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CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2007.05.15 17:50:00 - [91] Originally by: Tareen Kashaar maybe we should ask someone with actual authority instead. These guys certainly don't have any of that. those two Emperor's have joined God in His holy kingdom. however Deacon Lorenzo Azir might be reachable. Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 18:02:00 - [92] Originally by: Reash Rodj's whole point appears to be just that! It is not his place to say, so instead he gave actions PIE had been involved with and left the decision to the outsiders. Glad to see you at least partially understand. Maybe you can answer the question Reash. Is CVA Relevant to the Amarrian empire, yes or no? Star Fraction is recruiting
Cassandra Bontecou Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 18:25:00 - [93] Edited by: Cassandra Bontecou on 15/05/2007 18:24:07 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Is CVA Relevant to the Amarrian empire, yes or no? Our's is not too ask, merely to serve.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 18:33:00 - [94] Originally by: Cassandra Bontecou Our's is not too ask, merely to serve. So who asked you to go to providence? Star Fraction is recruiting
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 18:47:00 - [95] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Cassandra Bontecou Our's is not too ask, merely to serve. So who asked you to go to providence? Are you intentionally missing the point? CVA are in providence of its own free will, our goals are to expand Amarr influence into the region, however, we are not the Amarr empire...so i shall suggest what has already been suggested again in the hope you may get the point. Perhaps you are asking the wrong people? ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 18:52:00 - [96] Originally by: Reash Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Cassandra Bontecou Our's is not too ask, merely to serve. So who asked you to go to providence? Are you intentionally missing the point? CVA are in providence of its own free will, our goals are to expand Amarr influence into the region, however, we are not the Amarr empire...so i shall suggest what has already been suggested again in the hope you may get the point. Perhaps you are asking the wrong people? Well one of you says "Our's is not too ask, merely to serve." while the other says "CVA are in providence of its own free will" which is true? Star Fraction is recruiting
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 19:00:00 - [97] Edited by: Reash on 15/05/2007 18:58:38 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Reash Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Cassandra Bontecou Our's is not too ask, merely to serve. So who asked you to go to providence? Are you intentionally missing the point? CVA are in providence of its own free will, our goals are to expand Amarr influence into the region, however, we are not the Amarr empire...so i shall suggest what has already been suggested again in the hope you may get the point. Perhaps you are asking the wrong people? Well one of you says "Our's is not too ask, merely to serve." while the other says "CVA are in providence of its own free will" which is true? I cannot speak of his exact meaning but i could give a few examples. Perhaps he is speaking of himself personally serving as he is told by CVA leadership. (in this example) Perhaps he is speaking of serving the empire to the best of his ability under the guidlines set by the empire. (the meaning of not ask questions here meaning it is not our place but to do what we can under the guidelines, and of course assist with any specific requests) I do not see the problem with either statment? Neither insists that we were told to go to providence. However i agree alone the one statment could have been misleading. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Cassandra Bontecou Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 19:00:00 - [98] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Reash Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Cassandra Bontecou Our's is not too ask, merely to serve. So who asked you to go to providence? Are you intentionally missing the point? CVA are in providence of its own free will, our goals are to expand Amarr influence into the region, however, we are not the Amarr empire...so i shall suggest what has already been suggested again in the hope you may get the point. Perhaps you are asking the wrong people? Well one of you says "Our's is not too ask, merely to serve." while the other says "CVA are in providence of its own free will" which is true? How are those different?
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 19:08:00 - [99] Originally by: Cassandra Bontecou How are those different? Well one suggests you serve at the pleasure of the Amarrian Empire and they tell you what to do. The other suggests they don't care about you and you do whatever you choose to do. Hence it all comes back to my core and (yet unanswered) question. Are you Amarrian nationalists relevant to the Amarrian Empire ... Yes or No? Star Fraction is recruiting
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 19:34:00 - [100] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 15/05/2007 19:32:48 How utterly predictable. SF proves once again that they think that they are the only entity of any importance in the cosmos. If you want a fight so badly, I suggest you come to where the important fight of the day actually is. PIE has never claimed territory precicely so that it can be where that fight is, not sitting in Amarr to fight you. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'

Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.15 19:44:00 - [101] Jasmine, perhaps I can clarify the issue. Before my joining Bloodveil, I too followed the ways of the nationalists. According to the indoctrination that we all received as children, it was our pleasure, to serve the Empire which was also to serve God. Of course now that I know there really is no God this is a non-issue in regards to me. Additionally, the Empire is also renowned for its policy of manifest destiny in regards for the rest of the galaxy. This is in turn is passed down through the ritualized brainwashing of the masses. The Amarr serve the Empire, in turn the Empire serves God. And God wants to oppress the rest of the galaxy. Are they relevant to the Empire? The answer is they think they are even though they really can't admit just in case they get struck by lightning or something. Again I point out that there is no God. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 19:47:00 - [102] Quote: Jasmine, perhaps I can clarify the issue. Before my joining Bloodveil, I too followed the ways of the nationalists. Revan's catspaw never fails to deliver on amusing lies. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Kovid Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 19:57:00 - [103] Originally by: Casserina Leshrac Are they relevant to the Empire? The answer is they think they are even though they really can't admit just in case they get struck by lightning or something. Again I point out that there is no God. If that is the case it follows the line of thinking towards god. Before a battle, or self important, mindclash match, or even less important event, a religious person would pray he would be victorious over his foes whether they believed in the same god or not. Essentially asking for favoritism from the higher power and diminishing the role they played in the actual event. The point being their role is of a puppet. For if win it was proof of faith and god loves them. For if they loose it was one of many responses: "a test of faith" "meant to be" "god has a plan for all of us" ---------------------------------- An informal Star Fraction FAQ \| ----------------------------------
Cassandra Bontecou Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 20:06:00 - [104] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Cassandra Bontecou How are those different? Well one suggests you serve at the pleasure of the Amarrian Empire and they tell you what to do. The other suggests they don't care about you and you do whatever you choose to do. Hence it all comes back to my core and (yet unanswered) question. Are you Amarrian nationalists relevant to the Amarrian Empire ... Yes or No? Hmmm.... Well I'm merely a heathen-born Defender of the Faith, so I'm certain Lord Reash would know better then I. But it seems rather simple. CVA created Operation Deliverance inside Providence as a means of bringing Amarrian Law (and more importantly our one true Faith) to a lawlessness, ignorant, morally bankrupt, backwater little corner of space. Does that mean that the great houses of Amarr read of our victories here in Providence and cheer? Or that they brood on our set backs? I certainly wouldn't deign to say. However I know the multitudes of Amarrian civilians in lower Domain and Providence cheer and brood with us. I know the local magistrates, merchants, and lords give thanks daily for the safety and security we in CVA provide them. What does that all mean in regards to your glib question about our relevance to the Empire? We [CVA] came to Deliverance to settle it using the Empires precepts to guide us; Faith, Prosperity, Stability, and Security. And as Lord Reash has said we did this of our own free will. Thusly wWith every success we expand the Empirical sphere of influence, and so we serve. The war rolls on
MirrorGod	Posted - 2007.05.15 20:11:00 - [105] Originally by: Casserina Leshrac The Amarr serve the Empire, in turn the Empire serves God. And God wants to oppress the rest of the galaxy. To simplify, the loyalist are slaves to that which doesn't exist, blind fools to the service power hungry priests and politicians who are quite happy to elevate themselves and fatten their wallets through the means of "God". Are they relevant to the Empire? Perhaps...is the Empire relevant? No. snip your sig is too large. Maximum sig size is 24,000 bytes, your current sig is 40,174 bytes - Karass Sayfo
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 20:36:00 - [106] Originally by: Casserina Leshrac Again I point out that there is no God. And it seems like it was only last week that you said that there was a God. Oh wait, it was only last week. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.15 20:59:00 - [107] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Casserina Leshrac Again I point out that there is no God. And it seems like it was only last week that you said that there was a God. Oh wait, it was only last week. But you still haven't answered Jasmine's question. Is PIE relevant to the the Empire? Remember all you have to say is "yes" or "no". Let's us stay on this topic, shall we? Inquiring minds would like know. And no more wiggling please. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 21:10:00 - [108] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 21:11:16 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 21:08:34 Originally by: Casserina Leshrac But you still haven't answered Jasmine's question. Is PIE relevant to the the Empire? Remember all you have to say is "yes" or "no". Let's us stay on this topic, shall we? Inquiring minds would like know. And no more wiggling please. Nicely evaded there. I expected nothing less from you. Actually, the topic under discussion is the events of the last couple of weeks rather than the more general "issue" of PIE's relevance. So yes, let's all stay on topic. Oh, and by the way, I have already answered the question as effectively as possible given that I do not directly speak on behalf of the Empire. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 21:19:00 - [109] Originally by: Rodj Blake Oh, and by the way, I have already answered the question as effectively as possible given that I do not directly speak on behalf of the Empire. So you are incapable of answering a simple YES/NO question then about whether PIE is relevant to the empire? Is it because you don't know? Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 21:25:00 - [110] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 21:24:23 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 21:23:17 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Oh, and by the way, I have already answered the question as effectively as possible given that I do not directly speak on behalf of the Empire. So you are incapable of answering a simple YES/NO question then about whether PIE is relevant to the empire? Is it because you don't know? You're asking whether or not PIE is relevant to the Empire. The only organisation which can give the definitive answer to that question is the Empire. It's like me asking you "Is Jasmine important to The Cosmopolite - yes or no?" Now, you could give a yes/no answer, but the only person who can really say whether or not you are important to The Cosmopolite is The Cosmopolite himself. You could ask me "Is the Empire relevant to PIE - yes or no?", and I could give you a one word definitive answer without any difficulty whatsoever. But you'll have to ask a duly appointed official of the Empire for the definitive answer on whether or not we're relevant to them. This is why there were comments from imperial officials linked in my earlier response to your question. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.

Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 21:39:00 - [111] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 21:24:23 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 21:23:17 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Oh, and by the way, I have already answered the question as effectively as possible given that I do not directly speak on behalf of the Empire. So you are incapable of answering a simple YES/NO question then about whether PIE is relevant to the empire? Is it because you don't know? You're asking whether or not PIE is relevant to the Empire. The only organisation which can give the definitive answer to that question is the Empire. It's like me asking you "Is Jasmine important to The Cosmopolite - yes or no?" Now, you could give a yes/no answer, but the only person who can really say whether or not you are important to The Cosmopolite is The Cosmopolite himself. You could ask me "Is the Empire relevant to PIE - yes or no?", and I could give you a one word definitive answer without any difficulty whatsoever. But you'll have to ask a duly appointed official of the Empire for the definitive answer on whether or not we're relevant to them. This is why there were comments from imperial officials linked in my earlier response to your question. So are you saying you don't know? Star Fraction is recruiting
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 21:43:00 - [112] So are you saying that you are incapable of reading? Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 21:45:00 - [113] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri So are you saying that you are incapable of reading? I am quite capable of reading. The problem is you seem incapable of answering a simple question. Now, we've heard hundreds of times that PIE people are prepared to say that Star Fraction is not relevant to the empire. You seemed very happy to speak on behalf of the Empire officials then. But now I am asking you if PIE Inc. is relevant to the Empire suddenly you clam up and can't answer. I wonder why that is? Star Fraction is recruiting
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.15 21:46:00 - [114] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 21:24:23 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 21:23:17 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Oh, and by the way, I have already answered the question as effectively as possible given that I do not directly speak on behalf of the Empire. So you are incapable of answering a simple YES/NO question then about whether PIE is relevant to the empire? Is it because you don't know? No but your motto does "For God and Empire". I submit, that you believe that you are relevant. Therefore your answer would be "yes" whether or not you care to admit it. You're asking whether or not PIE is relevant to the Empire. The only organisation which can give the definitive answer to that question is the Empire. It's like me asking you "Is Jasmine important to The Cosmopolite - yes or no?" Now, you could give a yes/no answer, but the only person who can really say whether or not you are important to The Cosmopolite is The Cosmopolite himself. You could ask me "Is the Empire relevant to PIE - yes or no?", and I could give you a one word definitive answer without any difficulty whatsoever. But you'll have to ask a duly appointed official of the Empire for the definitive answer on whether or not we're relevant to them. This is why there were comments from imperial officials linked in my earlier response to your question. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 21:46:00 - [115] So you are saying that you are incapable of reading an answer when it was given? Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 21:53:00 - [116] Originally by: Rodj Blake Of course, a lot of the issue revolves around precisely how one defines relevance - as per my previous comments relevance is an on/off thing, there's a continuum of relevance. Stop wriggling Rodj. Just give me a YES or NO answer or just quit it or go away. Is PIE Inc (the self styled "defenders of the Empire" relevant to the Amarr Empire? Yes or No. Star Fraction is recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 21:55:00 - [117] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 21:57:21 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2007 21:54:12 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Because you have been answered many times, just not in the format you wished. I can answer, without a doubt, that PIE has done more good for the Empire than SF has done it harm. But thats not hard, as the amount of harm SF has done is exceeded by your average pirate in providence. So you think that PIE is relevant to the empire then ? YES or NO ? (My bold for emphasis) Now that you've tacitly accepted that your question has been answered by asking a slightly different question, perhaps you would care to answer my earlier question and verifiably list for us the successes of Jericho Fraction so that sensible people may judge your relevance? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 21:56:00 - [118] Why should I, for it is so much more amusing to make you actually have to think through the real explanation already given to you rather than a simple true false question. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.15 22:02:00 - [119] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Why should I, for it is so much more amusing to make you actually have to think through the real explanation already given to you rather than a simple true false question. Actually I am finding you and Rodj extremely entertaining as well. The both of you dodging a simple answer to a simple question. You both know the answer and yet you don't. I guess it's time to get the popcorn Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 22:07:00 - [120] Originally by: Casserina Leshrac Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Why should I, for it is so much more amusing to make you actually have to think through the real explanation already given to you rather than a simple true false question. Actually I am finding you and Rodj extremely entertaining as well. The both of you dodging a simple answer to a simple question. You both know the answer and yet you don't. I guess it's time to get the popcorn Answer here, clarification here. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.



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