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Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 16:26:00 - [361] Originally by: Rodj Blake If we're talking about people being revealed as liars, what about your claim regarding the deployment style of PIE fighters later shown to be impossible, and what about your claim regarding PIE struggling to find more than three active members at a time? It was perfectly possible to deploy fighters through a POS shield when you employed this tactic earlier in the providence wars Rodj. You know it. You did it. Its the height of disingenius nonsense for you to now say the technique is "impossible" and to disavow all knowledge. And as for your active numbers I repeat my assessment. You struggle to find three pilots. Now, perhaps your friend would like to tell everyone which neutral ship we are supposed to have attacked? I think there should be records showing the deed if he is not a liar. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.19 16:46:00 - [362] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake If we're talking about people being revealed as liars, what about your claim regarding the deployment style of PIE fighters later shown to be impossible, and what about your claim regarding PIE struggling to find more than three active members at a time? It was perfectly possible to deploy fighters through a POS shield when you employed this tactic earlier in the providence wars Rodj. You know it. You did it. Its the height of disingenius nonsense for you to now say the technique is "impossible" and to disavow all knowledge. And as for your active numbers I repeat my assessment. You struggle to find three pilots. You claimed that I was assigning my fighters from behind a control tower forcefield in this campaign, not the last one. What does this tell us? It tells us that you are someone who makes claims without first checking their facts. How many other claims have you made without checking your facts? As for us struggling to find three members, I took this picture earlier today. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 16:54:00 - [363] Originally by: Rodj Blake As for us struggling to find three members, I took this picture earlier today. Bravo, I'm glad you were able to dragoon them in for the task Rodj. Nice to know they are able to answer the call for galnet publicity but a bit of a shame they can't muster against their war enemies when it mattered ... Still the fact remains, you struggle to get three active. Star Fraction is recruiting
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.19 17:01:00 - [364] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 19/05/2007 16:55:22 Originally by: Rodj Blake As for us struggling to find three members, I took this picture earlier today. Bravo, I'm glad you were able to dragoon out 8 bold PIE people for the parade Rodj (4 of whom we never saw in combat I note). As the Star Fraction declared war would it not have made it their task to hunt down these PIE members? Only further proof of how little effect you have had. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.19 17:10:00 - [365] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 19/05/2007 17:07:59 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake As for us struggling to find three members, I took this picture earlier today. Bravo, I'm glad you were able to dragoon them in for the task Rodj. Nice to know they are able to answer the call for galnet publicity but a bit of a shame they can't muster against their war enemies when it mattered ... Still the fact remains, you struggle to get three active. I can assure you that no dragooning was necessary. That's about our normal activity level, and it was about the normal level before you declared war on us as well. I suppose that in the circumstances it's just as well that I took pictures yesterday and the day before as well, isn't it? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 18:42:00 - [366] Originally by: Rodj Blake I can assure you that no dragooning was necessary. That's about our normal activity level, and it was about the normal level before you declared war on us as well. You think that a person prepared to fake up one picture of alliance "activity" would not be prepared to fake up two or three now? How stupid do you think people are Rodj? You are so desperate to win an argument - any argument, that I would put absolutely nothing past you. Pathetic really, yet the fact remains. You struggle to put three people into space and you are currently averaging one active pilot at any one time flying amongst large CVA gangs and claiming space on their coat-tails. Still, you are no longer relevant to us Rodj. Run along and enjoy your exile Star Fraction is recruiting
Bacchanalian Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 18:47:00 - [367] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 19/05/2007 17:07:59 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake As for us struggling to find three members, I took this picture earlier today. Bravo, I'm glad you were able to dragoon them in for the task Rodj. Nice to know they are able to answer the call for galnet publicity but a bit of a shame they can't muster against their war enemies when it mattered ... Still the fact remains, you struggle to get three active. I can assure you that no dragooning was necessary. That's about our normal activity level, and it was about the normal level before you declared war on us as well. I suppose that in the circumstances it's just as well that I took pictures yesterday and the day before as well, isn't it? Ahh, there's the PIE I know! Docked up in the safety of a station! The "mighty" Golden Fleet where it belongs, indoors. Star Fraction is recruiting, join the revolution!
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.19 19:05:00 - [368] Quote: Nice to know they are able to answer the call for galnet publicity but a bit of a shame they can't muster against their war enemies when it mattered Possibly because you are an enemy who doesn't matter? We managed to escort a Speaker of Truth, deploy carriers to Providence, participate in the defense of CVA space and in the attacks on terrorist facilities, I managed to personally establish two bases (offices) down there stocked with ships and war goods as well as gave several free sermons to the populace and fought in two engagements against Minmatar terrorists with several other PIE pilots. Then again this is all business as usual and after all nothing changed in the way we operate. We did all this...... ...while you had us cowering in stations... ....oh wait I mean had us running far away from our Empire... ....oh wait I mean while we were hiding behind POS shields... ....oh wait I mean while we were being slaughtered in Providence... ....oh wait I mean while we were doding you in interceptors... ....oh wait I mean........ ....Oh my I can't keep all your stories straight! Where's my notetaking slave?!?! Anyway.... I guess the fact we did all of this right under your noses while you did all of those things you claimed to do to us leads me to one conclusion. You didn't accomplish much of anything after all. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.19 19:13:00 - [369] Quote: You think that a person prepared to fake up one picture of alliance "activity" would not be prepared to fake up two or three now? How stupid do you think people are Rodj? I'm sure anyone could copy/save those pictures and examine them close up with amarr photoshop software or another process and determine their authenticity. Perhaps an independent here would do so thus to assure the Paraniod Fraction that it isn't some conspiracy of hate and is an actual image. I already have with several advanced software applications (rather my slave did while I supervised) and I can attest they are genuine but I know how they feel about me so I would gladly welcome outside independent review. It's actually easy to tell a doctored image close up due to people using inferior Minmatar editing software. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 19:25:00 - [370] Originally by: Archbishop Quote: You think that a person prepared to fake up one picture of alliance "activity" would not be prepared to fake up two or three now? How stupid do you think people are Rodj? I'm sure anyone could copy/save those pictures and examine them close up with amarr photoshop software or another process and determine their authenticity. Perhaps an independent here would do so thus to assure the Paraniod Fraction that it isn't some conspiracy of hate and is an actual image. I already have with several advanced software applications (rather my slave did while I supervised) and I can attest they are genuine but I know how they feel about me so I would gladly welcome outside independent review. It's actually easy to tell a doctored image close up due to people using inferior Minmatar editing software. Archbishop Clearly you didn't learn all the definitions of the word "fake" in whatever religious school you attended. I believe that PIE probably did manage to get 8 pilots of their identifiers in the same station 3 times. But I don't believe it was ordinary activity level and since I don't recognise more than half of those names from any presence in space its entirely possible Rodj is dressing his hanger cleaning staff in PIE uniforms and taking snap shots of the fake "legions" thereby created. Star Fraction is recruiting

Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.19 19:25:00 - [371] Jasmine, it is entirely predictable that when faced with hard evidence of your dissembling you would scream that the evidence has been forged. However, the evidence is now in the public domain, and I'm sure that the good people of the cluster will be able to draw their own conclusions. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.19 19:30:00 - [372] An excellent observation Admiral Blake. As we've stated numerous times we're happy to let people draw their own conclusions and let history do with us what it will. We have far more respect for their intelligence and far more confidence in their ability to discern "fact" from "fiction"... or should I say "smear" then apparently some people do. After all history is history... you can't run from it. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 19:32:00 - [373] Originally by: Rodj Blake Jasmine, it is entirely predictable that when faced with hard evidence of your dissembling you would scream that the evidence has been forged. However, the evidence is now in the public domain, and I'm sure that the good people of the cluster will be able to draw their own conclusions. I'm sure they will. Its quite easy to cross reference those "names" with the public combat records after all. Star Fraction is recruiting
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.19 20:05:00 - [374] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine I'm sure they will. Its quite easy to cross reference those "names" with the public combat records after all. Easy to see the stuffed shirts forced into flightsuits when one has access to the statistics Merdaneth yawns I think your talents are better suited to inciting anarchist rabble in space than arguing on the IGS Ms. Constantine. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 22:10:00 - [375] Originally by: Merdaneth I think your talents are better suited to inciting anarchist rabble in space than arguing on the IGS Ms. Constantine. I imagine you do find the constant barrage of facts hitting you over the head to be rather tiring. Still, back under MotherCVA's skirts before somebody notices! Star Fraction is recruiting
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.19 22:21:00 - [376] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine I imagine you do find the constant barrage of facts hitting you over the head to be rather tiring. Still, back under MotherCVA's skirts before somebody notices! Actually, I find your near constant need to use this particular icon in your latest series of posts rather tiring. It makes it even harder for me to take you serious than it already is. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 22:23:00 - [377] Originally by: Merdaneth Actually, I find your near constant need to use this particular icon in your latest series of posts rather tiring. It makes it even harder for me to take you serious than it already is. I use this symbol to reassure you that though I think you are an idiot I find you an amusing idiot and don't take offense Star Fraction is recruiting
Soratah Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.05.19 22:39:00 - [378] Indeed the Amarrian bloc lost, badly. PIE are no more, being executed left right and centre. Aegis Militia has broken up and gone it's seperate ways, their heads of staff executing themselves in shame. CVA have lost all their POS' and their outposts, and the providence reclamation dream has been lost. I myself will be suiciding soon, for the shame of losing so badly..... slams the table in abject howling laughter
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.19 23:24:00 - [379] An answer to the post of Mr Jaxx regarding my comments to the postings of Little Jasmine Constantine is in order, I think. First, if you reread the dialogue (scattered along the last few pages of this thread) you'll find that my comments regarded the style and the tone of Little Jasmine. Mr Schroedinger had posted some concerns regarding what he labelled something like "continued lies and smear" from certain PIE members. I merely pointed to the fact that the greatest liar and smackartist of them all is Little Jasmine Constantine. As you have yourself conceded Mr Jaxx, PIE has every right to form her own policies of war and consequently our decision to concentrate on our campaigns in Providence rather than fighting SF in Amarr is a valid one. It follows from this that the claims of Little Jasmine as to the "cowardice" of PIE is something she simply cannot make any assessments - she is, to say the least, an infrequent visitor in Providence. Little Jasmine does however, post the same lies over and over again, hoping that some might believe them to be true. As to what I should expect from Star Fraction I certainly do not expect understanding or sympathy. I do however, expect that an organisation that claims to be courageous and honourable should expect it's members to try to live up to those standards. So let's have a look at how Little Jasmine Constantine manages that shall we? Courage The traditional view of courage could well be defined as "a willigness to risk ones pod in combat". It certainly appear that Star Fraction subscribe to this view. Personally however, I see little point in this definition for this reason: Should our pods be destroyed we would simply step out of our clone vats and pick up where we left off. Real courage would require a willingness to risk a defeat that would actually matter to you. The Amarr block is currently involved in a siege for 9UY - should that siege fail, I would certainly consider that a defeat. We have all comitted time and resources to it, and it carries in it an inherent risk. By contrast, every war objective stated so far by Star Fractin has been nigh impossible not to meet, and up until this point you have refused to go anywhere near Providence. I guess we have differing views on what constitutes courage? Honour Honour is shown by your demeanor and by your behaviour. The very first test of honouor should be that any person should be able to trust your word. Little Jasmine Constantine has continously made statements about things she know nothing about. Even worse, she has continously made statements that she must have known to be factual lies at the time she made them. All this in order to facilitate her private vendetta of smack - the very same vendetta she has pursued since day one of this war. You'll have to look long and hard, very hard indeed, to find a person more dishonourable than Little Jasmine Constantine. To sum up, Mr Jaxx, the courage of Little Jasmine is questionable, depending on how you define courage. In my view, she prefers sitting at the edge of a combat zone making long speaches and a lot of chestbeating - hardly courageous at all. I will grant you however, that you may define courage in a different way and hence disagree with me on this one. When it comes to honour, it is clear that Little Jasmine has none at all, Mr Jaxx. Her performance is a blemish on any and all honourable members of your organisation. As I've said before, no matter where Star Fraction go from here, you'll find it hard to get the respect you should command as individuals. Little Jasmine Constantine will see to that. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 23:39:00 - [380] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus To sum up, Mr Jaxx, the courage of Little Jasmine is questionable, depending on how you define courage. In my view, she prefers sitting at the edge of a combat zone making long speaches and a lot of chestbeating - hardly courageous at all. I will grant you however, that you may define courage in a different way and hence disagree with me on this one. You and me, battleships of choice. Lets fight. If you think you can slur my courage from a station in providence you have another thing coming. Back up your big mouth mr Augustus. Unlike you I am always prepared to fight. Star Fraction is recruiting

Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar	Posted - 2007.05.20 00:11:00 - [381] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 19/05/2007 23:56:18 Originally by: Octavinus Augustus To sum up, Mr Jaxx, the courage of Little Jasmine is questionable, depending on how you define courage. In my view, she prefers sitting at the edge of a combat zone making long speaches and a lot of chestbeating - hardly courageous at all. I will grant you however, that you may define courage in a different way and hence disagree with me on this one. You and me, battleships of choice. Lets fight. If you think you can slur my courage from a station in providence you have another thing coming. Back up your big mouth mr Augustus. Unlike you I am always prepared to fight. (And yes this is a challenge to a duel - since you've dared to question my personal courage I'd think you'd be obligated to accept no?) scoff Dueling is where the rich can look brave. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.20 00:15:00 - [382] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Dueling is where the rich can look brave. Galnet is where cowards can look brave. What was your point again Tomahawk? Star Fraction is recruiting
GulletSplitter Minmatar Colonial Fleet Services	Posted - 2007.05.20 00:17:00 - [383] On the duel offer: Well...I don't consider PIE to be exactly poor. I imagine that you guys could outfit a ship for whomever to duel her. I mean it's kinda hard to call her out on courage and then refuse or scoff at a duel. It's pretty obvious SF isn't cut out or unwilling for POS warfare due to size limitations. But I imagine PIE could easily afford a duel.
GulletSplitter Minmatar Colonial Fleet Services	Posted - 2007.05.20 00:20:00 - [384] Maybe it would even lay to rest the whole "You won't leave the station" and "I never see you anywhere cause you're afraid" posts. I really like the news coming from the two camps and not the constant recriminating bickering. Really....you folks can beat the proverbial "dead horse" (whatever that is) to death at times.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.20 03:01:00 - [385] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 20/05/2007 03:02:41 Quote: Courage The traditional view of courage could well be defined as "a willigness to risk ones pod in combat". It certainly appear that Star Fraction subscribe to this view. Personally however, I see little point in this definition for this reason: Should our pods be destroyed we would simply step out of our clone vats and pick up where we left off. Real courage would require a willingness to risk a defeat that would actually matter to you. The Amarr block is currently involved in a siege for 9UY - should that siege fail, I would certainly consider that a defeat. We have all comitted time and resources to it, and it carries in it an inherent risk. By contrast, every war objective stated so far by Star Fractin has been nigh impossible not to meet, and up until this point you have refused to go anywhere near Providence. I guess we have differing views on what constitutes courage? I believe you have proved the above point, Jasmine. Asking for a duel proves nothing other than that both pilots have no regard for the crews of their ships and are not in need of money. It is, therefore, nothing more than a blood sport. As such, it is officially against the PIE rules of engagement, a fact which you knew very well when you made the offer. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar	Posted - 2007.05.20 03:20:00 - [386] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Dueling is where the rich can look brave. Galnet is where cowards can look brave. What was your point again Tomahawk? /gets out tennis racket and swings or where the needy seek attention? ...really we could go all day but the point stands, SF always uses "duels" to try and prove something. I'm not sure what you try to prove when it comes down to it you folk always shout "DUEL!!!" when your way is challenged. Maybe declare a war on PIE instead...oh wait sorry you did that and nothing happened. hmmm guess you are in a rock and a hard place. wish I could help... now about shooting Republic flunkies, got any empty spots for a worn but still serviceable Kameria? Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.20 03:53:00 - [387] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss ...really we could go all day but the point stands, SF always uses "duels" to try and prove something. I'm not sure what you try to prove when it comes down to it you folk always shout "DUEL!!!" when your way is challenged. Well, when somebody doubt's somebody else's personal courage then an offer of a duel is the appropriate response. How else would you go about confronting such a false accusation Tomahawk? Star Fraction is recruiting
Alistair Cononach Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.20 04:32:00 - [388] Well, a bow to our now-former opponents of the Fraction. I found some of you to be rather honorable, and many of you to be highly skilled combat pilots....worthy adversaries, no doubt. I hope to continue to cross turrets with you as you continue your (as I see it futile) efforts in Providence. After all, there is no better test of Faith, no more honorable a cause, than risking ones life for ones beliefs against the strongest of adversaries. With that said, I will proudly take my combat records from our recent conflict (per your public holorecords). While as a still-green and inexperienced podpilot I was obviously only a very small part of the greater conflict against you, I believe I can still stand proud of my personal efforts these past weeks. As for your claims against PIE, you are certainly free to make them. They are, after all, merely words. And as we all know, words are easy, and not always a reflection of Truth. PIE still lives, and will continue to do so as long as blood flows in the veins of the very last loyal pilot. While blood still flows in my veins, there will be a PIE. So, if you still feel you won, I am happy for you. It's good to feel good about oneself. I know I do, for I know I do God's work. You're motivations are, of course, your own. Till we cross paths again, may God bless you.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.20 04:33:00 - [389] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss ...really we could go all day but the point stands, SF always uses "duels" to try and prove something. I'm not sure what you try to prove when it comes down to it you folk always shout "DUEL!!!" when your way is challenged. Well, when somebody doubt's somebody else's personal courage then an offer of a duel is the appropriate response. How else would you go about confronting such a false accusation Tomahawk? It is interesting that you ignore the fact that by the person calling your courage into question's definition of courage, a duel proves nothing at all. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Frygok Minmatar Mean Anglo-Danes	Posted - 2007.05.20 11:55:00 - [390] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss ...really we could go all day but the point stands, SF always uses "duels" to try and prove something. I'm not sure what you try to prove when it comes down to it you folk always shout "DUEL!!!" when your way is challenged. Well, when somebody doubt's somebody else's personal courage then an offer of a duel is the appropriate response. How else would you go about confronting such a false accusation Tomahawk? It is interesting that you ignore the fact that by the person calling your courage into question's definition of courage, a duel proves nothing at all. Then, pray tell, does one actually refute vague claims of having no courage? Or should one simply accept it as a fact because a random loudmouth decides to spew random accusations on the forums? Even if it is a fact that duels means nothing(however, it seemed to be personal courage/honor that is in question), I'd say the one claiming lack of courage on anothers part should back up accusations with proof. Otherwise, he just comes of as a bitter liar.



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