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Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:52:00 - [331] Originally by: Tharrn Originally by: Nekumi Originally by: Tharrn When Devilish left SF your best pilot left and he left because he was so sick of the egocentrical and incomptent leadership of the blabbering Constaspins! Truth because I say it? I miss Devilish and he did leave and he is a good pilot. That's about all you got right. See, the same is true for the pilots that recently left PIE and VV, which Jasmine tried to spin into some sort of forum 'victory'. That was the point. We don't crow every time one of your members leaves, point fingers and yell 'See, see! They are falling apart! The leadership is failing!'. It's would be a pretty dumb assumption anyways, but those are Constaspin's specialty after all. No you don't see at all. The Star Fraction has many good pilots, no offence to Devilish but I'm sure he'd agree. PIE however, does not and it lost one the day Konstantin left whatever his reason. That is not spin no matter how much you want it to be.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 14:01:00 - [332] Originally by: Nekumi No you don't see at all. The Star Fraction has many good pilots, no offence to Devilish but I'm sure he'd agree. PIE however, does not and it lost one the day Konstantin left whatever his reason. That is not spin no matter how much you want it to be. You realize that you are in fact supporting my "bruised ego's" point from earlier on? A pilot can not be good if he does not engage Star Fraction and Ms Nekumi when given the opportunity - it's impossible. Consequently PIE has no good pilots. Have you considered that maybe you're not in a position to make statements on the topic as you have yet to engage us? I don't really know why I bother to post this - it's quite clear that you're indifferent to reason. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.18 14:12:00 - [333] If PIE lead such a busy life of abundant activity, how come all of its members are always here within a few seconds to refute posts? I don't think it's just because Rodj, Gaven and Archie hate the fact that I'm always right and cannot, physically, resist replying to my posts because they're spineless puppets.
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 14:14:00 - [334] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus Originally by: Nekumi No you don't see at all. The Star Fraction has many good pilots, no offence to Devilish but I'm sure he'd agree. PIE however, does not and it lost one the day Konstantin left whatever his reason. That is not spin no matter how much you want it to be. You realize that you are in fact supporting my "bruised ego's" point from earlier on? A pilot can not be good if he does not engage Star Fraction and Ms Nekumi when given the opportunity - it's impossible. Consequently PIE has no good pilots. Have you considered that maybe you're not in a position to make statements on the topic as you have yet to engage us? I don't really know why I bother to post this - it's quite clear that you're indifferent to reason. Your trite equivocations are the height of indifference to reason, Octavinus.
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar	Posted - 2007.05.18 14:34:00 - [335] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris If PIE lead such a busy life of abundant activity, how come all of its members are always here within a few seconds to refute posts? I don't think it's just because Rodj, Gaven and Archie hate the fact that I'm always right and cannot, physically, resist replying to my posts because they're spineless puppets. pot, kettle, black. you ain't doing SF any favors by arguing on their side Andreus, guilt by association and all that. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 14:44:00 - [336] Problem is the PIE posters here really don't have anything to do in space. That is exactly why they are so quick and keen to tell their lies on Galnet. Compare and contrast with the Aegis Militia pilots who have been fighting in space and we don't see them coming here to embarrass themselves every week claiming they have some "grand combat" in providence as an excuse for their incompetance and cowardice. I'm really sorry to shatter your illusions about these people Tomahawk but PIE really is the lowest of the low. I have more respect 100x over for Kimotoro Directive and Nikolai Nuvolari than I have for PIE and Archbishop. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 14:46:00 - [337] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 18/05/2007 14:44:19 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Problem is the PIE posters here really don't have anything to do in space. That is exactly why they are so quick and keen to tell their lies on Galnet. If you want to talk about lies on Galnet, let's talk about your assertion my main contribution to the 9UY campaign has been sitting inside a control tower forcefield whilst assigning fighters when such a thing is impossible, shall we? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 14:51:00 - [338] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus The vast majority of the smack concerning this war stems from the SF "war diaries". Try reading those diaries and think "How would I react if someone posted this way regarding me". You will find, I believe, that most of the smack has started right there - with Amarr pilots getting angry with the baseless accusations and innuendo of those diaries, replying in an angry state and when you read their posts you have then replied in kind. The war diaries are all based on what is actually happening in space. In six weeks no Amarrian bloc pilot has been able to dispute a single claimed kill or accuse me of neglecting to mention one of our defeats. What enrages you most Octavinus is that I am writing the simple truth about this campaign and yes, I am shattering many illusions and myths that surrounded the PIE name before we came to fight you. People used to believe in the "golden fleet". People used to believe that PIE had military forces worth a damn. People used to believe that PIE could actually do something in space. Those illusions are falling by the wayside now and you have nobody to blame for this but yourself. And as to your question in the opening paragraph I quote its null. Null because Star Fraction is an organisation with self respect and courage and we'd disband and go our separate ways before behaving as you have in this war. IF we were an organisation of dockmonkeys and cowards too terrified to contest the campaign in space we wouldn't have the bare-faced gall to keep posting on galnet and trying to argue against the people who have clearly proved to be our betters in space. But of course we beat you. The onus is on you to have some humility and admit defeat. That you cannot do - hence the bad tempered trolling that attends each war diary and subsequent nail in the coffin of your reputation. You are doing this to yourselves. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 14:53:00 - [339] Originally by: Rodj Blake If you want to talk about lies on Galnet, let's talk about your assertion that my main contribution to the 9UY campaign has been sitting inside a control tower forcefield whilst assigning fighters when such a thing is impossible, shall we? Didn't used to be impossible though did it. Maybe that explains your diminished participation? Star Fraction is recruiting
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 15:01:00 - [340] Jasmine, you forgot to turn the transcranial off before posting. Again. ----------------------------------------------

Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 15:04:00 - [341] Originally by: Gaius Kador Jasmine, you forgot to turn the transcranial off before posting. Again. I find it hilarious that more PIE pilots have posted on the last page of this thread than have undocked in a week Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 15:07:00 - [342] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 18/05/2007 14:56:22 Originally by: Rodj Blake If you want to talk about lies on Galnet, let's talk about your assertion that my main contribution to the 9UY campaign has been sitting inside a control tower forcefield whilst assigning fighters when such a thing is impossible, shall we? Wasn't always "impossible" though was it. Maybe that explains your diminished participation? Requiring your ships to actually sit 10 meters outside POS shields must have come as a terrible shock to the system And yet you were unaware of the different shield harmonics now used by control towers. What your claim tells the world is that you have made an assertion without any knowledge of the facts. You claimed that my sole contribution to the campaign had been made from behind starbase forcefields when you were ignorant of the fact that such a thing is impossible. Therefore we can conclude that your assertion was not based on any actual evidence. In other words, you made it up. A neutral observer might be tempted to ask themselves "What other claims by Jasmine Constantine have been made up?" Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.18 15:09:00 - [343] You are running out of 'funny lines' - you repeat them all over, which doesn't make them any more believable. All those PIE pilots I have been flying with must have been phantoms after all. Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 15:14:00 - [344] Originally by: Tharrn You are running out of 'funny lines' - you repeat them all over, which doesn't make them any more believable. All those PIE pilots I have been flying with must have been phantoms after all. Judging on your own participation in the war you declared on the Star Fraction you'd pardon me for dismissing your personal witness account of matters in space entirely. Since you spent the majority of the VV vs SF docked I think you are only a credible witness for counting similar dockees and as such entirely prove my point. Star Fraction is recruiting
KhanJohn Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.18 15:17:00 - [345] Although i do know means agree with slaver scum one thing i do know from past experiance is that Rodj Blake is an honourable man and an honourable combatant many months ago he agreed a ceasefire to allow wounded men out of a system even though he surely took repercussions from PIE's high command that shows a man of respect and courage and honour Though i like Star Fraction and Jade herself as friends and allys i feel after reading this that both parties should withdraw from the summit and take this into a private channel as this has now become a personal vendetta and an attack on mr Blakes character and even if he is my enemy and he calls me traitor i still respect his good name he is not a coward and i have fought gracefully against his fleets and his command many times and recently i have seen him firing steadily on my comrades in the lands of providence. I personally invite star fraction not to engage in the ongoing POS war but to bring its fist down to providence if it seeks retribution against the CVA and pie if you believe in stopping the spread of the CVA then help us down here to defeat them then we can deal with the Amarran home systems later...one step at a time ~Transmission Ends~ (my personal opinion do not represent those of my corporation or my alliance)
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 15:24:00 - [346] Originally by: KhanJohn I personally invite star fraction not to engage in the ongoing POS war but to bring its fist down to providence if it seeks retribution against the CVA and pie if you believe in stopping the spread of the CVA then help us down here to defeat them then we can deal with the Amarran home systems later...one step at a time Your opinions of Rodj Blake's character aside (on which we are going to agree to disagree) you will see from our public combat records that we are engaged against the CVA and their vassals in lower domain and Providence at the moment and are contesting the entire Amarrian bloc night after night. Still that said, I personally wish you and your organisation the best of luck against the CVA/IAC/Slyph fleets and fortune willing we'll both enjoy our fill of slaughtered CVA fleet assets in the months to come. Star Fraction is recruiting
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.18 15:59:00 - [347] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Judging on your own participation in the war you declared on the Star Fraction you'd pardon me for dismissing your personal witness account of matters in space entirely. Since you spent the majority of the VV vs SF docked I think you are only a credible witness for counting similar dockees and as such entirely prove my point. You seem to have some hidden fascination with that 'you are all docked! Docked! Docked I tell you!' thing. As a matter of fact I was just active away from Amarr. And as you never left your trench in Amarr (you don't dock up - you spend 'hours at your leisure', I know) we must thus have sadly missed each other most of the time. You should really work on your problem with having to be the center of the universe. The fact remains that I fly with lots of PIE pilots on a daily basis. It is not our fault that you apparently don't dare to operate in that area but are content with camping Kheram and shooting the neutrals you actually don't shoot at nowadays. Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 16:20:00 - [348] Originally by: Tharrn Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Judging on your own participation in the war you declared on the Star Fraction you'd pardon me for dismissing your personal witness account of matters in space entirely. Since you spent the majority of the VV vs SF docked I think you are only a credible witness for counting similar dockees and as such entirely prove my point. You seem to have some hidden fascination with that 'you are all docked! Docked! Docked I tell you!' thing. As a matter of fact I was just active away from Amarr. And as you never left your trench in Amarr (you don't dock up - you spend 'hours at your leisure', I know) we must thus have sadly missed each other most of the time. You should really work on your problem with having to be the center of the universe. The fact remains that I fly with lots of PIE pilots on a daily basis. It is not our fault that you apparently don't dare to operate in that area but are content with camping Kheram and shooting the neutrals you actually don't shoot at nowadays. Just in case you weren't aware, Vigilia Valeria declared war on us (albeit briefly).
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 16:23:00 - [349] Now, Mr Schroedinger, I think it is safe to assume that we all know the name of the despicable person I was referring to in my post above. Without ever mentioning her name that is. Read this post, asking yourself how you would react to anyone posting this way about you. Originally by: Jasmine Constantine The war diaries are all based on what is actually happening in space. In six weeks no Amarrian bloc pilot has been able to dispute a single claimed kill or accuse me of neglecting to mention one of our defeats. What enrages you most Octavinus is that I am writing the simple truth about this campaign and yes, I am shattering many illusions and myths that surrounded the PIE name before we came to fight you. People used to believe in the "golden fleet". People used to believe that PIE had military forces worth a damn. People used to believe that PIE could actually do something in space. Those illusions are falling by the wayside now and you have nobody to blame for this but yourself. And as to your question in the opening paragraph I quote its null. Null because Star Fraction is an organisation with self respect and courage and we'd disband and go our separate ways before behaving as you have in this war. IF we were an organisation of dockmonkeys and cowards too terrified to contest the campaign in space we wouldn't have the bare-faced gall to keep posting on galnet and trying to argue against the people who have clearly proved to be our betters in space. But of course we beat you. The onus is on you to have some humility and admit defeat. That you cannot do - hence the bad tempered trolling that attends each war diary and subsequent nail in the coffin of your reputation. You are doing this to yourselves. What we are dealing with here is this: A person who has publicly stated her purpose is to smear the reputation of PIE - not to fight us or anything else. A person who will present her own views as the unquestionable truth (The war diaries are all based on what is actually happening in space...). A person who will deliberately misinterpret a message if it is not to her liking (my objections were always to the tone in those diaries, never the kill/losses - I feel those are irrelevant and Little Jasmine knows this). A person who speaks of that which she knows absolutely nothing about (what enrages you most Octavinus....). A person who will tell factual lies without a blink (Rodj sending fighters from the protection of a POS, PIE being unable to field more than 3 pilots per day etc, etc, etc). A person who will throw wild accusations against anyone anytime (just read the post quoted: Dockmonkeys, cowards, implying we have neither self-respect or courage). A person who will deny facts if they are not to her liking (Brother Joshua clone jumped from a spaceship in space, he never had any passengers, he never arrived at Kor-Azor etc). And the list goes on and on and on and...... I am sure that if you think of this for just a little while Mr Schroedinger, you'll certainly see my position in this vendetta of smack. I'm not asking that you make any public statements on this topic - merely that you ask yourself if you can agree that there is some reasoning behind my thinking. You don't even have to agree with it, all that I ask is that you try to understand it. My one true regret is this: As people react based on their perceptions of events and behaviour and as SF is perceived to be a united entity, the behaviour of Little Jasmine Constantine will "rubb off" on other pilots of your organisation. Thus I fear people such as yourself, Mr Cosmopolite and Razor Jaxx (and many others) will find it hard to come by the respect that you undoubtedly deserve. That makes me sad. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 16:42:00 - [350] Edited by: Merdaneth on 18/05/2007 16:41:44 Brother Augustus, Your intentions are noble, your words are wise, your demeanor just, your patience long. My respect for you has grown. I think that those able and willing to comprehend your message have done so. As for that are unwilling, I think only thing we can really do for them is to pray for the salvation of their immortal souls. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery

Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 16:55:00 - [351] Originally by: Tharrn It is not our fault that you apparently don't dare to operate in that area but are content with camping Kheram and shooting the neutrals you actually don't shoot at nowadays. Which neutrals are you claiming have we shot? Proof please or be revealed as a liar (again). Star Fraction is recruiting
Bacchanalian Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 17:41:00 - [352] Originally by: Tharrn Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Judging on your own participation in the war you declared on the Star Fraction you'd pardon me for dismissing your personal witness account of matters in space entirely. Since you spent the majority of the VV vs SF docked I think you are only a credible witness for counting similar dockees and as such entirely prove my point. You seem to have some hidden fascination with that 'you are all docked! Docked! Docked I tell you!' thing. As a matter of fact I was just active away from Amarr. And as you never left your trench in Amarr (you don't dock up - you spend 'hours at your leisure', I know) we must thus have sadly missed each other most of the time. You should really work on your problem with having to be the center of the universe. The fact remains that I fly with lots of PIE pilots on a daily basis. It is not our fault that you apparently don't dare to operate in that area but are content with camping Kheram and shooting the neutrals you actually don't shoot at nowadays. I recall your "participation" quite well from the time I spent camping your system while you fled about from safespot to safespot in an interceptor. Star Fraction is recruiting, join the revolution!
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.19 11:16:00 - [353] Originally by: Bacchanalian I recall your "participation" quite well from the time I spent camping your system while you fled about from safespot to safespot in an interceptor. You should make your lies less obvious - it must have been a year since I flew an Interceptor. Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.19 11:19:00 - [354] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Which neutrals are you claiming have we shot? Proof please or be revealed as a liar (again). If you ask allies and enemies alike you'll find that one of us has a reputation of being straightforward but honest and one has a four year record of lieing, spinning and backstabbing friends. I am sure you can't (or don't want) to figure out who's who. Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Razor Jaxx Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 11:49:00 - [355] Originally by: Tharrn Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Which neutrals are you claiming have we shot? Proof please or be revealed as a liar (again). If you ask allies and enemies alike you'll find that one of us has a reputation of being straightforward but honest and one has a four year record of lieing, spinning and backstabbing friends. I am sure you can't (or don't want) to figure out who's who. Nice way to side-step the question. Please pray tell, who are these neutrals you claim we have shot?
Razor Jaxx Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 12:45:00 - [356] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus ... I am sure that if you think of this for just a little while Mr Schroedinger, you'll certainly see my position in this vendetta of smack. I'm not asking that you make any public statements on this topic - merely that you ask yourself if you can agree that there is some reasoning behind my thinking. You don't even have to agree with it, all that I ask is that you try to understand it. My one true regret is this: As people react based on their perceptions of events and behaviour and as SF is perceived to be a united entity, the behaviour of Little Jasmine Constantine will "rubb off" on other pilots of your organisation. Thus I fear people such as yourself, Mr Cosmopolite and Razor Jaxx (and many others) will find it hard to come by the respect that you undoubtedly deserve. That makes me sad. Let there be no misunderstanding here, Mr Augustus - I fully stand by Ms Constantine in this debate. While we are encouraged to formulate and express personal opinions, SF is and remains a united entity, as we demonstrate in space, again and again and again. Space is the only place where we seek and earn our 'respect' (OOC : I actually have little to no use for respect in a game, but that is another subject entirely). Jasmine makes some very solid points in her post. Mostly she reiterates the disappointment I've myself expressed earlier. It is certainly your right to choose not to fight us. We gave you an opportunity to dispatch us in space, and you chose not to seize it, but whatever your reasons were, they were your reasons, not ours, so you shouldn't expect sympathy or acknowledgment from us. As Jasmine said, we would either rise to the challenge or admit defeat. Make no mistake either, given the opportunity, we would rather humiliate PIE in space than on GalNet - nothing pejorative here, read humiliation as in 'to make one humble'. This shouldn't come as a surprise considering the unequivocal arrogance displayed by some of your brethren. Certainly we display arrogance of our own, by the way, and you are very welcome to come teach us a bit of humility in space. As for the war diaries, they are an accurate description of the conflict from SF's perspective. We have not tried to obfuscate engagements that did not go our way. We have relied on accurate statistical evidence at all times. Certainly some parts of the diaries must be an unpleasant read from your perspective, but consider that it is your inaction that allowed us to report things this way. We give credit where credit is due. Aegis Militia, for instance, which did not shy from engagements, is consistently treated with all the 'respect' they deserve, and rightly so. Such is also the case for Captain Mort. To sum it all up, we do not have to worry about this 'vendetta of smack' being posted about us, because we would have settled things in space, where they belong. Again I have to agree with Jasmine, you are doing this to yourselves.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.19 13:01:00 - [357] We are simply here to serve God and Empire as we have done for over four years. We are happy to let history decide our place in it and we are grateful for the many messages of support received via private communications in relation to this smear campaign from even people who consider us mortal enemies in space. I know I've appreciated the comments and messages and have had a few good laughs. While for PIE it has been "business as usual" during this war people have seen for the Star Fraction it's also been "business as usual" as they've conducted themselves as the have since their inception and thus have only reinforced their reuptation.... and no one is really surprised. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 13:14:00 - [358] Originally by: Tharrn Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Which neutrals are you claiming have we shot? Proof please or be revealed as a liar (again). If you ask allies and enemies alike you'll find that one of us has a reputation of being straightforward but honest and one has a four year record of lieing, spinning and backstabbing friends. I am sure you can't (or don't want) to figure out who's who. Your reputation is absolutely terrible Tharrn. You are a proven coward and galnet liar. You come here with ridiculous accusations that you cannot support with documentary evidence and a war record comprising utter defeat and expect to be taken seriously? This is bathos in its purest form. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 13:15:00 - [359] Originally by: Archbishop ... we are grateful for the many messages of support received via private communications in relation to this smear campaign from even people who consider us mortal enemies in space. I know I've appreciated the comments and messages and have had a few good laughs. Comedy gold! Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.19 16:06:00 - [360] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Tharrn It is not our fault that you apparently don't dare to operate in that area but are content with camping Kheram and shooting the neutrals you actually don't shoot at nowadays. Which neutrals are you claiming have we shot? Proof please or be revealed as a liar (again). If we're talking about people being revealed as liars, what about your claim regarding the deployment style of PIE fighters later shown to be impossible, and what about your claim regarding PIE struggling to find more than three active members at a time? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.



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