE might have been great at one time, but now they are weak and pathetic. They have fallen from grace in the eyes of many Amarrians, their acts of cowardice and duplicity are now public. In my eyes they are no longer relevant. This goes to answers Archbishop's question is Star Fraction a threat to the Empire. The Star Fraction is a threat to the current state of the Empire. True the Imperial Navy has not been called out, but who would command them, the Emperor? There is no Emperor. The Theology Council or perhaps the Chamberlain? Apparently none of them are capable of reacting to a threat of this nature. The Star Fraction has shown the soft underside of the Empire by taking control of the Amarr system and successfully interdicted it. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:27:00 - [167] Edited by: CometQueen on 16/05/2007 13:27:23 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine If they answer "yes" then it automatically means their enemies are Relevant too and that contradicts their rhetoric for the last six weeks (and most of the last four years in truth) and they can no longer fall back on "the Empire is immortal and cannot be affected by you peons" nonsense they like to spout. If they answer "no" then it means they have been fighting for nothing for four years and admit they are nothing in turn. not to make it a bad habit but I will again have to disagree with you Ms. Constantine. Such simplistic analysis of a situation does not lend itself to the weight of years and volume of history present. I recall your own notable organization has often been the victim of broad and vast generalizations. No organization that has persisted so long and been part of so much can ever be quantified in such a way. Would you care to discuss the various ways your Organization is having an impact on both the Pod community and the Empire at large? Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth my this debate is running fast, forgive me for quoting so late
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:28:00 - [168] It is interesting to note who they have declared war on in their quest to be "relevant" as evidenced by their obsession with the word and their anger at our considering them irrelevant. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:28:00 - [169] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: GulletSplitter Nice write up again Jasmine. I've begun looking foward to the write ups if not the accusation/denial stuff that happens after it. Though I must say it's been kinda fun watching the verbal jousting in an attempt to get an answer from PIE. Nice "not quite direct answer" as well Rodj. And I mean this with no sarcasm. I do understand why you're not answering and why SF is still pushing you for an answer. I think either way you answer there won't be a right answer. To borrow a few religious terms "It's damned if you do...or damned if you don't". Thank you GulletSplitter, always nice to be appreciated and you are right of course. They cannot answer this question. Because either which way way they do they are damned. If they answer "yes" then it automatically means their enemies are Relevant too and that contradicts their rhetoric for the last six weeks (and most of the last four years in truth) and they can no longer fall back on "the Empire is immortal and cannot be affected by you peons" nonsense they like to spout. If they answer "no" then it means they have been fighting for nothing for four years and admit they are nothing in turn. So the only answer they can provide is not to answer and to wriggle like worms on a spike, and I'll admit, its been amusing for me to see this too. And its definately ironic that while we never see these people in space during the campaign weeks they love to troop out for the war-diary regular as clockwork. Says a lot really Answer here, clarification here. As for the binary answers that you seem so obsessed about, binary answers are often meaningless. For example, if I were to say to you "What colour is chlorophyll - red or blue?" you would most likely answer with a third option - neither. We could also go on to have an intriguing debate regarding the heterophenomonology of colour sensation, qualia, and their relationships to wavelength sensitivity in different species. Would I be justified in constantly repeating the question and insisting that you give me a one word answer that is either red or blue? Of course not. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:28:00 - [170] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 16/05/2007 13:27:41 Originally by: Archbishop Hypothetically speaking of course if someone is relevant and someone else declares war on them does that make them automatically relevant too? Nope. Nice try though. Of course it does. If corporation A. is promising to mine X amount of minerals for alliance B. Then A is relevant to B. If corporation C declares war (and suppresses and damages) corporation A (thereby limiting its ability to deliver minerals for alliance B) then corporation C is relevant to Alliance B as well, (since it is impact its ability to gather minerals). So if PIE is relevant to the Empire then Star Fraction is relevant to the empire since we have handed you a right royal kicking in six weeks and critically wounded your corporation. Whereas if SF is irrelevant to the Empire then PIE must be irrelevant to the Empire also. The logic is pretty straightforward. Star Fraction is recruiting
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:30:00 - [171] Incredible. The question asked by Little Jasmine Constantine has been answered time and time again over the last few pages of this thread. Yet as none of the answers seem to be what Little Jasmine would like to hear, she continues to ask the same question. When I point out the fact that her own organisation has attacked me for repeating a question that Star Fraction pilots themselves are unable to answer, Little Jasmine simply chooses to ignore this. For the benefit of Little Jasmine Constantine I'll even ask it again here: If you expect others to respect your right to fight whomever you like in whatever way you desire, should you not extend that same courtesy to others? As for Little Jasmines fondness of repeating questions that has no simple answer and requesting a yes/no answer, perhaps we should try explaining it like this: Jasmine what is 2+2? You must answer either "3" or "5" - and if you get it wrong you're a dimwit. Actually, Little Jasmine, let me give you a hint: You're a dimwit! Perhaps, Little Jasmine, it's time for you to realize that if you cannot understand the answer to your question, that might have more to do with your mental capacity than with the answer given? Or perhaps you are not really interested in the answer at all - perhaps you merely wish to continue stating your little question? Actually, I find that the only truly disappointing thing in this debate is that my fellow pilots and friends in the Amarr block continue to try to reason with you. After all, getting into an argument with an idiot will only lead to you getting dragged down to his (or in your case her) level and then get beaten by experience and perseverence. I long ago realized that when dealing with the Star Fraction the individual behaviour of your pilots does not vouch for the honour of the rest. I still have a lot of respect for the vast majority of Star Fraction pilots. For you, Little Jasmine, I have none. If you can neither understand or accept the answer you have been given, perhaps it's time to let the issue lie? or perhaps you would simply prefer it if we all sat in a dark pit slinging mud at each other? I guess it's your choice. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:30:00 - [172] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: CometQueen I would not be opposed to discussing the next logical step in your argument, which is whether the Star Fraction is having an impact on the empire and the contagious mementics it propagates. that would be something worth discussing as I feel a great many individuals have widely divergent points of view on that matter. We cannot proceed to that step without a definitive Yes or No answer from PIE alas. Its impossible to assess Star Fractions impact on the Empire (given our impact is through the comprehensive kicking we have delivered to Amarrian paramilitaries) without said paramilitaries first affirming their relevance to the Empire itself. If said paramilitiaries are not relevant to the empire then we have had no effect on the empire. If they are relevant to the empire then we have had an effect on the empire. It really is this simple and until we get that straight answer from the Amarrian bloc this discussion can go no further. Comprehensive kicking? So why are our operational abilities just as strong if not stronger now than they were at the start of your campaign? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:32:00 - [173] Originally by: Rodj Blake As for the binary answers that you seem so obsessed about, binary answers are often meaningless. For example, if I were to say to you "What colour is chlorophyll - red or blue?" you would most likely answer with a third option - neither. Actually I'd answer "I don't know". So for you and your valiant logic Rodj. Is PIE Inc. Relevant to the Amarrian Empire? A. Yes B. No C. Don't know Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:32:00 - [174] Originally by: Casserina Leshrac Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Jasmine Constantine You people are as bad at debate as your are at fighting and boy is that saying something If being a good debater in your book involves constantly re-asking questions that have already been answered, personal insults galore and citing links to people and organisations where no such links exist, then I'm glad that you consider me to be a bad debater. Now, perhaps you'll post that verifiable list of SF/JF achievements? Jasmine, it's no use to pursue this line of questioning anymore. I submit that due to their actions on this thread and the voices of other Amarrian corps that PIE has displayed their relevance to the Empire. PIE might have been great at one time, but now they are weak and pathetic. They have fallen from grace in the eyes of many Amarrians, their acts of cowardice and duplicity are now public. In my eyes they are no longer relevant. This goes to answers Archbishop's question is Star Fraction a threat to the Empire. The Star Fraction is a threat to the current state of the Empire. True the Imperial Navy has not been called out, but who would command them, the Emperor? There is no Emperor. The Theology Council or perhaps the Chamberlain? Apparently none of them are capable of reacting to a threat of this nature. The Star Fraction has shown the soft underside of the Empire by taking control of the Amarr system and successfully interdicted it. The Star Fraction controls Amarr every bit as much as The Sani Sabik alliance controls Fensi. Not at all. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:33:00 - [175] Originally by: Rodj Blake Comprehensive kicking? So why are our operational abilities just as strong if not stronger now than they were at the start of your campaign? You struggle to get three people active and in their pods of an evening. You are incapable of travelling in the throne worlds in anything bigger than a warp core stabbed interceptor. I'd say your "operational abilities" are null. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:34:00 - [176] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/05/2007 13:33:41 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake As for the binary answers that you seem so obsessed about, binary answers are often meaningless. For example, if I were to say to you "What colour is chlorophyll - red or blue?" you would most likely answer with a third option - neither. Actually I'd answer "I don't know". So for you and your valiant logic Rodj. Is PIE Inc. Relevant to the Amarrian Empire? A. Yes B. No C. Don't know For the record, chlorophyll is generally considered to be green. I suppose basic biochemistry isn't in the Star Fraction educational syllabus? Anyway, my answer to your question is here, with further clarification here. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:38:00 - [177] Originally by: CometQueen not to make it a bad habit but I will again have to disagree with you Ms. Constantine. Such simplistic analysis of a situation does not lend itself to the weight of years and volume of history present. I recall your own notable organization has often been the victim of broad and vast generalizations. No organization that has persisted so long and been part of so much can ever be quantified in such a way. I think you are seeing the point. No organisation that has persisted so and been a part of so much can ever be quantified in this way eh? And yet the Amarrian bloc are continuing in the suggestion that Star Fraction is irrelevant to the Amarrian Empire. And I am saying that given the comprehensive crushing of all PIE fleet operations in the throne worlds it is not possible for SF activities to be irrelevant to the Amarrian Empire unless the activities of its loyalist capsuleer organisations are also judged to be irrelevant. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:38:00 - [178] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Comprehensive kicking? So why are our operational abilities just as strong if not stronger now than they were at the start of your campaign? You struggle to get three people active and in their pods of an evening. You are incapable of travelling in the throne worlds in anything bigger than a warp core stabbed interceptor. I'd say your "operational abilities" are null. Perhaps you should leave the protection of CONCORD in Mista and venture into our current theatre of operations then. That way you could see our operational abilities at first hand Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:39:00 - [179] Originally by: Rodj Blake Anyway, my answer to your question is here, with further clarification here. Still can't answer! Not even when I now give you a "don't know" option? You really are terrified of this question aren't you? Star Fraction is recruiting
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:39:00 - [180] Originally by: Rodj Blake The Star Fraction controls Amarr every bit as much as The Sani Sabik alliance controls Fensi. Our operations in Fensi are preceding nicely. I'll inform lady Revan that you were concerned about our well-being. It is because of those operations that several more corps have joined our Alliance. Again I thank you personally for your concerns. Perhaps we can do business sometime? Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:40:00 - [181] Originally by: Rodj Blake Perhaps you should leave the protection of CONCORD in Mista and venture into our current theatre of operations then. That way you could see our operational abilities at first hand Been there done it. We killed a PIE Assault Frigate running away from the Ushra'khan. It wasn't impressive. Star Fraction is recruiting
CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:43:00 - [182] Edited by: CometQueen on 16/05/2007 13:42:27 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 16/05/2007 13:27:41 Originally by: Archbishop Hypothetically speaking of course if someone is relevant and someone else declares war on them does that make them automatically relevant too? Nope. Nice try though. Of course it does. If corporation A. is promising to mine X amount of minerals for alliance B. Then A is relevant to B. If corporation C declares war (and suppresses and damages) corporation A (thereby limiting its ability to deliver minerals for alliance B) then corporation C is relevant to Alliance B as well, (since it is impact its ability to gather minerals). So if PIE is relevant to the Empire then Star Fraction is relevant to the empire since we have handed you a right royal kicking in six weeks and critically wounded your corporation. Whereas if SF is irrelevant to the Empire then PIE must be irrelevant to the Empire also. The logic is pretty straightforward. I would venture to say that any organization that can mount twenty or more high powered and well fitted vessels for war is relevant to any other organization with similar capability. that could then logically transfer relevent impact to the parent organization of whomever the aforementioned fleet of twenty decide to impede and engage. My question to you Ms. Constantine, and trust me when I say I am sincere is wishing an answer for curiosity's sake and not to make some convoluted point, Do you feel your ability to impede Amarrian Paramilitary deployment capabilities and the destruction Star Fraction levels on their fleets has a significant impact on their parent organization? as a follow up may I ask if you feel such impact as you perceive your organization inflicts is worth the cost in isk, lives and time? Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth
Razor Jaxx Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:45:00 - [183] I'd like to address, from a personal standpoint, two issues that have been touched upon during this 'relevance' debate. The first is about the Fraction's achievements. Granted, I only have been part of the fractionist cell proper for a few weeks only, and as such I did not participate in any campaign prior to the current one, at least not under the Fraction's label. However, I did participate heavily to the GNW, as a young upstart pilot defending the interests of the Fade Union. It is quite obvious that the Fraction played a very central part in the events leading to, and unfolding during, the GNW. The Fraction, in close association with Reikoku, played the role of a catalyzer to rally forces which would eventually lead to the demise of a (then) very strong Phoenix Alliance. As such, it did have major impact on the political history of the galaxy. I will leave it to other fractionistas to discuss other campaigns, since I did not take part in those and thus am not familiar with their particulars, but in at least this single example, you are greatly mistaken when you state that the Fraction achieved nothing. How many of you were even there, to indulge in such un-inspired commentary? My second point is much more subjective. As a toddler capsuleer, just fresh out of the academy, I once jumped at a gate and stood in awe as the flashing, cold golden hulls of a small PIE gang stood on the other side - in the middle of Heimatar, no less. As my pod career went on, I kept hearing and reading about those legendary paramilitaries ; I envisioned battles of epic proportions, where those same golden hulls would stand toe-to-toe with any unwanted visitor that they would deem unwelcome in Amarrian space. For you see, paramilitaries are not, and never were substitutes to the law, not even in lawless space. Paramilitaries are actually verging on outlaws themselves, striking where the law cannot strike to defend such ideals as purity, creed, or other values the ruling body holds dear, but cannot act directly upon. Paramilitaries extend the power of the ruling body where the latter does not wish to get its hands dirty. While the timing of the start of my collaboration with the Fraction coincided with the beginning of the current campaign, it was purely fortuitous. I nonetheless gladly embraced the opportunity to finally measure up to what I still held as a legendary entity. The Fraction's numbers were somewhat similar to PIE, we were certainly unwanted in the empire - albeit not outlaws in the pure sense, every citizen in the galaxy has some basic rights that even the empire is bound to conform to, after all. Considering that the empire was powerless to expel us, would PIE do its job as a paramilitary organization beholding the true values of the ruling body? Would they extend the law, and kick us out of their sacred lands? I braced myself for the epic encounters I had so often dreamed about. The result? Nothing but disappointment. For a multitude of reasons, PIE refused to commit in kicking us out. Certainly, some of the reasons they put forth hold some degree of validity, however, they miserably failed in fulfilling their role as paramilitaries, which required them to kick us out of the Holy Lands where the Empire, and its Navy, could not intervene, having their hands tied by galactic law. I must say, I was sadly surprised. The epic fights I had dreamed about never took place. Those proud golden hulls? Seen on one or two occasions, where they should have been hunting us down daily until we understood we were clearly unwelcome in these sacred lands. Shattered legends.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:48:00 - [184] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Anyway, my answer to your question is here, with further clarification here. Still can't answer! Not even when I now give you a "don't know" option? You really are terrified of this question aren't you? Perhaps you should try reading the answer? Now, how about that list of SF's achievements? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:49:00 - [185] Originally by: CometQueen My question to you Ms. Constantine, and trust me when I say I am sincere is wishing an answer for curiosity's sake and to not make some convoluted point, Do you feel your ability to impede Amarrian Paramilitary deployment capabilities and the destruction Star Fraction levels on their fleets has a significant impact on their parent organization? Yes of course it does. Lets face it, Brother Joshua hasn't been able to go anywhere for a month now because PIE is completely suppressed and unable to supply an escort. The current low state of the Amarrian nationalist capsuleers completely hinders the Amarrian Empire's ability to conduct its affairs in the capsuleer sphere. This much is self evident. Quote: as a follow up may I ask if you feel such impact as you perceive your organization inflicts is worth the cost in isk, lives and time? Undoubtedly. The example we provide is powerful. When the general capsule-pilot public see the low-state of nationalists like PIE they are more inclined to make their own way in the cluster and put aside the imperialist dogma of the baseline past. If PIE was a powerful and capable entity it would be wielding influence and attracting recruits and setting ideology - at the moment it is doing nothing. Star Fraction is recruiting
CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:54:00 - [186] Edited by: CometQueen on 16/05/2007 13:53:49 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: CometQueen not to make it a bad habit but I will again have to disagree with you Ms. Constantine. Such simplistic analysis of a situation does not lend itself to the weight of years and volume of history present. I recall your own notable organization has often been the victim of broad and vast generalizations. No organization that has persisted so long and been part of so much can ever be quantified in such a way. I think you are seeing the point. No organization that has persisted so and been a part of so much can ever be quantified in this way eh? And yet the Amarrian bloc are continuing in the suggestion that Star Fraction is irrelevant to the Amarrian Empire. And I am saying that given the comprehensive crushing of all PIE fleet operations in the throne worlds it is not possible for SF activities to be irrelevant to the Amarrian Empire unless the activities of its loyalist capsuleer organizations are also judged to be irrelevant. well thank you. I always strive to seek and understand, it is what leads me along God's path. I feel there is a divergences of thought, or perhaps some part of the various explanations between your two organizations that is leading to an incompatible conversation. I could venture a guess but I'd rather not muddy the waters with supposition from an outside perspective. I feel I have made my opinion clear and have asked what I hope to have answered in the above post. I would also like to add as an aside that your writing was indeed very good and in my estimation you have great skill at verbal communication through written means. Besides the written work your imagery is quite poignant. Who may I ask is responsible for the various banners and slogan posters your movement deploys so aptly? Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth again my speed has proved itself insufficient, you have answered my questions and I thank you.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:56:00 - [187] Originally by: Razor Jaxx The result? Nothing but disappointment. For a multitude of reasons, PIE refused to commit in kicking us out. Certainly, some of the reasons they put forth hold some degree of validity, however, they miserably failed in fulfilling their role as paramilitaries, which required them to kick us out of the Holy Lands where the Empire, and its Navy, could not intervene, having their hands tied by galactic law. Why exactly would our role require us to kick you out of the Throne Worlds when you have never been a threat to the Empire? Quote: I must say, I was sadly surprised. The epic fights I had dreamed about never took place. Those proud golden hulls? Seen on one or two occasions, where they should have been hunting us down daily until we understood we were clearly unwelcome in these sacred lands. There have been some epic fights in Providence lately. SF seem to have missed them though. There were nearly some epic fights in Amarr a few weeks ago as well, but SF claimed they weren't undocking because of solar flares affecting their systems. to think that there might Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:00:00 - [188] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/05/2007 13:58:17 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: CometQueen My question to you Ms. Constantine, and trust me when I say I am sincere is wishing an answer for curiosity's sake and to not make some convoluted point, Do you feel your ability to impede Amarrian Paramilitary deployment capabilities and the destruction Star Fraction levels on their fleets has a significant impact on their parent organization? Yes of course it does. Lets face it, Brother Joshua hasn't been able to go anywhere for a month now because PIE is completely suppressed and unable to supply an escort. The current low state of the Amarrian nationalist capsuleers completely hinders the Amarrian Empire's ability to conduct its affairs in the capsuleer sphere. This much is self evident. If I may interject here, Brother Joshua's investigation concluded around a month ago. As such, he has not required or requested any escorts. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:00:00 - [189] Originally by: Rodj Blake Why exactly would our role require us to kick you out of the Throne Worlds when you have never been a threat to the Empire? If we are not a threat to the empire than you have never been relevant to the empire. Since we have eliminated your ability to aid the empire that follows doesn't it? Or would you prefer to answer the question you've now ducked around a dozen times on half a dozen pages? Is PIE Inc. Relevant to the Amarrian Empire? Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:01:00 - [190] Originally by: Rodj Blake If I may interject here, Brother Joshua's investigation concluded around a month ago. As such, he has not requested any escorts. Because you are in no position to provide them. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:02:00 - [191] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Why exactly would our role require us to kick you out of the Throne Worlds when you have never been a threat to the Empire? If we are not a threat to the empire than you have never been relevant to the empire. Since we have eliminated your ability to aid the empire that follows doesn't it? Or would you prefer to answer the question you've now ducked around a dozen times on half a dozen pages? Is PIE Inc. Relevant to the Amarrian Empire? You haven't eliminated any of our abilities. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:04:00 - [192] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake If I may interject here, Brother Joshua's investigation concluded around a month ago. As such, he has not requested any escorts. Because you are in no position to provide them. No, because his investigation has been completed and judgement passed on Articio Kor-Azor. Why would he need to travel to interview people when he already has all of the answers that he needs and has acted upon those answers? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Razor Jaxx Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:11:00 - [193] Originally by: Rodj Blake Why exactly would our role require us to kick you out of the Throne Worlds when you have never been a threat to the Empire? Re-read the passage about upholding values of the Empire where the Empire cannot intervene itself for explanation. The Imperial Navy is bound by CONCORD law. You were not, since we were in an active state of war. Originally by: Rodj Blake There have been some epic fights in Providence lately. SF seem to have missed them though. There were nearly some epic fights in Amarr a few weeks ago as well, but SF claimed they weren't undocking because of solar flares affecting their systems. to think that there might I fear your answer might have been cut short here, but nonetheless - I'm glad to hear you are involved in other engagements, but how does it concern us exactly, if they take place in locations far remote from the sacred lands? My point was that you failed to act as true paramilitaries of the Empire, which would have required you to pursue us mercilessly until we were driven out of your holy lands. Yes, there were a couple of interesting engagements, as I said in my original posting, but that does not constitute a prolonged effort to drive us out. For that to happen, substantially more perseverance and dedication would have been necessary. Like I said, this was a subjective outlook. With roughly equal numbers, I was expecting PIE to live up to its legendary status (at least from my own point of view), and drive us out recklessly. I just have to confess I was wrong.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:11:00 - [194] Originally by: Rodj Blake You haven't eliminated any of our abilities. We've eliminated your ability to have more than three pilots active on a typical evening. We've eliminated your ability to claim with any credibility that you can "defend the empire" We've eliminated your ability to represent yourselves as warriors Need I go on? Not to mention 600 Star Ships of various sizes that have been destroyed trying to defend your honour since the war began. How does that make you feel? Half a dozen organisatons and 600 vessels lost trying to fight a war that you prefer to hide from? Not good I'd wager Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:15:00 - [195] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/05/2007 14:13:14 Originally by: Razor Jaxx Originally by: Rodj Blake Why exactly would our role require us to kick you out of the Throne Worlds when you have never been a threat to the Empire? Re-read the passage about upholding values of the Empire where the Empire cannot intervene itself for explanation. The Imperial Navy is bound by CONCORD law. You were not, since we were in an active state of war. Certainly, once you've re-read the part of my comment about you not being a threat to the Empire. Quote: Originally by: Rodj Blake There have been some epic fights in Providence lately. SF seem to have missed them though. There were nearly some epic fights in Amarr a few weeks ago as well, but SF claimed they weren't undocking because of solar flares affecting their systems. to think that there might I fear your answer might have been cut short here, but nonetheless - I'm glad to hear you are involved in other engagements, but how does it concern us exactly, if they take place in locations far remote from the sacred lands? Well, seeing as how one of your stated objectives is to humiliate us, I would have thought that our current location would be of some concern to you. Quote: My point was that you failed to act as true paramilitaries of the Empire, which would have required you to pursue us mercilessly until we were driven out of your holy lands. Yes, there were a couple of interesting engagements, as I said in my original posting, but that does not constitute a prolonged effort to drive us out. For that to happen, substantially more perseverance and dedication would have been necessary. Like I said, this was a subjective outlook. With roughly equal numbers, I was expecting PIE to live up to its legendary status (at least from my own point of view), and drive us out recklessly. I just have to confess I was wrong. But why would we want to pursue you mercilessly when you are not threat to the Empire? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:18:00 - [196] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake You haven't eliminated any of our abilities. We've eliminated your ability to have more than three pilots active on a typical evening. No you haven't. Quote: We've eliminated your ability to claim with any credibility that you can "defend the empire" Show us a threat to the Empire, and we'll show you how we defend the Empire. Quote: We've eliminated your ability to represent yourselves as warriors Our ships have been involved in regular combat in Providence throughout the last week and a half. Quote: Need I go on? No, but I'm sure that you will regardless. Quote: Not to mention 600 Star Ships of various sizes that have been destroyed trying to defend your honour since the war began. How does that make you feel? Half a dozen organisatons and 600 vessels lost trying to fight a war that you prefer to hide from? Not good I'd wager We haven't hidden from anything or anyone. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:19:00 - [197] Edited by: CometQueen on 16/05/2007 14:20:45 Originally by: Razor Jaxx The Fraction, in close association with Reikoku, played the role of a catalyzer to rally forces which would eventually lead to the demise of a (then) very strong Phoenix Alliance. As such, it did have major impact on the political history of the galaxy. even there, to indulge in such un-inspired commentary? that is well documented and indeed I remember the change Pure Blind went through during that conflict. My personal opinion is that (until recently with the emergence of Razor and Freedom Force) Pure blind had changed for the worse but that depends on your definition of what the Phoenix alliance were doing there. Originally by: Razor Jaxx Paramilitaries are actually verging on outlaws themselves, striking where the law cannot strike another term for this is vigilantes. your estimation of the concept of Paramilitaries I feel is accurate, though in this instance PIE does operate with the approval of the Empire. I feel that a closer terminology for them would be Regulators. Originally by: Razor Jaxx Considering that the empire was powerless to expel us, would PIE do its job as a paramilitary organization beholding the true values of the ruling body? Would they extend the law, and kick us out of their sacred lands? I braced myself for the epic encounters I had so often dreamed about. As much as I agree with your two above points, and am glad indeed that you brought them up adding a counter balance to the "accomplishment" debate, I have to disagree here in two ways. the first is that when an individual who is declared an enemy of the Empire enters secure boarders they are usually destroyed instantly. Between Concord, the Empire's gate turrets and the various patrols of Navy ships there is no longer a Pod fleet capable of sustaining operations in an Empire's territory that has them marked as threats...now that the Ospreys have been retired that is. We have all seen the subspace announcements which often precedes a brilliant explosion and a quickly retreating escape pod. you already answered my second point, even before I posted it seems Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:24:00 - [198] Originally by: Rodj Blake Our ships have been involved in regular combat in Providence throughout the last week and a half. How many Ushra'khan warships has PIE Inc. Destroyed in the last week? Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:28:00 - [199] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Our ships have been involved in regular combat in Providence throughout the last week and a half. How many Ushra'khan warships has PIE Inc. Destroyed in the last week? I seem to recall me asking you not so long ago for a breakdown of SF's kills by corporation, and you said that such a statistic was meaningless. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:29:00 - [200] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Our ships have been involved in regular combat in Providence throughout the last week and a half. How many Ushra'khan warships has PIE Inc. Destroyed in the last week? A better question. How many PIE ships did Ushra'khan destroy last week? My guess would be a relatively low number. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:29:00 - [201] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Our ships have been involved in regular combat in Providence throughout the last week and a half. How many Ushra'khan warships has PIE Inc. Destroyed in the last week? I seem to recall me asking you not so long ago for a breakdown of SF's kills by corporation, and you said that such a statistic was meaningless. Okay let me make it easier for you. How many Ushra'khan warships has PIE Inc. Participated in the destruction of during the last week? Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:34:00 - [202] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/05/2007 14:32:58 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Our ships have been involved in regular combat in Providence throughout the last week and a half. How many Ushra'khan warships has PIE Inc. Destroyed in the last week? I seem to recall me asking you not so long ago for a breakdown of SF's kills by corporation, and you said that such a statistic was meaningless. Okay let me make it easier for you. How many Ushra'khan warships has PIE Inc. Participated in the destruction of during the last week? Firstly, I'm sure you'll appreciate that it takes time for kill data to be migrated across from one corporation to another. Secondly, I'm sure you're already aware that we in PIE tend not to publish our kill/loss tallies here. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:41:00 - [203] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/05/2007 14:32:58 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Our ships have been involved in regular combat in Providence throughout the last week and a half. How many Ushra'khan warships has PIE Inc. Destroyed in the last week? I seem to recall me asking you not so long ago for a breakdown of SF's kills by corporation, and you said that such a statistic was meaningless. Okay let me make it easier for you. How many Ushra'khan warships has PIE Inc. Participated in the destruction of during the last week? Firstly, I'm sure you'll appreciate that it takes time for kill data to be migrated across from one corporation to another. Secondly, I'm sure you're already aware that we in PIE tend not to publish our kill/loss tallies here. Understandable, however since you are unable to post any type of log in regards to your achievements like the Star Fraction's War Diary, how can we be certain? Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:43:00 - [204] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 16/05/2007 14:42:17 Originally by: Rodj Blake Firstly, I'm sure you'll appreciate that it takes time for kill data to be migrated across from one corporation to another.Secondly, I'm sure you're already aware that we in PIE tend not to publish our kill/loss tallies here. I see, so this "huge" effort you are making in providence. We are supposed to take it on trust then? We are supposed to take you at your "word" that you are in fact proving your warrior ethos in huge battles every night and doing what you couldn't do in the throne worlds? Convenient. Or could it be that you've actually only killed a single Ushra'khan battleship in 9UY system a week ago on the 8th when PIE pilot Udyr Vulpayne participated alongside 17! other CVA and friends warships in the destruction of a Maelstrom class vessel piloted by Masuat'aa Matari pilot Xaar? Is this the vast war you left the throne worlds to fight? To take an 18th part of the glory from a single battleship kill in a week? No wonder you don't like publishing statistics Rodj, I've heard about slim pickings but this really takes the biscuit Star Fraction is recruiting
Razor Jaxx Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:44:00 - [205] Edited by: Razor Jaxx on 16/05/2007 14:43:44 Originally by: Rodj Blake Certainly, once you've re-read the part of my comment about you not being a threat to the Empire. Activism and subversion are threats that the Empire cannot defend itself against (again, CONCORD law and galactic citizen rights), but that the paramilitaries (or vigilantes as CometQueen puts it) have to uphold in the name of the powerless Empire. So, yes, we are a threat, and you are the gladius to fight that threat. Originally by: Rodj Blake Well, seeing as how one of your stated objectives is to humiliate us, I would have thought that our current location would be of some concern to you. You humiliate yourselves without our help by failing to stand for imperial ideals in the sacred lands, as stated above. Originally by: Rodj Blake But why would we want to pursue you mercilessly when you are not threat to the Empire? As stated above, we are a threat. Your refusal to acknowledge and act upon it just proves your inadequacy as imperial paramilitaries, if you still claim that role of course. But perhaps you have renounced in upholding and defending the sacred ideals of the Empire. Edit: scared -> sacred
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:47:00 - [206] Originally by: Casserina Leshrac Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/05/2007 14:32:58 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Our ships have been involved in regular combat in Providence throughout the last week and a half. How many Ushra'khan warships has PIE Inc. Destroyed in the last week? I seem to recall me asking you not so long ago for a breakdown of SF's kills by corporation, and you said that such a statistic was meaningless. Okay let me make it easier for you. How many Ushra'khan warships has PIE Inc. Participated in the destruction of during the last week? Firstly, I'm sure you'll appreciate that it takes time for kill data to be migrated across from one corporation to another. Secondly, I'm sure you're already aware that we in PIE tend not to publish our kill/loss tallies here. Understandable, however since you are unable to post any type of log in regards to your achievements like the Star Fraction's War Diary, how can we be certain? How can we really be certain regarding the numbers bandied around by SF? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:49:00 - [207] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 16/05/2007 14:42:17 Originally by: Rodj Blake Firstly, I'm sure you'll appreciate that it takes time for kill data to be migrated across from one corporation to another.Secondly, I'm sure you're already aware that we in PIE tend not to publish our kill/loss tallies here. I see, so this "huge" effort you are making in providence. We are supposed to take it on trust then? We are supposed to take you at your "word" that you are in fact proving your warrior ethos in huge battles every night and doing what you couldn't do in the throne worlds? Convenient. Or could it be that you've actually only killed a single Ushra'khan battleship in 9UY system a week ago on the 8th when PIE pilot Udyr Vulpayne participated alongside 17! other CVA and friends warships in the destruction of a Maelstrom class vessel piloted by Masuat'aa Matari pilot Xaar? Is this the vast war you left the throne worlds to fight? To take an 18th part of the glory from a single battleship kill in a week? No wonder you don't like publishing statistics Rodj, I've heard about slim pickings but this really takes the biscuit I don't know where you're getting your statistics from, but I'm seeing a very different picture. Of course, statistics only tell part of the story. I'm sure we'll see how effective the loyalists as a whole have been once the dust settles over 9UY. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:51:00 - [208] Originally by: Razor Jaxx Edited by: Razor Jaxx on 16/05/2007 14:43:44 Originally by: Rodj Blake Certainly, once you've re-read the part of my comment about you not being a threat to the Empire. Activism and subversion are threats that the Empire cannot defend itself against (again, CONCORD law and galactic citizen rights), but that the paramilitaries (or vigilantes as CometQueen puts it) have to uphold in the name of the powerless Empire. So, yes, we are a threat, and you are the gladius to fight that threat. You may consider selling legal holovids outside the Emperor Family station to be an act of subversion, but I'm sure that most people would disagree. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:58:00 - [209] I do hate to be nit-picky but i seem to recall an image of Mr. Blake himself in an Archon, but i have no knowledge of a time stamp for such media. The implication was that he used it in Providence. I am curious where this line of discussion is leading Ms. Constantine, do you mean to say the number of vessels destroyed proves or disproves claims of involvement? not to sound like I am prevaricating in defense of your argument (well perhaps a little, I beg your indulgence). I must admit I am not personally responsible for much in the way of actual ship destruction but during my time with the Khanid in Relinquished I scouted much and feel I provided great assistance. I have also offered significant bounties to organizations in Agil to clear the HED gate when I had to transport significant assets in a vessel ill-fitted for blockage maneuvering, before transports and cloaking devices. I also have connected organizations together and shared news of interest and in numerous occasions this led to cooperation and eventual success of said organizations. such as during several Placid conflicts. and I have also supplied logistical aid during times of war, indeed I retained a contract with a now defunct but was then the largest Southern alliance that included the moving of star base fuel in and moon minerals out through the war torn highways of Empire an on occasion into Omist itself. This kept many stations running and isk flowing from Moon production. Perhaps I am mistaken (that is always an unwavering possibility) but not being on concord loss declarations I do not feel proves overmuch in the scheme of greater conflicts. This is only my personal experience of course. Cometqueen devotee of God and the Truth
Razor Jaxx Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:02:00 - [210] Originally by: CometQueen that is well documented and indeed I remember the change Pure Blind went through during that conflict. My personal opinion is that (until recently with the emergence of Razor and Freedom Force) Pure blind had changed for the worse but that depends on your definition of what the Phoenix alliance were doing there. Not only Pure Blind, but Venal, Tenal, Branch and Tribute were equally affected. Water has passed under the bridge then, other territorial alliances have formed, but nonetheless, you cannot discuss the impact of the Fraction's activities then and there. Knowing if that impact was for better or worse is out of the scope of the 'achievement' debate and is very subjective. You seem to agree, however, that something was achieved. Originally by: CometQueen another term for this is vigilantes. your estimation of the concept of Paramilitaries I feel is accurate, though in this instance PIE does operate with the approval of the Empire. I feel that a closer terminology for them would be Regulators. It is actually my point that they operate with the blessing of the Empire. But empowerement also means duty, and it is their duty to strike where the Empire cannot, and drive us activists out of the sacred lands. PIE hides under the pretense that we pose 'no threat' to judge us as irrelevant. I wonder if the Empire is pleased that its paramilitaries are letting subversion run rampant in its very core, choosing instead to devote all their resources to territorial expansion that the Empire never sought. And, using PIE's very own argument, if the Empire was indeed keen on acquiring Providence, would it not send its very own Navy to deal with it? This is, after all, lawless space, and the Navy wouldn't have to contend with CONCORD law in those areas. Originally by: CometQueen As much as I agree with your two above points, and am glad indeed that you brought them up adding a counter balance to the "accomplishment" debate, I have to disagree. When an individual who is declared an enemy of the Empire enters secure boarders they are usually destroyed instantly. Between Concord, the Empire's gate turrets and the various patrols of Navy ships there is no longer a Pod fleet capable of sustaining operations in an Empire's territory that has them marked as threats...now that the Ospreys have been retired that is. We have all seen the subspace announcements which often precedes a brilliant explosion and a quickly retreating escape pod. There are I believe ways to gain the direct hostility of the Empire, bombing their trade convoys and taking covert operational jobs with foreign powers who sometimes might pay you to assault Navy vessels. so far the Empire has not deemed to make outlaw those who war among the pod community if they pay the legal fees required by Concord. You answered my second point even before I finished posting it, pardon the multiple edits. Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth Being an enemy does not necessarily imply being an outlaw. The Star Fraction is in no shape of form military able to confront the Imperial Navy. Nor is any alliance in the galaxy for that matter. However, we use subversion and activism to combat the Empire. The ideals we convey strongly oppose those of the Empire. As such, we are both a threat and an enemy. PIE can acknowledge that and drive us out, or it can turn a blind eye to it, deem us irrelevant, and fail its mission as a paramilitary force. Simple.
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:03:00 - [211] Originally by: CometQueen I do hate to be nit-picky but i seem to recall an image of Mr. Blake himself in an Archon, but i have no knowledge of a time stamp for such media. The implication was that he used it in Providence. I am curious where this line of discussion is leading Ms. Constantine, do you mean to say the number of vessels destroyed proves or disproves claims of involvement? not to sound like I am prevaricating in defense of your argument (well perhaps a little, I beg your indulgence). I must admit I am not personally responsible for much in the way of actual ship destruction but during my time with the Khanid in Relinquished I scouted much and feel I provided great assistance. I have also offered significant bounties to organizations in Agil to clear the HED gate when I had to transport significant assets in a vessel ill-fitted for blockage maneuvering, before transports and cloaking devices. I also have connected organizations together and shared news of interest and in numerous occasions this led to cooperation and eventual success of said organizations. such as during several Placid conflicts. and I have also supplied logistical aid during times of war, indeed I retained a contract with a now defunct but was then the largest Southern alliance that included the moving of star base fuel in and moon minerals out through the war torn highways of Empire an on occasion into Omist itself. This kept many stations running and isk flowing from Moon production. Perhaps I am mistaken (that is always an unwavering possibility) but not being on concord loss declarations I do not feel proves overmuch in the scheme of greater conflicts. This is only my personal experience of course. Cometqueen devotee of God and the Truth I think a more relevant way to look on this would be that if PIE had not or where not in Providence, would CVA have even noticed. They are nothing, they live off the scraps of stronger entities because they have neither the will nor the ability to do anything for themselves. The only thing they are good at is vapid claims about irrelevance on Galnet because of past glories they may or may not have had some time in the distant past.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:04:00 - [212] Originally by: Rodj Blake I don't know where you're getting your statistics from, but I'm seeing a very different picture. Of course, statistics only tell part of the story. I'm sure we'll see how effective the loyalists as a whole have been once the dust settles over 9UY. Both our organisations publish our victories Rodj. But of course only Star Fraction publishes our losses too. This means I have no way of knowing what losses the Ushra'khan are inflicting on your shipping but I can see the losses you are claiming to have inflicted on them are very scant indeed. But you see my point I trust? You claim you are fighting some "huge battle" in providence and thats your excuse for running away from the throne worlds right? But in fact you aren't achieving anything there except an 18th portion of the glory from a single battleship kill. An earlier post in this thread described PIE Inc. today as a parasite-entity existing on the backs of others and I see being one ship out of 18 on the kill of an enemy that you claim to be "fighting tooth and nail" and being oh so significant in opposition of is just that - minor parasitism on the achievements of a larger ally. You don't see SF claiming to have destroyed a CVA capital ship because we lucked in on the kill of Silverbullet's Revalation class Dreadnaught during QR with us making up 20% of the pilots in the gang that brought it down. Why then do we see PIE Inc. claiming glory for deeds in Providence when your pilots are making up 1/18th of the participations for single battleship kills? The answer is that we have class and the backbone to stand on our own feet and accomplish our own deeds and you do not. And thats ultimately the reason that brings you to each of these war diaries to make an embarrassment of yourself Rodj. You just can't stand the fact you are unable to confront us in space and were forced to this humiliating "run and hide" tactic to try and salvage a little misplaced "pride". I pity you really. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:05:00 - [213] Originally by: Razor Jaxx However, we use subversion and activism to combat the Empire. The ideals we convey strongly oppose those of the Empire. As such, we are both a threat and an enemy. PIE can acknowledge that and drive us out, or it can turn a blind eye to it, deem us irrelevant, and fail its mission as a paramilitary force. Simple. And perhaps you would care to share with us exactly how your activities have combated the Empire? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:07:00 - [214] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/05/2007 15:10:26 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/05/2007 15:07:45 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake I don't know where you're getting your statistics from, but I'm seeing a very different picture. Of course, statistics only tell part of the story. I'm sure we'll see how effective the loyalists as a whole have been once the dust settles over 9UY. Both our organisations publish our victories Rodj. But of course only Star Fraction publishes our losses too. This means I have no way of knowing what losses the Ushra'khan are inflicting on your shipping but I can see the losses you are claiming to have inflicted on them are very scant indeed. We publish neither our kills nor our losses here. As for our kills against Ushra'Khan, not only have we participated in far more than a single battleship kill, but we have also participated in the kills of vessels allied to them. Star Fraction are unwilling to publish their own kill statistics on a corp by corp basis (or indeed an alliance by alliance basis), but seem very happy to insist that PIE does just that. Why does such a double standard not surprise me? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Razor Jaxx Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:08:00 - [215] Originally by: Rodj Blake You may consider selling legal holovids outside the Emperor Family station to be an act of subversion, but I'm sure that most people would disagree. You, my dear sir, must be having a laugh. While we indeed enjoy peddling smut, and using other forms of blatant activism that ridicule the imperial ideals in the eyes of the masses, I am sure you are well aware that we do defend serious ideals that radically oppose those of the Empire. Subversion happens in the minds of the many. This actual campaign is a great vector for propagating subversion, but apparently you fail to see that as well.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:12:00 - [216] Originally by: Razor Jaxx Originally by: Rodj Blake You may consider selling legal holovids outside the Emperor Family station to be an act of subversion, but I'm sure that most people would disagree. You, my dear sir, must be having a laugh. While we indeed enjoy peddling smut, and using other forms of blatant activism that ridicule the imperial ideals in the eyes of the masses, I am sure you are well aware that we do defend serious ideals that radically oppose those of the Empire. Subversion happens in the minds of the many. This actual campaign is a great vector for propagating subversion, but apparently you fail to see that as well. You may consider your half-baked utopian ideals to be a threat to the Empire, but let's face it, nobody really takes them seriously. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:14:00 - [217] Originally by: CometQueen I do hate to be nit-picky but i seem to recall an image of Mr. Blake himself in an Archon, but i have no knowledge of a time stamp for such media. The implication was that he used it in Providence. And I undocked a Moros Class Dreadnaught in misaba last night, so what? It proves nothing. Simply taking a picture of oneself in space in a vessel is a long long way from using it in combat and achieving objectives. Anybody can sit at a POS applying fighters to disposable frigates and claim to be "in the front lines" but the reality is such involvement is not terribly difficult to manage. The only times we've seen Rodj in an actual fighting vessel vulnerable to our fire we've destroyed him. Quote: I am curious where this line of discussion is leading Ms. Constantine, do you mean to say the number of vessels destroyed proves or disproves claims of involvement? Well its about documentary evidence really. Take the discussion I was having with him earlier for example. As a pilot in SF I have all the current members of PIE Inc. in my address book. Each evening I count their numbers and as I have said on this thread the total rarely goes about 3. So I call Rodj on this as evidence of the declining morale of his corporation and the failure of their providence escape to revitalise their spirits and his reply: "Its not true". Well thats the end of debate then isn't it? I could say "yes it is" he replies "oh no it isn't" a few times and we are in the territory of pantomine. And thats how it goes with anything that is not backed by solid statistical evidence. So this is why we default to counting ship destructions really. We've killed 600 loyalist ships and pods since the war began and we can prove this 100% with valid concord destruction mails. Rodj can't say "no you haven't" and so is silent on the issue. If you want to know why this issue of ship counting comes to such importance look no further than this - it is impossible to debate anything less certain with PIE members because they simply lie about everything as a matter of course. Star Fraction is recruiting
Razor Jaxx Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:15:00 - [218] Originally by: Rodj Blake And perhaps you would care to share with us exactly how your activities have combated the Empire? Certainly. By merely being here and exposing your failures and weaknesses, we make the Empire weaker. Why? Because we show to the Amarrian masses, and the entire galaxy in general, that the imperial values can be mocked and ****ed upon from within the very core of imperial land without triggering any reaction from the so-called paramilitaries.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:15:00 - [219] Originally by: Rodj Blake We publish neither our kills nor our losses here.[/quote You don't publish your losses anywhere public Rodj. Just as well for your morale really. Star Fraction is recruiting
Razor Jaxx Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:17:00 - [220] Originally by: Rodj Blake You may consider your half-baked utopian ideals to be a threat to the Empire, but let's face it, nobody really takes them seriously. I'm glad to see that you, Mr Blake, consider yourself to represent the minds and voices of the entire galaxy. Does your ego fit in your Archon?
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:19:00 - [221] Quote: And thats how it goes with anything that is not backed by solid statistical evidence. So this is why we default to counting ship destructions really. We've killed 600 loyalist ships and pods since the war began and we can prove this 100% with valid concord destruction mails. Rodj can't say "no you haven't" and so is silent on the issue. The reason that I'm silent is that your refusal to divulge your numbers on an opponent by opponent basis makes it very difficult to verify them. Statistics can be massaged, and I'm sure that the often are by the SF. Furthermore, even totally accurate statistice can only tell part of the story. Quote: If you want to know why this issue of ship counting comes to such importance look no further than this - it is impossible to debate anything less certain with PIE members because they simply lie about everything as a matter of course. Please provide solid evidence that just one of my statements is a lie. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:20:00 - [222] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/05/2007 15:20:41 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/05/2007 15:18:11 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake We publish neither our kills nor our losses here. You don't publish your losses anywhere public Rodj. Just as well for your morale really. And we don't publicly publish our kills either. And bearing in mind that our kills and losses are tracked internally and available to all officers, how would their public disclosure affect morale either way? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:23:00 - [223] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Tharrn It is understandable that Jasmine doesn't want to answer the question regarding their achievements as the list of accumulated failures over four years would just be too embarassing and hard to spin. I don't think we should be hearing the word "failure" from a man who's alliance utterly failed to make any impact whatsover on Star Fraction in this war and who's sole active combat pilot defected from your ranks to another CVA corporation in disgust for your negativity and woeful deployment of war-tactics. Tharrn - in Free Captain circles your name is synonymous with laughable mediocrity - nothing else. You mean like HF failed to make any impact on the 'sheep' that were led to the 'slaughterhouse' by the 'Judas Goat'? In Amarr loyalist circles your name is synonymous with a whiney attention ***** that craves nothing more than to be important but rides from failure to failure - nothing else. Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:25:00 - [224] Originally by: Rodj Blake The reason that I'm silent is that your refusal to divulge your numbers on an opponent by opponent basis makes it very difficult to verify them. Statistics can be massaged, and I'm sure that the often are by the SF. Furthermore, even totally accurate statistice can only tell part of the story. Our victories are a matter of public record. You and your corp mates are the only people that seem to have problems understanding what the numbers mean. This means you are either very stupid or very deceitful, but this is an argument we have had many times and will not be resolved now. 600 kills against Amarrian bloc allies that tried to defend the honour of PIE. Each of these achieved either against your corporation or against the corporations and alliances that wardecced Star Fraction in your defense. You fly single battleships admidst gangs of 17 CVA vessels. You have no right to be considered an individual identity when you make up about 5% of enemy strength. You are as has been pointed out on this thread ... parasites. Quote: Please provide solid evidence that just one of my statements is a lie. We don't get concord mails detailing your online numbers Rodj. Hence solid evidence only exists for your woeful performance in space. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:27:00 - [225] Originally by: Tharrn You mean like HF failed to make any impact on the 'sheep' that were led to the 'slaughterhouse' by the 'Judas Goat'? In Amarr loyalist circles your name is synonymous with a whiney attention ***** that craves nothing more than to be important but rides from failure to failure - nothing else. Oh shut up you pointless fool! You lost your right to speak when you chickened out of the war first Seriously, you arrived with all the braggart boasts of a conquerer and left with the whimpering of a beaten child. Just go and hide somewhere already. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:28:00 - [226] Quote: Quote: Please provide solid evidence that just one of my statements is a lie. We don't get concord mails detailing your online numbers Rodj. Hence solid evidence only exists for your woeful performance in space. You claimed that I lie as a matter of course. So go on then, let's see some solid evidence that just one of my statements is a lie. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:29:00 - [227] As long as PIE continues the dodge the issue of their "relevant" operations in other regions such as Providence. We can expect nothing from them. What I mean by this is that they will not engage the Star Fraction except at times of their own choosing. This translates into "never". That they support other Amarr paramilitaries in combat operations against the Star Fraction, from the safety of their stations. And that will use the same old rhetoric on IGS. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:30:00 - [228] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Tharrn You mean like HF failed to make any impact on the 'sheep' that were led to the 'slaughterhouse' by the 'Judas Goat'? In Amarr loyalist circles your name is synonymous with a whiney attention ***** that craves nothing more than to be important but rides from failure to failure - nothing else. Oh shut up you pointless fool! You lost your right to speak when you chickened out of the war first Seriously, you arrived with all the braggart boasts of a conquerer and left with the whimpering of a beaten child. Just go and hide somewhere already. And yet strangely enough, SF's retraction of their war against the CVA during the "Mamet 500" affair didn't seem to have resulted in them holding their tongues. Double standards from the SF? Surely not! Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:31:00 - [229] Originally by: Rodj Blake You claimed that I lie as a matter of course. So go on then, let's see some solid evidence that just one of my statements is a lie. Can you provide solid evidence of your active pilot numbers in space over the past four weeks with independently verified graphs and statistics in the format of a concord mail? No? Then if you can't prove you are telling that truth that leaves us in the impasse I explained to Comet Queen. Vessel losses are the only verifiable source of progress we can count on. I say you are liar, you say you are not. Ultimately its for any reader of these threads to make their own minds up on the issue. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:32:00 - [230] Originally by: Rodj Blake And yet strangely enough, SF's retraction of their war against the CVA during the "Mamet 500" affair didn't seem to have resulted in them holding their tongues. Double standards from the SF? Surely not! Strangely enough we admitted defeat in that war. Yet when CVA retracted in this current one we heard no such admission. Yes Double standards for sure but not the way you mean it. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:34:00 - [231] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake You claimed that I lie as a matter of course. So go on then, let's see some solid evidence that just one of my statements is a lie. Can you provide solid evidence of your active pilot numbers in space over the past four weeks with independently verified graphs and statistics in the format of a concord mail? No? Then if you can't prove you are telling that truth that leaves us in the impasse I explained to Comet Queen. Vessel losses are the only verifiable source of progress we can count on. I say you are liar, you say you are not. Ultimately its for any reader of these threads to make their own minds up on the issue. You say that I am a liar as a matter of course, implying that pretty much everything I say is a lie. Surely, you can find just one piece of evidence to support that assertion? I've made quite a few statements on this forum over the years. Surely you can provide solid evidence that just one of those statements was a lie? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:35:00 - [232] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake And yet strangely enough, SF's retraction of their war against the CVA during the "Mamet 500" affair didn't seem to have resulted in them holding their tongues. Double standards from the SF? Surely not! Strangely enough we admitted defeat in that war. Yet when CVA retracted in this current one we heard no such admission. Yes Double standards for sure but not the way you mean it. That's because the CVA weren't defeated. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr A Better Future	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:49:00 - [233] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Is PIE Inc. Relevant to the Amarrian Empire? A. Yes B. No C. Don't know I'm going to take the liberty of providing an answer to that question. D. Mu. How's that for a simple answer? ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:51:00 - [234] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/05/2007 15:50:17 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/05/2007 15:50:05 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake That's because the CVA weren't defeated. So you are saying the SF1 retraction of war was a "defeat" but the CVA retraction of war vs SF2 is not a "defeat"? Interesting how do you justify that? Because the SF's stated aim in the first war was the handover of the Mamet 500 in which they failed, and because the CVA's war declaration was only ever intended to last until they were ready to commence the assault on 9UY. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 16:14:00 - [235] Originally by: Casserina Leshrac Originally by: Cassandra Bontecou Originally by: Sable Schroedinger CVA + PIE + Friends are expanding and furthering the interests of the empire in providence when, if the empire wanted it could have taken it for itself, if the empire wanted a presence there the navy would already be there in force and no amarrian official has ever announced the empire has the slightest interest in the area. So, therefore, we can conclude using your logic, as there is no interest in the area, that the empire has no need to work through means other than its own navy and, according to your logic, a lack of expressed opinion equates to evidence of a contrary or disinterested opinion. It is fair to conclude that you are not in providence expanding the influence of ôgods empireö, you are nothing more than another group of 0.0 warlords and bandit kings and if anything, you are there against the very desires of the empire! (because everyone knows that if they desired the area they would have it already). I believe I've already spoke to this point. But patience is virtue, especially when dealing with feeble. To wit: Quote: CVA created Operation Deliverance inside Providence as a means of bringing Amarrian Law (and more importantly our one true Faith) to a lawlessness, ignorant, morally bankrupt, backwater little corner of space. Does that mean that the great houses of Amarr read of our victories here in Providence and cheer? Or that they brood on our set backs? I certainly wouldn't deign to say. However I know the multitudes of Amarrian civilians in lower Domain and Providence cheer and brood with us. I know the local magistrates, merchants, and lords give thanks daily for the safety and security we in CVA provide them. What does that all mean in regards to your glib question about our relevance to the Empire? We [CVA] came to Deliverance to settle it using the Empires precepts to guide us; Faith, Prosperity, Stability, and Security. And as Lord Reash has said we did this of our own free will. Thusly With every success we expand the Empirical sphere of influence, and so we serve. The war rolls on In my small, and rather unimportant opinion the highlighted section explains the difference between CVA and the ranks of 0.0 "warlords". So CVA does see itself as relevant to Empire. Now that wasn't too hard was it? Now only if PIE could do the same. If you read the section you highlighed you will see that it us the CVA that considers the Empire relevent. As has been stated, neither PIE nor CVA can speak for the empire. Asking the question again and again will not change that. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Cassandra Bontecou Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 16:20:00 - [236] Originally by: Casserina Leshrac Now that wasn't too hard was it? Now only if PIE could do the same. Hard? Well... no, but I did say it much earlier. Sadly the bleeting of your's and Jasmine's voices must have drowned mine out. I'm certain that wasn't intentional.
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.16 16:35:00 - [237] Originally by: Cassandra Bontecou Originally by: Casserina Leshrac Now that wasn't too hard was it? Now only if PIE could do the same. Hard? Well... no, but I did say it much earlier. Sadly the bleeting of your's and Jasmine's voices must have drowned mine out. I'm certain that wasn't intentional. Actually I was still looking for the answer from PIE. But thanks for the answer, you and others have already answered for PIE and I am certain that they appreciate your time and effort for it. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 16:46:00 - [238] Having just read the posts by Mr Razor Jaxx on how he sees the events during the current SF-PIE war I feel that it is only fair that I give a short summary of how I (and many like me) see things. First of all, let me congratulate Mr Jaxx on a well written series of posts. Although I disagree with the points he make, I admire his ability to post his views in a respectful and honorable manner despite the obvious "smut war" that is taking place here on IGS. It is a principle of mine to deal with people in a manner similar to the way they deal with others. Consequently, I will try to explain my views on the points raised in a way similar to the one used by Mr Jaxx. The point of Mr Razor Jaxx is that PIE has failed in its role as paramilitaries when we refused to engage SF in Amarr. However, at the time of the Star Fraction war dec PIE had no less than 4 other active wars if I recall correctly - including our "major" conflict against the Ushra Khan. PIE is not an organisation strong enough to fight with "full strength" on multiple fronts at once - even if we were sound policy would dictate us to concentrate our forces. Consequently, we decided to concentrate on our current preparations for the battles in Providence. This decision was based partly on the fact that in reality we would be unable to dislodge you from Amarr as long as the Emire grants you docking rights. Another reason for the decision we made was that we considered (and actually still do) U'K to be a far greater long term threat than Star Fraction. In other words, compared to the threat of U'K the threat of Star Fraction was "insignificant". This is not to say that if we had no other business we wouldn't engage you full strength as you had expected when you gave your war declaration - it is simply a explanation that we made a policy decision and followed up upon it. Now, it is your prerogative to disagree with such a decision. Moreover you are welcome to voice your disagreement if you like. You will even have my respect if you voice your concerns with respect and honour such as you have. However, it is not for Star Fraction to dictate PIE policy. Our policies are for us to decide upon. I have often raised my voice in disagreement with the policy decision of Star Fraction to base your war out of Amarr - claiming your presence there is irrelevant to us, and consequently a poor policy decision. I have never meant to question your right to make that decision in the first place however - if it has appeared so, you have my apologies. On a sidenote, Star Fractions recent decision to move your base of operations to Mista appear to signal that your leadership may have come to agree with my opinion. Finally, I will simply make this brief personal statement: You Mr Jaxx are a clear example that there is indeed a lot of honour left in Star Fraction. I salute you for it. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Razor Jaxx Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 17:13:00 - [239] Thank you for the kind reply, Mr Augustus. I salute you for actually addressing the core issues I raised in my own scribblings, rather than choosing to nit-pick around restrictive facets of it. While I can only commend your strategic decision to focus your efforts on a single opponent, and while I fully understand that the U'K are a historical opponent - on top of being a worthy foe, I would assume - of PIE, I must insist on my course of thought. Providence is not a part of the Amarrian Empire proper. Yes, it is a matter of dispute between the expansionist CVA - who hence have full legitimacy operating in that region, brandishing the flag of imperial values - and the equally expansionist U'K, which simply cannot let those ideals triumph over their own republican values. However, PIE Inc. itself is not an expansionist entity. Its role is, at the risk of repeating myself, to uphold and defend the values of the Empire, mostly within imperial borders, and mostly when the Empire itself is powerless to take action, as is precisely the case with Star Fraction. It is of course not at all my prerogative to set goals in your stead ; I am however extremely surprised that a paramilitary formation such as PIE deems expansionist objectives more important than the defense of imperial values within the imperial borders. It was my understanding that the integrity, whether moral or territorial, of the Empire itself took precedence over expansion - expansion that, as far as I can tell, has nowhere been underwritten by the imperial ruling body. However, maybe I have mis-judged PIE's mission and duty towards the Empire ; perhaps your duty truly lies in expansionist ventures, with disregard for imperial integrity. I will not comment on our strategic relocation - for obvious reasons of military efficiency. Finally, thank you again for the kind closing words in your message. I can assure you that it is equally appreciable, from my point of view, to be able to have an intelligent exchange with a member of the opposing forces such as yourself.
Kallanagh Tellen Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.16 18:07:00 - [240] I see the SF 'walls of ever-repeated information regarding self importance' is in full swing I see rolls eyes. Nevermind, I'm sure if they try reeeeeeeaaaally hard, then perhaps people might break concentration to actually care about their rather pointless whinings. Then again I always did enjoy a good puppet show, carry on! grins
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.16 18:20:00 - [241] Originally by: Kallanagh Tellen I see the SF 'walls of ever-repeated information regarding self importance' is in full swing I see rolls eyes. Nevermind, I'm sure if they try reeeeeeeaaaally hard, then perhaps people might break concentration to actually care about their rather pointless whinings. Then again I always did enjoy a good puppet show, carry on! grins What whining is that? The only thing I see that is vaguely entertaining is the squirming of PIE. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Cassandra Bontecou Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 18:39:00 - [242] Originally by: Casserina Leshrac Originally by: Cassandra Bontecou Originally by: Casserina Leshrac Now that wasn't too hard was it? Now only if PIE could do the same. Hard? Well... no, but I did say it much earlier. Sadly the bleeting of your's and Jasmine's voices must have drowned mine out. I'm certain that wasn't intentional. Actually I was still looking for the answer from PIE. But thanks for the answer, you and others have already answered for PIE and I am certain that they appreciate your time and effort for it. I live to serve.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 18:40:00 - [243] Regarding the issue of PIE's role in defending the Empire, Ushra'Khan has over the years shown itself to be a viable threat to the stability of the Empire. They have used their home in Providence as a base from which they attack the Empire. They have also demonstrated that they have an ability to alter public opinion amongst the planet-bound populations of the Minmatar Republic. As such, we consider the U'K to be more of a threat to the well-being of the Empire than SF, and consequently we have decided that we can currently best assist in the defence of Empire by taking part in the Providence campaign. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.16 19:23:00 - [244] Originally by: Rodj Blake Regarding the issue of PIE's role in defending the Empire, Ushra'Khan has over the years shown itself to be a viable threat to the stability of the Empire. They have used their home in Providence as a base from which they attack the Empire. They have also demonstrated that they have an ability to alter public opinion amongst the planet-bound populations of the Minmatar Republic. As such, we consider the U'K to be more of a threat to the well-being of the Empire than SF, and consequently we have decided that we can currently best assist in the defence of Empire by taking part in the Providence campaign. I do believe that SF is also operating in Providence as well. If that is the case U'K is sure to have some help in that regard. That is considering the Loyalists track record against PIE itself. It should definitely be very interesting indeed, don't you think? Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 19:25:00 - [245] Once again, Mr Jaxx, I'm not an official spokesperson for PIE but I will of course make a few comments on matters as I see them. Originally by: Razor Jaxx However, PIE Inc. itself is not an expansionist entity. Its role is, at the risk of repeating myself, to uphold and defend the values of the Empire, mostly within imperial borders,... Here perhaps you are touching on the actual center of the matter and missing it at the same time (no offence intended). The Amarr Empire is to me a lot more than a series of solar Systems with Amarr Prime in it's approximate center. The Amarr Empire is a thought, an ideal, a way of life. It is the job of PIE to defend that way of life. The Ushra Khan has sworn to destroy that way of life and has spent considerable energy over a very long time to that end. Wether the actual fighting takes place within the Empire's current borders or in the regions beyond is actually of little consequence. Star Fractions presence in Amarr was deemed (right or wrong) to be of little consequence compared to the continuous threat posed by U'K - and we have acted accordingly. I cannot say if this is a sort of reasoning you can agree with or understand, but it is nonetheless the reasoning behind the recent policies of PIE. Originally by: Razor Jaxx Edit: Addendum - again without wanting to impede on your strategic choices, wouldn't you say CVA represents a strong enough force to deal with U'K on its own (at least prior to 0utbreak / Ev0ke involvement), without requiring PIE assistance? I cannot claim to have anticipated the alliance of U'K with various pirate organisations in order to defend the last remaining ourpost in Providence. However we all know that U'K will defend what they call theirs to the last and with all the undoubted skill they posess. We all know that they will pull several surprises on us along the way. I also think that the prudent commander does not split his forces without reason - the mere fact that CVA are likely to be able to deal with U'K on their own, does not warrant for me to feel that we should deploy anything but our full strength. Originally by: Razor Jaxx I speculate that the Fraction and PIE, which are both of roughly equal size and experience, could (would?) have partaken in an epic campaign. therein lies the gist of my regrets. I see by this paragraph that you are indeed a fighter at heart - seeking always the even engagement. However, I see my role in the greater scheme of things to be somewhat different. My duty is to serve the interests of the Empire in the best way I conceivably can. That duty has lead me to follow my current path in Providence rather than seek an engagement that may well bring personal glory wether we win or lose. That duty has set me upon my current path rather than one that may serve myself but is likely to have little impact on the Empire I serve. It has been said before, but it is no less true for that: My duty and honour is to serve. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 21:41:00 - [246] PIE goes where we are needed to serve the Empire to the best of our ability, no more and no less. Quote: However, maybe I have mis-judged PIE's mission and duty towards the Empire ; perhaps your duty truly lies in expansionist ventures, with disregard for imperial integrity. What threat do you think you represent to Imperial Integrety? U'K has actually caused important damages to the Empire from their base in 9uy, most recently in the form of a battlestation in the bleak lands, as well as forcing the Ammatar to consider a second hostile front. Star Fraction has done less damage to imperial integrety than your average group of pirates. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Razor Jaxx Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 22:16:00 - [247] Edited by: Razor Jaxx on 16/05/2007 22:14:56 Thank you again for a detailed and courteous answer, Mr Augustus. While I disagree what your priorities should be as a paramilitary entity at the service of the Empire, I have to respect that it is you and your brethren, not me, who ultimately decide what PIE's goals should be. I could hardly claim to be defending one's free will on one hand, and pretend to impose my own views on the other. I have not given up hope that our respective factions can someday duke it out, on equal footing and equal ground. History will decide. As for you, Admiral Lok'ri, I have stated in this very thread what I believe is our threat to the Empire. I will let you dig it up and read it for yourself. You may or may not agree with it, but if you wish to discuss it, please bring some valid arguments to the table. Thank you.
Jonny Damordred Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 22:26:00 - [248] Originally by: CometQueen Besides the written work your imagery is quite poignant. Who may I ask is responsible for the various banners and slogan posters your movement deploys so aptly? Atandros and I seem to be responsible for the majority of the more recient banners. However, many hands have done the artwork for SF in the past. Cheers, Jonny D. -----
CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2007.05.16 23:05:00 - [249] Originally by: Jonny Damordred Originally by: CometQueen Besides the written work your imagery is quite poignant. Who may I ask is responsible for the various banners and slogan posters your movement deploys so aptly? Atandros and I seem to be responsible for the majority of the more recient banners. However, many hands have done the artwork for SF in the past. Cheers, Jonny D. Well you should be commended. Your dramatic example of media is quite good and I (as a member of the audience) appreciate the time, effort and thought that obviously goes into your work. Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.17 00:42:00 - [250] It is so nice to just be a humble servant of God and to give all of your being for God and Empire without concern for personal ego. To not have to worry about "relevance" or "impact" or anything else and just focus on what is truly important. When asked "Isn't it great being Amarr?" I always have to answer "Yes".... Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 11:27:00 - [251] Originally by: Rodj Blake Regarding the issue of PIE's role in defending the Empire, Ushra'Khan has over the years shown itself to be a viable threat to the stability of the Empire. They have used their home in Providence as a base from which they attack the Empire. They have also demonstrated that they have an ability to alter public opinion amongst the planet-bound populations of the Minmatar Republic. As such, we consider the U'K to be more of a threat to the well-being of the Empire than SF, and consequently we have decided that we can currently best assist in the defence of Empire by taking part in the Providence campaign. But, Rodj, I've seen members of U'K in Amarr. One even fought one of the Amarrian paramilitaries outside the Emperor Academy Station! (and won I will add) You said that if anyone was a threat to the empire, the Navy would wipe them out (on entry to Amarr space). So, either you were lying then, or you're lying now. Which is it? -------------------------------------------- Join Now
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.17 11:34:00 - [252] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 17/05/2007 11:36:17 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 17/05/2007 11:35:21 Originally by: Sable Schroedinger Originally by: Rodj Blake Regarding the issue of PIE's role in defending the Empire, Ushra'Khan has over the years shown itself to be a viable threat to the stability of the Empire. They have used their home in Providence as a base from which they attack the Empire. They have also demonstrated that they have an ability to alter public opinion amongst the planet-bound populations of the Minmatar Republic. As such, we consider the U'K to be more of a threat to the well-being of the Empire than SF, and consequently we have decided that we can currently best assist in the defence of Empire by taking part in the Providence campaign. But, Rodj, I've seen members of U'K in Amarr. One even fought one of the Amarrian paramilitaries outside the Emperor Academy Station! (and won I will add) The fact that the U'K are still able to send ships into Amarr despite the assault on their HQ merely serves to underline how much of a threat they pose. And that is why we are taking actions to degrade their ability to project force into the Empire. Do the U'K pose a threat to the Empire's very existence? No they don't. Do they pose more of a threat to the Empire than the SF? Yes they do. Incidentally, many of the U'K's senior members are considered to be KOS by the Imperial Navy. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 11:48:00 - [253] But then, proof perfect that you were lying when you said "SF are not a threat because if they were the Navy would destroy them". It also follows that therefore that you constant barrage of accusations from the Amarrian Paramilitaries of ôirrelevanceö and the like are purely subjective statements based on their point of view and nothing else. You would not be able to, therefore, factually oppose my claim that as they have repeated it so often and at every given opportunity, it is evidence that it is not the case, that such claims are nothing more than childish cries of ôif I canÆt see them, theyÆre not thereö and that you have IN TRUTH fled to Providence to hide amongst CVA and friends. -------------------------------------------- Join Now
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 11:54:00 - [254] Originally by: CometQueen I do hate to be nit-picky but i seem to recall an image of Mr. Blake himself in an Archon, but i have no knowledge of a time stamp for such media. The implication was that he used it in Providence. I don't mean to be nit-picky, but thats pretty trusting of you isn't it? Rodj gets called out for lack of activity and some just happens to have a picture to hand of him in space? I'm sure the first thing I would think of when facing down that many enemies is to take of picture highlighting Rodj in space. ...actually from past experience I might quickly check to see if he was still with us, but thats another story. One I'll only tell if you're actually interested. -------------------------------------------- Join Now
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 12:01:00 - [255] Also, for those that have chanted ôcome out from under the protection of COMCORD". We set aside the protection of CONCORD, we wardecÆd you. YOU fled to Providence once the number of allies prepared to take a bullet for you whilst you hid and spent all your time talking yourself up on here dwindled to the point of being no protection any longer. -------------------------------------------- Join Now
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.17 12:12:00 - [256] Quote: "But then, proof perfect that you were lying when you said "SF are not a threat because if they were the Navy would destroy them". The Minmatar menace has been a threat to the Amarr since day one. These terrorists are truly the children of sin and frequently attack Amarrian loyalists on a weekly basis in various areas of space. The fact they now are in Providence aligning with pirate riffraff in an attempt to destabilize the region and deny the ever present expansion of Amarrian ideology proves this. While the Star Fraction has repeatedly sided with pirates in the past (most recently the Black Rabbits) your efforts have virtually no impact on PIE or Amarrian operations and as you have no stated goals it's difficult to ascertain what your threat level is thus it is set at 'zero'. Terrorist goals include: - Destroying the Amarr Empire - Freeing all the slaves - Killing innocent Amarrian men and women and children Counter that with Star Fraction goals: - Destroy PIE morale (FAILED) - Destroy PIE reptuation (FAILED) - Turn Amarr into a giant brothel (FAILED) - Stop us from expanding the influence of the Empire (FAILED) You've completely failed to list any objectives against our Empire thus you can't be a threat to the Empire. Likewise we all find Concord control of the spacelanes and the lack of customs enforcement a bother so I won't even try to discuss your ability to dock in Amarrian systems. Rest assured if I were the Director of Customs for Amarr there would be no unholy people of any kind allowed at our stations. But with the Minmatar years of repeated attacks on the Empire have made the terrorists a true threat to our way of life whereas Star Fraction might qualify as a threat to our eyesight (due to the damage reading your long war diaries causes to the eyes) but thats about it. Many Minmatar terrorists have negative security standings to the Empire due to their unprovoked attacks on Amarrian shipping. We frequently see Concord alerts when they jump into the system along the lines of "Terrorist you are an enemy of the Amarr Empire......." in public when they enter. This clearly shows the Navy has taken an interest in the presence of these criminals. Even that doesn't make them a "threat" though what does is the clear objective they have in that they want to destroy the Empire and the fact they are actively trying. They don't hide behind fancy war diaries or long winded vague posts with no objectives. "We want to destroy Amarr". That's what they say. Five simple words. Even those words though don't make you a "threat". They've been at it for years and their wars are not to wage a smear campaign. They have our respect as enemies and fighters although we will see them destroyed in the end with Gods help. I realize your leadership is obsessed with being "relevant" and the center of attention. Given the posts here there is clearly some kind of insecurity among the Star Fraction and some desire to be seen as a "threat" to thus validate your position. We do not see you as a threat. If you want to think you're a threat thats fine with us. We think you're irrelevant. If you want to think you're relevant thats fine. We're just PIE. We have no agenda save serving God and Empire. We have no ego to stroke. From escorting the Imperial Apocalypse home to escorting the Speaker of Truth to operations in the future on behalf of our holy Empire we live to serve something greater than our own sense of self importance. That's because we have no sense of self-importance. We live to serve. We are what we are. We're fine with that. If history wants to assign us a legacy so be it. We're just PIE. It's simple that way. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.17 12:18:00 - [257] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 17/05/2007 12:32:17 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 17/05/2007 12:20:16 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 17/05/2007 12:17:00 Originally by: Sable Schroedinger But then, proof perfect that you were lying when you said "SF are not a threat because if they were the Navy would destroy them". And I'm sure that if the U'K were a real threat to the Empire, they would destroy them. If we're going to judge the threat level by the degree of Navy intervention, I believe that there have been occasions when Imperial Navy battleships have sought out and fired upon U'K vessels. U'K have also destroyed an Imperial Navy battle station. Many U'K pilots are KOS to the Imperial Navy. Can you say the same thing about SF? U'K have also demonstrated an ability to manipulate the public opinion of planetary populations. Can SF say the same thing? Rather than describing things by a threat/no threat dichotomy, let's consider threat levels. Imagine that threat can be measured on a scale of nought to a hundred, with one hundred representing a most serious threat. I would put Ushra'Khan at around a five on this scale, and the fractionistas on a one. Thus neither force represents enough threat to the Empire for the Imperial Navy to take decisive action, but the U'K is still more of a threat than SF. Quote: It also follows that therefore that you constant barrage of accusations from the Amarrian Paramilitaries of ôirrelevanceö and the like are purely subjective statements based on their point of view and nothing else. All viewpoints expressed this debate have had a degree of subjectivity about them, no matter from which side. I happen to still consider SF to irrelevant. I also happen to consider U'K to be less irrelevant than SF. I believe that this viewpoint is borne out by the fact that the Imperial authorities have at times engaged U'K vessels in combat while I do not recall them ever engaging SF vessels. Quote: You would not be able to, therefore, factually oppose my claim that as they have repeated it so often and at every given opportunity, it is evidence that it is not the case, that such claims are nothing more than childish cries of ôif I canÆt see them, theyÆre not thereö and that you have IN TRUTH fled to Providence to hide amongst CVA and friends. No. In truth, we have redeployed to Providence to counter a bigger (though still small) threat to the Empire. Saying things in capitals doesn't make them more true, by the way. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 12:33:00 - [258] Originally by: Archbishop - Destroy PIE morale (FAILED) - Destroy PIE reptuation (FAILED) You are down to three or less active pilots an evening from a high point of fifteen at the beginning of the war and your best pilots have defected. You are now a cluster-wide joke amongst the balance of non-CVA-suckteat vassals. This reality seems to contradict your usual penchant for coloured text bareface lying. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.17 12:36:00 - [259] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 17/05/2007 12:37:23 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 17/05/2007 12:35:34 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Archbishop - Destroy PIE morale (FAILED) - Destroy PIE reptuation (FAILED) You are down to three or less active pilots an evening from a high point of fifteen at the beginning of the war and your best pilots have defected. You are now a cluster-wide joke amongst the balance of non-CVA-suckteat vassals. This reality seems to contradict your usual penchant for coloured text bareface lying. Losing our best pilots? Perhaps you can name three pilots of Captain rank or higher that have left PIE? As for our activity levels, they are broadly at the same level as they were before your declaration. While I think of it, how's Devilish getting on in Eve University? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 12:39:00 - [260] Originally by: Rodj Blake Losing our best pilots? Please name three pilots of Captain rank or higher that have left active duty. While I think of it, how's Devilish getting on in Eve University? Defensive Much? The fact you have to qualify your rebuttle with rubbish about "captain rank" is hilarious. As for Devilish you'll have to ask him. Star Fraction still manage to field gangs with twenty-five vessels of an evening... Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 12:42:00 - [261] Originally by: Rodj Blake As for our activity levels, they are broadly at the same level as they were before your declaration. Utter unmitigated rubbish. You really are living in a dream world. Star Fraction is recruiting
Kallanagh Tellen Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.17 12:57:00 - [262] Originally by: Archbishop Quote: "But then, proof perfect that you were lying when you said "SF are not a threat because if they were the Navy would destroy them". The Minmatar menace has been a threat to the Amarr since day one. These terrorists are truly the children of sin and frequently attack Amarrian loyalists on a weekly basis in various areas of space. The fact they now are in Providence aligning with pirate riffraff in an attempt to destabilize the region and deny the ever present expansion of Amarrian ideology proves this. While the Star Fraction has repeatedly sided with pirates in the past (most recently the Black Rabbits) your efforts have virtually no impact on PIE or Amarrian operations and as you have no stated goals it's difficult to ascertain what your threat level is thus it is set at 'zero'. Terrorist goals include: - Destroying the Amarr Empire - Freeing all the slaves - Killing innocent Amarrian men and women and children Counter that with Star Fraction goals: - Destroy PIE morale (FAILED) - Destroy PIE reptuation (FAILED) - Turn Amarr into a giant brothel (FAILED) - Stop us from expanding the influence of the Empire (FAILED) You've completely failed to list any objectives against our Empire thus you can't be a threat to the Empire. Likewise we all find Concord control of the spacelanes and the lack of customs enforcement a bother so I won't even try to discuss your ability to dock in Amarrian systems. Rest assured if I were the Director of Customs for Amarr there would be no unholy people of any kind allowed at our stations. But with the Minmatar years of repeated attacks on the Empire have made the terrorists a true threat to our way of life whereas Star Fraction might qualify as a threat to our eyesight (due to the damage reading your long war diaries causes to the eyes) but thats about it. Many Minmatar terrorists have negative security standings to the Empire due to their unprovoked attacks on Amarrian shipping. We frequently see Concord alerts when they jump into the system along the lines of "Terrorist you are an enemy of the Amarr Empire......." in public when they enter. This clearly shows the Navy has taken an interest in the presence of these criminals. Even that doesn't make them a "threat" though what does is the clear objective they have in that they want to destroy the Empire and the fact they are actively trying. They don't hide behind fancy war diaries or long winded vague posts with no objectives. "We want to destroy Amarr". That's what they say. Five simple words. Even those words though don't make you a "threat". They've been at it for years and their wars are not to wage a smear campaign. They have our respect as enemies and fighters although we will see them destroyed in the end with Gods help. I realize your leadership is obsessed with being "relevant" and the center of attention. Given the posts here there is clearly some kind of insecurity among the Star Fraction and some desire to be seen as a "threat" to thus validate your position. We do not see you as a threat. If you want to think you're a threat thats fine with us. We think you're irrelevant. If you want to think you're relevant thats fine. We're just PIE. We have no agenda save serving God and Empire. We have no ego to stroke. From escorting the Imperial Apocalypse home to escorting the Speaker of Truth to operations in the future on behalf of our holy Empire we live to serve something greater than our own sense of self importance. That's because we have no sense of self-importance. We live to serve. We are what we are. We're fine with that. If history wants to assign us a legacy so be it. We're just PIE. It's simple that way. Archbishop I would say that's pretty much game, set match for this arguement grins. As ever the forces of PIE prove their worth, long may their works continue.
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 13:04:00 - [263] Edited by: Nekumi on 17/05/2007 13:02:43 The simple difference is my poor man, is that this is more than just an argument on galnet. Archbishop's usual feeble words mean nothing. PIE and your own weak and broken organisation hide amongst stronger entities, sucking their victories and claiming them as your own and then trumpet them on Galnet like it means anything. I went into this campaign blind and disillusioned. I believed the crud that PIE propagated about itself, I believed they where a force to be reckoned with. But they are not. Jade Constantine knew this going into the war. This entire campaign is evidence to PIE's utter worthlessness. The corporation is a lie and the people still in it are as delusional to their own stake in the universe as they are to anyone elses around them. So let them make their insignificant contributions to battle with CVA. I think it's precious that they have such good friends to coddle them into infirmity.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.17 13:09:00 - [264] I am a bit surprised that the Star Fraction is so insecure they keep standing up and screaming "IM RELEVANT". If you want to feel your relevant go ahead it makes no difference to us. I do find it entertaining if nothing else. You see we don't seek a "legacy". We don't seek fame. We just do our duty to God and Empire. We'll let people draw their own conclusions. From escorting the Imperial Apocalypse to aiding the Imperial Navy to escorting the Speaker of Truth we have time and time again successfully served the Empire and we continue to serve to this day. We do so out of a sense of duty not a desire to be "famous" or to be the "center of attention" as the Star Fraction seems focused to be. Quite honestly.... looking back on eve-search over three plus years of posts about your alliance its the same old story we've seen time and time again and the same old Star Fraction. We don't care. We serve God and Empire not your need to be famous. If you desire some kind of legacy go build one through actual substantial acts and not through a smear campaign. When you talk about looking like a "joke" I find the fact you've been run from 0.0 and forced to wage war on an IGS forum against a corporation you consider "weak" the true testament of how far you have fallen. In regards to Kostantin leaving PIE just to clear that up he is looking for new opportunties to expand the word of God and bring the influence of Amarr to others. I do recall though an "incident" in your own past where Star Fraction lost a few pilots for the very same reason.... and I recall the very different "conclusion" you came to in that case. YOU CAN'T HIDE FROM YOUR HISTORY I'll respect that in this case your pilots were simply looking for something new as they stated. If you'd like I'm sure Kostantin would say the same thing here. Looks like that old Fractionist Hypocrisy again..... Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 13:10:00 - [265] Originally by: Kallanagh Tellen I would say that's pretty much game, set match for this arguement grins. But then a grovelling invertibrate like yourself would say "yes sir" if an Amarrian asked you clean his boots with your tongue so its hardly a surprise to see such sycophancy driping from your lips is it? Star Fraction is recruiting
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 13:13:00 - [266] Edited by: Nekumi on 17/05/2007 13:11:10 Originally by: Archbishop I am a bit surprised that the Star Fraction is so insecure they keep standing up and screaming "IM RELEVANT". If you want to feel your relevant go ahead it makes no difference to us. I do find it entertaining if nothing else. You see we don't seek a "legacy". We don't seek fame. We just do our duty to God and Empire. We'll let people draw their own conclusions. From escorting the Imperial Apocalypse to aiding the Imperial Navy to escorting the Speaker of Truth we have time and time again successfully served the Empire and we continue to serve to this day. We do so out of a sense of duty not a desire to be "famous" or to be the "center of attention" as the Star Fraction seems focused to be. Quite honestly.... looking back on eve-search over three plus years of posts about your alliance its the same old story we've seen time and time again and the same old Star Fraction. We don't care. We serve God and Empire not your need to be famous. If you desire some kind of legacy go build one through actual substantial acts and not through a smear campaign. When you talk about looking like a "joke" I find the fact you've been run from 0.0 and forced to wage war on an IGS forum against a corporation you consider "weak" the true testament of how far you have fallen. In regards to Kostantin leaving PIE just to clear that up he is looking for new opportunties to expand the word of God and bring the influence of Amarr to others. I do recall though an "incident" in your own past where Star Fraction lost a few pilots for the very same reason.... and I recall the very different "conclusion" you came to in that case. YOU CAN'T HIDE FROM YOUR HISTORY I'll respect that in this case your pilots were simply looking for something new as they stated. If you'd like I'm sure Kostantin would say the same thing here. Looks like that old Fractionist Hypocrisy again..... Archbishop It surprises me how the delusion you live with constantly hasn't driven you to suicide yet, old fool. It is neither here or there whether you think us relevant. I for one do not care what anyone else thinks, especially the likes of you. Nothing, absolutely nothing has been accomplished by your tired old organisation without massive support from other, stronger entities in recent times. You are broken and cannot do anything for yourselves. Continue to spoon feed yourself with the same old words and the same old arguments but your time is passed and it is just a matter of time until people see what a wreck your organisation has become. YOU CAN'T HIDE FROM YOUR FUTURE
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.17 13:15:00 - [267] Quote: I went into this campaign blind and disillusioned. I believed the crud that PIE propagated about itself, I believed they where a force to be reckoned with. But they are not. Jade Constantine knew this going into the war. This entire campaign is evidence to PIE's utter worthlessness. The corporation is a lie and the people still in it are as delusional to their own stake in the universe as they are to anyone elses around them. So let them make their insignificant contributions to battle with CVA. I think it's precious that they have such good friends to coddle them into infirmity. I think this is a case of your fearless leader trying to build us up to some imaginary "level" so she can knock us down and make herself feel better about the disasters you've left in your wake. Honestly if you're going to believe something ask yourself why you believe it. You can't knock us off any pedestal if we don't put ourselves there in the first place. We haven't. We're very humble in our service to God and Empire. We are what we are. We're PIE. We don't seek fame or legacy that's your bosses department. Keeps it simple that way. If the Empire thinks we're "worthless" they wouldn't be asking for our assistance time after time after time. Perhaps it's our humility and dedication to service that brings about that level of cooperation. Something to consider. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 13:17:00 - [268] Originally by: Archbishop I do recall though an "incident" in your own past where Star Fraction lost a few pilots for the very same reason.... and I recall the very different "conclusion" you came to in that case. YOU CAN'T HIDE FROM YOUR HISTORY You realise that the thread you linked too makes you look like a complete fool don't you? I stand by the comments I made there and one year on the Star Fraction has utterly crushed your corporation in the Throne Worlds and done all it set out to do. That mr hooded monk is called direction and leadership. Quite different from your quivering galnet splurge from while docked at a station a long long long way from the warzone. Star Fraction is recruiting
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.17 13:19:00 - [269] Quote: Nothing, absolutely nothing has been accomplished by your tired old organisation without massive support from other, stronger entities in recent times. You are broken and cannot do anything for yourselves. If you want to believe that go ahead. The news releases and the cooperation and messages between the Empire and PIE tell a different story but we'll let the general populous make their own decision. History will be the judge of what PIE is and isn't and thats fine with us. Of course history already seems to have decided about your alliance and it's long list of failures to accomplish anything ever. We're still waiting on that list of accomplishments. But it's nice to see you move from "you haven't done anything" to "you haven't done anything without help". Seems you've started to open your mind a bit. Thank you. But if you want to believe the rantings of your leadership feel free if it makes you feel "relevant" in comparison. We're fine with that too. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 13:20:00 - [270] Originally by: Archbishop Quote: I went into this campaign blind and disillusioned. I believed the crud that PIE propagated about itself, I believed they where a force to be reckoned with. But they are not. Jade Constantine knew this going into the war. This entire campaign is evidence to PIE's utter worthlessness. The corporation is a lie and the people still in it are as delusional to their own stake in the universe as they are to anyone elses around them. So let them make their insignificant contributions to battle with CVA. I think it's precious that they have such good friends to coddle them into infirmity. I think this is a case of your fearless leader trying to build us up to some imaginary "level" so she can knock us down and make herself feel better about the disasters you've left in your wake. Honestly if you're going to believe something ask yourself why you believe it. You can't knock us off any pedestal if we don't put ourselves there in the first place. We haven't. We're very humble in our service to God and Empire. We are what we are. We're PIE. We don't seek fame or legacy that's your bosses department. Keeps it simple that way. If the Empire thinks we're "worthless" they wouldn't be asking for our assistance time after time after time. Perhaps it's our humility and dedication to service that brings about that level of cooperation. Something to consider. Archbishop Once again you fail to understand. This was never about knocking you off a pedestal or building you up into anything but the pathetic excuse for a group you already are. You are right though, you are what you are in PIE, it is a pity you don't see that for what it truly is. You are damaged if you believe that any of this conflict was an effort to build or break anyone's ego. Our terms, our goals are widely published and it is something we back up time and again. Something which you cannot and will not ever do. Your time has passed.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.17 13:26:00 - [271] Quote: You realise that the thread you linked too makes you look like a complete fool don't you? I stand by the comments I made there and one year on the Star Fraction has utterly crushed your corporation in the Throne Worlds and done all it set out to do. That mr hooded monk is called direction and leadership. Quite different from your quivering galnet splurge from while docked at a station a long long long way from the warzone. I think it shows your a hypocrite saying Kostantin left PIE for a reason relating to you while in the past you've said quite the opposite about members leaving Star Fraction. I think it also shows from the language and arrogance of your leader that she is in denial about any "problems" with your reputation being her fault as she clearly blames it on everyone else. As for "utterly crushed" we seem to have a decent military presence in the warzone with our enemies the UshraKhan who are a formidable force and a true threat to our way of life. Don't worry if some mining corp declared war on PIE in Amarr and we didn't fight them I'm sure they'd be screaming "you fear us we destroyed you" because we're out expanding the influence of the Empire somewhere else so you're in good company. I hope you're enjoying the accomodations in Amarr... Although I heard you went down to R3 and 'camped' it for all of three minutes. I heard the locals then chased you off as CVA was out destroying a UK fleet. Seems those local residents have found the will to fight for themselves because of the stability provided by CVA in the Providence region..... Isn't that something you're supposed to be encouraging? Perhaps you could tell us where people have done that after you've left. After all looking at the pirates in Mito (including your allies the Black Rabbits) and the pirates in old CYI territory it seems you bring nothing to the locals as far as "free will" to do anything. CVA on the other hand delivered. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 13:26:00 - [272] Originally by: Archbishop Quote: Nothing, absolutely nothing has been accomplished by your tired old organisation without massive support from other, stronger entities in recent times. You are broken and cannot do anything for yourselves. If you want to believe that go ahead. The news releases and the cooperation and messages between the Empire and PIE tell a different story but we'll let the general populous make their own decision. History will be the judge of what PIE is and isn't and thats fine with us. Of course history already seems to have decided about your alliance and it's long list of failures to accomplish anything ever. We're still waiting on that list of accomplishments. But it's nice to see you move from "you haven't done anything" to "you haven't done anything without help". Seems you've started to open your mind a bit. Thank you. But if you want to believe the rantings of your leadership feel free if it makes you feel "relevant" in comparison. We're fine with that too. Archbishop You are an unfunny joke. I have not changed my statement or my words. I have maintained what I have said throughout and no infantile inferences that I have done such will change those facts. PIE is good at one thing, claiming the glories of those friends too stupid or kind to realise they are being used and abused. None of these events you so crow about where done by PIE and PIE alone. They couldn't be done by PIE and PIE alone for the very simple reason that you are infirm and worthless. People are slowly starting to realise this no matter what lies you cloak yourself in. You may also continue with the intimations that I am being lead by Jasmine, Jade, Cosmo, Devilish, or whoever else takes your fancy but I will tell you this straight, I am my own keeper and I yield to no-one I disagree with. I will forgive your ignorance on this just once though as I assume you're a produce to Amarrian Formal Education methods where honeyed words or rantings shovelled into your ears long enough render them true. Keep talking about history too, it is quaint and in a way pretty. I am a student of history but I do not live in the past. There is a difference there and one you would do well to learn for yourself. I will not hold my breath though. Your constant life of ignorance is a testament to your own stubborn, infantile way of life. Your future path is clear to me and it is the path of ruin.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 13:28:00 - [273] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 17/05/2007 13:26:17 Originally by: Archbishop If you want to believe that go ahead. The news releases and the cooperation and messages between the Empire and PIE tell a different story but we'll let the general populous make their own decision. History will be the judge of what PIE is and isn't and thats fine with us. Hilarious really. You and Rodj are like broken records.... "But but but we (+some other people) escorted an Imperial Apocalypse 3 years ago" "But but but we (ummm some guy that left) got a medal" "But but but we (+some other people with bigger ships than us) escorted a guy with a teleporting indy somewhere so a story could be written" Its not impressive. It really isn't. The thing about dining out on other people's glory is the meal doesn't last forever and your free lunch is over. Now comes time for the bill and you are coming up short. When you've been challenged to achieve something in space you have failed utterly. And simply recounting the same tired old nonsense about how you escorted a ship through secure space many years ago is getting old. You fail as a warrior, you fail as an industrialist, and you fail as a propagandist. Now I'm wondering if you can actually do anything? Star Fraction is recruiting
Kallanagh Tellen Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.17 13:31:00 - [274] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Kallanagh Tellen I would say that's pretty much game, set match for this arguement grins. But then a grovelling invertibrate like yourself would say "yes sir" if an Amarrian asked you clean his boots with your tongue so its hardly a surprise to see such sycophancy driping from your lips is it? You really are a simple creature, how much do you charge again?
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 13:32:00 - [275] Originally by: Archbishop I think it shows your a hypocrite saying Kostantin left PIE for a reason relating to you while in the past you've said quite the opposite about members leaving Star Fraction. I think its fairly clear that Kostantin left PIE because he is a warrior and your corporation is full of toothless frauds. Quote: As for "utterly crushed" we seem to have a decent military presence in the warzone with our enemies the UshraKhan who are a formidable force and a true threat to our way of life. One ship in the middle of 18 ship CVA gangs does not a "decent military presence" make. Quote: Although I heard you went down to R3 and 'camped' it for all of three minutes. I heard the locals then chased you off as CVA was out destroying a UK fleet. Seems those local residents have found the will to fight for themselves because of the stability provided by CVA in the Providence region..... We killed 14 battleships and lost 1. And completely routed all the CVA vassals that came against us. Seems your "hearing" is as unreliable as your "undock" button Star Fraction is recruiting
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.17 13:47:00 - [276] Edited by: Archbishop on 17/05/2007 13:45:26 We killed 14 battleships and lost 1. And completely routed all the CVA vassals that came against us. Seems your "hearing" is as unreliable as your "undock" button. In a previous battle yes due to lag-effects. Likewise you quickly left the area then when CVA didn't dock for an "hour at their leisure" due to sun spots (as you did in Amarr) but returned. I also noticed you didn't repudiate my observation about your visit to R3.... Nice job trying to deflect the conversation though against something so embarassing as having to admit the Amarrians have provided people the will to fight whereas the Star Fraction has utterly failed to and that is their prime directive. Honestly Jasmine if you think you're qualified to "bring the bill" to PIE you're vastly overrating yourself. We don't care about you. We care about the terrorists. Period. PIE is what it is. People can decide for themselves. You've already stated this is a smear campaign anyway so any "bill" you bring will be propaganda anyway and not fact. Personally I think your obsessed and need therapy. I recommended once before in a thread to someone else some fine mental health facilities that can provide inpatient treatment to the compulsive obsessive personality (like yourself). Your obsession to "win" at everything has been your undoing. Find some humility and find peace. Regarding our allies we have never claimed to be anything but loyalist Amarrians. Period. Some of our allies are very powerful and some are not. We don't think we are more than we are. We're very at peace with ourselves. If you want to accuse us of "dining out on someone elses bill" thats fine if it makes you feel better. As for PIE we fight for the Empire, if that makes us "warriors" fine if not who cares its just a word. I build ships and sell over 500 a week and build T2 items as well and have a substantial portfolio of BPOs and a very large wallet. Does that make me a "failure" as an industrialist? I really don't care as I'm happy and I can serve the Empire. I speak the truth about the humility of service and our motivations in PIE to give all for God and Empire and nothing else. Does that make us a propagandist? Nope just simple men of God. You certainly seem obsessed with titles. Warrior, Industrialist, Propagandist, Relevant, Threat...... You seem very insecure perhaps you should seek some therapy? Archbishop (Edit to fix spacing) PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.17 13:47:00 - [277] Well you know, the way you could silence PIE once and for all is to persue them into Providence and stop them from hiding under the wings of larger entities... and it'd give you a chance to take on those larger entities while you're at it. I think you should completely crush PIE (including its nullsec wing) and then expand your mandate to any such Amarrian paramilitary. You obviously have the ability to take on entities far larger than yourself, having fought AM, VV and CVA to a standstill. Shoot Archbishop for me.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.17 13:54:00 - [278] Edited by: Archbishop on 17/05/2007 13:52:45 Quote: Well you know, the way you could silence PIE once and for all is to persue them into Providence and stop them from hiding under the wings of larger entities... and it'd give you a chance to take on those larger entities while you're at it. I think you should completely crush PIE (including its nullsec wing) and then expand your mandate to any such Amarrian paramilitary. You obviously have the ability to take on entities far larger than yourself, having fought AM, VV and CVA to a standstill. Shoot Archbishop for me. A smart Gallente.... who would've thought! Quote: PIE is good at one thing, claiming the glories of those friends too stupid or kind to realise they are being used and abused. None of these events you so crow about where done by PIE and PIE alone. They couldn't be done by PIE and PIE alone for the very simple reason that you are infirm and worthless. People are slowly starting to realise this no matter what lies you cloak yourself in. I guess it boils down to we in PIE knowing our place and being comfortable with it. We're not the biggest or the smallest Amarrian loyalist corporation. We're not the richest or the poorest Amarrian loyalist corporation. We're just PIE. We're fine with that. We have no horn to blow. You do bring up one point though that is very relevant here in itself. We have allies. We have friends. We are part of the community of Amarrian loyalist corporations. We have been since our inception. How many alliances, regions of space, allies, friends has the Star Fraction had and lost in that time? How many alliances have you been run out of due to the arrogance of your leadership and the twisted words? How many allies have turned on your later on (like Intaki Union just recently)? Which community of free capsuleer pilots are you a part of? I myself see only you. I see you with no one. I've seen you in that past with pirates like the Black Rabbits but like they say you are known by the company you keep. When you fled Venal for example how many allies did you leave behind as your corporation fell apart and was battered into submission. Rest assured whatever happens PIE will never abandon the community of Amarrian loyalists. Its who we are. Its our only reason for service. War decs come and go but we're still a community of loyalists. I must depart now many planetside duties call. It has been enjoyable debating with you though it does seem the same old tired line from Star Fraction. I guess some things never change though. Have a nice day. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.17 13:57:00 - [279] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Well you know, the way you could silence PIE once and for all is to persue them into Providence and stop them from hiding under the wings of larger entities... and it'd give you a chance to take on those larger entities while you're at it. I think you should completely crush PIE (including its nullsec wing) and then expand your mandate to any such Amarrian paramilitary. You obviously have the ability to take on entities far larger than yourself, having fought AM, VV and CVA to a standstill. Shoot Archbishop for me. If Star Faction's version of events is true, then they should have no difficulty whatsoever in engaging the loyalists in Providence. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 14:01:00 - [280] Originally by: Archbishop Edited by: Archbishop on 17/05/2007 13:52:45 Quote: Well you know, the way you could silence PIE once and for all is to persue them into Providence and stop them from hiding under the wings of larger entities... and it'd give you a chance to take on those larger entities while you're at it. I think you should completely crush PIE (including its nullsec wing) and then expand your mandate to any such Amarrian paramilitary. You obviously have the ability to take on entities far larger than yourself, having fought AM, VV and CVA to a standstill. Shoot Archbishop for me. A smart Gallente.... who would've thought! Quote: PIE is good at one thing, claiming the glories of those friends too stupid or kind to realise they are being used and abused. None of these events you so crow about where done by PIE and PIE alone. They couldn't be done by PIE and PIE alone for the very simple reason that you are infirm and worthless. People are slowly starting to realise this no matter what lies you cloak yourself in. I guess it boils down to we in PIE knowing our place and being comfortable with it. We're not the biggest or the smallest Amarrian loyalist corporation. We're not the richest or the poorest Amarrian loyalist corporation. We're just PIE. We're fine with that. We have no horn to blow. You do bring up one point though that is very relevant here in itself. We have allies. We have friends. We are part of the community of Amarrian loyalist corporations. We have been since our inception. How many alliances, regions of space, allies, friends has the Star Fraction had and lost in that time? How many alliances have you been run out of due to the arrogance of your leadership and the twisted words? How many allies have turned on your later on (like Intaki Union just recently)? Which community of free capsuleer pilots are you a part of? I myself see only you. I see you with no one. I've seen you in that past with pirates like the Black Rabbits but like they say you are known by the company you keep. When you fled Venal for example how many allies did you leave behind as your corporation fell apart and was battered into submission. Rest assured whatever happens PIE will never abandon the community of Amarrian loyalists. Its who we are. Its our only reason for service. War decs come and go but we're still a community of loyalists. I must depart now many planetside duties call. It has been enjoyable debating with you though it does seem the same old tired line from Star Fraction. I guess some things never change though. Have a nice day. Archbishop When you stop crowing about the acheivements of others as if they where your own, I will stop pointing it out. I also find it humourous that a suspected pederast with obvious delusions of grandeur and possibly suffering from schizophrenic breaks seeks to council others on mental health issues.
CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2007.05.17 14:02:00 - [281] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger Originally by: CometQueen I do hate to be nit-picky but i seem to recall an image of Mr. Blake himself in an Archon, but i have no knowledge of a time stamp for such media. The implication was that he used it in Providence. I don't mean to be nit-picky, but thats pretty trusting of you isn't it? Rodj gets called out for lack of activity and some just happens to have a picture to hand of him in space? I'm sure the first thing I would think of when facing down that many enemies is to take of picture highlighting Rodj in space. In truth I saw no time stamp for the image, but taking a snap shot during conflict is not so difficult. I have done many, it is my bread and butter as a matter of fact. If I recall the image was of capital ships assaulting a star base and in my experience those conflicts are very long and very slow. Originally by: Sable Schroedinger ...actually from past experience I might quickly check to see if he was still with us, but thats another story. One I'll only tell if you're actually interested. I am always interested in further understanding. Please do elaborate Mr. Schroedinger. Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 14:04:00 - [282] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Well you know, the way you could silence PIE once and for all is to persue them into Providence and stop them from hiding under the wings of larger entities... and it'd give you a chance to take on those larger entities while you're at it. I think you should completely crush PIE (including its nullsec wing) and then expand your mandate to any such Amarrian paramilitary. You obviously have the ability to take on entities far larger than yourself, having fought AM, VV and CVA to a standstill. Shoot Archbishop for me. If Star Faction's version of events is true, then they should have no difficulty whatsoever in engaging the loyalists in Providence. Giving up your allies again Rodj? How many more of them have to die before you face us yourself? I am going to bet it will be until there is no-one else you can hide behind.
CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2007.05.17 14:07:00 - [283] Edited by: CometQueen on 17/05/2007 14:05:51 Originally by: Nekumi I also find it humourous that a suspected pederast with obvious delusions of grandeur and possibly suffering from schizophrenic breaks seeks to council others on mental health issues. oh now really, such insults are uncalled for. As a Devotee of God I find that singularly offensive when leveled at a priest of such renown. for decorum's sake I would respectfully ask that you not degrade this conversation. Conversation is always derailed by such unnecessary hostility Ms. Nekumi. Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 14:08:00 - [284] Originally by: CometQueen Originally by: Nekumi I also find it humourous that a suspected pederast with obvious delusions of grandeur and possibly suffering from schizophrenic breaks seeks to council others on mental health issues. oh now really, such insults are uncalled for. As a Devotee of God I find that singularly offensive when leveled at a priest of such renown. I would respectfully ask that you not degrade this conversation, for decorum sake. Conversation is always derails by such unnecessary hostility Ms. Nekumi. Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth Issues of mental health are always a delicate thing to discuss. I apologise if I have offended you but my statement stands.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.17 14:09:00 - [285] Originally by: Nekumi Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Well you know, the way you could silence PIE once and for all is to persue them into Providence and stop them from hiding under the wings of larger entities... and it'd give you a chance to take on those larger entities while you're at it. I think you should completely crush PIE (including its nullsec wing) and then expand your mandate to any such Amarrian paramilitary. You obviously have the ability to take on entities far larger than yourself, having fought AM, VV and CVA to a standstill. Shoot Archbishop for me. If Star Faction's version of events is true, then they should have no difficulty whatsoever in engaging the loyalists in Providence. Giving up your allies again Rodj? How many more of them have to die before you face us yourself? I am going to bet it will be until there is no-one else you can hide behind. I have no need nor desire to hide behind anyone. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 14:11:00 - [286] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Nekumi Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Well you know, the way you could silence PIE once and for all is to persue them into Providence and stop them from hiding under the wings of larger entities... and it'd give you a chance to take on those larger entities while you're at it. I think you should completely crush PIE (including its nullsec wing) and then expand your mandate to any such Amarrian paramilitary. You obviously have the ability to take on entities far larger than yourself, having fought AM, VV and CVA to a standstill. Shoot Archbishop for me. If Star Faction's version of events is true, then they should have no difficulty whatsoever in engaging the loyalists in Providence. Giving up your allies again Rodj? How many more of them have to die before you face us yourself? I am going to bet it will be until there is no-one else you can hide behind. I have no need nor desire to hide behind anyone. Your actions speak to the contrary.
CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2007.05.17 14:11:00 - [287] Originally by: Nekumi Originally by: CometQueen Originally by: Nekumi I also find it humourous that a suspected pederast with obvious delusions of grandeur and possibly suffering from schizophrenic breaks seeks to council others on mental health issues. oh now really, such insults are uncalled for. As a Devotee of God I find that singularly offensive when leveled at a priest of such renown. I would respectfully ask that you not degrade this conversation, for decorum sake. Conversation is always derails by such unnecessary hostility Ms. Nekumi. Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth Issues of mental health are always a delicate thing to discuss. I apologise if I have offended you but my statement stands. your statement is unnecessarily vicious, and I have nothing more to add to a conversation that has degraded to such a state. I will pray for your well being Ms. Nekumi. Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 14:15:00 - [288] ThatÆs quite the change of tune Achie. First you used the excuse of the lack of Navy involvement (or is that support?) to not engage us, now youÆre trying to deny that and are clinging to a new one. When the fact of the matter is, quite simply, you were very happy to engage us whilst you had CVA support in heavy numbers. However, when that didnÆt appear to work because we were, against all the odds, holding our own against you, and CVA could no longer spare the time to hold you hands and spare your blushes. You ran to Providence throwing curses and insults about ôrelevanceö behind you as you ran, like a child beaten who thinks heÆs too far away to be caught. As for ôour need to prove our relevanceö utter tosh! WeÆre just happy shooting down all your excuses and proving you to be cowards and liars. So, to address your latest excuses, you use the fact that youÆve hidden like dogs as proof that we havenÆt caused sufficient damage against you. One excuse feeding another, but the fact remains, you cower and hide and are no use to anyone. That you find us irrelevant especially in the face of another irrelevant yet not as irrelevant force as us, in the form of UÆK. If that was the case, explain to me: Why did AM war dec us to help defend you from such an irrelevant force? Why did VV war dec us to help defend you from such an irrelevant force? Why did CVA war dec us to help defend you from such an irrelevant force? Why did UI war dec us to help defend you from such an irrelevant force? Why did CAIN war dec us to help defend you from such an irrelevant force? You pulled out all the stops to crush us, and when you found yourselves being beaten back you fled. Your poisonous pride will not allow you to admit that you have been beaten like dogs and forced to flee under the skirts of the CVA, who, themselves hide behind their hapless meat shield vassals. So, instead, you vomit forth excuses of ôirrelevanceö and ômore important tasksö whilst not even pulling your weight amongst your erstwhile saviours. Even now, you trip over your past litany of excuses and lies in order to fend off the truth, and with each lie told you damn yourself in Gods eyes and prove to all around the falsehood of your faith. YouÆre a failure, a liar and only the most foolish will ever listen to a word you spew again. I think it fair to say, between yourself and Rodj, you have hammered the final nail in the coffin of the last shred of respect PIE could have clung to with your blatant and clumsy lies. PIE may not be dead, but neither is terminally damaged corpse hooked up to a life support machine. -------------------------------------------- Join Now
Danno Rogues	Posted - 2007.05.17 14:19:00 - [289] Originally by: Archbishop You can't knock us off any pedestal if we don't put ourselves there in the first place. We haven't. We're very humble in our service to God and Empire. We are what we are. We're PIE. We don't seek fame or legacy that's your bosses department. Keeps it simple that way. If the Empire thinks we're "worthless" they wouldn't be asking for our assistance time after time after time. Perhaps it's our humility and dedication to service that brings about that level of cooperation. Something to consider. Archbishop [/quote I think years of pontificating and self validating would qualify as putting yourselves on a pedastal, yourself being a driver of that said behaviour. As for asking your assistance time after time, you just happen to "be there", the established people for that task, routine and accepted, not something to measure your "worth/worthlessness" upon. After considering... YEARS of behaviour and your/PIE's actions from the outset of this conflict (irrespective of SF's conduct) is a prime motivator of what defines your organisation and other parties will's to oppose or destroy it. (political/racial affiliations aside).
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.17 14:20:00 - [290] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 17/05/2007 14:20:19 Originally by: Nekumi Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Nekumi Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Well you know, the way you could silence PIE once and for all is to persue them into Providence and stop them from hiding under the wings of larger entities... and it'd give you a chance to take on those larger entities while you're at it. I think you should completely crush PIE (including its nullsec wing) and then expand your mandate to any such Amarrian paramilitary. You obviously have the ability to take on entities far larger than yourself, having fought AM, VV and CVA to a standstill. Shoot Archbishop for me. If Star Faction's version of events is true, then they should have no difficulty whatsoever in engaging the loyalists in Providence. Giving up your allies again Rodj? How many more of them have to die before you face us yourself? I am going to bet it will be until there is no-one else you can hide behind. I have no need nor desire to hide behind anyone. Your actions speak to the contrary. Are these the actions that resulted in me being amongst the top five combat pilots (in terms of total kills and assists) currently in PIE? Are these actions that have resulted in me unfortunately losing more pods than the average pilot (including two pods to the SF in the current conflict)? Or are these the actions that have seen me take a full and active part in the current assault on the UNITY outpost? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 14:25:00 - [291] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 17/05/2007 14:26:05 Originally by: Archbishop I also noticed you didn't repudiate my observation about your visit to R3.... Nice job trying to deflect the conversation though against something so embarassing as having to admit the Amarrians have provided people the will to fight whereas the Star Fraction has utterly failed to and that is their prime directive. I was actually talking about R3/Misaba this weekend, that is where our 14-1 thrashing of the CVA suckteats occured. Unlike you I don't need to conjure stories from the dim and distant past to present a brave face. Or maybe you meant last night? When again we destroyed 7 enemy battleships, a command cruiser, and a whole clutch of battlecruisers and support craft for minimal friendly losses on the R3/Misba pipe? Quote: As for PIE we fight for the Empire, if that makes us "warriors" fine if not who cares its just a word. I build ships and sell over 500 a week and build T2 items as well and have a substantial portfolio of BPOs and a very large wallet. Does that make me a "failure" as an industrialist? The fact you spend your time complaining about people undercutting your prices and arguing for concord to institute a controlled monopoly to protect your "competitiveness" makes you a failure as an industrialist. As I imagine does the fact that the Star Fraciton sells as many tech2 ships per week as you sell tech1. As I imagine does the fact that our tech2 roster makes yours look a pitiful joke. If you spent more time investing and taking market risk rather than complaining about being "undercut" by recent academy graduates you might have made your business slightly more successful than your military capability but as a result you have failed there as you have in open space. My point "archbishop" is that you are as bad at business as you are at combat as you are at propaganda. Yet still you come to each and everyone one of these war-diaries and try to argue that the sky is not blue and space is not black and PIE haven't been trashed into an embarassing and utterly humiliating retreat. Star Fraction is recruiting
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 14:29:00 - [292] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 17/05/2007 14:20:19 Originally by: Nekumi Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Nekumi Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Well you know, the way you could silence PIE once and for all is to persue them into Providence and stop them from hiding under the wings of larger entities... and it'd give you a chance to take on those larger entities while you're at it. I think you should completely crush PIE (including its nullsec wing) and then expand your mandate to any such Amarrian paramilitary. You obviously have the ability to take on entities far larger than yourself, having fought AM, VV and CVA to a standstill. Shoot Archbishop for me. If Star Faction's version of events is true, then they should have no difficulty whatsoever in engaging the loyalists in Providence. Giving up your allies again Rodj? How many more of them have to die before you face us yourself? I am going to bet it will be until there is no-one else you can hide behind. I have no need nor desire to hide behind anyone. Your actions speak to the contrary. Are these the actions that resulted in me being amongst the top five combat pilots (in terms of total kills and assists) currently in PIE? Are these actions that have resulted in me unfortunately losing more pods than the average pilot (including two pods to the SF in the current conflict)? Or are these the actions that have seen me take a full and active part in the current assault on the UNITY outpost? Top Five in PIE? That's hardly a laudable thing now that Konstantin Mort has left your ranks. Losing more pods than the average pilot? Again I'll refer you to the statment above. Your activity in the assault on UNITY is to be commended however. It must take a great strength of will to be a representitive of PIE among so many of your allies and still feel that your contribution is worth anything more than that of the twenty or thirty of your friends and allies.

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Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 14:34:00 - [294] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Well you know, the way you could silence PIE once and for all is to persue them into Providence and stop them from hiding under the wings of larger entities... and it'd give you a chance to take on those larger entities while you're at it. I think you should completely crush PIE (including its nullsec wing) and then expand your mandate to any such Amarrian paramilitary. You obviously have the ability to take on entities far larger than yourself, having fought AM, VV and CVA to a standstill. Shoot Archbishop for me. Sadly Andreus I think you are giving them too much credit. As I have pointed out elsewhere on this thread PIE active numbers generally fail to exceed 3 on a daily basis. We are aware of one PIE battleship pilot who flies with CVA gangs. Another PIE assault frigate pilot who lurks near r3, and a number of shuttlemonkeys that flit about the hinterlands once in a blue moon. Archbishop himself on his own admission rarely undocks. The reality here is that PIE has served its role as the Judas Goat and is now at the end of its operational life. We know whatever reverses might afflict this shell entity now they will never admit defeat or cease their galnet ranting so the sensible option for us is to concentrate on other contagion vectors on the Amarrian borderlands and shift the focus of our campaign. PIE is done. We have yet to make a formal announcement but will in the next few days make notification of our next targets amongst the Amarrian bloc and future evolution of the campaign hereafter. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 14:44:00 - [295] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 17/05/2007 14:42:52 Originally by: CometQueen oh now really, such insults are uncalled for. As a Devotee of God I find that singularly offensive when leveled at a priest of such renown. for decorum's sake I would respectfully ask that you not degrade this conversation. For the sake of honesty it is worth pointing out that Archbishop has previously on these forums publicised his intention to keep slaves of all ages (adults and children) in small 2m by 2m box cells and subject them to periods of brainwashing, sleep deprivation and forced activity to break their minds and spirit. I will leave the reader to their own conclusions as to just what manner of "renown" such a priest attracts for engaging in the torture of Matari children in this way. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 15:12:00 - [296] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger ThatÆs quite the change of tune Achie. First you used the excuse of the lack of Navy involvement (or is that support?) to not engage us, now youÆre trying to deny that and are clinging to a new one. When the fact of the matter is, quite simply, you were very happy to engage us whilst you had CVA support in heavy numbers. However, when that didnÆt appear to work because we were, against all the odds, holding our own against you, and CVA could no longer spare the time to hold you hands and spare your blushes. You ran to Providence throwing curses and insults about ôrelevanceö behind you as you ran, like a child beaten who thinks heÆs too far away to be caught. As for ôour need to prove our relevanceö utter tosh! WeÆre just happy shooting down all your excuses and proving you to be cowards and liars. So, to address your latest excuses, you use the fact that youÆve hidden like dogs as proof that we havenÆt caused sufficient damage against you. One excuse feeding another, but the fact remains, you cower and hide and are no use to anyone. That you find us irrelevant especially in the face of another irrelevant yet not as irrelevant force as us, in the form of UÆK. If that was the case, explain to me: Why did AM war dec us to help defend you from such an irrelevant force? Why did VV war dec us to help defend you from such an irrelevant force? Why did CVA war dec us to help defend you from such an irrelevant force? Why did UI war dec us to help defend you from such an irrelevant force? Why did CAIN war dec us to help defend you from such an irrelevant force? You pulled out all the stops to crush us, and when you found yourselves being beaten back you fled. Your poisonous pride will not allow you to admit that you have been beaten like dogs and forced to flee under the skirts of the CVA, who, themselves hide behind their hapless meat shield vassals. So, instead, you vomit forth excuses of ôirrelevanceö and ômore important tasksö whilst not even pulling your weight amongst your erstwhile saviours. Even now, you trip over your past litany of excuses and lies in order to fend off the truth, and with each lie told you damn yourself in Gods eyes and prove to all around the falsehood of your faith. YouÆre a failure, a liar and only the most foolish will ever listen to a word you spew again. I think it fair to say, between yourself and Rodj, you have hammered the final nail in the coffin of the last shred of respect PIE could have clung to with your blatant and clumsy lies. PIE may not be dead, but neither is terminally damaged corpse hooked up to a life support machine. Well Sable. I think you just wrote the epitath for PIE there. Bravo! Couldn't say that better myself. Star Fraction is recruiting
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.17 15:24:00 - [297] Incidentally, Jasmine, I'd like to discuss something. Talk to me on a secure channel.
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.17 15:51:00 - [298] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Well Sable. I think you just wrote the epitath for PIE there. Bravo! Couldn't say that better myself. Continue to delude yourselves. PIE's future is as bright as its past. ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.05.17 16:15:00 - [299] Edited by: Devilish Ledoux on 17/05/2007 16:14:55 Originally by: Rodj Blake While I think of it, how's Devilish getting on in Eve University? I'm doing well. Pursuing advanced degrees in Electromagnetic Physics, Electronic Engineering, Hydromagnetic Physics, Laser Physics, Mechanical Engineering, Caldari and Minmatar Starship Engineering, Molecular Engineering, Nuclear Physics, Plasma Physics, Quantum Physics, Rocket Science and Art during a war keeps me much busier than opposing PIE ever did. You know what amuses me, Rodj? Your amazing aptitude for assumption. You assumed that my leaving Star Fraction had anything to do with the campaign against you and yours. You assumed that my leaving has any effect on the combat worthiness of Star Fraction. You assumed that bringing up the fact that I'm not currently flying under Star Fraction colors is on par with the defection of Captain Konstantin Mort to Omerta Syndicate. I know that you made these assumptions because I know that you didn't bother to ask any of the questions. Point of fact, the only member of PIE who actually contacted me to ask for the reason behind my departure was Konstantin Mort, who is no longer a member of PIE. I assume that this is just a coincidence. Now, if you'd care to continue this in more a more diplomatic manner, you know where to find me. _
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.17 17:06:00 - [300] Originally by: Devilish Ledoux Edited by: Devilish Ledoux on 17/05/2007 16:14:55 Originally by: Rodj Blake While I think of it, how's Devilish getting on in Eve University? I'm doing well. Pursuing advanced degrees in Electromagnetic Physics, Electronic Engineering, Hydromagnetic Physics, Laser Physics, Mechanical Engineering, Caldari and Minmatar Starship Engineering, Molecular Engineering, Nuclear Physics, Plasma Physics, Quantum Physics, Rocket Science and Art during a war keeps me much busier than opposing PIE ever did. You know what amuses me, Rodj? Your amazing aptitude for assumption. You assumed that my leaving Star Fraction had anything to do with the campaign against you and yours. You assumed that my leaving has any effect on the combat worthiness of Star Fraction. You assumed that bringing up the fact that I'm not currently flying under Star Fraction colors is on par with the defection of Captain Konstantin Mort to Omerta Syndicate. I know that you made these assumptions because I know that you didn't bother to ask any of the questions. Point of fact, the only member of PIE who actually contacted me to ask for the reason behind my departure was Konstantin Mort, who is no longer a member of PIE. I assume that this is just a coincidence. Now, if you'd care to continue this in more a more diplomatic manner, you know where to find me. I was actually assuming that your departure had nothing to do with our conflict with your former alliance, which is why I hadn't mentioned it until after SF representatives continually implied that Capt. Mort's departure was somehow connected with the SF/PIE war. Thank you for pointing out that when someone leaves a corporation it isn't necessarily due to the actions of those that wish that corporation harm. I hope that your former colleagues will take note. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 17:39:00 - [301] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Devilish Ledoux Edited by: Devilish Ledoux on 17/05/2007 16:14:55 Originally by: Rodj Blake While I think of it, how's Devilish getting on in Eve University? I'm doing well. Pursuing advanced degrees in Electromagnetic Physics, Electronic Engineering, Hydromagnetic Physics, Laser Physics, Mechanical Engineering, Caldari and Minmatar Starship Engineering, Molecular Engineering, Nuclear Physics, Plasma Physics, Quantum Physics, Rocket Science and Art during a war keeps me much busier than opposing PIE ever did. You know what amuses me, Rodj? Your amazing aptitude for assumption. You assumed that my leaving Star Fraction had anything to do with the campaign against you and yours. You assumed that my leaving has any effect on the combat worthiness of Star Fraction. You assumed that bringing up the fact that I'm not currently flying under Star Fraction colors is on par with the defection of Captain Konstantin Mort to Omerta Syndicate. I know that you made these assumptions because I know that you didn't bother to ask any of the questions. Point of fact, the only member of PIE who actually contacted me to ask for the reason behind my departure was Konstantin Mort, who is no longer a member of PIE. I assume that this is just a coincidence. Now, if you'd care to continue this in more a more diplomatic manner, you know where to find me. I was actually assuming that your departure had nothing to do with our conflict with your former alliance, which is why I hadn't mentioned it until after SF representatives continually implied that Capt. Mort's departure was somehow connected with the SF/PIE war. Thank you for pointing out that when someone leaves a corporation it isn't necessarily due to the actions of those that wish that corporation harm. I hope that your former colleagues will take note. There you go assuming again Rodj. As I stated plainly before, Konstantin Mort's departure means nothing more than PIE have lost their best pilot. His decision to leave is his own and has no bearing on anything here, his decision to join Omerta Syndicate means nothing and has no bearing on anything here. The only implication that was made with regard to Konstantin Mort's departure is that apparently PIE's only worthwhile combatant has left the theatre of operations. I personally wish the man well in his future endeavours and think he made the right decision to leave your worthless corporation.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.17 17:44:00 - [302] For someone who's departure means nothing, you lot sure do go on about it a lot. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 17:52:00 - [303] Originally by: Rodj Blake For someone who's departure means nothing, you lot sure do go on about it a lot. Reread my post you pedantic old fart and tell me where I said his departure meant nothing. To imply otherwise is to impune the man. His reasons are his own and have no bearing, his departure however, far from it.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.17 18:38:00 - [304] Perhaps we should all stop talking about Captain Mort before you blow a gasket. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Kovid Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 03:27:00 - [305] Edited by: Kovid on 18/05/2007 03:27:55 Edited by: Kovid on 18/05/2007 03:26:01 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Sable Schroedinger That you find us irrelevant especially in the face of another irrelevant yet not as irrelevant force as us, in the form of UÆK. If that was the case, explain to me: Why did AM war dec us to help defend you from such an irrelevant force? Why did VV war dec us to help defend you from such an irrelevant force? Why did CVA war dec us to help defend you from such an irrelevant force? Why did UI war dec us to help defend you from such an irrelevant force? Why did CAIN war dec us to help defend you from such an irrelevant force? You pulled out all the stops to crush us, and when you found yourselves being beaten back you fled. Your poisonous pride will not allow you to admit that you have been beaten like dogs and forced to flee under the skirts of the CVA, who, themselves hide behind their hapless meat shield vassals. So, instead, you vomit forth excuses of ôirrelevanceö and ômore important tasksö whilst not even pulling your weight amongst your erstwhile saviours. Even now, you trip over your past litany of excuses and lies in order to fend off the truth, and with each lie told you damn yourself in Gods eyes and prove to all around the falsehood of your faith. YouÆre a failure, a liar and only the most foolish will ever listen to a word you spew again. Well Sable. I think you just wrote the epitaph for PIE there. Bravo! Couldn't say that better myself. Jasmine was right. It was a telling summation. I bolded and underlined the section of note because it is a telling point for the exhaustive irrelevance subject. Now the fact the Sable has said it doesn't depart the fact, that people in the Amarrian bloc use this line for political dogma, even though the Amarrian empire acts in contradiction. The line of U'K is irrelevant derives from the fact they are to be reclaimed, obviously everyone knows that. But then so is everyone not Amarrian. Newsflash, I know. My point is some of the bloc say supposedly that the Republic does not exist and can not be recognized. Sound familiar? The Republic is irrelevant. That space and the people are ours! Surprise surprise! Who started this line of thinking? Was it people in the empire or PIE? Surely the arrogance of the Amarr was there already. Paramilitaries just used the "irrelevance" quote as justification and simultaneous excuse for everything. Question is how many times have they used it in the past? Revan and her Bloodveil? I can't say I payed much attention to the Amarrian bloc to know their habits to tell if it's a new excuse or old. Whatever it is, it's old, and repeated ad nausuem to cover up .... well anything. And it seems the latest new excuse is proclaiming people who point out their deficiencies like Jasmine and the whole of SF and Revan as attention *****s. Their counter is PIE is what is is. And comments like, "we serve." But can't say yes we are relevant when directly asked. Why? Because Rodj and some others have played word games, laced questions, and selectively quoted, ... again ad nauseum looking for parts to reuse later for accusations as if dressing up a scene intentionally incorrect. Freecaptains will always be there to correct you no matter how annoying you are and how incorrect. Eloquent speakers like The Cosmopolite will no doubt continue his brilliant papers. Jasmine is as ferocious on here as she is in space. All PIE has is [SERMONS], refuting of enemies, and their hopeless championing of the obsolescent Amarrian empire. You can deceive yourself if you really believe your words. But more and more will see through your deceit. Even people like the ceo of Rho Dynamics, an Amarr, have seen through it all. ---------------------------------- An informal Star Fraction FAQ \| ----------------------------------
The Recordkeeper Caldari Keepers of Knowledge	Posted - 2007.05.18 05:04:00 - [306] This appears to have been a very bitter conflict and we would appreciate the pilots of The Star Fraction sending our library staff a record of your operations and successes as requested in our other thread. We are in the process of assembling an IG database by which pod pilots can obtain information about all of the entities listed. We hope you grant our request and honor us with your record. The Recordkeeper
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 07:18:00 - [307] I must admit to getting increasingly confused. What is it that is so incomprehensible to Star Fraction? That we make an assessment of the importance of our enemies and deal with them accordingly? That we think U'K to be a far greater threat than Star Fraction? That we refuse to throw away our year long campaigns in Providence to pursue a 6 week war with Star Fraction? That we find reclaiming the remaining U'K outpost in Providence a more tempting objective than trying to evict Star Fraction from a system where they have been granted docking rights by the Empire? Let me ask you all these simple questions: If we are showing double standards in going for our enemies one by one, what did Star Fraction express when they, at the beginning of this war singled out PIE as their first enemy and didn't throw wardecs against VV, AM and CVA at the same time? If it is a double standard that we think U'K to be a greater threat than Star Fraction, then how can Star Fraction claim that to them PIE is irrelevant and a "spent" force? If we must abandon our campaigns in Providence to fight Star Fraction in Amarr, then why does Star Fraction not come running to Providence when called for by CVA? If we have no right to question Star Fractions right and ability to create their own objectives then who are they to question ours? I think the answer to these questions is rather simple: The Amarr block has made the incredible offense of not thinking of Star Fraction as the most important entity in this galaxy. This has certainly bruised the ego's of some Star Fraction pilots. Hence we are in for a neverending stream of smack, innuendo and baseless accusations - led of course by Little Jasmine Constantine on her private vendetta of smack. I respect many Star Fraction pilots among other things for acknowledging the points I've made above. For the others, perhaps you should start listening more to such reasonable people as certainly reside in Star Fraction rather than believeing the gall continously spewed forth by Little Jasmine? I first posted this question a long time ago at the beginning of this war: If you expect others to respect your right to fight whomever you want in whatever way you desire, should you not extend that same courtesy to others? Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 08:33:00 - [308] By the way, thank you to all you regressive pigdogs who are helping to keep this article in the headlines of GalNet. Perhaps someone curious as to what's going on in Domain will read this and see you for the childish worms you are, maybe I'm being too optimistic though.
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 09:24:00 - [309] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus I must admit to getting increasingly confused. What is it that is so incomprehensible to Star Fraction? That we make an assessment of the importance of our enemies and deal with them accordingly? That we think U'K to be a far greater threat than Star Fraction? That we refuse to throw away our year long campaigns in Providence to pursue a 6 week war with Star Fraction? That we find reclaiming the remaining U'K outpost in Providence a more tempting objective than trying to evict Star Fraction from a system where they have been granted docking rights by the Empire? Let me ask you all these simple questions: If we are showing double standards in going for our enemies one by one, what did Star Fraction express when they, at the beginning of this war singled out PIE as their first enemy and didn't throw wardecs against VV, AM and CVA at the same time? If it is a double standard that we think U'K to be a greater threat than Star Fraction, then how can Star Fraction claim that to them PIE is irrelevant and a "spent" force? If we must abandon our campaigns in Providence to fight Star Fraction in Amarr, then why does Star Fraction not come running to Providence when called for by CVA? If we have no right to question Star Fractions right and ability to create their own objectives then who are they to question ours? I think the answer to these questions is rather simple: The Amarr block has made the incredible offense of not thinking of Star Fraction as the most important entity in this galaxy. This has certainly bruised the ego's of some Star Fraction pilots. Hence we are in for a neverending stream of smack, innuendo and baseless accusations - led of course by Little Jasmine Constantine on her private vendetta of smack. I respect many Star Fraction pilots among other things for acknowledging the points I've made above. For the others, perhaps you should start listening more to such reasonable people as certainly reside in Star Fraction rather than believeing the gall continously spewed forth by Little Jasmine? I first posted this question a long time ago at the beginning of this war: If you expect others to respect your right to fight whomever you want in whatever way you desire, should you not extend that same courtesy to others? Every single thing you are rehashing has been asked and answered already, once again and once more you continue to bring up something that has been concisely answered. You guys are like a broken holoreel stuck on a loop, completely ignorant of anything that is going on around you. This is not about our ego, this is not about your ego. This is about coming to the realisation that you are a spent force. You are nothing. You hide under the skirts of people who achieve things in the name of Amarr and you claim their victories as your own. You are a parasite, nothing more, nothing less. Continue trying to frame an argument to better suit yourself Octavinus, you are as ineffectual here on galnet as you are in space.
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 09:42:00 - [310] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus I must admit to getting increasingly confused. What is it that is so incomprehensible to Star Fraction? That we make an assessment of the importance of our enemies and deal with them accordingly? That we think U'K to be a far greater threat than Star Fraction? That we refuse to throw away our year long campaigns in Providence to pursue a 6 week war with Star Fraction? That we find reclaiming the remaining U'K outpost in Providence a more tempting objective than trying to evict Star Fraction from a system where they have been granted docking rights by the Empire? Let me ask you all these simple questions: If we are showing double standards in going for our enemies one by one, what did Star Fraction express when they, at the beginning of this war singled out PIE as their first enemy and didn't throw wardecs against VV, AM and CVA at the same time? If it is a double standard that we think U'K to be a greater threat than Star Fraction, then how can Star Fraction claim that to them PIE is irrelevant and a "spent" force? If we must abandon our campaigns in Providence to fight Star Fraction in Amarr, then why does Star Fraction not come running to Providence when called for by CVA? If we have no right to question Star Fractions right and ability to create their own objectives then who are they to question ours? I think the answer to these questions is rather simple: The Amarr block has made the incredible offense of not thinking of Star Fraction as the most important entity in this galaxy. This has certainly bruised the ego's of some Star Fraction pilots. Hence we are in for a neverending stream of smack, innuendo and baseless accusations - led of course by Little Jasmine Constantine on her private vendetta of smack. I respect many Star Fraction pilots among other things for acknowledging the points I've made above. For the others, perhaps you should start listening more to such reasonable people as certainly reside in Star Fraction rather than believeing the gall continously spewed forth by Little Jasmine? The problem is, that isn't what was being said from the outset, nor did it reflect what was being said. Instead, excuses and lies were thrown around, and THAT is what we've objected to. Originally by: Octavinus Augustus I first posted this question a long time ago at the beginning of this war: If you expect others to respect your right to fight whomever you want in whatever way you desire, should you not extend that same courtesy to others? We most certainly respect others rights to fight whomever they desire - its a core tenant of the SF ROE. We do not share standings nor do we fight someone just because we are told to do so - we likewise extend the same to others. Now, sadly, due to being somewhat cynical, I expect this comment will led to a rather ropey line of logic that claims we should not fight you or should not be surprised when we are (in PIE's words) ignored by you. Again, if that was the truth, I'm sure we would accept it. But it isn't, quite blatantly. The truth of the matter is, we are sickened by the constant stream of lies spewed forth by your colleagues. Lies we have time and again exposed only to watch them wriggle till they can settle into a new set of lies. Rodj and Archbishop have shown nothing but dishonour, cowardice, hypocrisy and lies whilst constantly trying to accuse others of those traits. Its sickening, offensive, puerile and flies in the face of every human trait we collectively admire. We came to the throne worlds to fight the root of the disease that is imperialist thinking amongst the capsuleer caste. Instead of a titanic ideological battle, we found a rotting, diseased parasite willing to say or do anything to save face whilst living off the actions of those around them. PIE is a disease, just one far more pitiful that the one we came here to fight and one far more dangerous to its allies than it is to the c -------------------------------------------- Join Now
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 09:57:00 - [311] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 18/05/2007 09:57:42 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 18/05/2007 09:55:30 Originally by: Sable Schroedinger The problem is, that isn't what was being said from the outset, nor did it reflect what was happening in space. Instead, excuses and lies were thrown around, and THAT is what we've objected to. It also important to note, this war started before the main push for Unity and the lies predate that by some margin. You are correct that you declared war on us before the assault on 9UY began. However, you neglected to mention that PIE's priority at that time was ensuring the safety of Brother Joshua and those individuals associated with his investigation. You may recall that Brother Joshua's work in the Kor-Azor region was completed despite your declaration of war on us. Once Brother Joshua had passed judgement on Articio Kor-Azor, we started preparing for the current Providence campaign. Our analysis was and continues to be that Brother Joshua's investigation and the ongoing threat posed by the U'K are both more important issues than the actions of the Star Fraction. Sable, I won't respond to the rest of your statement owing to the insulting tone in which it was presented. If you wish to see a response from me on those issues, I suggest you rephrase them in less insulting tones. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.18 11:10:00 - [312] Originally by: Rodj Blake You are correct that you declared war on us before the assault on 9UY began. However, you neglected to mention that PIE's priority at that time was ensuring the safety of Brother Joshua and those individuals associated with his investigation. You may recall that Brother Joshua's work in the Kor-Azor region was completed despite your declaration of war on us. Once Brother Joshua had passed judgement on Articio Kor-Azor, we started preparing for the current Providence campaign. Our analysis was and continues to be that Brother Joshua's investigation and the ongoing threat posed by the U'K are both more important issues than the actions of the Star Fraction. Sable, I won't respond to the rest of your statement owing to the insulting tone in which it was presented. If you wish to see a response from me on those issues, I suggest you rephrase them in less insulting tones. So you assisted in the investigation and presumably the subsequent dismemberment of one of the Heirs. And what, pray tell, has this done for the Empire, other than lose it one functional Heir? I've never been a fan of your hoplessly antiquated form of government, but even I can see that it works better when you have an Heir that does not rely on machines to prevent his bodily functions from ceasing instantly. Where were you, pray tell, when U'K and its allies destroyed the CVA capital shipyards with nearly no loss to show for it?
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 11:17:00 - [313] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 18/05/2007 11:16:08 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Where were you, pray tell, when U'K and its allies destroyed the CVA capital shipyards with nearly no loss to show for it? I was accompanying elements of the CVA fleet when the U'K destroyed the least valuable structure in the X-R3 system. I later assisted in the destruction of the structure that the U'K put up in its place. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 12:19:00 - [314] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 18/05/2007 11:16:08 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Where were you, pray tell, when U'K and its allies destroyed the CVA capital shipyards with nearly no loss to show for it? I was accompanying elements of the CVA fleet when the U'K destroyed the least valuable structure in the X-R3 system. I later assisted in the destruction of the structure that the U'K put up in its place. He means ... "I was hiding in a POS" (then when the bulk of the enemies left and IAC arrived to help) "left the pos and helped shoot another POS". And lets be fair, it was the bulk of PIE's role in the "great providence war" so give him his due. Star Fraction is recruiting
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 12:24:00 - [315] It seems Ms Nekumi has decided to believe the propaganda of Little Jasmine Constantine rather than the voices of reason that yet exist in the Star Fraction. That we are incapable of operation and consequently must have abandoned Brother Joshua to his fate (which apparently was to clone jump from a starship in space leaving his passengers behind, who incidentally weren't there at all - all according to Little Jasmine). That we are cowards who run and hide from fighting (that we have decided to hide in the middle of a 0.0 warzone merely prove that we are not very intelligent cowards by the look of it). That our space fleet have mysteriously self imploded leaving us a "spent force" sometime after the wardec of Star Fraction - where they assumed us to be capable enemies (instead of assuming the obvious - that we have decided not to deploy it against Star Fraction). I guess it's easier for Ms Nekumi to believe this than it is to believe that we have chosen to prioritize other targets above Star Fraction. I guess the notion of Star Fraction not being all-important is simply unbearable for some. It is still worth to note however, that all is not lost. I do believe that several Star Fraction pilots has admitted to the operations regarding Brother Joshua was an Amarrian success and others have implicitly acknowledged that the policy in this war is a priority choice rather than anything else. I'll leave this topic for now and instead move on to comment on the thoughts of Mr Schroedinger - that looks to be a discussion of some real value after all. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 12:31:00 - [316] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus I must admit to getting increasingly confused. Sadly Octavinus that is your own fault. Being in a corporation that claims to "defend the empire" and "fight for Amarrian supremacy" and then fails to fight at every turn and runs away from the tiniest threat (even those termed "irrelevant" by your leadership) must be a very confusing matter indeed. It must be hard to face immediate annhilation in space in the throne worlds from those you consider beneath your notice, it must be terrible to see your forces scattered and morale broken and the golden fleet reduced to galnet posting. Confusing times indeed. But lets stop with the fiction that you actually doing anything in providence shall we? You aren't. We've patrolled providence from top to bottom, from left to right, from Unity to Inflatable house and you aren't doing anything substantive there whatsoever either. You have a guy in an assault frigate that rats in R3. You have Rodj in his carrier that assigns fighters from inside a POS shield once a week. You have a battleship pilot that flies inside 18 man CVA gangs occassionally. But thats it. If these lonely three souls are the great PIE contribution to the anti Ushra'khan landgrab CVA are making then your corporation is every bit the diminished and broken remnant we say it is. You are less relevant to the CVA interests in providence that the merest lowsec vassal corp is - you have no significant forces and are making no impact. This fact alone demonstrates that your retreat from throne worlds was nothing whatsoever with wanting to play a part in this "great war" and simply an excuse to avoid getting humiliated by us directly in Amarr night after night after night. Pushed from pillar to post. Driven from every sanctuary and living like hobos in somebody else's POS. Three pilots do not a corporation make and PIE today is a pathetic remnant of what it was before. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 12:37:00 - [317] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 18/05/2007 12:36:12 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine You have Rodj in his carrier that assigns fighters from inside a POS shield once a week. That comment perfectly sums up your knowledge of the current Providence conflict. As for your oft-repeated comment that we only have three active pilots, simply laughable. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 12:37:00 - [318] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus It seems Ms Nekumi has decided to believe the propaganda of Little Jasmine Constantine rather than the voices of reason that yet exist in the Star Fraction. That we are incapable of operation and consequently must have abandoned Brother Joshua to his fate (which apparently was to clone jump from a starship in space leaving his passengers behind, who incidentally weren't there at all - all according to Little Jasmine). That we are cowards who run and hide from fighting (that we have decided to hide in the middle of a 0.0 warzone merely prove that we are not very intelligent cowards by the look of it). That our space fleet have mysteriously self imploded leaving us a "spent force" sometime after the wardec of Star Fraction - where they assumed us to be capable enemies (instead of assuming the obvious - that we have decided not to deploy it against Star Fraction). I guess it's easier for Ms Nekumi to believe this than it is to believe that we have chosen to prioritize other targets above Star Fraction. I guess the notion of Star Fraction not being all-important is simply unbearable for some. It is still worth to note however, that all is not lost. I do believe that several Star Fraction pilots has admitted to the operations regarding Brother Joshua was an Amarrian success and others have implicitly acknowledged that the policy in this war is a priority choice rather than anything else. I'll leave this topic for now and instead move on to comment on the thoughts of Mr Schroedinger - that looks to be a discussion of some real value after all. Considering I've been on the field and witnessed your craveness in actuality I find it amusing that you assume I am falling for any propaganda whatsoever but then again it's easier to assume I am some idiotic slave to someone else than to accept that the things I say are based on events I have witnessed directly. Once again you try to bring up that pathetic whine that Star Fraction only sought to break your organisation for it's own self-importance and once again I'll remind you that this is simply not the case. Your mindset is warped if you believe that we think at all alike. Now next to Brother Joshua and the Amarrian block escort. I have not mentioned it before despite your implication to the contrary. The circumstances around Joshua's mysterious relocation are unimportant to me personally. He got where he was going and yes that is a victory. It is however a good point to raise because it once again highlights your glorious ability to claim the victory of something that was achieved by a host of Amarrian organisations. On the backs of others you ride tall Octavinus. Keep up the crowing, it is all you have left and has been for a time now.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 12:43:00 - [319] I know we're fine with letting history decide. Are you Star Fraction also willing to let history decide or do you intend to sit here and continue screaming hoping people believe you? Either way when the next successful mission for the Empire is completed and PIE again is in the news as having served I imagine you'll be no where to be found. Don't worry.... we won't bring this up then.... after all reputation takes years to build and as stated we'll just let history decide where we fall into the chain of galactic events. How about you? Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:01:00 - [320] Originally by: Archbishop I know we're fine with letting history decide. Are you Star Fraction also willing to let history decide or do you intend to sit here and continue screaming hoping people believe you? Either way when the next successful mission for the Empire is completed and PIE again is in the news as having served I imagine you'll be no where to be found. Don't worry.... we won't bring this up then.... after all reputation takes years to build and as stated we'll just let history decide where we fall into the chain of galactic events. How about you? Archbishop Your addled words confuse me Archbishop, you say this like you or Star Fraction has a choice. Or is this the lead in for when you finally emerge from beneath CVA skirts on another daring escapade involving core stabilised, cloaking transport ships. As to the tone of any of my replies, I can assure you my voice has not been raised in anger or worry a single time but continue to live with that delusion too.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:11:00 - [321] Originally by: Rodj Blake That comment perfectly sums up your knowledge of the current Providence conflict. As for your oft-repeated comment that we only have three active pilots, simply laughable. Truth hurts doesn't it ? Star Fraction is recruiting
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:14:00 - [322] Edited by: Octavinus Augustus on 18/05/2007 13:11:59 Crap - IGS "ate" my post. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:14:00 - [323] When Devilish left SF your best pilot left and he left because he was so sick of the egocentrical and incomptent leadership of the blabbering Constaspins! Truth because I say it? Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:22:00 - [324] Originally by: Tharrn When Devilish left SF your best pilot left and he left because he was so sick of the egocentrical and incomptent leadership of the blabbering Constaspins! Truth because I say it? I do chuckle at what you have become Tharrn, I really do Star Fraction is recruiting
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:24:00 - [325] Originally by: Tharrn When Devilish left SF your best pilot left and he left because he was so sick of the egocentrical and incomptent leadership of the blabbering Constaspins! Truth because I say it? I miss Devilish and he did leave and he is a good pilot. That's about all you got right.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:24:00 - [326] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake That comment perfectly sums up your knowledge of the current Providence conflict. As for your oft-repeated comment that we only have three active pilots, simply laughable. Truth hurts doesn't it ? The comment that I was referring to was the one that you made regarding me sitting behind a starbase forcefield and assigning fighters. Clearly, neither you nor any of your associates have seen me do this, as I have not done such a thing in the current campaign. The fact of the matter is that it's another one of your made-up assertions, along with the one that we struggle to have more than three pilots active at any one time. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:27:00 - [327] Quote: The fact of the matter is that it's another one of your made-up assertions, along with the one that we struggle to have more than three pilots active at any one time. It is what they do Rodj. Scream and scream and scream and hope some part of it "sticks" with the people who read it. It's kind of like throwing gunk at a wall where you hope some of it sticks while the rest runs off to the ground. The nice thing to note though is the wall was clean when it was first thrown. It can be cleaned again. People can look at the gunk but they see it for what it is.... and they see who threw it.... and they remember it is a clean wall after all. It doesn't stick. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:33:00 - [328] Originally by: Archbishop Quote: The fact of the matter is that it's another one of your made-up assertions, along with the one that we struggle to have more than three pilots active at any one time. It is what they do Rodj. Scream and scream and scream and hope some part of it "sticks" with the people who read it. It's kind of like throwing gunk at a wall where you hope some of it sticks while the rest runs off to the ground. The nice thing to note though is the wall was clean when it was first thrown. It can be cleaned again. People can look at the gunk but they see it for what it is.... and they see who threw it.... and they remember it is a clean wall after all. It doesn't stick. Archbishop There is no wall any more Archbishop, it fell down a long time ago. The only gunk near you is the gunk that has slowly gathered between your legs and now covers you.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:40:00 - [329] Originally by: Nekumi Originally by: Tharrn When Devilish left SF your best pilot left and he left because he was so sick of the egocentrical and incomptent leadership of the blabbering Constaspins! Truth because I say it? I miss Devilish and he did leave and he is a good pilot. That's about all you got right. See, the same is true for the pilots that recently left PIE and VV, which Jasmine tried to spin into some sort of forum 'victory'. That was the point. We don't crow every time one of your members leaves, point fingers and yell 'See, see! They are falling apart! The leadership is failing!'. It's would be a pretty dumb assumption anyways, but those are Constaspin's specialty after all. Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:45:00 - [330] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger It also important to note, this war started before the main push for Unity and the lies predate that by some margin. I disagree for one main reason: The providence campaign has been waged for well over a year and the current assault on 9UY is just the most recent operation in that campaign. Furthermore we have known it was coming for quite some time and spent our time preparing for it. Originally by: Sable Schroedinger Now, sadly, due to being somewhat cynical, I expect this comment will led to a rather ropey line of logic that claims we should not fight you or should not be surprised when we are (in PIE's words) ignored by you. I think you'll find that I and the remainder of the Amarr block may well question your policies but not your right to make them. There is a clear distinction between the two. Originally by: Sable Schroedinger The truth of the matter is, we are sickened by the constant stream of lies spewed forth by your colleagues. Lies we have time and again exposed only to watch them wriggle till they can settle into a new set of lies. Rodj and Archbishop have shown nothing but dishonour, cowardice, hypocrisy and lies whilst constantly trying to accuse others of those traits. Its sickening, offensive, puerile and flies in the face of every human trait we collectively admire. PIE and the rest of the Amarr Block has been able to wage many wars for a long time without them degrading into smack campaigns. In fact the only two that has done so (during my time as a capsuleer) are this one and the one surrounding Revan Neferis last year. Even in that war many of Revan's mercenaries remained on cordial terms with the Amarr block. Now how is this war different? There is one person who went into this war with the express purpose of smearing PIE's reputation - rather than our ability to fight. There is one person who has worked tirelessly to do just that. The vast majority of the smack concerning this war stems from the SF "war diaries". Try reading those diaries and think "How would I react if someone posted this way regarding me". You will find, I believe, that most of the smack has started right there - with Amarr pilots getting angry with the baseless accusations and innuendo of those diaries, replying in an angry state and when you read their posts you have then replied in kind. You speak also of lies. Most lies (on both sides) can be defended as differing interpretations of various situations. So let us stick top the factual lies. I can easily point you to several of those being repeated over and over again: That of PIE being unable to show more than 3 people online at a time. That of PIE being unable to enter Amarr when we so desire. Etc. I know both Rodj Blake and Archbishop well. They're upstanding people and far from the smackartists you make them out to be (as evidenced by the long yet honorable war PIE has waged upon U'K). Yet they are zealots for their cause and if someone waves a red flag in front of them, they will answer the challenge in kind. They may both from time to time lack the ability to see when the discussions have seized to hold any point - but that can be said of a lot of us. I realize that this statement may be viewed as disloyal to my own organisation, but I guess I'm willing to take any consequences. I believe one pilot has consistently been waving flags here on IGS since day one of this war. I believe that person is more or less singlehandedly responsible for the current state of the debate here on IGS. I believe that person has singlehandedly dragged us all through the mud. That is the one person involved in this war for whom I hold nothing but contempt. You should be able to guess of whom I speak. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:52:00 - [331] Originally by: Tharrn Originally by: Nekumi Originally by: Tharrn When Devilish left SF your best pilot left and he left because he was so sick of the egocentrical and incomptent leadership of the blabbering Constaspins! Truth because I say it? I miss Devilish and he did leave and he is a good pilot. That's about all you got right. See, the same is true for the pilots that recently left PIE and VV, which Jasmine tried to spin into some sort of forum 'victory'. That was the point. We don't crow every time one of your members leaves, point fingers and yell 'See, see! They are falling apart! The leadership is failing!'. It's would be a pretty dumb assumption anyways, but those are Constaspin's specialty after all. No you don't see at all. The Star Fraction has many good pilots, no offence to Devilish but I'm sure he'd agree. PIE however, does not and it lost one the day Konstantin left whatever his reason. That is not spin no matter how much you want it to be.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 14:01:00 - [332] Originally by: Nekumi No you don't see at all. The Star Fraction has many good pilots, no offence to Devilish but I'm sure he'd agree. PIE however, does not and it lost one the day Konstantin left whatever his reason. That is not spin no matter how much you want it to be. You realize that you are in fact supporting my "bruised ego's" point from earlier on? A pilot can not be good if he does not engage Star Fraction and Ms Nekumi when given the opportunity - it's impossible. Consequently PIE has no good pilots. Have you considered that maybe you're not in a position to make statements on the topic as you have yet to engage us? I don't really know why I bother to post this - it's quite clear that you're indifferent to reason. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.18 14:12:00 - [333] If PIE lead such a busy life of abundant activity, how come all of its members are always here within a few seconds to refute posts? I don't think it's just because Rodj, Gaven and Archie hate the fact that I'm always right and cannot, physically, resist replying to my posts because they're spineless puppets.
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 14:14:00 - [334] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus Originally by: Nekumi No you don't see at all. The Star Fraction has many good pilots, no offence to Devilish but I'm sure he'd agree. PIE however, does not and it lost one the day Konstantin left whatever his reason. That is not spin no matter how much you want it to be. You realize that you are in fact supporting my "bruised ego's" point from earlier on? A pilot can not be good if he does not engage Star Fraction and Ms Nekumi when given the opportunity - it's impossible. Consequently PIE has no good pilots. Have you considered that maybe you're not in a position to make statements on the topic as you have yet to engage us? I don't really know why I bother to post this - it's quite clear that you're indifferent to reason. Your trite equivocations are the height of indifference to reason, Octavinus.
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar	Posted - 2007.05.18 14:34:00 - [335] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris If PIE lead such a busy life of abundant activity, how come all of its members are always here within a few seconds to refute posts? I don't think it's just because Rodj, Gaven and Archie hate the fact that I'm always right and cannot, physically, resist replying to my posts because they're spineless puppets. pot, kettle, black. you ain't doing SF any favors by arguing on their side Andreus, guilt by association and all that. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 14:44:00 - [336] Problem is the PIE posters here really don't have anything to do in space. That is exactly why they are so quick and keen to tell their lies on Galnet. Compare and contrast with the Aegis Militia pilots who have been fighting in space and we don't see them coming here to embarrass themselves every week claiming they have some "grand combat" in providence as an excuse for their incompetance and cowardice. I'm really sorry to shatter your illusions about these people Tomahawk but PIE really is the lowest of the low. I have more respect 100x over for Kimotoro Directive and Nikolai Nuvolari than I have for PIE and Archbishop. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 14:46:00 - [337] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 18/05/2007 14:44:19 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Problem is the PIE posters here really don't have anything to do in space. That is exactly why they are so quick and keen to tell their lies on Galnet. If you want to talk about lies on Galnet, let's talk about your assertion my main contribution to the 9UY campaign has been sitting inside a control tower forcefield whilst assigning fighters when such a thing is impossible, shall we? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 14:51:00 - [338] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus The vast majority of the smack concerning this war stems from the SF "war diaries". Try reading those diaries and think "How would I react if someone posted this way regarding me". You will find, I believe, that most of the smack has started right there - with Amarr pilots getting angry with the baseless accusations and innuendo of those diaries, replying in an angry state and when you read their posts you have then replied in kind. The war diaries are all based on what is actually happening in space. In six weeks no Amarrian bloc pilot has been able to dispute a single claimed kill or accuse me of neglecting to mention one of our defeats. What enrages you most Octavinus is that I am writing the simple truth about this campaign and yes, I am shattering many illusions and myths that surrounded the PIE name before we came to fight you. People used to believe in the "golden fleet". People used to believe that PIE had military forces worth a damn. People used to believe that PIE could actually do something in space. Those illusions are falling by the wayside now and you have nobody to blame for this but yourself. And as to your question in the opening paragraph I quote its null. Null because Star Fraction is an organisation with self respect and courage and we'd disband and go our separate ways before behaving as you have in this war. IF we were an organisation of dockmonkeys and cowards too terrified to contest the campaign in space we wouldn't have the bare-faced gall to keep posting on galnet and trying to argue against the people who have clearly proved to be our betters in space. But of course we beat you. The onus is on you to have some humility and admit defeat. That you cannot do - hence the bad tempered trolling that attends each war diary and subsequent nail in the coffin of your reputation. You are doing this to yourselves. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 14:53:00 - [339] Originally by: Rodj Blake If you want to talk about lies on Galnet, let's talk about your assertion that my main contribution to the 9UY campaign has been sitting inside a control tower forcefield whilst assigning fighters when such a thing is impossible, shall we? Didn't used to be impossible though did it. Maybe that explains your diminished participation? Star Fraction is recruiting
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 15:01:00 - [340] Jasmine, you forgot to turn the transcranial off before posting. Again. ----------------------------------------------
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 15:04:00 - [341] Originally by: Gaius Kador Jasmine, you forgot to turn the transcranial off before posting. Again. I find it hilarious that more PIE pilots have posted on the last page of this thread than have undocked in a week Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 15:07:00 - [342] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 18/05/2007 14:56:22 Originally by: Rodj Blake If you want to talk about lies on Galnet, let's talk about your assertion that my main contribution to the 9UY campaign has been sitting inside a control tower forcefield whilst assigning fighters when such a thing is impossible, shall we? Wasn't always "impossible" though was it. Maybe that explains your diminished participation? Requiring your ships to actually sit 10 meters outside POS shields must have come as a terrible shock to the system And yet you were unaware of the different shield harmonics now used by control towers. What your claim tells the world is that you have made an assertion without any knowledge of the facts. You claimed that my sole contribution to the campaign had been made from behind starbase forcefields when you were ignorant of the fact that such a thing is impossible. Therefore we can conclude that your assertion was not based on any actual evidence. In other words, you made it up. A neutral observer might be tempted to ask themselves "What other claims by Jasmine Constantine have been made up?" Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.18 15:09:00 - [343] You are running out of 'funny lines' - you repeat them all over, which doesn't make them any more believable. All those PIE pilots I have been flying with must have been phantoms after all. Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 15:14:00 - [344] Originally by: Tharrn You are running out of 'funny lines' - you repeat them all over, which doesn't make them any more believable. All those PIE pilots I have been flying with must have been phantoms after all. Judging on your own participation in the war you declared on the Star Fraction you'd pardon me for dismissing your personal witness account of matters in space entirely. Since you spent the majority of the VV vs SF docked I think you are only a credible witness for counting similar dockees and as such entirely prove my point. Star Fraction is recruiting
KhanJohn Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.18 15:17:00 - [345] Although i do know means agree with slaver scum one thing i do know from past experiance is that Rodj Blake is an honourable man and an honourable combatant many months ago he agreed a ceasefire to allow wounded men out of a system even though he surely took repercussions from PIE's high command that shows a man of respect and courage and honour Though i like Star Fraction and Jade herself as friends and allys i feel after reading this that both parties should withdraw from the summit and take this into a private channel as this has now become a personal vendetta and an attack on mr Blakes character and even if he is my enemy and he calls me traitor i still respect his good name he is not a coward and i have fought gracefully against his fleets and his command many times and recently i have seen him firing steadily on my comrades in the lands of providence. I personally invite star fraction not to engage in the ongoing POS war but to bring its fist down to providence if it seeks retribution against the CVA and pie if you believe in stopping the spread of the CVA then help us down here to defeat them then we can deal with the Amarran home systems later...one step at a time ~Transmission Ends~ (my personal opinion do not represent those of my corporation or my alliance)
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 15:24:00 - [346] Originally by: KhanJohn I personally invite star fraction not to engage in the ongoing POS war but to bring its fist down to providence if it seeks retribution against the CVA and pie if you believe in stopping the spread of the CVA then help us down here to defeat them then we can deal with the Amarran home systems later...one step at a time Your opinions of Rodj Blake's character aside (on which we are going to agree to disagree) you will see from our public combat records that we are engaged against the CVA and their vassals in lower domain and Providence at the moment and are contesting the entire Amarrian bloc night after night. Still that said, I personally wish you and your organisation the best of luck against the CVA/IAC/Slyph fleets and fortune willing we'll both enjoy our fill of slaughtered CVA fleet assets in the months to come. Star Fraction is recruiting
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.18 15:59:00 - [347] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Judging on your own participation in the war you declared on the Star Fraction you'd pardon me for dismissing your personal witness account of matters in space entirely. Since you spent the majority of the VV vs SF docked I think you are only a credible witness for counting similar dockees and as such entirely prove my point. You seem to have some hidden fascination with that 'you are all docked! Docked! Docked I tell you!' thing. As a matter of fact I was just active away from Amarr. And as you never left your trench in Amarr (you don't dock up - you spend 'hours at your leisure', I know) we must thus have sadly missed each other most of the time. You should really work on your problem with having to be the center of the universe. The fact remains that I fly with lots of PIE pilots on a daily basis. It is not our fault that you apparently don't dare to operate in that area but are content with camping Kheram and shooting the neutrals you actually don't shoot at nowadays. Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 16:20:00 - [348] Originally by: Tharrn Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Judging on your own participation in the war you declared on the Star Fraction you'd pardon me for dismissing your personal witness account of matters in space entirely. Since you spent the majority of the VV vs SF docked I think you are only a credible witness for counting similar dockees and as such entirely prove my point. You seem to have some hidden fascination with that 'you are all docked! Docked! Docked I tell you!' thing. As a matter of fact I was just active away from Amarr. And as you never left your trench in Amarr (you don't dock up - you spend 'hours at your leisure', I know) we must thus have sadly missed each other most of the time. You should really work on your problem with having to be the center of the universe. The fact remains that I fly with lots of PIE pilots on a daily basis. It is not our fault that you apparently don't dare to operate in that area but are content with camping Kheram and shooting the neutrals you actually don't shoot at nowadays. Just in case you weren't aware, Vigilia Valeria declared war on us (albeit briefly).
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 16:23:00 - [349] Now, Mr Schroedinger, I think it is safe to assume that we all know the name of the despicable person I was referring to in my post above. Without ever mentioning her name that is. Read this post, asking yourself how you would react to anyone posting this way about you. Originally by: Jasmine Constantine The war diaries are all based on what is actually happening in space. In six weeks no Amarrian bloc pilot has been able to dispute a single claimed kill or accuse me of neglecting to mention one of our defeats. What enrages you most Octavinus is that I am writing the simple truth about this campaign and yes, I am shattering many illusions and myths that surrounded the PIE name before we came to fight you. People used to believe in the "golden fleet". People used to believe that PIE had military forces worth a damn. People used to believe that PIE could actually do something in space. Those illusions are falling by the wayside now and you have nobody to blame for this but yourself. And as to your question in the opening paragraph I quote its null. Null because Star Fraction is an organisation with self respect and courage and we'd disband and go our separate ways before behaving as you have in this war. IF we were an organisation of dockmonkeys and cowards too terrified to contest the campaign in space we wouldn't have the bare-faced gall to keep posting on galnet and trying to argue against the people who have clearly proved to be our betters in space. But of course we beat you. The onus is on you to have some humility and admit defeat. That you cannot do - hence the bad tempered trolling that attends each war diary and subsequent nail in the coffin of your reputation. You are doing this to yourselves. What we are dealing with here is this: A person who has publicly stated her purpose is to smear the reputation of PIE - not to fight us or anything else. A person who will present her own views as the unquestionable truth (The war diaries are all based on what is actually happening in space...). A person who will deliberately misinterpret a message if it is not to her liking (my objections were always to the tone in those diaries, never the kill/losses - I feel those are irrelevant and Little Jasmine knows this). A person who speaks of that which she knows absolutely nothing about (what enrages you most Octavinus....). A person who will tell factual lies without a blink (Rodj sending fighters from the protection of a POS, PIE being unable to field more than 3 pilots per day etc, etc, etc). A person who will throw wild accusations against anyone anytime (just read the post quoted: Dockmonkeys, cowards, implying we have neither self-respect or courage). A person who will deny facts if they are not to her liking (Brother Joshua clone jumped from a spaceship in space, he never had any passengers, he never arrived at Kor-Azor etc). And the list goes on and on and on and...... I am sure that if you think of this for just a little while Mr Schroedinger, you'll certainly see my position in this vendetta of smack. I'm not asking that you make any public statements on this topic - merely that you ask yourself if you can agree that there is some reasoning behind my thinking. You don't even have to agree with it, all that I ask is that you try to understand it. My one true regret is this: As people react based on their perceptions of events and behaviour and as SF is perceived to be a united entity, the behaviour of Little Jasmine Constantine will "rubb off" on other pilots of your organisation. Thus I fear people such as yourself, Mr Cosmopolite and Razor Jaxx (and many others) will find it hard to come by the respect that you undoubtedly deserve. That makes me sad. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 16:42:00 - [350] Edited by: Merdaneth on 18/05/2007 16:41:44 Brother Augustus, Your intentions are noble, your words are wise, your demeanor just, your patience long. My respect for you has grown. I think that those able and willing to comprehend your message have done so. As for that are unwilling, I think only thing we can really do for them is to pray for the salvation of their immortal souls. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 16:55:00 - [351] Originally by: Tharrn It is not our fault that you apparently don't dare to operate in that area but are content with camping Kheram and shooting the neutrals you actually don't shoot at nowadays. Which neutrals are you claiming have we shot? Proof please or be revealed as a liar (again). Star Fraction is recruiting
Bacchanalian Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 17:41:00 - [352] Originally by: Tharrn Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Judging on your own participation in the war you declared on the Star Fraction you'd pardon me for dismissing your personal witness account of matters in space entirely. Since you spent the majority of the VV vs SF docked I think you are only a credible witness for counting similar dockees and as such entirely prove my point. You seem to have some hidden fascination with that 'you are all docked! Docked! Docked I tell you!' thing. As a matter of fact I was just active away from Amarr. And as you never left your trench in Amarr (you don't dock up - you spend 'hours at your leisure', I know) we must thus have sadly missed each other most of the time. You should really work on your problem with having to be the center of the universe. The fact remains that I fly with lots of PIE pilots on a daily basis. It is not our fault that you apparently don't dare to operate in that area but are content with camping Kheram and shooting the neutrals you actually don't shoot at nowadays. I recall your "participation" quite well from the time I spent camping your system while you fled about from safespot to safespot in an interceptor. Star Fraction is recruiting, join the revolution!
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.19 11:16:00 - [353] Originally by: Bacchanalian I recall your "participation" quite well from the time I spent camping your system while you fled about from safespot to safespot in an interceptor. You should make your lies less obvious - it must have been a year since I flew an Interceptor. Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.19 11:19:00 - [354] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Which neutrals are you claiming have we shot? Proof please or be revealed as a liar (again). If you ask allies and enemies alike you'll find that one of us has a reputation of being straightforward but honest and one has a four year record of lieing, spinning and backstabbing friends. I am sure you can't (or don't want) to figure out who's who. Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Razor Jaxx Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 11:49:00 - [355] Originally by: Tharrn Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Which neutrals are you claiming have we shot? Proof please or be revealed as a liar (again). If you ask allies and enemies alike you'll find that one of us has a reputation of being straightforward but honest and one has a four year record of lieing, spinning and backstabbing friends. I am sure you can't (or don't want) to figure out who's who. Nice way to side-step the question. Please pray tell, who are these neutrals you claim we have shot?
Razor Jaxx Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 12:45:00 - [356] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus ... I am sure that if you think of this for just a little while Mr Schroedinger, you'll certainly see my position in this vendetta of smack. I'm not asking that you make any public statements on this topic - merely that you ask yourself if you can agree that there is some reasoning behind my thinking. You don't even have to agree with it, all that I ask is that you try to understand it. My one true regret is this: As people react based on their perceptions of events and behaviour and as SF is perceived to be a united entity, the behaviour of Little Jasmine Constantine will "rubb off" on other pilots of your organisation. Thus I fear people such as yourself, Mr Cosmopolite and Razor Jaxx (and many others) will find it hard to come by the respect that you undoubtedly deserve. That makes me sad. Let there be no misunderstanding here, Mr Augustus - I fully stand by Ms Constantine in this debate. While we are encouraged to formulate and express personal opinions, SF is and remains a united entity, as we demonstrate in space, again and again and again. Space is the only place where we seek and earn our 'respect' (OOC : I actually have little to no use for respect in a game, but that is another subject entirely). Jasmine makes some very solid points in her post. Mostly she reiterates the disappointment I've myself expressed earlier. It is certainly your right to choose not to fight us. We gave you an opportunity to dispatch us in space, and you chose not to seize it, but whatever your reasons were, they were your reasons, not ours, so you shouldn't expect sympathy or acknowledgment from us. As Jasmine said, we would either rise to the challenge or admit defeat. Make no mistake either, given the opportunity, we would rather humiliate PIE in space than on GalNet - nothing pejorative here, read humiliation as in 'to make one humble'. This shouldn't come as a surprise considering the unequivocal arrogance displayed by some of your brethren. Certainly we display arrogance of our own, by the way, and you are very welcome to come teach us a bit of humility in space. As for the war diaries, they are an accurate description of the conflict from SF's perspective. We have not tried to obfuscate engagements that did not go our way. We have relied on accurate statistical evidence at all times. Certainly some parts of the diaries must be an unpleasant read from your perspective, but consider that it is your inaction that allowed us to report things this way. We give credit where credit is due. Aegis Militia, for instance, which did not shy from engagements, is consistently treated with all the 'respect' they deserve, and rightly so. Such is also the case for Captain Mort. To sum it all up, we do not have to worry about this 'vendetta of smack' being posted about us, because we would have settled things in space, where they belong. Again I have to agree with Jasmine, you are doing this to yourselves.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.19 13:01:00 - [357] We are simply here to serve God and Empire as we have done for over four years. We are happy to let history decide our place in it and we are grateful for the many messages of support received via private communications in relation to this smear campaign from even people who consider us mortal enemies in space. I know I've appreciated the comments and messages and have had a few good laughs. While for PIE it has been "business as usual" during this war people have seen for the Star Fraction it's also been "business as usual" as they've conducted themselves as the have since their inception and thus have only reinforced their reuptation.... and no one is really surprised. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 13:14:00 - [358] Originally by: Tharrn Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Which neutrals are you claiming have we shot? Proof please or be revealed as a liar (again). If you ask allies and enemies alike you'll find that one of us has a reputation of being straightforward but honest and one has a four year record of lieing, spinning and backstabbing friends. I am sure you can't (or don't want) to figure out who's who. Your reputation is absolutely terrible Tharrn. You are a proven coward and galnet liar. You come here with ridiculous accusations that you cannot support with documentary evidence and a war record comprising utter defeat and expect to be taken seriously? This is bathos in its purest form. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 13:15:00 - [359] Originally by: Archbishop ... we are grateful for the many messages of support received via private communications in relation to this smear campaign from even people who consider us mortal enemies in space. I know I've appreciated the comments and messages and have had a few good laughs. Comedy gold! Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.19 16:06:00 - [360] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Tharrn It is not our fault that you apparently don't dare to operate in that area but are content with camping Kheram and shooting the neutrals you actually don't shoot at nowadays. Which neutrals are you claiming have we shot? Proof please or be revealed as a liar (again). If we're talking about people being revealed as liars, what about your claim regarding the deployment style of PIE fighters later shown to be impossible, and what about your claim regarding PIE struggling to find more than three active members at a time? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 16:26:00 - [361] Originally by: Rodj Blake If we're talking about people being revealed as liars, what about your claim regarding the deployment style of PIE fighters later shown to be impossible, and what about your claim regarding PIE struggling to find more than three active members at a time? It was perfectly possible to deploy fighters through a POS shield when you employed this tactic earlier in the providence wars Rodj. You know it. You did it. Its the height of disingenius nonsense for you to now say the technique is "impossible" and to disavow all knowledge. And as for your active numbers I repeat my assessment. You struggle to find three pilots. Now, perhaps your friend would like to tell everyone which neutral ship we are supposed to have attacked? I think there should be records showing the deed if he is not a liar. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.19 16:46:00 - [362] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake If we're talking about people being revealed as liars, what about your claim regarding the deployment style of PIE fighters later shown to be impossible, and what about your claim regarding PIE struggling to find more than three active members at a time? It was perfectly possible to deploy fighters through a POS shield when you employed this tactic earlier in the providence wars Rodj. You know it. You did it. Its the height of disingenius nonsense for you to now say the technique is "impossible" and to disavow all knowledge. And as for your active numbers I repeat my assessment. You struggle to find three pilots. You claimed that I was assigning my fighters from behind a control tower forcefield in this campaign, not the last one. What does this tell us? It tells us that you are someone who makes claims without first checking their facts. How many other claims have you made without checking your facts? As for us struggling to find three members, I took this picture earlier today. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 16:54:00 - [363] Originally by: Rodj Blake As for us struggling to find three members, I took this picture earlier today. Bravo, I'm glad you were able to dragoon them in for the task Rodj. Nice to know they are able to answer the call for galnet publicity but a bit of a shame they can't muster against their war enemies when it mattered ... Still the fact remains, you struggle to get three active. Star Fraction is recruiting
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.19 17:01:00 - [364] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 19/05/2007 16:55:22 Originally by: Rodj Blake As for us struggling to find three members, I took this picture earlier today. Bravo, I'm glad you were able to dragoon out 8 bold PIE people for the parade Rodj (4 of whom we never saw in combat I note). As the Star Fraction declared war would it not have made it their task to hunt down these PIE members? Only further proof of how little effect you have had. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.19 17:10:00 - [365] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 19/05/2007 17:07:59 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake As for us struggling to find three members, I took this picture earlier today. Bravo, I'm glad you were able to dragoon them in for the task Rodj. Nice to know they are able to answer the call for galnet publicity but a bit of a shame they can't muster against their war enemies when it mattered ... Still the fact remains, you struggle to get three active. I can assure you that no dragooning was necessary. That's about our normal activity level, and it was about the normal level before you declared war on us as well. I suppose that in the circumstances it's just as well that I took pictures yesterday and the day before as well, isn't it? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 18:42:00 - [366] Originally by: Rodj Blake I can assure you that no dragooning was necessary. That's about our normal activity level, and it was about the normal level before you declared war on us as well. You think that a person prepared to fake up one picture of alliance "activity" would not be prepared to fake up two or three now? How stupid do you think people are Rodj? You are so desperate to win an argument - any argument, that I would put absolutely nothing past you. Pathetic really, yet the fact remains. You struggle to put three people into space and you are currently averaging one active pilot at any one time flying amongst large CVA gangs and claiming space on their coat-tails. Still, you are no longer relevant to us Rodj. Run along and enjoy your exile Star Fraction is recruiting
Bacchanalian Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 18:47:00 - [367] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 19/05/2007 17:07:59 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake As for us struggling to find three members, I took this picture earlier today. Bravo, I'm glad you were able to dragoon them in for the task Rodj. Nice to know they are able to answer the call for galnet publicity but a bit of a shame they can't muster against their war enemies when it mattered ... Still the fact remains, you struggle to get three active. I can assure you that no dragooning was necessary. That's about our normal activity level, and it was about the normal level before you declared war on us as well. I suppose that in the circumstances it's just as well that I took pictures yesterday and the day before as well, isn't it? Ahh, there's the PIE I know! Docked up in the safety of a station! The "mighty" Golden Fleet where it belongs, indoors. Star Fraction is recruiting, join the revolution!
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.19 19:05:00 - [368] Quote: Nice to know they are able to answer the call for galnet publicity but a bit of a shame they can't muster against their war enemies when it mattered Possibly because you are an enemy who doesn't matter? We managed to escort a Speaker of Truth, deploy carriers to Providence, participate in the defense of CVA space and in the attacks on terrorist facilities, I managed to personally establish two bases (offices) down there stocked with ships and war goods as well as gave several free sermons to the populace and fought in two engagements against Minmatar terrorists with several other PIE pilots. Then again this is all business as usual and after all nothing changed in the way we operate. We did all this...... ...while you had us cowering in stations... ....oh wait I mean had us running far away from our Empire... ....oh wait I mean while we were hiding behind POS shields... ....oh wait I mean while we were being slaughtered in Providence... ....oh wait I mean while we were doding you in interceptors... ....oh wait I mean........ ....Oh my I can't keep all your stories straight! Where's my notetaking slave?!?! Anyway.... I guess the fact we did all of this right under your noses while you did all of those things you claimed to do to us leads me to one conclusion. You didn't accomplish much of anything after all. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.19 19:13:00 - [369] Quote: You think that a person prepared to fake up one picture of alliance "activity" would not be prepared to fake up two or three now? How stupid do you think people are Rodj? I'm sure anyone could copy/save those pictures and examine them close up with amarr photoshop software or another process and determine their authenticity. Perhaps an independent here would do so thus to assure the Paraniod Fraction that it isn't some conspiracy of hate and is an actual image. I already have with several advanced software applications (rather my slave did while I supervised) and I can attest they are genuine but I know how they feel about me so I would gladly welcome outside independent review. It's actually easy to tell a doctored image close up due to people using inferior Minmatar editing software. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 19:25:00 - [370] Originally by: Archbishop Quote: You think that a person prepared to fake up one picture of alliance "activity" would not be prepared to fake up two or three now? How stupid do you think people are Rodj? I'm sure anyone could copy/save those pictures and examine them close up with amarr photoshop software or another process and determine their authenticity. Perhaps an independent here would do so thus to assure the Paraniod Fraction that it isn't some conspiracy of hate and is an actual image. I already have with several advanced software applications (rather my slave did while I supervised) and I can attest they are genuine but I know how they feel about me so I would gladly welcome outside independent review. It's actually easy to tell a doctored image close up due to people using inferior Minmatar editing software. Archbishop Clearly you didn't learn all the definitions of the word "fake" in whatever religious school you attended. I believe that PIE probably did manage to get 8 pilots of their identifiers in the same station 3 times. But I don't believe it was ordinary activity level and since I don't recognise more than half of those names from any presence in space its entirely possible Rodj is dressing his hanger cleaning staff in PIE uniforms and taking snap shots of the fake "legions" thereby created. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.19 19:25:00 - [371] Jasmine, it is entirely predictable that when faced with hard evidence of your dissembling you would scream that the evidence has been forged. However, the evidence is now in the public domain, and I'm sure that the good people of the cluster will be able to draw their own conclusions. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.19 19:30:00 - [372] An excellent observation Admiral Blake. As we've stated numerous times we're happy to let people draw their own conclusions and let history do with us what it will. We have far more respect for their intelligence and far more confidence in their ability to discern "fact" from "fiction"... or should I say "smear" then apparently some people do. After all history is history... you can't run from it. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 19:32:00 - [373] Originally by: Rodj Blake Jasmine, it is entirely predictable that when faced with hard evidence of your dissembling you would scream that the evidence has been forged. However, the evidence is now in the public domain, and I'm sure that the good people of the cluster will be able to draw their own conclusions. I'm sure they will. Its quite easy to cross reference those "names" with the public combat records after all. Star Fraction is recruiting
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.19 20:05:00 - [374] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine I'm sure they will. Its quite easy to cross reference those "names" with the public combat records after all. Easy to see the stuffed shirts forced into flightsuits when one has access to the statistics Merdaneth yawns I think your talents are better suited to inciting anarchist rabble in space than arguing on the IGS Ms. Constantine. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 22:10:00 - [375] Originally by: Merdaneth I think your talents are better suited to inciting anarchist rabble in space than arguing on the IGS Ms. Constantine. I imagine you do find the constant barrage of facts hitting you over the head to be rather tiring. Still, back under MotherCVA's skirts before somebody notices! Star Fraction is recruiting
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.19 22:21:00 - [376] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine I imagine you do find the constant barrage of facts hitting you over the head to be rather tiring. Still, back under MotherCVA's skirts before somebody notices! Actually, I find your near constant need to use this particular icon in your latest series of posts rather tiring. It makes it even harder for me to take you serious than it already is. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 22:23:00 - [377] Originally by: Merdaneth Actually, I find your near constant need to use this particular icon in your latest series of posts rather tiring. It makes it even harder for me to take you serious than it already is. I use this symbol to reassure you that though I think you are an idiot I find you an amusing idiot and don't take offense Star Fraction is recruiting
Soratah Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.05.19 22:39:00 - [378] Indeed the Amarrian bloc lost, badly. PIE are no more, being executed left right and centre. Aegis Militia has broken up and gone it's seperate ways, their heads of staff executing themselves in shame. CVA have lost all their POS' and their outposts, and the providence reclamation dream has been lost. I myself will be suiciding soon, for the shame of losing so badly..... slams the table in abject howling laughter
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.19 23:24:00 - [379] An answer to the post of Mr Jaxx regarding my comments to the postings of Little Jasmine Constantine is in order, I think. First, if you reread the dialogue (scattered along the last few pages of this thread) you'll find that my comments regarded the style and the tone of Little Jasmine. Mr Schroedinger had posted some concerns regarding what he labelled something like "continued lies and smear" from certain PIE members. I merely pointed to the fact that the greatest liar and smackartist of them all is Little Jasmine Constantine. As you have yourself conceded Mr Jaxx, PIE has every right to form her own policies of war and consequently our decision to concentrate on our campaigns in Providence rather than fighting SF in Amarr is a valid one. It follows from this that the claims of Little Jasmine as to the "cowardice" of PIE is something she simply cannot make any assessments - she is, to say the least, an infrequent visitor in Providence. Little Jasmine does however, post the same lies over and over again, hoping that some might believe them to be true. As to what I should expect from Star Fraction I certainly do not expect understanding or sympathy. I do however, expect that an organisation that claims to be courageous and honourable should expect it's members to try to live up to those standards. So let's have a look at how Little Jasmine Constantine manages that shall we? Courage The traditional view of courage could well be defined as "a willigness to risk ones pod in combat". It certainly appear that Star Fraction subscribe to this view. Personally however, I see little point in this definition for this reason: Should our pods be destroyed we would simply step out of our clone vats and pick up where we left off. Real courage would require a willingness to risk a defeat that would actually matter to you. The Amarr block is currently involved in a siege for 9UY - should that siege fail, I would certainly consider that a defeat. We have all comitted time and resources to it, and it carries in it an inherent risk. By contrast, every war objective stated so far by Star Fractin has been nigh impossible not to meet, and up until this point you have refused to go anywhere near Providence. I guess we have differing views on what constitutes courage? Honour Honour is shown by your demeanor and by your behaviour. The very first test of honouor should be that any person should be able to trust your word. Little Jasmine Constantine has continously made statements about things she know nothing about. Even worse, she has continously made statements that she must have known to be factual lies at the time she made them. All this in order to facilitate her private vendetta of smack - the very same vendetta she has pursued since day one of this war. You'll have to look long and hard, very hard indeed, to find a person more dishonourable than Little Jasmine Constantine. To sum up, Mr Jaxx, the courage of Little Jasmine is questionable, depending on how you define courage. In my view, she prefers sitting at the edge of a combat zone making long speaches and a lot of chestbeating - hardly courageous at all. I will grant you however, that you may define courage in a different way and hence disagree with me on this one. When it comes to honour, it is clear that Little Jasmine has none at all, Mr Jaxx. Her performance is a blemish on any and all honourable members of your organisation. As I've said before, no matter where Star Fraction go from here, you'll find it hard to get the respect you should command as individuals. Little Jasmine Constantine will see to that. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 23:39:00 - [380] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus To sum up, Mr Jaxx, the courage of Little Jasmine is questionable, depending on how you define courage. In my view, she prefers sitting at the edge of a combat zone making long speaches and a lot of chestbeating - hardly courageous at all. I will grant you however, that you may define courage in a different way and hence disagree with me on this one. You and me, battleships of choice. Lets fight. If you think you can slur my courage from a station in providence you have another thing coming. Back up your big mouth mr Augustus. Unlike you I am always prepared to fight. Star Fraction is recruiting
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar	Posted - 2007.05.20 00:11:00 - [381] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 19/05/2007 23:56:18 Originally by: Octavinus Augustus To sum up, Mr Jaxx, the courage of Little Jasmine is questionable, depending on how you define courage. In my view, she prefers sitting at the edge of a combat zone making long speaches and a lot of chestbeating - hardly courageous at all. I will grant you however, that you may define courage in a different way and hence disagree with me on this one. You and me, battleships of choice. Lets fight. If you think you can slur my courage from a station in providence you have another thing coming. Back up your big mouth mr Augustus. Unlike you I am always prepared to fight. (And yes this is a challenge to a duel - since you've dared to question my personal courage I'd think you'd be obligated to accept no?) scoff Dueling is where the rich can look brave. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.20 00:15:00 - [382] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Dueling is where the rich can look brave. Galnet is where cowards can look brave. What was your point again Tomahawk? Star Fraction is recruiting
GulletSplitter Minmatar Colonial Fleet Services	Posted - 2007.05.20 00:17:00 - [383] On the duel offer: Well...I don't consider PIE to be exactly poor. I imagine that you guys could outfit a ship for whomever to duel her. I mean it's kinda hard to call her out on courage and then refuse or scoff at a duel. It's pretty obvious SF isn't cut out or unwilling for POS warfare due to size limitations. But I imagine PIE could easily afford a duel.
GulletSplitter Minmatar Colonial Fleet Services	Posted - 2007.05.20 00:20:00 - [384] Maybe it would even lay to rest the whole "You won't leave the station" and "I never see you anywhere cause you're afraid" posts. I really like the news coming from the two camps and not the constant recriminating bickering. Really....you folks can beat the proverbial "dead horse" (whatever that is) to death at times.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.20 03:01:00 - [385] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 20/05/2007 03:02:41 Quote: Courage The traditional view of courage could well be defined as "a willigness to risk ones pod in combat". It certainly appear that Star Fraction subscribe to this view. Personally however, I see little point in this definition for this reason: Should our pods be destroyed we would simply step out of our clone vats and pick up where we left off. Real courage would require a willingness to risk a defeat that would actually matter to you. The Amarr block is currently involved in a siege for 9UY - should that siege fail, I would certainly consider that a defeat. We have all comitted time and resources to it, and it carries in it an inherent risk. By contrast, every war objective stated so far by Star Fractin has been nigh impossible not to meet, and up until this point you have refused to go anywhere near Providence. I guess we have differing views on what constitutes courage? I believe you have proved the above point, Jasmine. Asking for a duel proves nothing other than that both pilots have no regard for the crews of their ships and are not in need of money. It is, therefore, nothing more than a blood sport. As such, it is officially against the PIE rules of engagement, a fact which you knew very well when you made the offer. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar	Posted - 2007.05.20 03:20:00 - [386] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Dueling is where the rich can look brave. Galnet is where cowards can look brave. What was your point again Tomahawk? /gets out tennis racket and swings or where the needy seek attention? ...really we could go all day but the point stands, SF always uses "duels" to try and prove something. I'm not sure what you try to prove when it comes down to it you folk always shout "DUEL!!!" when your way is challenged. Maybe declare a war on PIE instead...oh wait sorry you did that and nothing happened. hmmm guess you are in a rock and a hard place. wish I could help... now about shooting Republic flunkies, got any empty spots for a worn but still serviceable Kameria? Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.20 03:53:00 - [387] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss ...really we could go all day but the point stands, SF always uses "duels" to try and prove something. I'm not sure what you try to prove when it comes down to it you folk always shout "DUEL!!!" when your way is challenged. Well, when somebody doubt's somebody else's personal courage then an offer of a duel is the appropriate response. How else would you go about confronting such a false accusation Tomahawk? Star Fraction is recruiting
Alistair Cononach Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.20 04:32:00 - [388] Well, a bow to our now-former opponents of the Fraction. I found some of you to be rather honorable, and many of you to be highly skilled combat pilots....worthy adversaries, no doubt. I hope to continue to cross turrets with you as you continue your (as I see it futile) efforts in Providence. After all, there is no better test of Faith, no more honorable a cause, than risking ones life for ones beliefs against the strongest of adversaries. With that said, I will proudly take my combat records from our recent conflict (per your public holorecords). While as a still-green and inexperienced podpilot I was obviously only a very small part of the greater conflict against you, I believe I can still stand proud of my personal efforts these past weeks. As for your claims against PIE, you are certainly free to make them. They are, after all, merely words. And as we all know, words are easy, and not always a reflection of Truth. PIE still lives, and will continue to do so as long as blood flows in the veins of the very last loyal pilot. While blood still flows in my veins, there will be a PIE. So, if you still feel you won, I am happy for you. It's good to feel good about oneself. I know I do, for I know I do God's work. You're motivations are, of course, your own. Till we cross paths again, may God bless you.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.20 04:33:00 - [389] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss ...really we could go all day but the point stands, SF always uses "duels" to try and prove something. I'm not sure what you try to prove when it comes down to it you folk always shout "DUEL!!!" when your way is challenged. Well, when somebody doubt's somebody else's personal courage then an offer of a duel is the appropriate response. How else would you go about confronting such a false accusation Tomahawk? It is interesting that you ignore the fact that by the person calling your courage into question's definition of courage, a duel proves nothing at all. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Frygok Minmatar Mean Anglo-Danes	Posted - 2007.05.20 11:55:00 - [390] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss ...really we could go all day but the point stands, SF always uses "duels" to try and prove something. I'm not sure what you try to prove when it comes down to it you folk always shout "DUEL!!!" when your way is challenged. Well, when somebody doubt's somebody else's personal courage then an offer of a duel is the appropriate response. How else would you go about confronting such a false accusation Tomahawk? It is interesting that you ignore the fact that by the person calling your courage into question's definition of courage, a duel proves nothing at all. Then, pray tell, does one actually refute vague claims of having no courage? Or should one simply accept it as a fact because a random loudmouth decides to spew random accusations on the forums? Even if it is a fact that duels means nothing(however, it seemed to be personal courage/honor that is in question), I'd say the one claiming lack of courage on anothers part should back up accusations with proof. Otherwise, he just comes of as a bitter liar.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.20 14:37:00 - [391] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine You and me, battleships of choice. Lets fight. If you think you can slur my courage from a station in providence you have another thing coming. Back up your big mouth mr Augustus. Unlike you I am always prepared to fight. (And yes this is a challenge to a duel - since you've dared to question my personal courage I'd think you'd be obligated to accept no?) A very interesting answer to my statements that Little Jasmine has no honour whatsoever and questionable courage depending on the definition you use. The interesting part lies in the fact that while Little Jasmine find it abhorring that anyone could question her courage, she finds no need to defend her honour whasoever - personally I think this must be because she realizes that is a lost cause. Perhaps the indirect admission that she has indeed no real honour to defend is not so surprising after all? So Little Jasmine challenges me to a duel to defend her "courage". Let's see, how should I respond to that? Should I point out that duels are forbidden according to PIE ROE - which Little Jasmine has known all along? Should I point out the fact that duels are traditionally used to defend one's honour - and not as Little Jasmine claims one's courage? Should I point to the fact that Little Jasmine has no honour to defend? Or should I simply state that she should reread my post regarding courage - she'd then find that a duel is meaningless. As neither of us would risk anything we hold to be important, "courage" has nothing to do with duels. A willingness to fight is not "courage". At least not for us in the pod community - should we lose we would simply step out of our clone vats and into another ship. Or perhaps I should simply explain to Little Jasmine that her challenge has nothing do with courage - it is simply a statement that she thinks she can beat me in personal combat 9 times out of 10 (this incidentally might well be right, as I have never concentrated much on the aspects of "duels" as I find them meaningless). Consequently her little challenge has nothing to do with a display of courage whatsoever. I think I shall simply ignore Little Jasmine's challenge and give this offer to the honourable pilots of Star Fraction we know to be out there: If you still find reason to doubt my words regarding the lack of honour displayed by Little Jasmine Constantine, and if you doubt my willingness to "risk my pod" - then state this below. If you feel that my word would somehow carry more weight to your warrior caste if I get blown up in space, then by all means state this. I shall gladly jump into a shuttle, fly up to Mista or whereever and let myself be dispatched by whomever you may choose - even Little Jasmine Constantine. It means nothing to me, but apparently a lot to some of you. If Little Jasmine Constantine feel a need to prove her courage by "risking her pod", then by all means let her make a similar offer below. Regardless, I shall maintain my view that Little Jasmine has no honour and that her courage is questionable depending on how you define that concept. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.20 14:47:00 - [392] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus A very interesting answer to my statements that Little Jasmine has no honour whatsoever and questionable courage depending on the definition you use. The interesting part lies in the fact that while Little Jasmine find it abhorring that anyone could question her courage, she finds no need to defend her honour whasoever - personally I think this must be because she realizes that is a lost cause. I don't need to defend an allegation against my honour from a person like you. You have no status or reputation, it would be pointless to contest such a patently ridiculous charge from you. A waste of words. Quote: So Little Jasmine challenges me to a duel to defend her "courage". Let's see, how should I respond to that? Should I point out that duels are forbidden according to PIE ROE - which Little Jasmine has known all along? And yet courageous members of PIE (while they were still members of PIE) accept duels and fight them. You cannot use the excuse of your ROE, other people in your colours have fought duels and had the rules of such things accepted. You are wriggling. Quote: Should I point out the fact that duels are traditionally used to defend one's honour - and not as Little Jasmine claims one's courage? Should I point to the fact that Little Jasmine has no honour to defend? Baseless slurs from a galnet hound. I call you to defend your words in space. If you cannot or willnot it is quite clear who has neither courage nor honour. Quote: Or should I simply state that she should reread my post regarding courage - she'd then find that a duel is meaningless. As neither of us would risk anything we hold to be important, "courage" has nothing to do with duels. A willingness to fight is not "courage". At least not for us in the pod community - should we lose we would simply step out of our clone vats and into another ship. I generally don't read your posts. I find them entirely full of windy nothing and am assured that naught of value can be found therein. Quote: Or perhaps I should simply explain to Little Jasmine that her challenge has nothing do with courage - it is simply a statement that she thinks she can beat me in personal combat 9 times out of 10 (this incidentally might well be right, So you feel your inneptitude in starship combat is an excuse for making slurs about people's courage on galnet? I feel your logic won't impress many people beyond the amarrian bloc. Quote: I think I shall simply ignore Little Jasmine's challenge and give this offer to the honourable pilots of Star Fraction we know to be out there: By which you are proven a coward then. All very clear. Star Fraction is recruiting
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.20 15:52:00 - [393] PIE has a 'no duells' rule for about four years now. Why should an exception be made for you? Because you think you are special? Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Axen Vormar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.20 15:59:00 - [394] Extraordinary would be the right term, Tharrn.
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar	Posted - 2007.05.20 16:25:00 - [395] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss ...really we could go all day but the point stands, SF always uses "duels" to try and prove something. I'm not sure what you try to prove when it comes down to it you folk always shout "DUEL!!!" when your way is challenged. Well, when somebody doubt's somebody else's personal courage then an offer of a duel is the appropriate response. How else would you go about confronting such a false accusation Tomahawk? I confront such accusations with the knowledge that i'm no coward and thus need to prove nothing. I then debate whether I want to risk isk and how bored I am at the moment and then usually just ridicule the would be gladiator. Duels are completely useless as a tool prove courage...one could point out your four years in the pod and wonder really how few pilots you could fairly face, not to mention the supposed billions of isk at your finger tips. It proves nothing, win or lose. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.20 16:48:00 - [396] Originally by: Tharrn PIE has a 'no duells' rule for about four years now. Why should an exception be made for you? Because you think you are special? Several PIE pilots have ignored their cowardly superiors and disregarded this craven rule in the last six weeks. Star Fraction is recruiting
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar	Posted - 2007.05.20 17:16:00 - [397] Example: not ten minutes ago Axen Vormar and I dueled in Jaguars. the outcome, I won. does this in some way prove anything? no. is anyone involved in anyway effected? No. does this prove I'm no coward? No. Does this prove I'm better than Axen? No. this literally proves nothing and though entertaining for me to see an untried set-up work out okay (but not super). No change has been made, no honor upheld or broken. why it isn't even going to be remember by this time tomorrow. All it proved is that if you get into a fight with structure its good to have a damage control and that Axen has better navigation skills than me >_< Duels are pointless except as the occasional entertainment, to use them on IGS as proof of anything is quite the odd-ball approach. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.20 17:44:00 - [398] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Example: not ten minutes ago Axen Vormar and I dueled in Jaguars. the outcome, I won. does this in some way prove anything? no. is anyone involved in anyway effected? No. does this prove I'm no coward? No. Does this prove I'm better than Axen? No. this literally proves nothing and though entertaining for me to see an untried set-up work out okay (but not super). No change has been made, no honor upheld or broken. why it isn't even going to be remember by this time tomorrow. All it proved is that if you get into a fight with structure its good to have a damage control and that Axen has better navigation skills than me >_< Duels are pointless except as the occasional entertainment, to use them on IGS as proof of anything is quite the odd-ball approach. Neither you nor Axen had previously accused the other of cowardice of course. So of course it proved nothing. For all your faults you do have a backbone Tomahawk. Octavius cannot make the same claim. Star Fraction is recruiting
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.20 19:37:00 - [399] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 20/05/2007 19:39:11 Quote: Then, pray tell, does one actually refute vague claims of having no courage? Or should one simply accept it as a fact because a random loudmouth decides to spew random accusations on the forums? Even if it is a fact that duels means nothing(however, it seemed to be personal courage/honor that is in question), I'd say the one claiming lack of courage on anothers part should back up accusations with proof. Otherwise, he just comes of as a bitter liar. Well, if you actually read Octavinus' accusation, you might find that it is rather more than vague. He gives an explicit definition of what he believes Jasmine does not have. Quote: Courage The traditional view of courage could well be defined as "a willigness to risk ones pod in combat". It certainly appear that Star Fraction subscribe to this view. Personally however, I see little point in this definition for this reason: Should our pods be destroyed we would simply step out of our clone vats and pick up where we left off. Real courage would require a willingness to risk a defeat that would actually matter to you. So all Jasmine would need to do to refute Octavinus' claims would be to prove that his definition, which I believe is far more valid than "willingness to lose ships and crew," does not apply. On Dueling: The rule about dueling has nothing to do with cowardice. We consider dueling a blood sport, a pointless endeavor with no place in war that cannot have a greater meaning than pointless destruction. While we do not mind the concept of your ships being destroyed pointlessly, we put a greater value on PIE crew than that. If any PIE pilots accepted formal duels (not all 1v1s are duels, mind you, just arranged ones) then they were breaking a long standing rule in PIE against such blood sport. Though it is considered somewhat acceptable in interceptors as there it is only equipment being wasted rather than lives, making it not a blood sport, it is still not encouraged and we still believe it proves absolutely nothing. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.21 00:13:00 - [400] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri So all Jasmine would need to do to refute Octavinus' claims would be to prove that his definition, which I believe is far more valid than "willingness to lose ships and crew," does not apply. I am a warrior, I fight for what I believe in. I don't endlessly torture logic and making wriggling excuses as to why I won't duel somebody I've called a coward. Octavinus' doesn't even speak my language in truth, he is some species of braying mid-rank administrator fluent only in doublespeak and evasion. Quote: The rule about dueling has nothing to do with cowardice. We consider dueling a blood sport, a pointless endeavor with no place in war that cannot have a greater meaning than pointless destruction. While we do not mind the concept of your ships being destroyed pointlessly, we put a greater value on PIE crew than that. That is the third such (different) excuse I've heard during this war. First it was "waagh waagh its unfair (because you have to fly amarrian ships", second it was "you are too irrelevant to fight" and now its "bloodsports and humitarian hand-wringing!" Quote: If any PIE pilots accepted formal duels (not all 1v1s are duels, mind you, just arranged ones) then they were breaking a long standing rule in PIE against such blood sport. Though it is considered somewhat acceptable in interceptors as there it is only equipment being wasted rather than lives, making it not a blood sport, it is still not encouraged and we still believe it proves absolutely nothing. It proves the existence of courage. Still if you do not value the virtue of courage then I imagine you might not find the use for duels. Perhaps we finally come to understand each other there.. Star Fraction is recruiting
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.21 01:46:00 - [401] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 21/05/2007 01:48:48 Courage is not throwing your ships away for nothing more than destruction. That is Folly. I am guilty of that Folly, but it remains Folly and not Courage. Courage is to take a stance that risks everything that you are. Courage is to put your soul on the line when you could have an easy life in peace. Courage is to accept your role in this universe and act accordingly. Courage is to raise your weapons in defiance of those who would harm innocents. You are too caught up in yourself, in your need to be perceived as Courageous, as a revolutionary, and in your need to be a goddess among mortals rather than a humble defender of those who cannot defend themselves. You cannot understand Courage, because your "revolutionary" cause is in and of itself craven. Your cause is one of someone who cannot accept their place in God's creation, and runs from it instead. The destruction you brag about so gladly is not the measured and rational violence of a civilized warrior, destroying only what is necessary, but rather the panicked destruction of a maddened bull charging whatever bright color it has seen most recently. To understand courage you will need to clear your mind of your madness and face head on the reality of the universe, rather than blindly lashing out at whatever annoys you at the time. Until you do that, you will remain utterly irrelevant. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.21 14:30:00 - [402] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Courage is not throwing your ships away for nothing more than destruction. That is Folly. I am guilty of that Folly, but it remains Folly and not Courage. See this is the problem with nationalists really. You are defeated before you begin because you see nothing but defeat as the result of any contest with your enemies. Courage is doing something you say you are going to do. Its taking a stand and trying hard to accomplish what you feel to be right. Quote: You cannot understand Courage, because your "revolutionary" cause is in and of itself craven. Your cause is one of someone who cannot accept their place in God's creation, and runs from it instead. The destruction you brag about so gladly is not the measured and rational violence of a civilized warrior, destroying only what is necessary, but rather the panicked destruction of a maddened bull charging whatever bright color it has seen most recently. Ridiculous. You don't even understand what you are talking about. No wonder the nature of "courage" escapes you. Star Fraction is recruiting

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